[ilds] Mr. esposito

Denise Tart & David Green dtart at bigpond.net.au
Thu Mar 24 16:05:17 PDT 2016


James,

Keats died of tuberculosis at the age of 25.

Yes, it is easy to read too much into things. A writers subconscious is a remote galaxy hard to explore. However, we do know a lot about Durrell's reading matter and his literary and spiritual influences. Nonetheless,  your words remind me of a poem:

"To think about poetry
While writing poetry
Can lead to bad writing.
Being immersed in washing up
Is enough.
Thinking may not add
But subtract;
Like taking one's consciousness
Too seriously."

Teaching English Lit for enjoyment rather than critical analysis or endless deconstruction, now there's a new thing. I have often wondered if Shakespeare would appear so brilliant had he not been subjected to 400 years of critical analysis by thousands of people?

But James I am sure glad I am not a practising academic; they sure cop it on this list-serve. I am surprise professor James Gifford has not abjured the world and gone into the shadows.

David


Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Mar 2016, at 9:32 AM, james Esposito <giacomoesposito72 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I perhaps did not make myself clear on the subject of Durrell's relationship to the modernists. Of course he was well aware of the Eliots, Huxleys, etc, but what I meant was that we should not necessarily assume 'the anxiety of influence' - the fact that there are echoes of Eliot etc in Durrell's work does not allow us to infer that he deliberately set out to imitate them or to make obvious references to them - merely that, as a (still) apprentice writer in the first 2 novels he was setting out his own stall, not theirs.
> And as for Keats, if I remember correctly, he got killed.
> As for the mud bricks, I think it's completely far-fetched to read political persuasions into the fact that Durrell referred to a basic building material. They were just mud-bricks, not political slogans.
> I think there is far too much time and effort spent on trying to analyse what Durrell may or may not have ingested into his writer's subconscious. It may be an amusing pastime for academics, but they should be teaching their students how to enjoy texts and not how to tear them apart. It isn't 'hunting of the snark' territory.
> James Esposito
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Ric Wilson <Ric.Wilson at msn.com> wrote:
>> Cheers to your perspective! That was a surprise and well received.
>> 
>> Ric Wilson
>> 
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>>    1. Re: Wordspinners (james Esposito)
>>    2. Re: Wordspinners (James Gifford)
>>    3. Re: Wordspinners (Bruce Redwine)
>>    4. Re: Wordspinners (Kennedy Gammage)
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>> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 12:06:45 +0200
>> From: james Esposito <giacomoesposito72 at gmail.com>
>> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>> Subject: Re: [ilds] Wordspinners
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>> I do not have access to "Deus Loci" - I first became aware of Durrell's
>> "Minor Mythologies" in Pine's book "Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape" where
>> he says:
>> 
>> 
>> A further characteristic of Durrell?s understanding of the nineteenth
>> century was his refusal to build his house exclusively on the plane of
>> ?high? literature, and his insistence instead on pursuing it through major
>> and minor modes. Thus his own adventure novel *White Eagles over Serbia*,
>> written in the Buchanesque style of so much of his early reading, combines
>> elements of the detective story and the grail quest. (In the *Quartet*
>> Darley criticises the writing of the much-envied Pursewarden: ?what is
>> missing in his work - but this is a criticism of all works which do not
>> reach the front rank - is a sense of play? - *Quartet* 670.) It is a genre
>> he much admired, for example relishing the Quixote-Panza relationship of
>> Wodehouse?s Wooster and Jeeves (we have already seen him imagining himself
>> as a new Wodehouse). He saw Wooster in descent from ?the great Knights of
>> the Romance pattern?, saying ?he is a knight in the sense that he is a
>> gentleman absolute. He can do no evil. It is the terrific responsibility of
>> wasting time amusingly that exhausts him so? <#_ftn1>? a remarkable insight
>> into the preoccupations of the one-time dandy faced with all the burdens of
>> decadence. (In the same frame of mind he might have held the image of
>> Scobie as ?Popeye the Sailor Man? and Nessim as the ?chevalier sans
>> peur? ? *Quartet
>> *549.) In the same essay, ?The Minor Mythologies?, Durrell made the case
>> for considering the characters of minor fiction in the same critical
>> bracket:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The myth-making faculty is busy at many different levels; a critic
>> interested in the creative process may find more food for thought in a
>> Stephen Daedelus [*sic*] than in a Jeeves.Yet he should be prepared to
>> acknowledge them both as part of the broad flood of a nation?s literature
>> flowing out towards the future, to the sea. Many readers might think it a
>> waste of time but how delightful a book on the minor mythologies of the age
>> could be made if one could persuade a serious critic to consider its
>> figures... Holmes, Jeeves, Dr Fu Manchu, Captain Blood, Bulldog Drummond,
>> Raffles, Bones, Captain Nemo, Frankenstein, Dracula. <#_ftn2>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Durrell himself displayed this ability to give due attention to major and
>> minor, firstly in the creation of his own ?minor? canon in works like *White
>> Eagles* (which he regarded as ?makeweights?) or in some of the apparently
>> inconsequential characters of the island books. Secondly, in his ?major?
>> works, Durrell, like Kipling, brought the great and the insignificant into
>> close and urgent contact (he called the *Quartet *?such a strange mixture
>> of sex and the secret service!? *SP* 120), so much so as to make us enquire
>> at what point a character gains or loses cardinal significance: for
>> example, the nameless loader who appears and disappears within one
>> paragraph of the *Quartet* after the supposed death of Capodistria (*Quartet
>> *76- 7), or Krov, the ?slave-prisoner? of General von Esslin (*Quintet*
>> 877-83), take on a vital role illustrative of some mythological level far
>> out of proportion to their social or narrative function, precisely because
>> that function is not part of the cultural values Durrell shared with the
>> nineteenth century. Durrell employed this kind of simplicity as a means of
>> communication ? one he particularly valued in the ?minor mythologies? ?
>> because it made the reader an accomplice at the deepest level of
>> story-telling at which the primitive, as opposed to the sophisticated,
>> method of narrative is revealed as the more effective bonding mechanism of
>> society: <#_ftn3> think of Pater?s Marius: ?his life had been so like the
>> reading of a romance to him?, <#_ftn4>or, as Groddeck put it in *The Book
>> of the It*, ?read [my letters] as though they were travel books or
>> detective stories?. <#_ftn5> It was thus possible to engage not only in
>> narration but also in analysis without the reader becoming aware of the
>> ulterior project.
>> 
>> Writing of Wells?s *The Time Machine* and Rider Haggard?s *She* which,
>> Durrell said, embodied for the Victorians ?the great popular myths of the
>> age?, he made a case (in the latter instance by tracing that myth through
>> the Prester John legends to de Mandeville) for these and other ?great
>> folk-metaphors? (Frankenstein, Dracula and Jekyll/Hyde), that ?their
>> literary ancestry stretches far back into the age of the magicians and
>> miracles?. <#_ftn6> This resort to the *merveilleux* and the miraculous is
>> one of the trademarks of the baroque novelist, and was an integral part not
>> only of Durrell?s technique but also of his faith in the novel. He made a
>> critical connection between gothic narrative and the myths of magic,
>> showing us that the modern juxtaposition and interaction of science and art
>> is merely another form of an all-embracing philosophy told, like so much of
>> Buddhism, through the visions and spectacles of everyday life. Quotidian
>> activity, rather than the characters who enact it, has its own characters.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thus it is easier to spell out the ?miracle?, the successful d?nouement, if
>> it is already anticipated as part of the reader?s act of faith within the
>> act of reading <#_ftn7> It would only be with the *c?sura* after the
>> *Quartet* that this faith hit the rocks of Durrell?s despair. To the genre
>> of adventure in *Kim* we can add Durrell?s childhood introduction to the
>> works of Dickens and, on the evidence of *Pied Piper of Lovers*, Henty,
>> Ballantyne and Dumas (*PPL* 124, 192). Durrell?s library contained several
>> examples of Buchan?s work, together with volumes of Baroness Orczy and
>> Anthony Hope <#_ftn8> and he often referred to Wodehouse as an important
>> example of subversive humour ? a technique he put to use not only in the
>> ?Antrobus? pictures from diplomatic life but also in the structure and
>> texture of *The Revolt* (indeed, as I shall demonstrate in Part 4, there is
>> an organic connection between the two types of writing).
>> 
>> Milan Kundera makes the point that a novel requires four special ?appeals?:
>> those of ?play?, ?dream?, ?thought? and ?time?, <#_ftn9> and it is
>> important to note that it is the combination of seriousness of intent with
>> lightness of touch which gives Durrell?s fiction its onward drive: while he
>> is capable of arresting our attention with some lapidary insight into the
>> human condition, the dynamic in the reader?s mind is the question ?what
>> happens next??. The book must be a place of intellectual excitement which
>> is leavened by the idea of life-as-a-game.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------
>> 
>> Apologies for such a long quote but some on this list may not have Pine's
>> book, which I understand is hard to find in the second edition.
>> 
>> I would only add to that that I don't agree with Professor Gifford about
>> Durrell writing "Panic Spring" "to emulate the formal effects of the high
>> modernists". In my opinion, he wrote it (with a pseudonym) as an attempt to
>> make a Greek-island novel using the tools available to him, which did not
>> include any deep understanding of the modernists, high or low.
>> 
>> Maybe I'm ill-versed, but I don't get the rhetoric about the mud bricks.
>> 
>> James Esposito
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 8:03 AM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > It's worth noting that thanks to Charles Sligh's excellent editorial work,
>> > we have Durrell's thoughts on the matter in "The Minor Mythologies" (Deus
>> > Loci NS 7 1999-2000). He's certainly not dismissive of "lowbrow"
>> > entertainments. Sligh notes it as a "multiform, anti-departmental approach
>> > to literary production," and I think I'd go along a long way with that. And
>> > after all, Old D wrote the last 3 volumes of The Quartet at top speed. And
>> > for money too... Even early on he wrote to emulate the formal effects of
>> > the high modernists in Panic Spring, and under a pseudonym, which certainly
>> > wasn't a good plan to make easy money fast.
>> >
>> > I'd note that the same Hope Mirrlees who gave the world the remarkable and
>> > experimental "Paris: A Poem" also wrote the fantasy novel Lud-In-The-Mist.
>> > I think we'd be foolish not to see a careful mind at work in both texts
>> > just as we'd be foolish to exclude the material exigencies of their
>> > production. Then again, I've written critical work on comic books...
>> >
>> > I'll stand by the mud brick in this case, even if I don't roll in the muck.
>> >
>> > All best,
>> > James
>> >
>> > Ps: great to have your contribution James (Esposito)!
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On Mar 19, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Denise Tart & David Green <
>> > dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >
>> > Having written commercially myself, I think it is easy, at least for me,
>> > to write with more than one head, so to speak. Writing for magazines and
>> > journals to a deadline for pay, sometimes good pay, requires a different
>> > mind cast to producing a a good poem; that comes from another place. As a
>> > writer Durrell was across multiple genres and wrote for diverse audiences
>> > but I agree with Bruce that whether dashing off a potboiler, a travel book
>> > or a great novel cycle, the strength and beauty of Durrell's poetry comes
>> > through them all, yes even Sicilian Carousel, an underrated book in my
>> > view. As an actor can play many parts, so can a writer but something of his
>> > essence flavours them all.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On 20 Mar 2016, at 6:05 AM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Excellent response.  This is the real issue--what's the relationship
>> > between Durrell as serious writer and Durrell as hack, greedy or not?  I
>> > see the two as directly related, with varying degrees of importance.  A
>> > good writer doesn't stop being a good writer simply because he or she
>> > writes to make money.  Durrell's Sicilian book and the one on the Greek
>> > islands were both written mainly to make money, and he even disparaged the
>> > former as something of a potboiler.  Both books, however, have many
>> > excellent sections and are relevant to his "serious" work and to the man
>> > himself.  I would add the Antrobus stories, along with the "ephemeral"
>> > pieces, to his body of work.
>> >
>> > Also, Durrell's commentary on his own habits/objectives should be taken
>> > with heaps and heaps of salt.  D. H. Lawrence had it right, in my opinion,
>> > when he said, more than less, that readers should trust the book and not
>> > the author.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Mar 19, 2016, at 10:45 AM, james Esposito <giacomoesposito72 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Forgive me as a newcomer, but surely Lawrence Durrell made it clear that
>> > he saw his paid work as distinct from his serious novels,poetry et cetera?
>> > His boast about the writing of the 'Antrobus' stories and the use to which
>> > he put the money and the comparison with P G Wodehouse and Proust suggest
>> > that he really did see himself as two types of writer. I'm not saying that
>> > these two writers were entirely separable, but I think Durrell was
>> > conscious of a difference in his approach to different tasks - the
>> > ephemeral newspaper and magazine assignments and the major works. And
>> > perhaps "avaricious hack" is not quite the way to describe him when he sat
>> > down to quickly write a piece, maybe off the top of his head, which would
>> > earn him some necessary money so that he could get back to spending quality
>> > time on his 'serious' or 'real' (as he called it) work?
>> > James Esposito
>> >
>> >
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>> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:42:23 -0700
>> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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>> Hi James,
>> 
>> On 2016-03-24 3:06 AM, james Esposito wrote:
>> > I would only add to that that I don't agree with Professor Gifford about
>> > Durrell writing "Panic Spring" "to emulate the formal effects of the
>> > high modernists". In my opinion, he wrote it (with a pseudonym) as an
>> > attempt to make a Greek-island novel using the tools available to him,
>> > which did not include any deep understanding of the modernists, high or
>> > low.
>> 
>> Please, "James" is just fine (no need for the professor bit).  Thanks
>> for your comments -- it's always good to have new voices on the listserv.
>> 
>> As for the high modernists, some of it is fairly overt in the text.  He
>> even wrote in 1975 that /Panic Spring/ is "a pretty good anthology of
>> the styles of the writers I then admired, Huxley, Graves, Aldington,
>> Lawrence," although as usual I think he left the biggest names out of
>> the list...
>> 
>> For instance, Noah seduces/assaults Francis in a scene very much like
>> that in the "A Game of Chess" section of T.S. Eliot's /The Waste Land/
>> or between the typist and young man in "The First Sermon" section.  Just
>> in case we don't catch what Durrell's up to, Noah asks Francis if she's
>> read /The Waste Land/ after having made sure copies of Ezra Pound and
>> Eliot are visible in the room.  It's also not really a great surprise
>> since the book was published by Faber & Faber where Eliot was an editor
>> and Durrell was in correspondence with him.
>> 
>> We get kindred stream of consciousness scenes like Woolf and Joyce in
>> "The Music" chapter as well as gestures to shell shock through Marlowe.
>>   Overall, Durrell's fairly explicit about taking up stylistic and
>> thematic models from the high modernists here, and while I think he had
>> an uneasy relationship with those predecessors (for instance, in many
>> respects substituting Cavafy for Eliot in the Quartet), they're also
>> overt influences.
>> 
>> Other gestures to Eliot are fairly overt, such as in the "Walsh" chapter
>> when the narrative voice tells us "They walked in the rain together,
>> among a torrent of wet dead leaves, wind tugging their hair back on
>> their scalps, rain in their mouths and the smell of dead earth" which is
>> quite close to the opening lines of /The Waste Land/ (and in the
>> preceding paragraph he stresses by repetition the "unreal" like Eliot's
>> "Unreal city" from the same).  Francis is also like an "anaesthetised
>> patient" much akin to the opening of Eliot's "Love Song of J. Alfred
>> Prufrock" and so forth.
>> 
>> Perhaps I should emphasize that I don't see this as a problem -- he's
>> reacting to the most famous generation of authors immediately preceding
>> his own (and who were editing him...) while challenging and/or extending
>> parts of their project in the process of discovering his own.  I think
>> it's to be expected, and most authors of his generation did the same.
>> 
>> > I don't get the
>> > rhetoric about the mud bricks.
>> 
>> The mud brick figures in his "With Durrell in Egypt" piece (collected in
>> /From the Elephant's Back/) -- it's a brick from Hassan Fathy's Gourna
>> village.  I've suggested that since Durrell describes reading Fathy's
>> /Architecture for the Poor/ in the piece and gives such a prominent
>> place in the narrative to a symbol of the utopian project for peasants
>> (the mud brick is a key part of Fathy's revival of traditional
>> materials), it's not a politically neutral image.  I don't know how
>> specific we might argue the "meaning" of the brick in the narrative
>> could be, but I don't think it's neutral or random.
>> 
>> Others are arguing that the brick carries no importance, which I find
>> unlikely, but to each their own.  I might even hope that it means both
>> things at the same time -- Keats, after all, appears frequently in Durrell.
>> 
>> All best,
>> James
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 10:34:09 -0700
>> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>> To: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>,  Sumantra Nag
>>         <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [ilds] Wordspinners
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>> 
>> I think Gifford sums up nicely the main issues raised by Esposito.  The long quotation is from the 2nd ed. of Pine?s Mindscape (2005):  114-16.  Durrell?s concern about ?minor mythologies? and literature as ?play? is nothing new.  Way back in the Middle Ages the function of literature was described as ?to delight and instruct,? and even that exhortation probably goes further back to the Romans, at least.  We?re probably talking about the context of Durrell?s remark and how he thought literature had become too highbrow.  There?s nothing wrong with telling a good story and all that that involves?at which Durrell could excel when in good form.  On the other hand, he was probably ahead of his time when he talks about giving equal weight to the popular literature of the time.  My sense is that academics are currently mining that very topic, if in somewhat abstruse fashion, that is, buttressed by a lot of Continental ?theory.?
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:42 AM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi James,
>> >
>> > On 2016-03-24 3:06 AM, james Esposito wrote:
>> >> I would only add to that that I don't agree with Professor Gifford about
>> >> Durrell writing "Panic Spring" "to emulate the formal effects of the
>> >> high modernists". In my opinion, he wrote it (with a pseudonym) as an
>> >> attempt to make a Greek-island novel using the tools available to him,
>> >> which did not include any deep understanding of the modernists, high or
>> >> low.
>> >
>> > Please, "James" is just fine (no need for the professor bit).  Thanks for your comments -- it's always good to have new voices on the listserv.
>> >
>> > As for the high modernists, some of it is fairly overt in the text.  He even wrote in 1975 that /Panic Spring/ is "a pretty good anthology of the styles of the writers I then admired, Huxley, Graves, Aldington, Lawrence," although as usual I think he left the biggest names out of the list...
>> >
>> > For instance, Noah seduces/assaults Francis in a scene very much like that in the "A Game of Chess" section of T.S. Eliot's /The Waste Land/ or between the typist and young man in "The First Sermon" section.  Just in case we don't catch what Durrell's up to, Noah asks Francis if she's read /The Waste Land/ after having made sure copies of Ezra Pound and Eliot are visible in the room.  It's also not really a great surprise since the book was published by Faber & Faber where Eliot was an editor and Durrell was in correspondence with him.
>> >
>> > We get kindred stream of consciousness scenes like Woolf and Joyce in "The Music" chapter as well as gestures to shell shock through Marlowe.  Overall, Durrell's fairly explicit about taking up stylistic and thematic models from the high modernists here, and while I think he had an uneasy relationship with those predecessors (for instance, in many respects substituting Cavafy for Eliot in the Quartet), they're also overt influences.
>> >
>> > Other gestures to Eliot are fairly overt, such as in the "Walsh" chapter when the narrative voice tells us "They walked in the rain together, among a torrent of wet dead leaves, wind tugging their hair back on their scalps, rain in their mouths and the smell of dead earth" which is quite close to the opening lines of /The Waste Land/ (and in the preceding paragraph he stresses by repetition the "unreal" like Eliot's "Unreal city" from the same).  Francis is also like an "anaesthetised patient" much akin to the opening of Eliot's "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" and so forth.
>> >
>> > Perhaps I should emphasize that I don't see this as a problem -- he's reacting to the most famous generation of authors immediately preceding his own (and who were editing him...) while challenging and/or extending parts of their project in the process of discovering his own.  I think it's to be expected, and most authors of his generation did the same.
>> >
>> >> I don't get the
>> >> rhetoric about the mud bricks.
>> >
>> > The mud brick figures in his "With Durrell in Egypt" piece (collected in /From the Elephant's Back/) -- it's a brick from Hassan Fathy's Gourna village.  I've suggested that since Durrell describes reading Fathy's /Architecture for the Poor/ in the piece and gives such a prominent place in the narrative to a symbol of the utopian project for peasants (the mud brick is a key part of Fathy's revival of traditional materials), it's not a politically neutral image.  I don't know how specific we might argue the "meaning" of the brick in the narrative could be, but I don't think it's neutral or random.
>> >
>> > Others are arguing that the brick carries no importance, which I find unlikely, but to each their own.  I might even hope that it means both things at the same time -- Keats, after all, appears frequently in Durrell.
>> >
>> > All best,
>> > James
>> >
>> 
>> * * * * *
>> 
>> James Esposito, 3/24/2016:
>> 
>> 
>> I do not have access to "Deus Loci" - I first became aware of Durrell's "Minor Mythologies" in Pine's book "Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape" where he says:
>> 
>> 
>> A further characteristic of Durrell?s understanding of the nineteenth century was his refusal to build his house exclusively on the plane of ?high? literature, and his insistence instead on pursuing it through major and minor modes. Thus his own adventure novel White Eagles over Serbia, written in the Buchanesque style of so much of his early reading, combines elements of the detective story and the grail quest. (In the Quartet Darley criticises the writing of the much-envied Pursewarden: ?what is missing in his work - but this is a criticism of all works which do not reach the front rank - is a sense of play? - Quartet 670.) It is a genre he much admired, for example relishing the Quixote-Panza relationship of Wodehouse?s Wooster and Jeeves (we have already seen him imagining himself as a new Wodehouse). He saw Wooster in descent from ?the great Knights of the Romance pattern?, saying ?he is a knight in the sense that he is a gentleman absolute. He can do no evil. It is the!
>>   terrific responsibility of wasting time amusingly that exhausts him so? <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn1>? a remarkable insight into the preoccupations of the one-time dandy faced with all the burdens of decadence. (In the same frame of mind he might have held the image of Scobie as ?Popeye the Sailor Man? and Nessim as the ?chevalier sans peur? ? Quartet 549.) In the same essay, ?The Minor Mythologies?, Durrell made the case for considering the characters of minor fiction in the same critical bracket:
>> 
>> 
>> The myth-making faculty is busy at many different levels; a critic interested in the creative process may find more food for thought in a Stephen Daedelus [sic] than in a Jeeves.Yet he should be prepared to acknowledge them both as part of the broad flood of a nation?s literature flowing out towards the future, to the sea. Many readers might think it a waste of time but how delightful a book on the minor mythologies of the age could be made if one could persuade a serious critic to consider its figures... Holmes, Jeeves, Dr Fu Manchu, Captain Blood, Bulldog Drummond, Raffles, Bones, Captain Nemo, Frankenstein, Dracula. <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn2>
>> 
>> Durrell himself displayed this ability to give due attention to major and minor, firstly in the creation of his own ?minor? canon in works like White Eagles (which he regarded as ?makeweights?) or in some of the apparently inconsequential characters of the island books. Secondly, in his ?major? works, Durrell, like Kipling, brought the great and the insignificant into close and urgent contact (he called the Quartet ?such a strange mixture of sex and the secret service!? SP 120), so much so as to make us enquire at what point a character gains or loses cardinal significance: for example, the nameless loader who appears and disappears within one paragraph of the Quartet after the supposed death of Capodistria (Quartet 76- 7), or Krov, the ?slave-prisoner? of General von Esslin (Quintet 877-83), take on a vital role illustrative of some mythological level far out of proportion to their social or narrative function, precisely because that function is not part of the cultural val!
>>  ues Durrell shared with the nineteenth century. Durrell employed this kind of simplicity as a means of communication ? one he particularly valued in the ?minor mythologies? ? because it made the reader an accomplice at the deepest level of story-telling at which the primitive, as opposed to the sophisticated, method of narrative is revealed as the more effective bonding mechanism of society: <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn3> think of Pater?s Marius: ?his life had been so like the reading of a romance to him?, <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn4>or, as Groddeck put it in The Book of the It, ?read [my letters] as though they were travel books or detective stories?. <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn5> It was thus possible to engage not only in narration but also in analysis without the reader becoming aware of the ulterior project.
>> 
>> Writing of Wells?s The Time Machine and Rider Haggard?s She which, Durrell said, embodied for the Victorians ?the great popular myths of the age?, he made a case (in the latter instance by tracing that myth through the Prester John legends to de Mandeville) for these and other ?great folk-metaphors? (Frankenstein, Dracula and Jekyll/Hyde), that ?their literary ancestry stretches far back into the age of the magicians and miracles?. <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn6> This resort to the merveilleux and the miraculous is one of the trademarks of the baroque novelist, and was an integral part not only of Durrell?s technique but also of his faith in the novel. He made a critical connection between gothic narrative and the myths of magic, showing us that the modern juxtaposition and interaction of science and art is merely another form of an all-embracing philosophy told, like so much of Buddhism, through the visions and spectacles of everyday life. Quotid!
>>  ian activity, rather than the characters who enact it, has its own characters.
>> 
>> 
>> Thus it is easier to spell out the ?miracle?, the successful d?nouement, if it is already anticipated as part of the reader?s act of faith within the act of reading <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn7> It would only be with the c?sura after the Quartet that this faith hit the rocks of Durrell?s despair. To the genre of adventure in Kim we can add Durrell?s childhood introduction to the works of Dickens and, on the evidence of Pied Piper of Lovers, Henty, Ballantyne and Dumas (PPL 124, 192). Durrell?s library contained several examples of Buchan?s work, together with volumes of Baroness Orczy and Anthony Hope <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn8> and he often referred to Wodehouse as an important example of subversive humour ? a technique he put to use not only in the ?Antrobus? pictures from diplomatic life but also in the structure and texture of The Revolt (indeed, as I shall demonstrate in Part 4, there is an organic connection!
>>   between the two types of writing).
>> 
>> Milan Kundera makes the point that a novel requires four special ?appeals?: those of ?play?, ?dream?, ?thought? and ?time?, <applewebdata://41AD9AD0-9A90-4271-B751-CF8949E94C50#_ftn9> and it is important to note that it is the combination of seriousness of intent with lightness of touch which gives Durrell?s fiction its onward drive: while he is capable of arresting our attention with some lapidary insight into the human condition, the dynamic in the reader?s mind is the question ?what happens next??. The book must be a place of intellectual excitement which is leavened by the idea of life-as-a-game.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------
>> 
>> Apologies for such a long quote but some on this list may not have Pine's book, which I understand is hard to find in the second edition.
>> 
>> I would only add to that that I don't agree with Professor Gifford about Durrell writing "Panic Spring" "to emulate the formal effects of the high modernists". In my opinion, he wrote it (with a pseudonym) as an attempt to make a Greek-island novel using the tools available to him, which did not include any deep understanding of the modernists, high or low.
>> 
>> Maybe I'm ill-versed, but I don't get the rhetoric about the mud bricks.
>> 
>> James Esposito
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>> FYI: http://lawrencedurrell.org/wp_durrell/deus-loci/
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>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > I think Gifford sums up nicely the main issues raised by Esposito.  The
>> > long quotation is from the 2nd ed. of Pine?s *Mindscape* (2005):
>> >  114-16.  Durrell?s concern about ?minor mythologies? and literature as
>> > ?play? is nothing new.  Way back in the Middle Ages the function of
>> > literature was described as ?to delight and instruct,? and even that
>> > exhortation probably goes further back to the Romans, at least.  We?re
>> > probably talking about the context of Durrell?s remark and how he thought
>> > literature had become too highbrow.  There?s nothing wrong with telling a
>> > good story and all that that involves?at which Durrell could excel when in
>> > good form.  On the other hand, he was probably ahead of his time when he
>> > talks about giving equal weight to the popular literature of the time.  My
>> > sense is that academics are currently mining that very topic, if in
>> > somewhat abstruse fashion, that is, buttressed by a lot of Continental
>> > ?theory.?
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:42 AM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi James,
>> >
>> > On 2016-03-24 3:06 AM, james Esposito wrote:
>> >
>> > I would only add to that that I don't agree with Professor Gifford about
>> > Durrell writing "Panic Spring" "to emulate the formal effects of the
>> > high modernists". In my opinion, he wrote it (with a pseudonym) as an
>> > attempt to make a Greek-island novel using the tools available to him,
>> > which did not include any deep understanding of the modernists, high or
>> > low.
>> >
>> >
>> > Please, "James" is just fine (no need for the professor bit).  Thanks for
>> > your comments -- it's always good to have new voices on the listserv.
>> >
>> > As for the high modernists, some of it is fairly overt in the text.  He
>> > even wrote in 1975 that /Panic Spring/ is "a pretty good anthology of the
>> > styles of the writers I then admired, Huxley, Graves, Aldington, Lawrence,"
>> > although as usual I think he left the biggest names out of the list...
>> >
>> > For instance, Noah seduces/assaults Francis in a scene very much like that
>> > in the "A Game of Chess" section of T.S. Eliot's /The Waste Land/ or
>> > between the typist and young man in "The First Sermon" section.  Just in
>> > case we don't catch what Durrell's up to, Noah asks Francis if she's read
>> > /The Waste Land/ after having made sure copies of Ezra Pound and Eliot are
>> > visible in the room.  It's also not really a great surprise since the book
>> > was published by Faber & Faber where Eliot was an editor and Durrell was in
>> > correspondence with him.
>> >
>> > We get kindred stream of consciousness scenes like Woolf and Joyce in "The
>> > Music" chapter as well as gestures to shell shock through Marlowe.
>> > Overall, Durrell's fairly explicit about taking up stylistic and thematic
>> > models from the high modernists here, and while I think he had an uneasy
>> > relationship with those predecessors (for instance, in many respects
>> > substituting Cavafy for Eliot in the Quartet), they're also overt
>> > influences.
>> >
>> > Other gestures to Eliot are fairly overt, such as in the "Walsh" chapter
>> > when the narrative voice tells us "They walked in the rain together, among
>> > a torrent of wet dead leaves, wind tugging their hair back on their scalps,
>> > rain in their mouths and the smell of dead earth" which is quite close to
>> > the opening lines of /The Waste Land/ (and in the preceding paragraph he
>> > stresses by repetition the "unreal" like Eliot's "Unreal city" from the
>> > same).  Francis is also like an "anaesthetised patient" much akin to the
>> > opening of Eliot's "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" and so forth.
>> >
>> > Perhaps I should emphasize that I don't see this as a problem -- he's
>> > reacting to the most famous generation of authors immediately preceding his
>> > own (and who were editing him...) while challenging and/or extending parts
>> > of their project in the process of discovering his own.  I think it's to be
>> > expected, and most authors of his generation did the same.
>> >
>> > I don't get the
>> > rhetoric about the mud bricks.
>> >
>> >
>> > The mud brick figures in his "With Durrell in Egypt" piece (collected in
>> > /From the Elephant's Back/) -- it's a brick from Hassan Fathy's Gourna
>> > village.  I've suggested that since Durrell describes reading Fathy's
>> > /Architecture for the Poor/ in the piece and gives such a prominent place
>> > in the narrative to a symbol of the utopian project for peasants (the mud
>> > brick is a key part of Fathy's revival of traditional materials), it's not
>> > a politically neutral image.  I don't know how specific we might argue the
>> > "meaning" of the brick in the narrative could be, but I don't think it's
>> > neutral or random.
>> >
>> > Others are arguing that the brick carries no importance, which I find
>> > unlikely, but to each their own.  I might even hope that it means both
>> > things at the same time -- Keats, after all, appears frequently in Durrell.
>> >
>> > All best,
>> > James
>> >
>> >
>> > * * * * *
>> >
>> > James Esposito, 3/24/2016:
>> >
>> >
>> > I do not have access to "Deus Loci" - I first became aware of Durrell's
>> > "Minor Mythologies" in Pine's book "Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape" where
>> > he says:
>> >
>> >
>> > A further characteristic of Durrell?s understanding of the nineteenth
>> > century was his refusal to build his house exclusively on the plane of
>> > ?high? literature, and his insistence instead on pursuing it through major
>> > and minor modes. Thus his own adventure novel *White Eagles over Serbia*,
>> > written in the Buchanesque style of so much of his early reading, combines
>> > elements of the detective story and the grail quest. (In the *Quartet* Darley
>> > criticises the writing of the much-envied Pursewarden: ?what is missing in
>> > his work - but this is a criticism of all works which do not reach the
>> > front rank - is a sense of play? - *Quartet* 670.) It is a genre he much
>> > admired, for example relishing the Quixote-Panza relationship of
>> > Wodehouse?s Wooster and Jeeves (we have already seen him imagining himself
>> > as a new Wodehouse). He saw Wooster in descent from ?the great Knights of
>> > the Romance pattern?, saying ?he is a knight in the sense that he is a
>> > gentleman absolute. He can do no evil. It is the terrific responsibility of
>> > wasting time amusingly that exhausts him so?
>> > <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn1>? a remarkable insight into the
>> > preoccupations of the one-time dandy faced with all the burdens of
>> > decadence. (In the same frame of mind he might have held the image of
>> > Scobie as ?Popeye the Sailor Man? and Nessim as the ?chevalier sans peur? ?
>> > *Quartet *549.) In the same essay, ?The Minor Mythologies?, Durrell made
>> > the case for considering the characters of minor fiction in the same
>> > critical bracket:
>> >
>> >
>> > The myth-making faculty is busy at many different levels; a critic
>> > interested in the creative process may find more food for thought in a
>> > Stephen Daedelus [*sic*] than in a Jeeves.Yet he should be prepared to
>> > acknowledge them both as part of the broad flood of a nation?s literature
>> > flowing out towards the future, to the sea. Many readers might think it a
>> > waste of time but how delightful a book on the minor mythologies of the age
>> > could be made if one could persuade a serious critic to consider its
>> > figures... Holmes, Jeeves, Dr Fu Manchu, Captain Blood, Bulldog Drummond,
>> > Raffles, Bones, Captain Nemo, Frankenstein, Dracula.
>> > <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn2>
>> >
>> >
>> > Durrell himself displayed this ability to give due attention to major and
>> > minor, firstly in the creation of his own ?minor? canon in works like *White
>> > Eagles* (which he regarded as ?makeweights?) or in some of the apparently
>> > inconsequential characters of the island books. Secondly, in his ?major?
>> > works, Durrell, like Kipling, brought the great and the insignificant into
>> > close and urgent contact (he called the *Quartet *?such a strange mixture
>> > of sex and the secret service!? *SP* 120), so much so as to make us
>> > enquire at what point a character gains or loses cardinal significance: for
>> > example, the nameless loader who appears and disappears within one
>> > paragraph of the *Quartet* after the supposed death of Capodistria (
>> > *Quartet *76- 7), or Krov, the ?slave-prisoner? of General von Esslin (
>> > *Quintet* 877-83), take on a vital role illustrative of some mythological
>> > level far out of proportion to their social or narrative function,
>> > precisely because that function is not part of the cultural values Durrell
>> > shared with the nineteenth century. Durrell employed this kind of
>> > simplicity as a means of communication ? one he particularly valued in the
>> > ?minor mythologies? ? because it made the reader an accomplice at the
>> > deepest level of story-telling at which the primitive, as opposed to the
>> > sophisticated, method of narrative is revealed as the more effective
>> > bonding mechanism of society: <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn3> think of
>> > Pater?s Marius: ?his life had been so like the reading of a romance to him?,
>> > <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn4>or, as Groddeck put it in *The Book of the
>> > It*, ?read [my letters] as though they were travel books or detective
>> > stories?. <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn5> It was thus possible to engage
>> > not only in narration but also in analysis without the reader becoming
>> > aware of the ulterior project.
>> >
>> > Writing of Wells?s *The Time Machine* and Rider Haggard?s *She* which,
>> > Durrell said, embodied for the Victorians ?the great popular myths of the
>> > age?, he made a case (in the latter instance by tracing that myth through
>> > the Prester John legends to de Mandeville) for these and other ?great
>> > folk-metaphors? (Frankenstein, Dracula and Jekyll/Hyde), that ?their
>> > literary ancestry stretches far back into the age of the magicians and
>> > miracles?. <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn6> This resort to the *merveilleux* and
>> > the miraculous is one of the trademarks of the baroque novelist, and was an
>> > integral part not only of Durrell?s technique but also of his faith in the
>> > novel. He made a critical connection between gothic narrative and the myths
>> > of magic, showing us that the modern juxtaposition and interaction of
>> > science and art is merely another form of an all-embracing philosophy told,
>> > like so much of Buddhism, through the visions and spectacles of everyday
>> > life. Quotidian activity, rather than the characters who enact it, has its
>> > own characters.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thus it is easier to spell out the ?miracle?, the successful d?nouement,
>> > if it is already anticipated as part of the reader?s act of faith within
>> > the act of reading <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn7> It would only be with
>> > the *c?sura* after the *Quartet* that this faith hit the rocks of
>> > Durrell?s despair. To the genre of adventure in *Kim* we can add
>> > Durrell?s childhood introduction to the works of Dickens and, on the
>> > evidence of *Pied Piper of Lovers*, Henty, Ballantyne and Dumas (*PPL* 124,
>> > 192). Durrell?s library contained several examples of Buchan?s work,
>> > together with volumes of Baroness Orczy and Anthony Hope
>> > <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn8> and he often referred to Wodehouse as an
>> > important example of subversive humour ? a technique he put to use not only
>> > in the ?Antrobus? pictures from diplomatic life but also in the structure
>> > and texture of *The Revolt* (indeed, as I shall demonstrate in Part 4,
>> > there is an organic connection between the two types of writing).
>> >
>> > Milan Kundera makes the point that a novel requires four special
>> > ?appeals?: those of ?play?, ?dream?, ?thought? and ?time?,
>> > <#m_5996440815883147648__ftn9> and it is important to note that it is the
>> > combination of seriousness of intent with lightness of touch which gives
>> > Durrell?s fiction its onward drive: while he is capable of arresting our
>> > attention with some lapidary insight into the human condition, the dynamic
>> > in the reader?s mind is the question ?what happens next??. The book must be
>> > a place of intellectual excitement which is leavened by the idea of
>> > life-as-a-game.
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Apologies for such a long quote but some on this list may not have Pine's
>> > book, which I understand is hard to find in the second edition.
>> >
>> > I would only add to that that I don't agree with Professor Gifford about
>> > Durrell writing "Panic Spring" "to emulate the formal effects of the high
>> > modernists". In my opinion, he wrote it (with a pseudonym) as an attempt to
>> > make a Greek-island novel using the tools available to him, which did not
>> > include any deep understanding of the modernists, high or low.
>> >
>> > Maybe I'm ill-versed, but I don't get the rhetoric about the mud bricks.
>> >
>> > James Esposito
>> >
>> >
>> >
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