[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 113, Issue 15

Ravi Nambiar cnncravi at gmail.com
Tue Sep 27 09:12:07 PDT 2016


Dear Bruce
Your statement, "I think the success of the Quartet depends on literature,
whereas the lack of success of the Quintet depends on philosophy", prompted
me to collect some of Durrell's own words from the interviews he gave:
"...this quintet is more important to me than the Alexandria Quartet".
"Avignon Quintet will be my last book, a present to France."
"The English don't very much like ideas and abstraction."
"The book is really written for learned people."
"The Avignon Quintet is an intellectual autobiography."
"Quartet, the hurly-burly and ripening of experience, quintet the
acceptance of reality."
"The Alexandria Quartet takes into account Western psychology, dualism, and
ambivalence."
"The Quintet accordingly offers a solution: the East as a way out for the
West. Things are so simple, nor so abstract."

It is agreed by almost all D scholars that to understand Durrell, one has
to read all of his work. The Quartet, the four, slides into the five, the
Quintet ("five baskets of experience"): unlike in the quartet, "...in the
quintet the last page is really the last page."
Regards
Ravi

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>    3. tone (James Gifford)
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>    5. Indian Metaphysics (Bruce Redwine)
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> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:05:46 -0700
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> To: Sumantra Nag <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Caesar's Vast Ghost
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> Yes, we share the same response.  CVG is a very good finish to Durrell?s
> oeuvre.  I like the beginning, the poetic description and the
> recapitulation of some of his persistent themes.  The poems are cryptic and
> beautiful; the last one is particularly sad and beautiful.  Durrell?s humor
> also comes through.  A critic in 1960 said that finishing the Quartet left
> him bereft and saddened.  I finished CVG, heard that ?disenfranchised last
> goodbye,? and felt that I had lost a lifelong friend.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Denise Tart & David Green <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > I've just finished reading Caesar's Vast Ghost, Durrell's last book. I
> can't comment on its monism or dualism but I will say it is an amiable and
> enjoyable ramble through the history, landscape and other aspects of
> Provence where Larry lived for over thirty years. His gentle talent as a
> historian is not discussed enough and the way he blends history with his
> knowledge of literature, local customs and poetic descriptions is a
> wonderful kind of polyism that is found in other works of his.  Durrell
> intersperses the text with his poems which provide unusual stopping points
> and reflective moments. As his last book, it is a great summary of his
> themes and concerns including urbanisation and environmental damage. His
> whole past into the present idea is explored well as some of the people and
> histories which formed the basis of the Avignon Quintet.  I wish now I had
> read it before I went to Provence last year and visited Mas Michel and the
> house at Sommieres. Now I'll have to go a!
>  ga!
> > in. Is Durrell, is good.
> >
> > David Whitewine.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:45:07 +0300
> From: Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> And let's recall that "Though you a whole infinity may take / You''ll not
> unravel the entire mosaic" (p.xiv). - A lapidary warning to the arrogant
> fuckers who think they can explain LD.
> RP
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Bruce Redwine <
> bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, we share the same response.  *CVG* is a very good finish to
> > Durrell?s oeuvre.  I like the beginning, the poetic description and the
> > recapitulation of some of his persistent themes.  The poems are cryptic
> and
> > beautiful; the last one is particularly sad and beautiful.  Durrell?s
> humor
> > also comes through.  A critic in 1960 said that finishing the *Quartet*
> > left him bereft and saddened.  I finished *CVG,* heard that
> > ?disenfranchised last goodbye,? and felt that I had lost a lifelong
> friend.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Denise Tart & David Green <
> > dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > I've just finished reading Caesar's Vast Ghost, Durrell's last book. I
> > can't comment on its monism or dualism but I will say it is an amiable
> and
> > enjoyable ramble through the history, landscape and other aspects of
> > Provence where Larry lived for over thirty years. His gentle talent as a
> > historian is not discussed enough and the way he blends history with his
> > knowledge of literature, local customs and poetic descriptions is a
> > wonderful kind of polyism that is found in other works of his.  Durrell
> > intersperses the text with his poems which provide unusual stopping
> points
> > and reflective moments. As his last book, it is a great summary of his
> > themes and concerns including urbanisation and environmental damage. His
> > whole past into the present idea is explored well as some of the people
> and
> > histories which formed the basis of the Avignon Quintet.  I wish now I
> had
> > read it before I went to Provence last year and visited Mas Michel and
> the
> > house at Sommieres. Now I'll have to go aga!
> > in. Is Durrell, is good.
> >
> > David Whitewine.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
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> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Dear all,
>
> I've no wish to censor the subject positions or word choices of those
> who rely on this listserv to communicate personal opinions to colleagues
> and friends.  However, I'll quickly note that the volume of complaints
> about violations of appropriate public discourse have increased.
> Uncritical racist, sexist, or vulgar word choices are ill-suited to
> productive discourse in a venue hosted for the purpose of supporting
> thoughtful and meaningful discussions among a community of scholars.
>
> Let's all try our best to avoid being deliberately offensive trolls,
> especially in racist or sexist terms.  Agreed?  After all, no one
> remembers the trolls in the fairy tales?  A better legacy, for anyone
> thinking of legacies more than future work, is based on seeds planted
> rather than hate sown.
>
> All best,
> James
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 06:52:48 +0530
> From: Ravi Nambiar <cnncravi at gmail.com>
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 113, Issue 14
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> Bruce
> Thanks for your advice to continue. It is too risky, but. Much gets lost in
> utterance or you are wrongly received at the other end. I don't think a
> subject like dualism and non-dualism can be explained that easily, that too
> with a limited knowledge of them. All that I was trying to hint at was that
> there there are deeper things in the *Quartet* and the novel cannot easily
> be kept aside by merely enjoying its form.
> Let us leave aside dualism and non-dualism for a while, and substitute them
> with words like particular and general, very familiar terms in Durrell.
> When we are at the subjective level, we get stuck at the particular (my
> Justine, my Melissa). When you reach a stage capable of discovering the
> essence of all particulars, and realize the meaninglessness (absurdity) in
> getting stuck at the particular, we (Darleys) realize a different reality
> (heraldic universe). In Durrell's world, the shift in the inner self
> (growth?) corresponds to the shift in the perception of reality, from
> reality to metareality (*Livia*). Sankara is useful here. Dualism means
> two, but non-dualism means not two. I don't know whether we can call it
> One. We say I and non-I. Does non-I mean we? Durrell repeatedly reminds us
> that novel should be bliss-side up. The non-I stage, the non-dual stage
> (Affad), takes you to a state of bliss (Ananda)--thou art that, I am lived
> by the It, etc. Durrell is of the belief that this journey can be achieved
> only through the flesh (Tantra). About your other point, Darley is only a
> sample; a drop under the microscope; everyone grows. What impact Darley has
> made in the life of others around him is not much discussed in the novel,
> as what others have done to Darley is narrated. My views are only
> tentative, Bruce. One should never misinterpret.
> Regards
> Ravi
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:30 AM, <ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca> wrote:
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> >    1. Re: Ravi's response to Sumantra (david wilde)
> >    2. Re: Ravi's response to Sumantra (Bruce Redwine)
> >    3. Re: Ravi's response to Sumantra (Richard Pine)
> >    4. Caesar's Vast Ghost (Denise Tart & David Green)
> >    5. Re: Ravi's response to Sumantra (david wilde)
> >    6. Re: Ravi's response to Sumantra (Richard Pine)
> >    7. Re: Ravi's response to Sumantra (Denise Tart & David Green)
> >    8. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 113, Issue 13 (Ravi Nambiar)
> >    9. Indian Metaphysics (Bruce Redwine)
> >
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:15:17 +0000
> > From: david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com>
> > To: "ilds at lists.uvic.ca" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > Message-ID:
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> > <http://rmoa.unm.edu/docviewer.php?docId=nmu1995-06-25.xml#hit1>Pardon
> my
> > intrusuion but dualism, momism must differ from what (potentialy)
> > non-dualism can be or not be by sheer numerical quantatative measurement?
> > dw
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca> on behalf of Bruce Redwine <
> > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:41 PM
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> >
> > Sam Kirshaw makes sense about Clea.  But I'm lost when it comes to
> dualism
> > and non-dualism (monism).
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com<mailto:s
> > amkirshaw at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to reinforce the sense of process that one feels from the
> > Quartet in the search for the ultimate woman. Critics have often given
> Clea
> > faint praise for being that woman in Darley's world. But the ending of
> the
> > Quartet shows the former incarnations of that woman of women to be in
> > Justine's case a shadow of her former self working at the kibbutz. And,
> of
> > course, by this time Melissa is dead, literally clapped out. Meanwhile
> Clea
> > emerges as a survivor with the wit to live a life combining the artistic
> > and realistic tendencies, however much damaged. Does Darley save her or
> > himself from the wreck, one asks?
> >
> > When one embarks on the discussion about dualism and non-dualism (does
> one
> > mean monism?) the danger is to slip and fall among the archetypes (pace
> > Felix), a fate awaiting us all.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sam
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:27:37 -0700
> > From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > To: Sumantra Nag <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
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> >
> > Dunno.  When I hear ?monism? and ?dualism,? I think of the old
> > philosophical problem of ?the one and the many,? unity or plurality?
> Plato
> > was a monist (in the sense of his Forms), Aristotle rejected Forms.  I
> > suspect Durrell was also a monist, as evidence in his Heraldic Universe.
> > Richard Pine can settle this.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:15 PM, david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  <http://rmoa.unm.edu/docviewer.php?docId=nmu1995-06-25.xml#hit1
> >Pardon
> > my intrusuion but dualism, momism must differ from what (potentialy)
> > non-dualism can be or not be by sheer numerical quantatative measurement?
> > dw
> > > From: ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca> on behalf of Bruce Redwine <
> > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:41 PM
> > > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > >
> > > Sam Kirshaw makes sense about Clea.  But I'm lost when it comes to
> > dualism and non-dualism (monism).
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com
> <mailto:
> > samkirshaw at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I would like to reinforce the sense of process that one feels from the
> > Quartet in the search for the ultimate woman. Critics have often given
> Clea
> > faint praise for being that woman in Darley?s world. But the ending of
> the
> > Quartet shows the former incarnations of that woman of women to be in
> > Justine?s case a shadow of her former self working at the kibbutz. And,
> of
> > course, by this time Melissa is dead, literally clapped out. Meanwhile
> Clea
> > emerges as a survivor with the wit to live a life combining the artistic
> > and realistic tendencies, however much damaged. Does Darley save her or
> > himself from the wreck, one asks?
> > >>
> > >> When one embarks on the discussion about dualism and non-dualism (does
> > one mean monism?) the danger is to slip and fall among the archetypes
> (pace
> > Felix), a fate awaiting us all.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Sam
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 23:34:34 +0300
> > From: Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
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> > No I can't.
> > RP
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Bruce Redwine <
> > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dunno.  When I hear ?monism? and ?dualism,? I think of the old
> > > philosophical problem of ?the one and the many,? unity or plurality?
> > Plato
> > > was a monist (in the sense of his Forms), Aristotle rejected Forms.  I
> > > suspect Durrell was also a monist, as evidence in his Heraldic
> Universe.
> > > Richard Pine can settle this.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:15 PM, david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <http://rmoa.unm.edu/docviewer.php?docId=nmu1995-06-25.xml#hit1>Pardon
> > my
> > > intrusuion but dualism, momism must differ from what (potentialy)
> > > non-dualism can be or not be by sheer numerical quantatative
> measurement?
> > > dw
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca> on behalf of Bruce Redwine <
> > > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > > *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 12:41 PM
> > > *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > > *Subject:* Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > >
> > > Sam Kirshaw makes sense about Clea.  But I'm lost when it comes to
> > dualism
> > > and non-dualism (monism).
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would like to reinforce the sense of process that one feels from the
> > > Quartet in the search for the ultimate woman. Critics have often given
> > Clea
> > > faint praise for being that woman in Darley?s world. But the ending of
> > the
> > > Quartet shows the former incarnations of that woman of women to be in
> > > Justine?s case a shadow of her former self working at the kibbutz. And,
> > of
> > > course, by this time Melissa is dead, literally clapped out. Meanwhile
> > Clea
> > > emerges as a survivor with the wit to live a life combining the
> artistic
> > > and realistic tendencies, however much damaged. Does Darley save her or
> > > himself from the wreck, one asks?
> > >
> > > When one embarks on the discussion about dualism and non-dualism (does
> > one
> > > mean monism?) the danger is to slip and fall among the archetypes (pace
> > > Felix), a fate awaiting us all.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ILDS mailing list
> > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 07:44:27 +1000
> > From: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: [ilds] Caesar's Vast Ghost
> > Message-ID: <4554089B-8FC0-4B17-A27B-0701364034B5 at bigpond.net.au>
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> >
> > I've just finished reading Caesar's Vast Ghost, Durrell's last book. I
> > can't comment on its monism or dualism but I will say it is an amiable
> and
> > enjoyable ramble through the history, landscape and other aspects of
> > Provence where Larry lived for over thirty years. His gentle talent as a
> > historian is not discussed enough and the way he blends history with his
> > knowledge of literature, local customs and poetic descriptions is a
> > wonderful kind of polyism that is found in other works of his.  Durrell
> > intersperses the text with his poems which provide unusual stopping
> points
> > and reflective moments. As his last book, it is a great summary of his
> > themes and concerns including urbanisation and environmental damage. His
> > whole past into the present idea is explored well as some of the people
> and
> > histories which formed the basis of the Avignon Quintet.  I wish now I
> had
> > read it before I went to Provence last year and visited Mas Michel and
> the
> > house at Sommieres. Now I'll have to go aga!
> >  in. Is Durrell, is good.
> >
> > David Whitewine.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:46:59 +0000
> > From: david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com>
> > To: "ilds at lists.uvic.ca" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > Message-ID:
> >         <SN1PR17MB0272F05AB42E6DA200F234DBD8F40 at SN1PR17MB0272.
> > namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > True.  We should leave it to those who know best what the maestro (LD)
> was
> > probably thinking!  dw<https://independent.academia.edu/WildeD>
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca> on behalf of Bruce Redwine <
> > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:27 PM
> > To: Sumantra Nag
> > Cc: Bruce Redwine
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> >
> > Dunno.  When I hear "monism" and "dualism," I think of the old
> > philosophical problem of "the one and the many," unity or plurality?
> Plato
> > was a monist (in the sense of his Forms), Aristotle rejected Forms.  I
> > suspect Durrell was also a monist, as evidence in his Heraldic Universe.
> > Richard Pine can settle this.
> >
> > Bruce
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:15 PM, david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com<mailto:wil
> > ded at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > <http://rmoa.unm.edu/docviewer.php?docId=nmu1995-06-25.xml#hit1>Pardon
> my
> > intrusuion but dualism, momism must differ from what (potentialy)
> > non-dualism can be or not be by sheer numerical quantatative measurement?
> > dw
> > ________________________________
> > From: ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca<mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca
> >>
> > on behalf of Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net<mailto:
> > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>>
> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:41 PM
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca<mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> >
> > Sam Kirshaw makes sense about Clea.  But I'm lost when it comes to
> dualism
> > and non-dualism (monism).
> >
> > Bruce
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com<mailto:s
> > amkirshaw at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to reinforce the sense of process that one feels from the
> > Quartet in the search for the ultimate woman. Critics have often given
> Clea
> > faint praise for being that woman in Darley's world. But the ending of
> the
> > Quartet shows the former incarnations of that woman of women to be in
> > Justine's case a shadow of her former self working at the kibbutz. And,
> of
> > course, by this time Melissa is dead, literally clapped out. Meanwhile
> Clea
> > emerges as a survivor with the wit to live a life combining the artistic
> > and realistic tendencies, however much damaged. Does Darley save her or
> > himself from the wreck, one asks?
> >
> > When one embarks on the discussion about dualism and non-dualism (does
> one
> > mean monism?) the danger is to slip and fall among the archetypes (pace
> > Felix), a fate awaiting us all.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sam
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 01:16:27 +0300
> > From: Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > The only person who 'knew best' was LD and quite possibly he would not
> have
> > been able to explain it. He was a poet.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:46 AM, david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > True.  We should leave it to those who know best what the maestro (LD)
> > was
> > > probably thinking!  dw <https://independent.academia.edu/WildeD>
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca> on behalf of Bruce Redwine <
> > > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > > *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 2:27 PM
> > > *To:* Sumantra Nag
> > > *Cc:* Bruce Redwine
> > > *Subject:* Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > >
> > > Dunno.  When I hear ?monism? and ?dualism,? I think of the old
> > > philosophical problem of ?the one and the many,? unity or plurality?
> > Plato
> > > was a monist (in the sense of his Forms), Aristotle rejected Forms.  I
> > > suspect Durrell was also a monist, as evidence in his Heraldic
> Universe.
> > > Richard Pine can settle this.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:15 PM, david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <http://rmoa.unm.edu/docviewer.php?docId=nmu1995-06-25.xml#hit1>Pardon
> > my
> > > intrusuion but dualism, momism must differ from what (potentialy)
> > > non-dualism can be or not be by sheer numerical quantatative
> measurement?
> > > dw
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca> on behalf of Bruce Redwine <
> > > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > > *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 12:41 PM
> > > *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > > *Subject:* Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > >
> > > Sam Kirshaw makes sense about Clea.  But I'm lost when it comes to
> > dualism
> > > and non-dualism (monism).
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would like to reinforce the sense of process that one feels from the
> > > Quartet in the search for the ultimate woman. Critics have often given
> > Clea
> > > faint praise for being that woman in Darley?s world. But the ending of
> > the
> > > Quartet shows the former incarnations of that woman of women to be in
> > > Justine?s case a shadow of her former self working at the kibbutz. And,
> > of
> > > course, by this time Melissa is dead, literally clapped out. Meanwhile
> > Clea
> > > emerges as a survivor with the wit to live a life combining the
> artistic
> > > and realistic tendencies, however much damaged. Does Darley save her or
> > > himself from the wreck, one asks?
> > >
> > > When one embarks on the discussion about dualism and non-dualism (does
> > one
> > > mean monism?) the danger is to slip and fall among the archetypes (pace
> > > Felix), a fate awaiting us all.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:44:24 +1000
> > From: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > Message-ID: <4A59BE4B-C755-4986-8F01-EB8AE851BDE2 at bigpond.net.au>
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> >
> > Yeah, read the last chapter of CVG, what's going on there ?
> >
> > DG
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On 20 Sep 2016, at 8:16 AM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The only person who 'knew best' was LD and quite possibly he would not
> > have been able to explain it. He was a poet.
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:46 AM, david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> True.  We should leave it to those who know best what the maestro (LD)
> > was probably thinking!  dw
> > >>
> > >> From: ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca> on behalf of Bruce Redwine <
> > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:27 PM
> > >> To: Sumantra Nag
> > >> Cc: Bruce Redwine
> > >> Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > >>
> > >> Dunno.  When I hear ?monism? and ?dualism,? I think of the old
> > philosophical problem of ?the one and the many,? unity or plurality?
> Plato
> > was a monist (in the sense of his Forms), Aristotle rejected Forms.  I
> > suspect Durrell was also a monist, as evidence in his Heraldic Universe.
> > Richard Pine can settle this.
> > >>
> > >> Bruce
> > >>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:15 PM, david wilde <wilded at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Pardon my intrusuion but dualism, momism must differ from what
> > (potentialy) non-dualism can be or not be by sheer numerical quantatative
> > measurement?  dw
> > >>> From: ILDS <ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca> on behalf of Bruce Redwine <
> > bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:41 PM
> > >>> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > >>> Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > >>>
> > >>> Sam Kirshaw makes sense about Clea.  But I'm lost when it comes to
> > dualism and non-dualism (monism).
> > >>>
> > >>> Bruce
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I would like to reinforce the sense of process that one feels from
> > the Quartet in the search for the ultimate woman. Critics have often
> given
> > Clea faint praise for being that woman in Darley?s world. But the ending
> of
> > the Quartet shows the former incarnations of that woman of women to be in
> > Justine?s case a shadow of her former self working at the kibbutz. And,
> of
> > course, by this time Melissa is dead, literally clapped out. Meanwhile
> Clea
> > emerges as a survivor with the wit to live a life combining the artistic
> > and realistic tendencies, however much damaged. Does Darley save her or
> > himself from the wreck, one asks?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When one embarks on the discussion about dualism and non-dualism
> > (does one mean monism?) the danger is to slip and fall among the
> archetypes
> > (pace Felix), a fate awaiting us all.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sam
> > >>
> > >>
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:49:04 +0530
> > From: Ravi Nambiar <cnncravi at gmail.com>
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca, Sumantra Nag <sumantranag at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 113, Issue 13
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> >
> > Just a few clarifications please. I don't think Clea is created as an
> > ultimate woman by her creator. She is just another woman, any woman. But,
> > the observer, Darley, who moves through his subjective, relative, and
> > objective experience, finds his inner self grown or matured enough to see
> > Clea, the observed, in/from a new perspective. Words like "new eyes",
> > "vantage point", "unique position", "enigmatic leap into the heraldic
> > universe", etc.should help us in understanding what Durrell was
> attempting
> > at.What was enigmatic was Darley's own mind, his observation, and not the
> > character, Justine. Durrell once told that the Quartet was "a growing
> > story". The same reality is seen by Darley in/as a new "pattern". In a
> way,
> > it is Sankara's idea of illusion and reality, transition from dvaita
> > (dualism) to advaita (nondualism). Mulk Raj told me in my interview with
> > him that Durrell might have been influenced by Sankara. They were
> friends.
> > Sorry. Promise not to disturb anymore.
> > Ravi
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:30 AM, <ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca> wrote:
> >
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> > >
> > >    1. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 113, Issue 11 (sharbani banerjee(mukherjee))
> > >    2. Re: Ravi's response to Sumantra (Sam Kirshaw)
> > >    3. Re: Ravi's response to Sumantra (Bruce Redwine)
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:18:07 +0530
> > > From: "sharbani banerjee(mukherjee)" <sharbanibm at gmail.com>
> > > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > > Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 113, Issue 11
> > > Message-ID:
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> > >
> > > In addition to what Dr. Nambiar has rightly pointed out, May I add that
> > > Durrell's The Alexandria Quartet is possibly a rare instance where form
> > and
> > > content vie for contemplation simultaneously. His space-time continuum
> > > format of the Quartet as a structure provides the perfect germinating
> > > ground for his Oriental philosophical intent.
> > >
> > > On 18-Sep-2016 8:26 am, "Ravi Nambiar" <cnncravi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Sumantra,
> > > > Good to be in touch via ILDS. Your statement "...The Alexandria
> Quartet
> > > > at least which provides a highly sensory experience and where Form
> > stands
> > > > out in creating a world which can be viewed as an aesthetic
> experience"
> > > > is true for those interested in enjoying the narration alone, the
> > sensory
> > > > experience alone. But, those who want to enjoy the content equally
> will
> > > > have to be on the side of Bruce, who says, "With respect to Durrell,
> > I?d
> > > > put him somewhere that straddles form and content." Though it is
> unfair
> > > to
> > > > talk about one's own book, I kindly draw your attention to my book,
> > > > particularly to the second chapter, where I brought Jiddu
> Krishnamurthi
> > > in
> > > > to understand the character, Darley, in a better way. Darley's
> > confession
> > > > that he must drop his "private Alexandria" (drop Dualism), if he has
> to
> > > > reach his own self is significant for me. Dropping Alexandria
> > > > (Schopenhauer) necessitates not only dropping Justine and Melissa,
> but
> > it
> > > > also enables Darley to see them both in Clea. You know, Durrell
> > announced
> > > > more than once that his Quartet is Western and  the Quintet is
> Eastern.
> > > He
> > > > also spoke about moving from Don Juan to Bon Juan. I would like to
> put
> > it
> > > > this way: if the Quartet is a novel about the experience of a Don
> Jan,
> > > who
> > > > is in search of his ultimate woman (in the sense that the journey
> > finally
> > > > takes Darley to his own self), the Quintet is that of a Bon Juan (Bon
> > was
> > > > the name of a religion that existed in Tibet). It is Affad's Tibetan
> > self
> > > > that enables him to drop Constance easily from his memory
> (non-dualism)
> > > without
> > > > letting her hang on to him like Justine who could blur Darley's
> vision
> > of
> > > > reality.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Ravi
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 12:30 AM, <ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca>
> wrote:
> > > >
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> > > >>
> > > >>    1. Susan Sontag: literature as a purely sensorial experience
> > > >>       (Sumantra Nag)
> > > >>    2. Re: Susan Sontag: literature as a purely sensorial experience
> > > >>       (Bruce Redwine)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------
> > > >>
> > > >> Message: 1
> > > >> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:38:40 +0530
> > > >> From: Sumantra Nag <sumantranag at gmail.com>
> > > >> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > > >> Cc: Gulshan Taneja <grtaneja at gmail.com>
> > > >> Subject: [ilds] Susan Sontag: literature as a purely sensorial
> > > >>         experience
> > > >> Message-ID:
> > > >>         <CA+5jupT4Egug8Yhre=De3Kx2tPX24Zy1d1BJ9r1eAz=8f6iw_w at mail.
> > > >> gmail.com>
> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > >>
> > > >> Without having yet read Susan Sontag's essays or her novel as yet, I
> > > >> thought I would share this essay on her view of literature as a
> > > primarily
> > > >> sensory experience rather than one which expresses ideas and moulds
> > > >> thought. From such a view Form becomes dominant against Content.
> > > >>
> > > >> The view seemed very relevant to The Alexandria Quartet at least
> which
> > > >> provides a highly sensory experience and where Form stands out in
> > > creating
> > > >> a world which can be viewed as an aesthetic experience.
> > > >>
> > > >> This essay points out that in her novel The Volcano Lover (1992)
> Susan
> > > >> Sontag seems to modify or question her earlier view of literature
> as a
> > > >> purely aesthetic experience which need not be interpreted through
> > > >> analysis.
> > > >>
> > > >> "For all that has been said so far, then, I believe that "The
> Volcano
> > > >> Lover" can be read as an instance of slippage from Sontag?s former
> > > >> Formalist stand. Firstly, through the ironic narrativization of the
> > > >> Cavaliere?s totalizing aesthetic views, I think that she actually
> > mocks
> > > >> the
> > > >> hermeticism of her own appraoch to the literary text,* according to
> > > which
> > > >> aesthetics should be the only dominant in literature in an attempt
> to
> > > >> reduce it to pure sensorial expression.* Secondly, she explicitly
> > brings
> > > >> into her text the theme of the ex-centrics as well as
> historiographic
> > > >> events from a critical viewpoint, lending to her narrative an
> > > unavoidable
> > > >> ideological twist and thus contesting her views as expressed in
> > ?Against
> > > >> Interpretation? that the novel cannot be taken as a social,
> political
> > or
> > > >> cultural declaration about the world."
> > > >>
> > > >> Sumantra Nag
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >> Message: 2
> > > >> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:24:05 -0700
> > > >> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > > >> To: Sumantra Nag <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > > >> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, Gulshan Taneja
> > > >>         <grtaneja at gmail.com>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [ilds] Susan Sontag: literature as a purely sensorial
> > > >>         experience
> > > >> Message-ID: <8554BA07-7AE0-4E5F-AE5B-E141546D3DDC at earthlink.net>
> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > >>
> > > >> Good to hear from Sumantra again.  I too have not read Sontag?s
> > Volcano
> > > >> Lover (1992), but her early statement that literature (mainly
> fiction
> > > >> probably) is form over content is rather strange.  This is an
> > > Aristotelean
> > > >> argument taken out of the Poetics (recall Aristotle?s analysis of
> > > Oedipus
> > > >> Rex).  What?s strange is that Sontag is known primarily for her
> > essays,
> > > her
> > > >> ideas.  With respect to Durrell, I?d put him somewhere that
> straddles
> > > form
> > > >> and content.  Form in the sense of his poetry, his creation of his
> own
> > > >> sensory world, which, as Sumantra says, ?can be viewed as an
> aesthetic
> > > >> experience.?  His ideas, however, are equally important?especially
> to
> > > >> Durrell himself.  We?ve talked about the European ?novel of ideas.?
> > I?d
> > > >> put him in that tradition, probably mainly in that tradition.
> Durrell
> > > had
> > > >> a philosophy, however vague.  Whole books have been devoted to that
> > > >> subject:  Richard Pine?s Mindscape (2005) and C. Ravindran Nambiar?s
> > > Indian
> > > >> Metaphysics in Lawrence Durrell?s Novels (2!
> > > >>  014).  Ray Morrison on Durrell?s Taoism is also relevant?A Smile in
> > His
> > > >> Mind?s Eye (2005).
> > > >>
> > > >> Bruce
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:08 AM, Sumantra Nag <sumantranag at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Without having yet read Susan Sontag's essays or her novel as
> yet, I
> > > >> thought I would share this essay on her view of literature as a
> > > primarily
> > > >> sensory experience rather than one which expresses ideas and moulds
> > > >> thought. From such a view Form becomes dominant against Content.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The view seemed very relevant to The Alexandria Quartet at least
> > which
> > > >> provides a highly sensory experience and where Form stands out in
> > > creating
> > > >> a world which can be viewed as an aesthetic experience.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This essay points out that in her novel The Volcano Lover (1992)
> > Susan
> > > >> Sontag seems to modify or question her earlier view of literature
> as a
> > > >> purely aesthetic experience which need not be interpreted through
> > > analysis.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "For all that has been said so far, then, I believe that "The
> > Volcano
> > > >> Lover" can be read as an instance of slippage from Sontag?s former
> > > >> Formalist stand. Firstly, through the ironic narrativization of the
> > > >> Cavaliere?s totalizing aesthetic views, I think that she actually
> > mocks
> > > the
> > > >> hermeticism of her own appraoch to the literary text, according to
> > which
> > > >> aesthetics should be the only dominant in literature in an attempt
> to
> > > >> reduce it to pure sensorial expression. Secondly, she explicitly
> > brings
> > > >> into her text the theme of the ex-centrics as well as
> historiographic
> > > >> events from a critical viewpoint, lending to her narrative an
> > > unavoidable
> > > >> ideological twist and thus contesting her views as expressed in
> > ?Against
> > > >> Interpretation? that the novel cannot be taken as a social,
> political
> > or
> > > >> cultural declaration about the world."
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sumantra Nag
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sent from my Moto G4 Plus
> > > >> >
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> > > From: Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com>
> > > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> > > I would like to reinforce the sense of process that one feels from the
> > > Quartet in the search for the ultimate woman. Critics have often given
> > Clea
> > > faint praise for being that woman in Darley?s world. But the ending of
> > the
> > > Quartet shows the former incarnations of that woman of women to be in
> > > Justine?s case a shadow of her former self working at the kibbutz. And,
> > of
> > > course, by this time Melissa is dead, literally clapped out. Meanwhile
> > Clea
> > > emerges as a survivor with the wit to live a life combining the
> artistic
> > > and realistic tendencies, however much damaged. Does Darley save her or
> > > himself from the wreck, one asks?
> > >
> > > When one embarks on the discussion about dualism and non-dualism (does
> > one
> > > mean monism?) the danger is to slip and fall among the archetypes (pace
> > > Felix), a fate awaiting us all.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:41:47 -0700
> > > From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ravi's response to Sumantra
> > > Message-ID: <BF46C9A6-0430-4858-8248-0FEAD078058B at earthlink.net>
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> > >
> > > Sam Kirshaw makes sense about Clea.  But I'm lost when it comes to
> > dualism
> > > and non-dualism (monism).
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would like to reinforce the sense of process that one feels from
> the
> > > Quartet in the search for the ultimate woman. Critics have often given
> > Clea
> > > faint praise for being that woman in Darley?s world. But the ending of
> > the
> > > Quartet shows the former incarnations of that woman of women to be in
> > > Justine?s case a shadow of her former self working at the kibbutz. And,
> > of
> > > course, by this time Melissa is dead, literally clapped out. Meanwhile
> > Clea
> > > emerges as a survivor with the wit to live a life combining the
> artistic
> > > and realistic tendencies, however much damaged. Does Darley save her or
> > > himself from the wreck, one asks?
> > > >
> > > > When one embarks on the discussion about dualism and non-dualism
> (does
> > > one mean monism?) the danger is to slip and fall among the archetypes
> > (pace
> > > Felix), a fate awaiting us all.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Sam
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> > From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > To: Sumantra Nag <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: [ilds] Indian Metaphysics
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> > Ravi,
> >
> > This list needs to be disturbed, so please continue.  My understanding of
> > Hindu metaphysics, Advaita Vedanta in particular, is minimal.  I assume
> you
> > refer to Adi Shankara (8th cen. CE), the founder of that school.  Some
> look
> > on his approach as another kind of Monism on the individual level.  If by
> > advaita  (non-dualism) you mean the unity of the self, that certainly
> seems
> > to be one of Durrell?s big preoccupations, and there?s ample evidence of
> > that in the Quartet, where it?s often expressed as ?wholeness? (see the
> > ending to Clea?the ?whole universe? gives Darley a ?nudge?).  As applied
> to
> > the major female characters (Melissa, Justine, Clea), however, I do see a
> > progression in these characterizations and am reluctant to see Clea as
> > simply ?another woman, any woman.?  It?s too solipsistic to say that
> > advaita is simply in Darley?s head (note in contrast?it?s the ?universe,?
> > the outside world that effects change).  Maybe this is true to Shankara?s
> > metaphysics, but I don?t think!
> >   it?s true to Durrell and the way his fiction works.  Anyway, thanks for
> > opening up an important area of Durrell?s ?metaphysics.?
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Ravi Nambiar <cnncravi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just a few clarifications please. I don't think Clea is created as an
> > ultimate woman by her creator. She is just another woman, any woman. But,
> > the observer, Darley, who moves through his subjective, relative, and
> > objective experience, finds his inner self grown or matured enough to see
> > Clea, the observed, in/from a new perspective. Words like "new eyes",
> > "vantage point", "unique position", "enigmatic leap into the heraldic
> > universe", etc.should help us in understanding what Durrell was
> attempting
> > at.What was enigmatic was Darley's own mind, his observation, and not the
> > character, Justine. Durrell once told that the Quartet was "a growing
> > story". The same reality is seen by Darley in/as a new "pattern". In a
> way,
> > it is Sankara's idea of illusion and reality, transition from dvaita
> > (dualism) to advaita (nondualism). Mulk Raj told me in my interview with
> > him that Durrell might have been influenced by Sankara. They were
> friends.
> > > Sorry. Promise not to disturb anymore.
> > > Ravi
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:30 AM, <ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:
> > ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca>> wrote:
> > > Send ILDS mailing list submissions to
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:18:07 +0530
> > > From: "sharbani banerjee(mukherjee)" <sharbanibm at gmail.com <mailto:
> > sharbanibm at gmail.com>>
> > > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > > Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 113, Issue 11
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> > > In addition to what Dr. Nambiar has rightly pointed out, May I add that
> > > Durrell's The Alexandria Quartet is possibly a rare instance where form
> > and
> > > content vie for contemplation simultaneously. His space-time continuum
> > > format of the Quartet as a structure provides the perfect germinating
> > > ground for his Oriental philosophical intent.
> > >
> > > On 18-Sep-2016 8:26 am, "Ravi Nambiar" <cnncravi at gmail.com <mailto:
> > cnncravi at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Sumantra,
> > > > Good to be in touch via ILDS. Your statement "...The Alexandria
> Quartet
> > > > at least which provides a highly sensory experience and where Form
> > stands
> > > > out in creating a world which can be viewed as an aesthetic
> experience"
> > > > is true for those interested in enjoying the narration alone, the
> > sensory
> > > > experience alone. But, those who want to enjoy the content equally
> will
> > > > have to be on the side of Bruce, who says, "With respect to Durrell,
> > I?d
> > > > put him somewhere that straddles form and content." Though it is
> > unfair to
> > > > talk about one's own book, I kindly draw your attention to my book,
> > > > particularly to the second chapter, where I brought Jiddu
> > Krishnamurthi in
> > > > to understand the character, Darley, in a better way. Darley's
> > confession
> > > > that he must drop his "private Alexandria" (drop Dualism), if he has
> to
> > > > reach his own self is significant for me. Dropping Alexandria
> > > > (Schopenhauer) necessitates not only dropping Justine and Melissa,
> but
> > it
> > > > also enables Darley to see them both in Clea. You know, Durrell
> > announced
> > > > more than once that his Quartet is Western and  the Quintet is
> > Eastern. He
> > > > also spoke about moving from Don Juan to Bon Juan. I would like to
> put
> > it
> > > > this way: if the Quartet is a novel about the experience of a Don
> Jan,
> > who
> > > > is in search of his ultimate woman (in the sense that the journey
> > finally
> > > > takes Darley to his own self), the Quintet is that of a Bon Juan (Bon
> > was
> > > > the name of a religion that existed in Tibet). It is Affad's Tibetan
> > self
> > > > that enables him to drop Constance easily from his memory
> > (non-dualism) without
> > > > letting her hang on to him like Justine who could blur Darley's
> vision
> > of
> > > > reality.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Ravi
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 12:30 AM, <ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca
> <mailto:
> > ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------
> > > >>
> > > >> Message: 1
> > > >> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:38:40 +0530
> > > >> From: Sumantra Nag <sumantranag at gmail.com <mailto:
> > sumantranag at gmail.com>>
> > > >> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > > >> Cc: Gulshan Taneja <grtaneja at gmail.com <mailto:grtaneja at gmail.com>>
> > > >> Subject: [ilds] Susan Sontag: literature as a purely sensorial
> > > >>         experience
> > > >> Message-ID:
> > > >>         <CA+5jupT4Egug8Yhre=De3Kx2tPX24Zy1d1BJ9r1eAz=8f6iw_w at mail.
> > > >> gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>>
> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > >>
> > > >> Without having yet read Susan Sontag's essays or her novel as yet, I
> > > >> thought I would share this essay on her view of literature as a
> > primarily
> > > >> sensory experience rather than one which expresses ideas and moulds
> > > >> thought. From such a view Form becomes dominant against Content.
> > > >>
> > > >> The view seemed very relevant to The Alexandria Quartet at least
> which
> > > >> provides a highly sensory experience and where Form stands out in
> > creating
> > > >> a world which can be viewed as an aesthetic experience.
> > > >>
> > > >> This essay points out that in her novel The Volcano Lover (1992)
> Susan
> > > >> Sontag seems to modify or question her earlier view of literature
> as a
> > > >> purely aesthetic experience which need not be interpreted through
> > > >> analysis.
> > > >>
> > > >> "For all that has been said so far, then, I believe that "The
> Volcano
> > > >> Lover" can be read as an instance of slippage from Sontag?s former
> > > >> Formalist stand. Firstly, through the ironic narrativization of the
> > > >> Cavaliere?s totalizing aesthetic views, I think that she actually
> > mocks
> > > >> the
> > > >> hermeticism of her own appraoch to the literary text,* according to
> > which
> > > >> aesthetics should be the only dominant in literature in an attempt
> to
> > > >> reduce it to pure sensorial expression.* Secondly, she explicitly
> > brings
> > > >> into her text the theme of the ex-centrics as well as
> historiographic
> > > >> events from a critical viewpoint, lending to her narrative an
> > unavoidable
> > > >> ideological twist and thus contesting her views as expressed in
> > ?Against
> > > >> Interpretation? that the novel cannot be taken as a social,
> political
> > or
> > > >> cultural declaration about the world."
> > > >>
> > > >> Sumantra Nag
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >> Message: 2
> > > >> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:24:05 -0700
> > > >> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net <mailto:
> bredwine1968@
> > earthlink.net>>
> > > >> To: Sumantra Nag <ilds at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>>
> > > >> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net <mailto:bredwine1968@
> > earthlink.net>>, Gulshan Taneja
> > > >>         <grtaneja at gmail.com <mailto:grtaneja at gmail.com>>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [ilds] Susan Sontag: literature as a purely sensorial
> > > >>         experience
> > > >> Message-ID: <8554BA07-7AE0-4E5F-AE5B-E141546D3DDC at earthlink.net
> > <mailto:8554BA07-7AE0-4E5F-AE5B-E141546D3DDC at earthlink.net>>
> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > >>
> > > >> Good to hear from Sumantra again.  I too have not read Sontag?s
> > Volcano
> > > >> Lover (1992), but her early statement that literature (mainly
> fiction
> > > >> probably) is form over content is rather strange.  This is an
> > Aristotelean
> > > >> argument taken out of the Poetics (recall Aristotle?s analysis of
> > Oedipus
> > > >> Rex).  What?s strange is that Sontag is known primarily for her
> > essays, her
> > > >> ideas.  With respect to Durrell, I?d put him somewhere that
> straddles
> > form
> > > >> and content.  Form in the sense of his poetry, his creation of his
> own
> > > >> sensory world, which, as Sumantra says, ?can be viewed as an
> aesthetic
> > > >> experience.?  His ideas, however, are equally important?especially
> to
> > > >> Durrell himself.  We?ve talked about the European ?novel of ideas.?
> > I?d
> > > >> put him in that tradition, probably mainly in that tradition.
> > Durrell had
> > > >> a philosophy, however vague.  Whole books have been devoted to that
> > > >> subject:  Richard Pine?s Mindscape (2005) and C. Ravindran Nambiar?s
> > Indian
> > > >> Metaphysics in Lawrence Durrell?s Novels (2!
> > > >>  014).  Ray Morrison on Durrell?s Taoism is also relevant?A Smile in
> > His
> > > >> Mind?s Eye (2005).
> > > >>
> > > >> Bruce
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> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> To: Sumantra Nag <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [ilds] Indian Metaphysics
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> Ravi,
>
> Well, we all misinterpret?ourselves, one another, everything else.  That?s
> inevitable.  That?s the nature of things.  And that?s also a big part of
> literary criticism and why it?s interesting and fun to engage in.  I have
> an interest in philosophy, and what you offer as an interpretation of
> Durrell?s work will take time to digest.  Yours is a profound discussion;
> it deals with the nature of reality.  All of which is entirely suitable to
> a discussion of Durrell?s life and work.  I wonder, however, what is
> exactly the relationship between philosophy and literature.  Is the latter
> a proper vehicle for the former?  Speaking presumptuously, I think the
> success of the Quartet depends on literature, whereas the lack of success
> of the Quintet depends on philosophy.  This is tentative, of course.  So
> more later.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:22 PM, Ravi Nambiar <cnncravi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce
> > Thanks for your advice to continue. It is too risky, but. Much gets lost
> in utterance or you are wrongly received at the other end. I don't think a
> subject like dualism and non-dualism can be explained that easily, that too
> with a limited knowledge of them. All that I was trying to hint at was that
> there there are deeper things in the Quartet and the novel cannot easily be
> kept aside by merely enjoying its form.
> > Let us leave aside dualism and non-dualism for a while, and substitute
> them with words like particular and general, very familiar terms in
> Durrell. When we are at the subjective level, we get stuck at the
> particular (my Justine, my Melissa). When you reach a stage capable of
> discovering the essence of all particulars, and realize the meaninglessness
> (absurdity) in getting stuck at the particular, we (Darleys) realize a
> different reality (heraldic universe). In Durrell's world, the shift in the
> inner self (growth?) corresponds to the shift in the perception of reality,
> from reality to metareality (Livia). Sankara is useful here. Dualism means
> two, but non-dualism means not two. I don't know whether we can call it
> One. We say I and non-I. Does non-I mean we? Durrell repeatedly reminds us
> that novel should be bliss-side up. The non-I stage, the non-dual stage
> (Affad), takes you to a state of bliss (Ananda)--thou art that, I am lived
> by the It, etc. Durrell is of the belief th!
>  at this journey can be achieved only through the flesh (Tantra). About
> your other point, Darley is only a sample; a drop under the microscope;
> everyone grows. What impact Darley has made in the life of others around
> him is not much discussed in the novel, as what others have done to Darley
> is narrated. My views are only tentative, Bruce. One should never
> misinterpret.
> > Regards
> > Ravi
> >
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> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at gmail.com>
> To: Sumantra Nag <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at gmail.com>
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> True.  But we can try.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > And let's recall that "Though you a whole infinity may take / You''ll
> not unravel the entire mosaic" (p.xiv). - A lapidary warning to the
> arrogant fuckers who think they can explain LD.
> > RP
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Bruce Redwine <
> bredwine1968 at earthlink.net <mailto:bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> > Yes, we share the same response.  CVG is a very good finish to Durrell?s
> oeuvre.  I like the beginning, the poetic description and the
> recapitulation of some of his persistent themes.  The poems are cryptic and
> beautiful; the last one is particularly sad and beautiful.  Durrell?s humor
> also comes through.  A critic in 1960 said that finishing the Quartet left
> him bereft and saddened.  I finished CVG, heard that ?disenfranchised last
> goodbye,? and felt that I had lost a lifelong friend.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Denise Tart & David Green <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dtart at bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've just finished reading Caesar's Vast Ghost, Durrell's last book. I
> can't comment on its monism or dualism but I will say it is an amiable and
> enjoyable ramble through the history, landscape and other aspects of
> Provence where Larry lived for over thirty years. His gentle talent as a
> historian is not discussed enough and the way he blends history with his
> knowledge of literature, local customs and poetic descriptions is a
> wonderful kind of polyism that is found in other works of his.  Durrell
> intersperses the text with his poems which provide unusual stopping points
> and reflective moments. As his last book, it is a great summary of his
> themes and concerns including urbanisation and environmental damage. His
> whole past into the present idea is explored well as some of the people and
> histories which formed the basis of the Avignon Quintet.  I wish now I had
> read it before I went to Provence last year and visited Mas Michel and the
> house at Sommieres. Now I'll have to go !
>  aga!
> >> in. Is Durrell, is good.
> >>
> >> David Whitewine.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
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> >
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