From anthony.hirst at btinternet.com  Mon Dec 11 01:17:15 2017
From: anthony.hirst at btinternet.com (Anthony Hirst)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:17:15 +0000
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 123, Issue 2
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On 10 Dec 2017, at 20:00, ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca wrote:

>  1. Alexandria Quartet (iefseymour at aol.com)

I have already sent Ian Seymour the information he wanted, but record it here for anyone interested. What he was looking for was, I think, the saying Balthazar quotes to Darley on his brief visit to the island while they are looking at Melissa and Nessim's child:  "First the young, like vines, climb up the dull supports of their elders who feel their fingers on them, soft and tender; then the old climb down the lovely supporting bodies of the young into their proper deaths." (Balthazar, 1st edition, page 20; 2nd edition, page 17; The Alexandria Quartet, one-volume edition, page 214 --- not sure if these numbers are the same in the principal US editions)

It is introduced by "And he quoted in Greek...". Does any one know the source that Balthazar is quoting? Greek proverb? Something from an Ancient Greek text? Or invented by LD?

Anthony Hirst
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From iefseymour at aol.com  Tue Dec 12 04:37:23 2017
From: iefseymour at aol.com (iefseymour at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:37:23 -0500
Subject: [ilds] Alexandria Quartet
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Dear Charles
Thank you so much for your help.
Exactly the one I recall.
Ian

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On Monday, 11 December, 2017 Charles Sligh <cls9k at virginia.edu> wrote:

Dear Ian:


I believe that you are in search of the following quotation:


?First the young, like vines, climb up the dull supports of their elders who feel their fingers on them, soft and tender; then the old climb down the lovely supporting bodies of the young into their proper deaths.?


Balthazar, I.i


May peace be with you and yours --?


Charles


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Charles L. Sligh

charles.sligh at virginia.edu

Assistant Professor, General Faculty

Department of English

University of Virginia

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:23 AM, <iefseymour at aol.com> wrote:

Hello, I am hoping someone may be able to help. Back in the 1960's I read the book at college and a section stuck in my mind. It described creepers growing up old structures and supporting them as a metaphor for the newer generations supporting their elders. Can some one Tell me where to find the passage? 

I would like to use it in a funeral oration, my own sadly, to encourage my children to support and help their mother (and others).

Thanks for your help.

Ian Seymour, Northern Ireland

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