From durrelllibrarycorfu at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 05:22:37 2016 From: durrelllibrarycorfu at gmail.com (Richard Pine) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:22:37 +0300 Subject: [ilds] Query Message-ID: Does anyone know about this alleged publication? The alleged author, "Elizabeth Dummel" is apparently the author of over 900 books, and the publisher, "Webster;'s Digital Services" seems to be an offshore company. The supplier, "Riachristiecollections" is the purveyor of mild-core porn. Any comments? [image: The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence: Dummel, Elizabeth] Stock Image The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence Durrell, Including his Education, an Analysis of his Best Sellers such as Pied Piper of Lovers, Panic Spring, and more *Dummel, Elizabeth* Published by Webster's Digital Services (2016) ISBN 10: 1286812275 ISBN 13: 9781286812273 *New* *Paperback* Quantity Available: 1 From: Ria Christie Collections (Uxbridge, United Kingdom) Bookseller Rating: [image: 5-star rating] Print on Demand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billyapt at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 07:54:50 2016 From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:54:50 -0500 Subject: [ilds] Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm suspicious of a purported author the focus of whose scholarship has heretofore been comic book heroes. WILLIAM APT Attorney at Law 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401 Austin TX 78701 512/708-8300 512/708-8011 FAX > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > > Does anyone know about this alleged publication? > The alleged author, "Elizabeth Dummel" is apparently the author of over 900 books, and the publisher, "Webster;'s Digital Services" seems to be an offshore company. The supplier, "Riachristiecollections" is the purveyor of mild-core porn. > Any comments? > > Stock Image > The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence Durrell, Including his Education, an Analysis of his Best Sellers such as Pied Piper of Lovers, Panic Spring, and more > > Dummel, Elizabeth > Published by Webster's Digital Services (2016) > ISBN 10: 1286812275 ISBN 13: 9781286812273 > New Paperback > Quantity Available: 1 > From: Ria Christie Collections (Uxbridge, United Kingdom) > Bookseller Rating: > Print on Demand > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 08:28:46 2016 From: pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com (Richard Pine) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:28:46 +0300 Subject: [ilds] Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The same title is also advertised elsewhere as authored by 1) Eric Sanders and 2) Gaby Alez. Nice work if you can get it. RP On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 5:54 PM, William Apt wrote: > I'm suspicious of a purported author the focus of whose scholarship has > heretofore been comic book heroes. > > WILLIAM APT > Attorney at Law > 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401 > Austin TX 78701 > 512/708-8300 > 512/708-8011 FAX > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Richard Pine > wrote: > > Does anyone know about this alleged publication? > The alleged author, "Elizabeth Dummel" is apparently the author of over > 900 books, and the publisher, "Webster;'s Digital Services" seems to be an > offshore company. The supplier, "Riachristiecollections" is the purveyor of > mild-core porn. > Any comments? > [image: The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence: Dummel, > Elizabeth] > > Stock Image > The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence Durrell, Including his > Education, an Analysis of his Best Sellers such as Pied Piper of Lovers, > Panic Spring, and more > > > *Dummel, Elizabeth* > > Published by Webster's Digital Services (2016) > > ISBN 10: 1286812275 > ISBN 13: > 9781286812273 > > > *New* *Paperback* > > Quantity Available: 1 > > From: Ria Christie Collections > > (Uxbridge, United Kingdom) > > Bookseller Rating: [image: 5-star rating] > Print on Demand > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 11 08:58:58 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:58:58 -0700 Subject: [ilds] E. D. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09C8E8C8-9F7B-47A2-9815-38048F9859C3@earthlink.net> Maybe Count D. is up to some mischief. Bruce > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:54 AM, William Apt wrote: > > I'm suspicious of a purported author the focus of whose scholarship has heretofore been comic book heroes. > > WILLIAM APT > Attorney at Law > 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401 > Austin TX 78701 > 512/708-8300 > 512/708-8011 FAX > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Richard Pine > wrote: > >> Does anyone know about this alleged publication? >> The alleged author, "Elizabeth Dummel" is apparently the author of over 900 books, and the publisher, "Webster;'s Digital Services" seems to be an offshore company. The supplier, "Riachristiecollections" is the purveyor of mild-core porn. >> Any comments? >> >> Stock Image >> The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence Durrell, Including his Education, an Analysis of his Best Sellers such as Pied Piper of Lovers, Panic Spring, and more >> Dummel, Elizabeth >> Published by Webster's Digital Services (2016) >> ISBN 10: 1286812275 ISBN 13: 9781286812273 >> New Paperback >> Quantity Available: 1 >> From: Ria Christie Collections (Uxbridge, United Kingdom) >> Bookseller Rating: <> <> >> Print on Demand >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 09:06:43 2016 From: pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com (Richard Pine) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:06:43 +0300 Subject: [ilds] E. D. In-Reply-To: <09C8E8C8-9F7B-47A2-9815-38048F9859C3@earthlink.net> References: <09C8E8C8-9F7B-47A2-9815-38048F9859C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I am interested in the idea that, whoever the clever scammer is who promotes this scheme (and apparently the same company pirates material from many sources and reprints it, marketing it to unsuspecting customers) could suggest that "Pied Piper" and "Panic Spring" are bestsellers! What a giveaway! Clearly doesn't know his Avignon from his Alexandria. More's the pity, we cannot discover what immortal truths are peddled in this tome unless we buy the damn thing RP On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Maybe Count D. is up to some mischief. > > Bruce > > > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:54 AM, William Apt wrote: > > I'm suspicious of a purported author the focus of whose scholarship has > heretofore been comic book heroes. > > WILLIAM APT > Attorney at Law > 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401 > Austin TX 78701 > 512/708-8300 > 512/708-8011 FAX > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Richard Pine > wrote: > > Does anyone know about this alleged publication? > The alleged author, "Elizabeth Dummel" is apparently the author of over > 900 books, and the publisher, "Webster;'s Digital Services" seems to be an > offshore company. The supplier, "Riachristiecollections" is the purveyor of > mild-core porn. > Any comments? > [image: The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence: Dummel, > Elizabeth] > > Stock Image > The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence Durrell, Including his > Education, an Analysis of his Best Sellers such as Pied Piper of Lovers, > Panic Spring, and more > > *Dummel, Elizabeth* > Published by Webster's Digital Services (2016) > ISBN 10: 1286812275 > ISBN 13: > 9781286812273 > > *New* *Paperback* > Quantity Available: 1 > > From: Ria Christie Collections > > (Uxbridge, United Kingdom) > > Bookseller Rating: [image: 5-star rating] > Print on Demand > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 11 09:33:01 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:33:01 -0700 Subject: [ilds] E. D. In-Reply-To: References: <09C8E8C8-9F7B-47A2-9815-38048F9859C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Indeed an interesting idea. Perhaps the ?clever scammer? has chosen Pied Piper and Panic Spring because their copyrights have expired (dunno how this applies to Gifford?s editions), thus enabling the reproduction of large chunks of material. Which is not true of the Quartet and the Quintet. This would suggest some knowledge of Durrell and would also suggest that Lawrence Durrell continues to have a market. Bruce > On Oct 11, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > > I am interested in the idea that, whoever the clever scammer is who promotes this scheme (and apparently the same company pirates material from many sources and reprints it, marketing it to unsuspecting customers) could suggest that "Pied Piper" and "Panic Spring" are bestsellers! What a giveaway! Clearly doesn't know his Avignon from his Alexandria. > More's the pity, we cannot discover what immortal truths are peddled in this tome unless we buy the damn thing > RP > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Bruce Redwine > wrote: > Maybe Count D. is up to some mischief. > > Bruce > > > >> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:54 AM, William Apt > wrote: >> >> I'm suspicious of a purported author the focus of whose scholarship has heretofore been comic book heroes. >> >> WILLIAM APT >> Attorney at Law >> 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401 >> Austin TX 78701 >> 512/708-8300 >> 512/708-8011 FAX >> >> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Richard Pine > wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know about this alleged publication? >>> The alleged author, "Elizabeth Dummel" is apparently the author of over 900 books, and the publisher, "Webster;'s Digital Services" seems to be an offshore company. The supplier, "Riachristiecollections" is the purveyor of mild-core porn. >>> Any comments? >>> >>> Stock Image >>> The Essential Writer's Guide: Spotlight on Lawrence Durrell, Including his Education, an Analysis of his Best Sellers such as Pied Piper of Lovers, Panic Spring, and more >>> Dummel, Elizabeth >>> Published by Webster's Digital Services (2016) >>> ISBN 10: 1286812275 ISBN 13: 9781286812273 >>> New Paperback >>> Quantity Available: 1 >>> From: Ria Christie Collections (Uxbridge, United Kingdom) >>> Bookseller Rating: <> <> >>> Print on Demand >>> > > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 17:28:59 2016 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:28:59 -0700 Subject: [ilds] E. D. In-Reply-To: References: <09C8E8C8-9F7B-47A2-9815-38048F9859C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <05c43534-6d09-68a9-71a9-c93a52408494@gmail.com> Hi Bruce, Copyright depends on the country, but such publications are often lifted from Wikipedia (it's self-defined as public domain, so anyone can take from it...). There are also many publishers that prey on the direct to library sales with varying degrees of reliability and quality control (contrast Edwin Mellen against Cambridge Scholars, for instance, or both against any university press). Durrell's /Pied/ and /Panic/ may never have had their copyright renewed in the USA, which could impact copyright there, but most of those loopholes were closed retroactively after being open for many years. Those novels are still under copyright in the UK and Canada as well as most other countries in the world. By way of contrast, for my editions of Hemingway, the 1924 /in our time/ is most likely public domain in the USA not because the estate didn't renew copyright but because they never filed it in the first place (and everything published in his lifetime is public domain in Canada): http://web.uvic.ca/~mvp1922/portfolio-item/in-our-time/ Some Robert Duncan gets caught in the same way, and I believe a US library makes Durrell's /A Key to Modern Poetry/ available under the non-renewal of copyright paradigm (I suspect that's actually not legitimate now). As for markets, Durrell does indeed continue to sell well, but academic studies are typically small markets with print runs of 300 to 1,000. However, for dubious presses that often have no production costs and are print on demand, if you have a few thousand such titles, you only need a handful of sales of each in a year to make a living... That said, even U California P and OUP both use print on demand for their back stock these days (and I'm glad of it!). Like everything, caveat emptor! All best, James On 2016-10-11 9:33 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Indeed an interesting idea. Perhaps the ?clever scammer? has chosen > /Pied Piper/ and /Panic Spring/ because their copyrights have expired > (dunno how this applies to Gifford?s editions), thus enabling the > reproduction of large chunks of material. Which is not true of the > /Quartet/ and the /Quintet./ This would suggest some knowledge of > Durrell and would also suggest that Lawrence Durrell continues to have a > market. > > Bruce From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 12 10:56:11 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 10:56:11 -0700 Subject: [ilds] E. D. In-Reply-To: <05c43534-6d09-68a9-71a9-c93a52408494@gmail.com> References: <09C8E8C8-9F7B-47A2-9815-38048F9859C3@earthlink.net> <05c43534-6d09-68a9-71a9-c93a52408494@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D0B9FF5-93F6-4BCC-8BE2-74E4BA374C58@earthlink.net> James, thanks for the information. My comments below. > On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:28 PM, James Gifford wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > > Copyright depends on the country, but such publications are often lifted from Wikipedia (it's self-defined as public domain, so anyone can take from it...). There are also many publishers that prey on the direct to library sales with varying degrees of reliability and quality control (contrast Edwin Mellen against Cambridge Scholars, for instance, or both against any university press). 1. Edwin Mellen published Michael V. Diboll?s Lawrence Durrell?s Alexandria Quartet in Its Egyptian Contexts (2004). Diboll has many good things to say, but he sorely needed a good editor (too much repetition, typos, errors in citations, etc.). Clearly, EM took his entire MS and simply reproduced it without any editorial work. Cambridge Scholars published Ravi Nambiar?s Indian Metaphysics in Lawrence Durrell?s Novels (2014). I haven?t read the book, but it looks professional?a good job. > > Durrell's /Pied/ and /Panic/ may never have had their copyright renewed in the USA, which could impact copyright there, but most of those loopholes were closed retroactively after being open for many years. Those novels are still under copyright in the UK and Canada as well as most other countries in the world. By way of contrast, for my editions of Hemingway, the 1924 /in our time/ is most likely public domain in the USA not because the estate didn't renew copyright but because they never filed it in the first place (and everything published in his lifetime is public domain in Canada): > > http://web.uvic.ca/~mvp1922/portfolio-item/in-our-time/ 2. I believe the Hemingway estate zealously guards its copyright of EH's books. That must be the reason Hemingway has not appear in the Library of America series, whereas his rival, William Faulkner, has in multi-volumes. > > Some Robert Duncan gets caught in the same way, and I believe a US library makes Durrell?s /A Key to Modern Poetry/ available under the non-renewal of copyright paradigm (I suspect that?s actually not legitimate now). 3. My 1952 edition of Durrell?s Key is published by the U of Oklahoma P, a very reputable press, which has a good list of classical treatises. > > As for markets, Durrell does indeed continue to sell well, but academic studies are typically small markets with print runs of 300 to 1,000. However, for dubious presses that often have no production costs and are print on demand, if you have a few thousand such titles, you only need a handful of sales of each in a year to make a living... That said, even U California P and OUP both use print on demand for their back stock these days (and I'm glad of it!). Like everything, caveat emptor! > > All best, > James 4. I wonder about Durrell?s sales. I rarely see him on the shelves of book stores in California. Every time I mention his name, I have to provide a short biography and note his passing fame. Ars longa, vita brevis?not necessarily. > > On 2016-10-11 9:33 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >> Indeed an interesting idea. Perhaps the ?clever scammer? has chosen >> /Pied Piper/ and /Panic Spring/ because their copyrights have expired >> (dunno how this applies to Gifford?s editions), thus enabling the >> reproduction of large chunks of material. Which is not true of the >> /Quartet/ and the /Quintet./ This would suggest some knowledge of >> Durrell and would also suggest that Lawrence Durrell continues to have a >> market. >> >> Bruce > _ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, James On 2016-10-13 11:05 AM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > I don?t have a problem with that even though some of the lyrics were > doggerel. There is a huge body of work and it contributed to the spirit > of the age. But Larry probably deserved it too for his own breadth and > the sublimity of his best writing. > > Cheers - Ken > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 13 11:20:13 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 11:20:13 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Nobel Prize Message-ID: <7D48DB87-A97F-4414-812B-896B9A51D0DC@earthlink.net> Bob Dylan has won the Nobel Prize for literature. Not wanting to disparage my fellow American, but one has to wonder what the criteria are for this prize. Dylan?s oeuvre, while influential as a song writer and lyricist, is meager, perhaps a slender volume of poetry. I guess awarding him a prize shows how the Nobel Academy has turned to the cultural studies movement, where literature becomes defined beyond recognition. Christopher Ricks, a highly respected critic, values Dylan?s poetry (Dylan?s Vision of Sin [2005]). Does it, however, warrant such a prestigious award? Writers and poets like Marcel Proust, James Joyce, and Jorge Luis Borges were ignored by this academy. Lawrence Durrell also falls into this group, this unique Salon des Refus?s. These writers, in my opinion, all had a major and substantial body of work which certainly deserves classification as ?literature.? I can?t say the same for Bob Dylan. Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 11:55:10 2016 From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 11:55:10 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Nobel Prize In-Reply-To: <7D48DB87-A97F-4414-812B-896B9A51D0DC@earthlink.net> References: <7D48DB87-A97F-4414-812B-896B9A51D0DC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bruce, they couldn't give the Nobel Prize for his voice so it had to be the lyrics. De Gustibus - Ken On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Bob Dylan has won the Nobel Prize for literature. Not wanting to > disparage my fellow American, but one has to wonder what the criteria are > for this prize. Dylan?s oeuvre, while influential as a song writer and > lyricist, is meager, perhaps a slender volume of poetry. I guess awarding > him a prize shows how the Nobel Academy has turned to the cultural studies > movement, where literature becomes defined beyond recognition. Christopher > Ricks, a highly respected critic, values Dylan?s poetry (*Dylan?s Vision > of Sin* [2005]). Does it, however, warrant such a prestigious award? > Writers and poets like Marcel Proust, James Joyce, and Jorge Luis Borges > were ignored by this academy. Lawrence Durrell also falls into this group, > this unique *Salon des Refus?s.* These writers, in my opinion, all had a > major and substantial body of work which certainly deserves classification > as ?literature.? I can?t say the same for Bob Dylan. > > Bruce > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 13 12:49:56 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:49:56 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Nobel Prize In-Reply-To: References: <7D48DB87-A97F-4414-812B-896B9A51D0DC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <282C6BD2-945F-468D-90E1-DDA2771A0E5A@earthlink.net> This is not a matter of taste. It's a gross disregard of genre and what it means to be a writer. Read today's editorial in the New York Times, which argues that Dylan should not have received the award. I agree completely. The Nobel Committee has capitulated to critical fads in the literary academy. Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 13, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > Bruce, they couldn't give the Nobel Prize for his voice so it had to be the lyrics. > > De Gustibus - Ken > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >> Bob Dylan has won the Nobel Prize for literature. Not wanting to disparage my fellow American, but one has to wonder what the criteria are for this prize. Dylan?s oeuvre, while influential as a song writer and lyricist, is meager, perhaps a slender volume of poetry. I guess awarding him a prize shows how the Nobel Academy has turned to the cultural studies movement, where literature becomes defined beyond recognition. Christopher Ricks, a highly respected critic, values Dylan?s poetry (Dylan?s Vision of Sin [2005]). Does it, however, warrant such a prestigious award? Writers and poets like Marcel Proust, James Joyce, and Jorge Luis Borges were ignored by this academy. Lawrence Durrell also falls into this group, this unique Salon des Refus?s. These writers, in my opinion, all had a major and substantial body of work which certainly deserves classification as ?literature.? I can?t say the same for Bob Dylan. >> >> Bruce >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds >> > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 13:05:20 2016 From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 13:05:20 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Nobel Prize In-Reply-To: <282C6BD2-945F-468D-90E1-DDA2771A0E5A@earthlink.net> References: <7D48DB87-A97F-4414-812B-896B9A51D0DC@earthlink.net> <282C6BD2-945F-468D-90E1-DDA2771A0E5A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sorry Bruce ? it is _definitely_ a matter of taste and some of your assertions are wrong prima facie: first he is of course a writer, as well as the canard about a slim book of poetry. The # of songs published per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan was not immediately evident to me but may I guess at least 300? That is a lot of poems Bruce. Cheers ? Ken On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > This is not a matter of taste. It's a gross disregard of genre and what > it means to be a writer. Read today's editorial in the New York Times, > which argues that Dylan should not have received the award. I agree > completely. The Nobel Committee has capitulated to critical fads in the > literary academy. > > Bruce > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Gammage > wrote: > > Bruce, they couldn't give the Nobel Prize for his voice so it had to be > the lyrics. > > De Gustibus - Ken > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Bruce Redwine < > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Bob Dylan has won the Nobel Prize for literature. Not wanting to >> disparage my fellow American, but one has to wonder what the criteria are >> for this prize. Dylan?s oeuvre, while influential as a song writer and >> lyricist, is meager, perhaps a slender volume of poetry. I guess awarding >> him a prize shows how the Nobel Academy has turned to the cultural studies >> movement, where literature becomes defined beyond recognition. Christopher >> Ricks, a highly respected critic, values Dylan?s poetry (*Dylan?s Vision >> of Sin* [2005]). Does it, however, warrant such a prestigious award? >> Writers and poets like Marcel Proust, James Joyce, and Jorge Luis Borges >> were ignored by this academy. Lawrence Durrell also falls into this group, >> this unique *Salon des Refus?s.* These writers, in my opinion, all had >> a major and substantial body of work which certainly deserves >> classification as ?literature.? 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The Nobel Committee has capitulated to critical fads in the > literary academy. > > Bruce > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Gammage > wrote: > > Bruce, they couldn't give the Nobel Prize for his voice so it had to be > the lyrics. > > De Gustibus - Ken > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Bruce Redwine < > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Bob Dylan has won the Nobel Prize for literature. Not wanting to >> disparage my fellow American, but one has to wonder what the criteria are >> for this prize. Dylan?s oeuvre, while influential as a song writer and >> lyricist, is meager, perhaps a slender volume of poetry. I guess awarding >> him a prize shows how the Nobel Academy has turned to the cultural studies >> movement, where literature becomes defined beyond recognition. Christopher >> Ricks, a highly respected critic, values Dylan?s poetry (*Dylan?s Vision >> of Sin* [2005]). Does it, however, warrant such a prestigious award? >> Writers and poets like Marcel Proust, James Joyce, and Jorge Luis Borges >> were ignored by this academy. Lawrence Durrell also falls into this group, >> this unique *Salon des Refus?s.* These writers, in my opinion, all had >> a major and substantial body of work which certainly deserves >> classification as ?literature.? I can?t say the same for Bob Dylan. >> >> Bruce >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds >> >> > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 13 15:23:56 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:23:56 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Nobel Prize In-Reply-To: References: <7D48DB87-A97F-4414-812B-896B9A51D0DC@earthlink.net> <282C6BD2-945F-468D-90E1-DDA2771A0E5A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <307FCB92-D54B-453A-934B-C20B69129782@earthlink.net> Ken, You and I have different definitions of a writer. Take away Dylan's music and we wouldn't be even considering him a poet, just a someone who writes perplexing verse. I doubt if it would have been published as such. You might consider him a troubadour poet, but even the Proven?al Troubadours made sense. Dylan's body of poems is not substantial. As I said, his "poetry" is dependent on his music. Richard, Dunno about Ricks's problems at Boston U. Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 13, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Richard Pine wrote: > > For the record, the voting was: > > 1 Bob Dylan > 2 Joan Baez > 3 Leonard Cohen > 4 Donovan > 5 Simon and Garfunkel > 6 Salman Rushdie > > Rather more importantly, does anyone have a view on Christopher Ricks's situation vis-a-vis Boston University and the Editorial Institute? > > > RP > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >> This is not a matter of taste. It's a gross disregard of genre and what it means to be a writer. Read today's editorial in the New York Times, which argues that Dylan should not have received the award. I agree completely. The Nobel Committee has capitulated to critical fads in the literary academy. >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: >>> >>> Bruce, they couldn't give the Nobel Prize for his voice so it had to be the lyrics. >>> >>> De Gustibus - Ken >>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >>>> Bob Dylan has won the Nobel Prize for literature. Not wanting to disparage my fellow American, but one has to wonder what the criteria are for this prize. Dylan?s oeuvre, while influential as a song writer and lyricist, is meager, perhaps a slender volume of poetry. I guess awarding him a prize shows how the Nobel Academy has turned to the cultural studies movement, where literature becomes defined beyond recognition. Christopher Ricks, a highly respected critic, values Dylan?s poetry (Dylan?s Vision of Sin [2005]). Does it, however, warrant such a prestigious award? Writers and poets like Marcel Proust, James Joyce, and Jorge Luis Borges were ignored by this academy. Lawrence Durrell also falls into this group, this unique Salon des Refus?s. These writers, in my opinion, all had a major and substantial body of work which certainly deserves classification as ?literature.? I can?t say the same for Bob Dylan. >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ILDS mailing list >>>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >>>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ILDS mailing list >>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds >> > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.w.collins at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 13:17:43 2016 From: robin.w.collins at gmail.com (Robin Collins) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:17:43 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Nobel to Dylan for literature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E1302FC-9C76-4C5E-88C6-02A731F61F6C@gmail.com> A good argument was given by (writer, also musician, also host to tribute/reading to/for Ian McEwan recently in Toronto) Dave Bidini in Globe and Mail today. He suggested a lyricist can rely on music and voice but a literature author has nothing but the words, which must survive alone. So in his view the category shouldn't include lyricists. I am a big early to mid era Dylan fan but many of his lyrics don't stand up well without the sounds behind them. Others stand very well. How does that feel? To be on your own? Like a complete unknown? Robin From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 15:56:13 2016 From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 15:56:13 -0700 Subject: [ilds] New York Times recommends the Durrell Corfu TV show Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/arts/television/carol-the-simpsons-what-to-watch.html?action=click&contentCollection=arts&module=NextInCollection®ion=Footer&pgtype=article&version=column&rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fwatching -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 14 20:14:11 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:14:11 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Nobel to Dylan for literature In-Reply-To: <6E1302FC-9C76-4C5E-88C6-02A731F61F6C@gmail.com> References: <6E1302FC-9C76-4C5E-88C6-02A731F61F6C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B52CC00-8DDB-41B4-89D4-7B929399E286@earthlink.net> I think Robin's description below is correct and irrefutable. Which leads to the next question--why has the Nobel committee corrupted the definition of "literature?" Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Robin Collins wrote: > > A good argument was given by (writer, also musician, also host to tribute/reading to/for Ian McEwan recently in Toronto) Dave Bidini in Globe and Mail today. He suggested a lyricist can rely on music and voice but a literature author has nothing but the words, which must survive alone. So in his view the category shouldn't include lyricists. I am a big early to mid era Dylan fan but many of his lyrics don't stand up well without the sounds behind them. Others stand very well. How does that feel? To be on your own? Like a complete unknown? > > Robin > From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:01:30 2016 From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 17:01:30 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Nobel to Dylan for literature In-Reply-To: <7B52CC00-8DDB-41B4-89D4-7B929399E286@earthlink.net> References: <6E1302FC-9C76-4C5E-88C6-02A731F61F6C@gmail.com> <7B52CC00-8DDB-41B4-89D4-7B929399E286@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bruce, you can understand the uncomfortable silence. If Durrell had won the Nobel back in the '70s the mean HH income on the listserv would probably be E25,000 higher - maybe more! Plus - no excuses. "Yes. Durrell studies. No, not Gerald. Lawrence!" : > ) Durrells on Corfu debuts on PBS here in the US of A tomorrow night in a flurry of good publicity. Cheers - Ken On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > I think Robin's description below is correct and irrefutable. Which leads > to the next question--why has the Nobel committee corrupted the definition > of "literature?" > > Bruce > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Robin Collins > wrote: > > > > A good argument was given by (writer, also musician, also host to > tribute/reading to/for Ian McEwan recently in Toronto) Dave Bidini in Globe > and Mail today. He suggested a lyricist can rely on music and voice but a > literature author has nothing but the words, which must survive alone. So > in his view the category shouldn't include lyricists. I am a big early to > mid era Dylan fan but many of his lyrics don't stand up well without the > sounds behind them. Others stand very well. How does that feel? To be on > your own? Like a complete unknown? > > > > Robin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 16 09:01:45 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 09:01:45 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Nobel to Dylan for literature In-Reply-To: References: <6E1302FC-9C76-4C5E-88C6-02A731F61F6C@gmail.com> <7B52CC00-8DDB-41B4-89D4-7B929399E286@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6060230B-D6EF-4491-B6C2-7738356D84DD@earthlink.net> Ken, Yes. Lawrence Durrell not getting the Nobel was the world?s loss and a sure indication that the Nobel Prize Committee is swayed by popular opinions and prejudices. Here?s another great author who didn?t get the recognition he richly deserved: Nikos Kazantzakis. Bruce > On Oct 15, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > Bruce, you can understand the uncomfortable silence. If Durrell had won the Nobel back in the '70s the mean HH income on the listserv would probably be E25,000 higher - maybe more! Plus - no excuses. "Yes. Durrell studies. No, not Gerald. Lawrence!" > > : > ) > > Durrells on Corfu debuts on PBS here in the US of A tomorrow night in a flurry of good publicity. > > Cheers - Ken > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Bruce Redwine > wrote: > I think Robin's description below is correct and irrefutable. Which leads to the next question--why has the Nobel committee corrupted the definition of "literature?" > > Bruce > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Robin Collins > wrote: > > > > A good argument was given by (writer, also musician, also host to tribute/reading to/for Ian McEwan recently in Toronto) Dave Bidini in Globe and Mail today. He suggested a lyricist can rely on music and voice but a literature author has nothing but the words, which must survive alone. So in his view the category shouldn't include lyricists. I am a big early to mid era Dylan fan but many of his lyrics don't stand up well without the sounds behind them. Others stand very well. How does that feel? To be on your own? Like a complete unknown? > > > > Robin > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wilded at hotmail.com Sun Oct 16 13:05:26 2016 From: wilded at hotmail.com (david wilde) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:05:26 +0000 Subject: [ilds] Nobel to Dylan for literature In-Reply-To: <6060230B-D6EF-4491-B6C2-7738356D84DD@earthlink.net> References: <6E1302FC-9C76-4C5E-88C6-02A731F61F6C@gmail.com> <7B52CC00-8DDB-41B4-89D4-7B929399E286@earthlink.net> , <6060230B-D6EF-4491-B6C2-7738356D84DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/13/bob-dylan-nobel-prize/?printpage=true [http://www.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/bob-dylan-nobel-prize.jpg] Dylan's Time www.nybooks.com Bob Dylan has accomplished something that few novelists or poets or for that matter songwriters have managed to do in our era: he changed the time he inhabited. Through words, with music as the fluid of their transmission, he affected the perception, outlook, opinions, ambitions, and assumptions of hundreds of millions of people all over the world. ________________________________ From: ILDS on behalf of Bruce Redwine Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:01 AM To: Sumantra Nag Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds] Nobel to Dylan for literature Ken, Yes. Lawrence Durrell not getting the Nobel was the world's loss and a sure indication that the Nobel Prize Committee is swayed by popular opinions and prejudices. Here's another great author who didn't get the recognition he richly deserved: Nikos Kazantzakis. Bruce On Oct 15, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Kennedy Gammage > wrote: Bruce, you can understand the uncomfortable silence. If Durrell had won the Nobel back in the '70s the mean HH income on the listserv would probably be E25,000 higher - maybe more! Plus - no excuses. "Yes. Durrell studies. No, not Gerald. Lawrence!" : > ) Durrells on Corfu debuts on PBS here in the US of A tomorrow night in a flurry of good publicity. Cheers - Ken On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Bruce Redwine > wrote: I think Robin's description below is correct and irrefutable. Which leads to the next question--why has the Nobel committee corrupted the definition of "literature?" Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Robin Collins > wrote: > > A good argument was given by (writer, also musician, also host to tribute/reading to/for Ian McEwan recently in Toronto) Dave Bidini in Globe and Mail today. He suggested a lyricist can rely on music and voice but a literature author has nothing but the words, which must survive alone. So in his view the category shouldn't include lyricists. I am a big early to mid era Dylan fan but many of his lyrics don't stand up well without the sounds behind them. Others stand very well. How does that feel? To be on your own? 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