From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com  Mon May 23 17:17:40 2016
From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 17:17:40 -0700
Subject: [ilds] Revolt and Benedicta
In-Reply-To: <3A192FCB-BA42-430F-A887-D530E82CC13F@earthlink.net>
References: <A65D9C5B-F010-492A-9600-662EE378405B@gmail.com>
	<3A192FCB-BA42-430F-A887-D530E82CC13F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CANDhJnScXggBh=W_+j4pE58sKsxr2RCduOHY4FeRQmeqhPpLhA@mail.gmail.com>

A bit more than halfway:

* Vibart?s wife?s name is Pia ? a cameo appearance for that character name
? and

* Polis is also ?unmanning? to Felix just as his home town of Eastbourne
was ? Freudian

But here?s something maybe more interesting: unlike Durrell, Felix has no
money worries! ?She simply drew money as one draws breath?I woke up to find
that I too was in the same situation.? He might be telling us: yes, even as
a world famous novelist I am waiting for checks to arrive while I build my
walls from local stones and enjoy vin ordinaire ? but Claude & I are truly
happy, unlike Felix and Benedicta!

- Ken


On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Pick and choose your metaphors.  Spears or straws, swords or bayonets.  As
> far as preferences go, there?s no point in disputing them, as the Latin tag
> goes.  I too like Chaucer?s Pardoner and Milton?s Satan.  But this exchange
> also seems to be a discussion on critical method.  Lawrence Durrell loved
> irony and made much of the fact, so Benedicta and Felix got names that
> meant their opposite as their characters unfold.  Durrell had method and
> madness.  He was no slouch.  He expected his readers to pick up on his
> whims and amusements, excessive erudition being one of them, to wit, the
> reference to the Iceni.  Durrell liked to take leaps, like Sipple jumping
> off the Acropolis or Sacrapant diving off a minaret.  (Both places are
> religious sanctuaries, surely no accident.)  I think such leaps presume a
> leap of critical faith.  Still, we may not want to go all the way, just as
> Durrell restrained himself in real life.  I always see him balancing on the
> edge, daring himself, as daughter Sappho Jane decried.  As to the ?Revolt?
> itself, dunno, I just dunno. Someone will have to explain that to me.  In
> the meantime, I?ll join Felix in his rowboat.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2016, at 3:31 AM, Sam Kirshaw <samkirshaw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From Bruce Redwine the following riposte to my comments:
>
> *Sam Kirshaw certainly has a (deliberately?) provocative take on Benedicta
> (whose name I initially took to mean ?well spoken? or some such).  I would
> not go so far as to say she?s more real than Io or Justine or Melissa.  In
> fact, I don?t much care for her character.  Durrell, however, seems to have
> other ideas.  So, ?this slender woman riding down upon us like some drunken
> queen of the Iceni? (p. 158; 3.2).  The Iceni were a Celtic tribe during
> the Roman Period.  Tacitus mentions them.  Their queen Boudica led a revolt
> against the Romans.  ?Benedicta? plays on ?Boudica??  Possibly.  Hence,
> ?The Revolt of Aphrodite??  Dunno.  I just tend to see her as simply
> revolting, doubled-toed and all.  Still, I understand the attraction of
> ?revoltingness.?*
>
> I am minded of my godfather?s pre-meal ritual whose brevity is laden with
> a heavy irony. ?Benedictus benedicat?. The blessed blesses. Such are the
> benefits of going to a grammar school that was more like a public school in
> its traditions. But I rather think it is clutching at spears to try to
> forge a link between Benedicta and Boudicca. One doesn?t have to ?like?
> Benedicta to appreciate her. Many Durrell characters are unlikeable but
> unerringly fascinating. Perhaps it is the out-at-elbows reaction to the
> wealth and spoiled upbringing of this slender woman that causes such
> alienation.
>
> As to the revolt itself, one must first, perhaps, look at the nature of
> the goddess, not perhaps the most savoury joker in the Pantheon. After all,
> her nonsense with Paris led to the epoch of Greek militarist bullies
> dominating the Aegean and doing unto Troy what would later be done by the
> Romans to Carthage. So is the revolt an outer or an inner revolution?
> Centrifugal or centripetal? And in the end is the destruction of the
> contracts the end of the capitalist firm or merely its demonstration of how
> it is woven into the fabric of the culture?
>
> I am currently at the Nube, that cloaca maxima of aphrodisiac tendencies
> in old Athens, and wondering at the naivety of Samiou Iolanthe. Or is she
> as devious and cunning as Ms Merlin, pimped out for the greater glory of
> the firm?
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160523/5b1292d5/attachment.html>

From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Tue May 24 10:45:07 2016
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 10:45:07 -0700
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Herald no. 35 now available
Message-ID: <2e84a73e-33ac-1e4f-0375-d9e549de8c39@gmail.com>

Dear all,

The Spring 2016 issue of the Herald (no. 35) is now available -- as 
always, tremendous kudos to Pamela Francis (huzzah!!) for her ongoing 
work on this:

http://lawrencedurrell.org/wp_durrell/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/herald35.pdf

You can access this issue and the back issues through the ILDS website 
as well:

http://lawrencedurrell.org/wp_durrell/the-herald/

There are updates on the Crete conference that's rapidly approaching as 
well!

All best,
James

From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com  Tue May 24 16:38:11 2016
From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:38:11 -0700
Subject: [ilds] At about the three fourths mark
Message-ID: <CANDhJnR2opfyGf7rxJDm1xhq2TdDmvGkC=NL_sPGbM946sUtUA@mail.gmail.com>

I am remembering the flow of the entire Revolt at a distance, and I think
I?ve found some interesting foreshadowing: Felix?s hands ?riffled the
colored pages of a weekly magazine which dealt with Iolanthe?s new conjugal
life in a turreted Hollywood mansion bearing a fair resemblance to
?Cathay.??

Along with ??the emptiness of the mirror world.?

I hesitate to make the statement because many of you will say ?Of course!?
Like anything is necessarily obvious about these two neglected Durrell
masterpieces, or that they have been discussed at length on the listserv
like the Quartet! So I will say it: the mirrors make me think of a very
powerful, deeply unhinged scene which is coming up very soon, before the
end of Tunc. And Felix is comparing Io?s Hollywood mansion with his own
tragic Gothic pile deep in the English countryside. Of course he?s already
quarreled on the ship with Benedicta about Io.

So these are the two women Felix is tied to. Their triangle (ongoing in the
next book) is at the core and broken heart of this strange tale.

Cheers - Ken

P.S.  My God how D puts his own words into the mouths of his characters!
Not just Felix?s dense Gromboolian narration ? but now this letter from Io
to Graphos that Hippo has intercepted, about ?the sex act misses fire if
there is no psychic click: a membrane has to be broken of which the hymen
is only a parody, a mental hymen.? Pure Durrell along with all these
remembered gnomic utterances from Koepgen. ?The only thing that does not
wear out is time.? Om!

P.P.S. At last I understand the significance of the recording machine: so D
can put more of his words into the characters? mouths verbatim! Like
Marchant: ?I threw myself into this delicious amnesia which only wholesale
bloodspilling can give. Thirsty Gods! What hecatombs of oxen. Hurrah!? Yes,
Felix is listening to ?prints of recent voices,? and Marchant is talking
about ?the war.? That would be WWII I believe, so there goes my thesis that
Durrell doesn?t mention it at all in these books. But compared to the
Quartet and the Quintet, the relative absence is notable.

#
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160524/8b257c89/attachment.html>

From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Wed May 25 08:06:49 2016
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 08:06:49 -0700
Subject: [ilds] At about the three fourths mark
In-Reply-To: <CANDhJnR2opfyGf7rxJDm1xhq2TdDmvGkC=NL_sPGbM946sUtUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANDhJnR2opfyGf7rxJDm1xhq2TdDmvGkC=NL_sPGbM946sUtUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6323EA36-C363-4510-966C-3B97B0B5F60C@earthlink.net>

> P.P.S. At last I understand the significance of the recording machine:  so D can put more of his words into the characters? mouths verbatim!


Ken,

Yes.  And I would go further?Durrell?s characters, particularly the women, are expressions of his own personal experiences. The key sentence in Tunc:  ?Reality is what is most conspicuous by its absence? (p. 14/1.1).  What is that ?reality? beyond the fictional framework?  Durrell?s life.

Bruce


> On May 24, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am remembering the flow of the entire Revolt at a distance, and I think I?ve found some interesting foreshadowing: Felix?s hands ?riffled the colored pages of a weekly magazine which dealt with Iolanthe?s new conjugal life in a turreted Hollywood mansion bearing a fair resemblance to ?Cathay.?? 
> 
> Along with ??the emptiness of the mirror world.?
> 
> I hesitate to make the statement because many of you will say ?Of course!? Like anything is necessarily obvious about these two neglected Durrell masterpieces, or that they have been discussed at length on the listserv like the Quartet! So I will say it: the mirrors make me think of a very powerful, deeply unhinged scene which is coming up very soon, before the end of Tunc. And Felix is comparing Io?s Hollywood mansion with his own tragic Gothic pile deep in the English countryside. Of course he?s already quarreled on the ship with Benedicta about Io.
> 
> So these are the two women Felix is tied to. Their triangle (ongoing in the next book) is at the core and broken heart of this strange tale.
> 
> Cheers - Ken
> 
> P.S.  My God how D puts his own words into the mouths of his characters! Not just Felix?s dense Gromboolian narration ? but now this letter from Io to Graphos that Hippo has intercepted, about ?the sex act misses fire if there is no psychic click: a membrane has to be broken of which the hymen is only a parody, a mental hymen.? Pure Durrell along with all these remembered gnomic utterances from Koepgen. ?The only thing that does not wear out is time.? Om!
> 
> P.P.S. At last I understand the significance of the recording machine: so D can put more of his words into the characters? mouths verbatim! Like Marchant: ?I threw myself into this delicious amnesia which only wholesale bloodspilling can give. Thirsty Gods! What hecatombs of oxen. Hurrah!? Yes, Felix is listening to ?prints of recent voices,? and Marchant is talking about ?the war.? That would be WWII I believe, so there goes my thesis that Durrell doesn?t mention it at all in these books. But compared to the Quartet and the Quintet, the relative absence is notable. 
> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160525/5e920e3b/attachment.html>

From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Wed May 25 14:23:56 2016
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 07:23:56 +1000
Subject: [ilds] At about the three fourths mark
In-Reply-To: <6323EA36-C363-4510-966C-3B97B0B5F60C@earthlink.net>
References: <CANDhJnR2opfyGf7rxJDm1xhq2TdDmvGkC=NL_sPGbM946sUtUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6323EA36-C363-4510-966C-3B97B0B5F60C@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7AC1083D-0420-44AC-9435-22569B3DC934@bigpond.net.au>

The recording machine is Durrell himself. Reality is often the elephant in the room.
I'll bet, Ken, that Felix's gothic pile is modelled on the Sommieres house, the aptly named vampire house. That place is really out of step with his earlier houses and, to me, signifies and symbolises are major shift in the author's moodscape; as Mediterranean sunlight gives way to the gothic darkness of the Avignon Quintet, so Tunc and Nunquam  are novels of this transition.

David

Sent from my iPad

> On 26 May 2016, at 1:06 AM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> P.P.S. At last I understand the significance of the recording machine:  so D can put more of his words into the characters? mouths verbatim!
> 
> 
> Ken,
> 
> Yes.  And I would go further?Durrell?s characters, particularly the women, are expressions of his own personal experiences. The key sentence in Tunc:  ?Reality is what is most conspicuous by its absence? (p. 14/1.1).  What is that ?reality? beyond the fictional framework?  Durrell?s life.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
>> On May 24, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am remembering the flow of the entire Revolt at a distance, and I think I?ve found some interesting foreshadowing: Felix?s hands ?riffled the colored pages of a weekly magazine which dealt with Iolanthe?s new conjugal life in a turreted Hollywood mansion bearing a fair resemblance to ?Cathay.?? 
>> 
>> Along with ??the emptiness of the mirror world.?
>> 
>> I hesitate to make the statement because many of you will say ?Of course!? Like anything is necessarily obvious about these two neglected Durrell masterpieces, or that they have been discussed at length on the listserv like the Quartet! So I will say it: the mirrors make me think of a very powerful, deeply unhinged scene which is coming up very soon, before the end of Tunc. And Felix is comparing Io?s Hollywood mansion with his own tragic Gothic pile deep in the English countryside. Of course he?s already quarreled on the ship with Benedicta about Io.
>> 
>> So these are the two women Felix is tied to. Their triangle (ongoing in the next book) is at the core and broken heart of this strange tale.
>> 
>> Cheers - Ken
>> 
>> P.S.  My God how D puts his own words into the mouths of his characters! Not just Felix?s dense Gromboolian narration ? but now this letter from Io to Graphos that Hippo has intercepted, about ?the sex act misses fire if there is no psychic click: a membrane has to be broken of which the hymen is only a parody, a mental hymen.? Pure Durrell along with all these remembered gnomic utterances from Koepgen. ?The only thing that does not wear out is time.? Om!
>> 
>> P.P.S. At last I understand the significance of the recording machine: so D can put more of his words into the characters? mouths verbatim! Like Marchant: ?I threw myself into this delicious amnesia which only wholesale bloodspilling can give. Thirsty Gods! What hecatombs of oxen. Hurrah!? Yes, Felix is listening to ?prints of recent voices,? and Marchant is talking about ?the war.? That would be WWII I believe, so there goes my thesis that Durrell doesn?t mention it at all in these books. But compared to the Quartet and the Quintet, the relative absence is notable. 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160526/46be0a04/attachment.html>

From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Wed May 25 21:35:11 2016
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 14:35:11 +1000
Subject: [ilds] Count Banubula tells it straight.
Message-ID: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>

Haven't you noticed Charlock that most things in life happen just outside one's range of vision? One has to see them out of the corner of one's eye. And any one thing could effect any number of others? I mean there seem to be always a dozen perfectly appropriate explanations to every phenomenon. That is what makes our reasoning minds so unsatisfactory; and yet, they are all we've got, this shabby piece of equipment."

Count Banubula to Charlock in a bar (of course) p 100 Faber Hardback ed, 1968.

The count maybe right, indeed, this struck me as so true, the big harvest moon you just can't touch. But Charlock has the Dactyl, his Abel or enabler, I Should say.
This book is dotted with such Philosophic gems and obscure Latinate words like crepuscular, part, perhaps of his Mediterranean revolt against northern Saxon verbal 'Puritanism'. Stay with this book, it delivers like the sun slowly rising over a broadening landscape.

David Whitewine

Sent from my iPad

From pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com  Wed May 25 23:59:57 2016
From: pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com (Richard Pine)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 09:59:57 +0300
Subject: [ilds] Count Banubula tells it straight.
In-Reply-To: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>
References: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm interested that you think 'crepuscular' an obscure term. And as you use
the term 'harvest moon' do you know that it was a Victorian codeword for an
uncircumcised penis?
RP

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Denise Tart & David Green <
dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> Haven't you noticed Charlock that most things in life happen just outside
> one's range of vision? One has to see them out of the corner of one's eye.
> And any one thing could effect any number of others? I mean there seem to
> be always a dozen perfectly appropriate explanations to every phenomenon.
> That is what makes our reasoning minds so unsatisfactory; and yet, they are
> all we've got, this shabby piece of equipment."
>
> Count Banubula to Charlock in a bar (of course) p 100 Faber Hardback ed,
> 1968.
>
> The count maybe right, indeed, this struck me as so true, the big harvest
> moon you just can't touch. But Charlock has the Dactyl, his Abel or
> enabler, I Should say.
> This book is dotted with such Philosophic gems and obscure Latinate words
> like crepuscular, part, perhaps of his Mediterranean revolt against
> northern Saxon verbal 'Puritanism'. Stay with this book, it delivers like
> the sun slowly rising over a broadening landscape.
>
> David Whitewine
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160526/00c04c5b/attachment.html>

From bredwine1968 at gmail.com  Thu May 26 08:14:29 2016
From: bredwine1968 at gmail.com (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 08:14:29 -0700
Subject: [ilds] Count Banubula tells it straight.
In-Reply-To: <CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>
	<CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86B76ADF-4194-428E-B418-DC750FCB7CBA@gmail.com>


?Crepuscular? I added to my vocabulary after reading the Quartet at a tender age.  Scobie wanders about Alex under the influence of a ?full moon,? when, presumably, in search of circumscribed or uncircumscribed penises.  He also has an obsession with ?foreskins.?  So Richard has a point.  And maybe all this is part of the ?revolt,? as David mentions.

Bruce


> On May 25, 2016, at 11:59 PM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm interested that you think 'crepuscular' an obscure term. And as you use the term 'harvest moon' do you know that it was a Victorian codeword for an uncircumcised penis?
> RP
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dtart at bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
> Haven't you noticed Charlock that most things in life happen just outside one's range of vision? One has to see them out of the corner of one's eye. And any one thing could effect any number of others? I mean there seem to be always a dozen perfectly appropriate explanations to every phenomenon. That is what makes our reasoning minds so unsatisfactory; and yet, they are all we've got, this shabby piece of equipment."
> 
> Count Banubula to Charlock in a bar (of course) p 100 Faber Hardback ed, 1968.
> 
> The count maybe right, indeed, this struck me as so true, the big harvest moon you just can't touch. But Charlock has the Dactyl, his Abel or enabler, I Should say.
> This book is dotted with such Philosophic gems and obscure Latinate words like crepuscular, part, perhaps of his Mediterranean revolt against northern Saxon verbal 'Puritanism'. Stay with this book, it delivers like the sun slowly rising over a broadening landscape.
> 
> David Whitewine
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160526/78df20de/attachment.html>

From bredwine1968 at gmail.com  Thu May 26 10:57:43 2016
From: bredwine1968 at gmail.com (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 10:57:43 -0700
Subject: [ilds] Count Banubula tells it straight.
In-Reply-To: <86B76ADF-4194-428E-B418-DC750FCB7CBA@gmail.com>
References: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>
	<CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<86B76ADF-4194-428E-B418-DC750FCB7CBA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2364096B-49AE-4A3C-8CC4-1A5FF131F096@gmail.com>

That?s ?circumcised? and ?uncircumcised.?  Here?s Scobie on his foreskin-fixation:   ?The Amalekites used to collect foreskins like we collect stamps.  Funny, isn?t it?? (AQ 1962:  304).

BR





> On May 26, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ?Crepuscular? I added to my vocabulary after reading the Quartet at a tender age.  Scobie wanders about Alex under the influence of a ?full moon,? when, presumably, in search of circumscribed or uncircumscribed penises.  He also has an obsession with ?foreskins.?  So Richard has a point.  And maybe all this is part of the ?revolt,? as David mentions.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2016, at 11:59 PM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com <mailto:pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm interested that you think 'crepuscular' an obscure term. And as you use the term 'harvest moon' do you know that it was a Victorian codeword for an uncircumcised penis?
>> RP
>> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dtart at bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
>> Haven't you noticed Charlock that most things in life happen just outside one's range of vision? One has to see them out of the corner of one's eye. And any one thing could effect any number of others? I mean there seem to be always a dozen perfectly appropriate explanations to every phenomenon. That is what makes our reasoning minds so unsatisfactory; and yet, they are all we've got, this shabby piece of equipment."
>> 
>> Count Banubula to Charlock in a bar (of course) p 100 Faber Hardback ed, 1968.
>> 
>> The count maybe right, indeed, this struck me as so true, the big harvest moon you just can't touch. But Charlock has the Dactyl, his Abel or enabler, I Should say.
>> This book is dotted with such Philosophic gems and obscure Latinate words like crepuscular, part, perhaps of his Mediterranean revolt against northern Saxon verbal 'Puritanism'. Stay with this book, it delivers like the sun slowly rising over a broadening landscape.
>> 
>> David Whitewine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160526/34303241/attachment.html>

From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Thu May 26 16:06:40 2016
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:06:40 +1000
Subject: [ilds] Count Banubula tells it straight.
In-Reply-To: <CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>
	<CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA279B00-2E93-4520-B87C-6ABE4AA10E2C@bigpond.net.au>

I would say there are many who have never encountered this word. Certainly the modern novelists and writers in English tend not to use such terms and my friends do at the pub would look at me strangely if I describe the dusk as crepuscular. As to the term 'harvest moon' being a Victorian code word for a normal nob, I had no idea. But thanks, I keep for the right moment and let it go. Anyway, there a writers one can read without recourse to a dictionary and writers for whom such recourse is on Occassion necessary. Durrell is one of the later and this is a good thing. Years ago I saw a French film called in English 'A Very Long Engagement. The World War One French soldiers called their trench 'Bingo Crepuscule'. At first I though it a joke name. Then I looked up Crepuscule and it made sense. Live and learn.

David 

Sent from my iPad

> On 26 May 2016, at 4:59 PM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm interested that you think 'crepuscular' an obscure term. And as you use the term 'harvest moon' do you know that it was a Victorian codeword for an uncircumcised penis?
> RP
> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> Haven't you noticed Charlock that most things in life happen just outside one's range of vision? One has to see them out of the corner of one's eye. And any one thing could effect any number of others? I mean there seem to be always a dozen perfectly appropriate explanations to every phenomenon. That is what makes our reasoning minds so unsatisfactory; and yet, they are all we've got, this shabby piece of equipment."
>> 
>> Count Banubula to Charlock in a bar (of course) p 100 Faber Hardback ed, 1968.
>> 
>> The count maybe right, indeed, this struck me as so true, the big harvest moon you just can't touch. But Charlock has the Dactyl, his Abel or enabler, I Should say.
>> This book is dotted with such Philosophic gems and obscure Latinate words like crepuscular, part, perhaps of his Mediterranean revolt against northern Saxon verbal 'Puritanism'. Stay with this book, it delivers like the sun slowly rising over a broadening landscape.
>> 
>> David Whitewine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> ILDS mailing list
>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160527/f5c41539/attachment.html>

From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Thu May 26 19:27:47 2016
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 19:27:47 -0700
Subject: [ilds] Count Banubula tells it straight.
In-Reply-To: <DA279B00-2E93-4520-B87C-6ABE4AA10E2C@bigpond.net.au>
References: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>
	<CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DA279B00-2E93-4520-B87C-6ABE4AA10E2C@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <CEBDF0DB-CFBB-4298-8085-F84B56E534B5@earthlink.net>

David, back to your original point about Durrell?s Latinate vocabulary as a ?revolt? against the Englishness of his era (the Auden diction).  I think there?s something to that, although his diction changes from work to work (look at the opening to Sicilian Carousel).  I also think he was strongly influenced by Renaissance English (his ?Elizas? in particular), during which period occurred the greatest influx of Latin borrowings (about 12,000 according to Baugh and Cable?s History of the English Language, 3rd ed.).  Durrell?s Latinate prose is sonorous and can be likened to Thomas Browne?s, especially works like Urn Burial.

Bruce




> On May 26, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> 
> I would say there are many who have never encountered this word. Certainly the modern novelists and writers in English tend not to use such terms and my friends do at the pub would look at me strangely if I describe the dusk as crepuscular. As to the term 'harvest moon' being a Victorian code word for a normal nob, I had no idea. But thanks, I keep for the right moment and let it go. Anyway, there a writers one can read without recourse to a dictionary and writers for whom such recourse is on Occassion necessary. Durrell is one of the later and this is a good thing. Years ago I saw a French film called in English 'A Very Long Engagement. The World War One French soldiers called their trench 'Bingo Crepuscule'. At first I though it a joke name. Then I looked up Crepuscule and it made sense. Live and learn.
> 
> David 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 26 May 2016, at 4:59 PM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com <mailto:pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I'm interested that you think 'crepuscular' an obscure term. And as you use the term 'harvest moon' do you know that it was a Victorian codeword for an uncircumcised penis?
>> RP
>> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dtart at bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
>> Haven't you noticed Charlock that most things in life happen just outside one's range of vision? One has to see them out of the corner of one's eye. And any one thing could effect any number of others? I mean there seem to be always a dozen perfectly appropriate explanations to every phenomenon. That is what makes our reasoning minds so unsatisfactory; and yet, they are all we've got, this shabby piece of equipment."
>> 
>> Count Banubula to Charlock in a bar (of course) p 100 Faber Hardback ed, 1968.
>> 
>> The count maybe right, indeed, this struck me as so true, the big harvest moon you just can't touch. But Charlock has the Dactyl, his Abel or enabler, I Should say.
>> This book is dotted with such Philosophic gems and obscure Latinate words like crepuscular, part, perhaps of his Mediterranean revolt against northern Saxon verbal 'Puritanism'. Stay with this book, it delivers like the sun slowly rising over a broadening landscape.
>> 
>> David Whitewine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160526/ec73ece3/attachment.html>

From marc at marcpiel.fr  Thu May 26 23:40:30 2016
From: marc at marcpiel.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 08:40:30 +0200
Subject: [ilds] Count Banubula tells it straight.
In-Reply-To: <DA279B00-2E93-4520-B87C-6ABE4AA10E2C@bigpond.net.au>
References: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>
	<CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DA279B00-2E93-4520-B87C-6ABE4AA10E2C@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <E616F6F5-0F96-4953-A781-0E36FB65F509@marcpiel.fr>

"Crepuscule" is still a commun word in Fernch!
Marc

Le 27 mai 2016 ? 01:06, Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au> a ?crit :

I would say there are many who have never encountered this word. Certainly the modern novelists and writers in English tend not to use such terms and my friends do at the pub would look at me strangely if I describe the dusk as crepuscular. As to the term 'harvest moon' being a Victorian code word for a normal nob, I had no idea. But thanks, I keep for the right moment and let it go. Anyway, there a writers one can read without recourse to a dictionary and writers for whom such recourse is on Occassion necessary. Durrell is one of the later and this is a good thing. Years ago I saw a French film called in English 'A Very Long Engagement. The World War One French soldiers called their trench 'Bingo Crepuscule'. At first I though it a joke name. Then I looked up Crepuscule and it made sense. Live and learn.

David 

Sent from my iPad

> On 26 May 2016, at 4:59 PM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm interested that you think 'crepuscular' an obscure term. And as you use the term 'harvest moon' do you know that it was a Victorian codeword for an uncircumcised penis?
> RP
> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> Haven't you noticed Charlock that most things in life happen just outside one's range of vision? One has to see them out of the corner of one's eye. And any one thing could effect any number of others? I mean there seem to be always a dozen perfectly appropriate explanations to every phenomenon. That is what makes our reasoning minds so unsatisfactory; and yet, they are all we've got, this shabby piece of equipment."
>> 
>> Count Banubula to Charlock in a bar (of course) p 100 Faber Hardback ed, 1968.
>> 
>> The count maybe right, indeed, this struck me as so true, the big harvest moon you just can't touch. But Charlock has the Dactyl, his Abel or enabler, I Should say.
>> This book is dotted with such Philosophic gems and obscure Latinate words like crepuscular, part, perhaps of his Mediterranean revolt against northern Saxon verbal 'Puritanism'. Stay with this book, it delivers like the sun slowly rising over a broadening landscape.
>> 
>> David Whitewine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> ILDS mailing list
>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds

_______________________________________________
ILDS mailing list
ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160527/5f00745d/attachment.html>

From pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com  Fri May 27 02:19:28 2016
From: pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com (Richard Pine)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 12:19:28 +0300
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Herald no. 35 now available
In-Reply-To: <2e84a73e-33ac-1e4f-0375-d9e549de8c39@gmail.com>
References: <2e84a73e-33ac-1e4f-0375-d9e549de8c39@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVum0JxHYfQPOXrGX=A19VDvCJ+-jgW9-YYbDsrKQjKZqzr8w@mail.gmail.com>

The Herald refers to the ILDS bibliography of LD - however, this dates from
2007, so it is almost a decade out-of-date.
Also, Grove Koger refers to two letters from  LD to Marie Aspioti : I think
these are already in the public domain in Panos Karagiorgos (ed.) "Lawrence
Durrell and the Greek World" (2000), not to be confused with Anna Lillios'
collection with the same title.
RP

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:45 PM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The Spring 2016 issue of the Herald (no. 35) is now available -- as
> always, tremendous kudos to Pamela Francis (huzzah!!) for her ongoing work
> on this:
>
>
> http://lawrencedurrell.org/wp_durrell/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/herald35.pdf
>
> You can access this issue and the back issues through the ILDS website as
> well:
>
> http://lawrencedurrell.org/wp_durrell/the-herald/
>
> There are updates on the Crete conference that's rapidly approaching as
> well!
>
> All best,
> James
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160527/1de50703/attachment.html>

From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Fri May 27 09:57:31 2016
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:57:31 -0700
Subject: [ilds] Durrell bibliography
Message-ID: <d5d86016-ce09-2e89-b25a-ccd6665fa2a5@gmail.com>

Dear all,

A quick reminder from discussions on the listserv back in 2011.

The Online Critical Bibliography has been managed through Zotero for the 
past six years, which gives it a searchable online interface.  This is a 
constantly updated project to collect a bibliography on Lawrence Durrell 
in order to aid scholars in locating materials. The primary focus is to 
gather critical materials concerning Lawrence Durrell?s works; however, 
a list of rarer works by Durrell, initial publication of his major work, 
review articles, and his own critical publications are included:

   http://lawrencedurrell.org/wp_durrell/critical-bibliography/

The checksheet is a legacy set of materials and was generated from 
bibliography software in the first place.  The ideal way to interact 
with the data is through the offline Zotero application, but the web 
interface has access to all the same information and should be easy to use.

The latest updates were May 19th, 2016.

As always, contact James Clawson or myself through that page to note 
updates.  We're particularly keen to include critical materials on 
Durrell from outside English language publications.

This really is the appropriate time to search for your own name and let 
us know what we've missed!

All best,
James

From chamberlinkw at gmail.com  Sun May 29 08:32:32 2016
From: chamberlinkw at gmail.com (Brewster Chamberlin)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 11:32:32 -0400
Subject: [ilds] Count Banubula tells it straight.
In-Reply-To: <E616F6F5-0F96-4953-A781-0E36FB65F509@marcpiel.fr>
References: <935AE766-EC5D-45C9-9FF0-C3C578C12A1D@bigpond.net.au>
	<CAEVum0+ncRnYoSxM1531yS52vAaSidSnT8B1nvVGwPua_9Ke1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DA279B00-2E93-4520-B87C-6ABE4AA10E2C@bigpond.net.au>
	<E616F6F5-0F96-4953-A781-0E36FB65F509@marcpiel.fr>
Message-ID: <CAHKkApmusXFPuxH-sid=unCWR_OM01BYFkwOkSdzm=Sf26q=kw@mail.gmail.com>

Crepuscule is a common word in American English as well. I use it quite
commonly. And think of Monk's beautiful song "Crepuscule with Nellie"!
Brewster

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 2:40 AM, Marc Piel <marc at marcpiel.fr> wrote:

> "Crepuscule" is still a commun word in Fernch!
> Marc
>
> Le 27 mai 2016 ? 01:06, Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> a ?crit :
>
> I would say there are many who have never encountered this word. Certainly
> the modern novelists and writers in English tend not to use such terms and
> my friends do at the pub would look at me strangely if I describe the dusk
> as crepuscular. As to the term 'harvest moon' being a Victorian code word
> for a normal nob, I had no idea. But thanks, I keep for the right moment
> and let it go. Anyway, there a writers one can read without recourse to a
> dictionary and writers for whom such recourse is on Occassion necessary.
> Durrell is one of the later and this is a good thing. Years ago I saw a
> French film called in English 'A Very Long Engagement. The World War One
> French soldiers called their trench 'Bingo Crepuscule'. At first I though
> it a joke name. Then I looked up Crepuscule and it made sense. Live and
> learn.
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 26 May 2016, at 4:59 PM, Richard Pine <pinedurrellcorfu at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm interested that you think 'crepuscular' an obscure term. And as you
> use the term 'harvest moon' do you know that it was a Victorian codeword
> for an uncircumcised penis?
> RP
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Denise Tart & David Green <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Haven't you noticed Charlock that most things in life happen just outside
>> one's range of vision? One has to see them out of the corner of one's eye.
>> And any one thing could effect any number of others? I mean there seem to
>> be always a dozen perfectly appropriate explanations to every phenomenon.
>> That is what makes our reasoning minds so unsatisfactory; and yet, they are
>> all we've got, this shabby piece of equipment."
>>
>> Count Banubula to Charlock in a bar (of course) p 100 Faber Hardback ed,
>> 1968.
>>
>> The count maybe right, indeed, this struck me as so true, the big harvest
>> moon you just can't touch. But Charlock has the Dactyl, his Abel or
>> enabler, I Should say.
>> This book is dotted with such Philosophic gems and obscure Latinate words
>> like crepuscular, part, perhaps of his Mediterranean revolt against
>> northern Saxon verbal 'Puritanism'. Stay with this book, it delivers like
>> the sun slowly rising over a broadening landscape.
>>
>> David Whitewine
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> ILDS mailing list
>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20160529/8a3dde76/attachment.html>