[ilds] Durrell and the Nobel

Richard Pine pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com
Tue Nov 1 12:42:58 PDT 2016


One could argue that the Swedes adjudicate on the writer of other countries
because..... but that would be unfair, wouldn't it? But one *could* say it,
couldn't one? They might also adjudicate on a prize for Music Composition
for the same reason...

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Yes, “political correctness” at its worst.  The Nobel Prize for Literature
> is for literature, not song writers, no matter how in tuned to the
> *Zeitgeist*.  Assuming the Committee was focusing on America and Canada,
> those other rejected North Americans, who are true writers and poets,
> include:  Thomas Pynchon, Philip Roth, Cormac McCarthy, and Anne Carson.
> Does Dylan equal any of those?  I hardly think so.
>
> Bruce
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The choices each year of the Nobel prize winners - at least in the
> Literature and Peace categories - are determined by political correctness.
> In the case of Dylan, this is stretching a point. Those of us old enough to
> remember the impact of Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Joan Baez and others in the
> 1960s will acknowledge that, culturally, they turned our minds to issues in
> an immediately accessible way that books might not have done. But looking
> at the TEXTS of Dylan's lyrics, they do not, divorced from the music,
> amount to a body of literature. It is this point, rather than Dylan's
> iconic cultural status, that excites frustration, dismay and anger.
> Undoubtedly Dylan deserves the highest praise, but is the new direction in
> which the Nobel committee is pointing the correct path along which such an
> award should be considered? Maybe there should be a prize equivalent to the
> Nobel awards, for such people. Dylan succeeded, where recipients of the
> Peace Prize have been shown subsequently to be lamentable failures
> (Northern Ireland TWICE). The islanders of Lesvos were among the nominees
> for this year's Peace Prize, yet what have these elderly folk done for
> peace, other than give shelter to desperate refugees? That hardly amounts
> to any claim towards, or ambition for, world peace. Just a humanitarian
> gesture from the heart.
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I think the Nobel Committee, by virtue of those it has rejected as worthy
>> of the prize, has completely disqualified itself as capable of identifying
>> literary merit.  Its selection of Bob Dylan only confirms my opinion.
>>
>> Bruce
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>> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 10:59 AM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > With the recent discussion around Dylan, I thought these prior comments
>> on Durrell and the Nobel might be of interest:
>> >
>> > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jan/03/swedish-academ
>> y-controversy-steinbeck-nobel
>> >
>> > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jan/05/jrr-tolkien-nobel-prize
>> >
>> > James Clawson will present some detailed quantitative data on the Nobel
>> committee in Louisville this Spring, but in the meantime it's helpful to
>> see what kept the prize out of Old D's reach in 1961 & '62.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > James
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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