From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com Mon Feb 29 11:38:56 2016 From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:38:56 -0800 Subject: [ilds] 3 quick questions about Marine Venus Message-ID: Has anyone on the list seen the original MS submitted to F&F, which I believe is significantly longer than the published book? Do you agree that Anne Ridler was correct to cut it as she did? Any chance it will be published in the coming years? Thanks very much - Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Mon Feb 29 11:43:24 2016 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:43:24 -0800 Subject: [ilds] 3 quick questions about Marine Venus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56D49F5C.3020300@gmail.com> Hi Ken, I was indeed much cut. The go to resource is David Roessel: Roessel, David. ??Cut in Half as It Was?: Editorial Excisions and the Original Shape of Reflections on a Marine Venus.? Deus Loci: The Lawrence Durrell Journal NS 6 (1998): 64?77. It would be difficult to publish since it could compete with the commercial edition through Faber & Faber, but it would indeed be good to see more work detailing it. Some of Durrell's other writings about Rhodes are in /From the Elephant's Back/ and show post-war political concerns not included in the book. All best, James On 2016-02-29 11:38 AM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > Has anyone on the list seen the original MS submitted to F&F, which I > believe is significantly longer than the published book? Do you agree > that Anne Ridler was correct to cut it as she did? Any chance it will be > published in the coming years? > > Thanks very much - Ken From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com Mon Feb 29 12:39:30 2016 From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:39:30 -0800 Subject: [ilds] 3 quick questions about Marine Venus In-Reply-To: <56D49F5C.3020300@gmail.com> References: <56D49F5C.3020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow! Thanks James ? that?s a great article by David Roessel in DL6. Answered some of my questions and further whetted my appetite for the original MV. Clearly Ridler was NOT right in making (most of) the cuts, and Durrell was right to protest them. Some of the excised text showed-up in The Greek Islands and, to Bruce?s point, some was shamelessly cribbed from Torr. Ridler could have asked for a light edit, but instead she chose the sword. Roessel?s last line is: ?What was lost was a text that was more interesting, more complicated, and more personal.? How sad ? and intriguing. The big unanswered question is ? why doesn?t Faber just issue an unexpurgated version? Something truly new like that (which will at least provoke a big article in the Guardian, and maybe the NY Review of Books as well) could jump-start his entire catalog on both sides of the pond! Just sayin? - Ken On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:43 AM, James Gifford wrote: > Hi Ken, > > I was indeed much cut. The go to resource is David Roessel: > > Roessel, David. ??Cut in Half as It Was?: Editorial Excisions and the > Original Shape of Reflections on a Marine Venus.? Deus Loci: The Lawrence > Durrell Journal NS 6 (1998): 64?77. > > It would be difficult to publish since it could compete with the > commercial edition through Faber & Faber, but it would indeed be good to > see more work detailing it. > > Some of Durrell's other writings about Rhodes are in /From the Elephant's > Back/ and show post-war political concerns not included in the book. > > All best, > James > > > On 2016-02-29 11:38 AM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > >> Has anyone on the list seen the original MS submitted to F&F, which I >> believe is significantly longer than the published book? Do you agree >> that Anne Ridler was correct to cut it as she did? Any chance it will be >> published in the coming years? >> >> Thanks very much - Ken >> > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 29 12:48:53 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:48:53 -0800 Subject: [ilds] 3 quick questions about Marine Venus In-Reply-To: References: <56D49F5C.3020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <527A5882-CDDD-488F-936E-1E8DFA0C1F14@earthlink.net> Ken, I?m with you and would like to see the original MS of Reflections published. This seems unlikely, however. Durrell?s reputation is at low ebb. The centennial did not get mentioned in TLS, LRB, nor NYRB. The Guardian ran a debate but nothing else appeared, as far as I know. Bruce > On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > Wow! Thanks James ? that?s a great article by David Roessel in DL6. Answered some of my questions and further whetted my appetite for the original MV. Clearly Ridler was NOT right in making (most of) the cuts, and Durrell was right to protest them. Some of the excised text showed-up in The Greek Islands and, to Bruce?s point, some was shamelessly cribbed from Torr. Ridler could have asked for a light edit, but instead she chose the sword. Roessel?s last line is: ?What was lost was a text that was more interesting, more complicated, and more personal.? How sad ? and intriguing. > > The big unanswered question is ? why doesn?t Faber just issue an unexpurgated version? Something truly new like that (which will at least provoke a big article in the Guardian, and maybe the NY Review of Books as well) could jump-start his entire catalog on both sides of the pond! > > Just sayin? - Ken > > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:43 AM, James Gifford > wrote: > Hi Ken, > > I was indeed much cut. The go to resource is David Roessel: > > Roessel, David. ??Cut in Half as It Was?: Editorial Excisions and the Original Shape of Reflections on a Marine Venus.? Deus Loci: The Lawrence Durrell Journal NS 6 (1998): 64?77. > > It would be difficult to publish since it could compete with the commercial edition through Faber & Faber, but it would indeed be good to see more work detailing it. > > Some of Durrell's other writings about Rhodes are in /From the Elephant's Back/ and show post-war political concerns not included in the book. > > All best, > James > > > On 2016-02-29 11:38 AM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > Has anyone on the list seen the original MS submitted to F&F, which I > believe is significantly longer than the published book? Do you agree > that Anne Ridler was correct to cut it as she did? Any chance it will be > published in the coming years? > > Thanks very much - Ken > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org Mon Feb 29 15:52:42 2016 From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org (mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:52:42 +0000 Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 17 Message-ID: As someone who has edited and published a previously unpublished novel by Lawrence Durrell ("Judith", Durrell School of Corfu, 2012) my advice regarding a publication of the original edition of "Reflections" would be as follows: 1) There would in my opinion, even though Durrell's reputation is not at its highest, be considerable interest in a production of the original, provided it were effectively promoted. 2) In order to achieve this, there is no point discussing this among ourselves. The appropriate course of action is to persuade the Estate, through agents Curtis Brown, a) of the desirability of such a publication, b) of its viability in terms of editing and production and c) its possible source of income to the Estate. 3) If such persuasion could be achieved (and in my opinion it could) then there are several possible modes of publication: i) as a special number of Deus Loci ii) as a "private" imprint of the ILDS. As the Durrell School of Corfu is no longer in a position to undertake such a publication (as it did in the cases of both "Judith" and Stephanides' memoirs, "Autumn Gleanings" - a joint publication with the ILDs which remains in print) a third possibility nevertheless remains iii) as a publication by Colenso Books, which is directed by Anthony Hirst who has recently published at least two titles relating to Durrell and Stephanides and who is about to publish the original text of Stephanides' monograph on Corfu's Freshwater Biology. Publication would of course (as in the case of "Judith") require an editor sympathetic to the text, to the ambience of the original and to the author's intentions, without unnecessary academic paraphernalia or other impedimenta. In relation to (ii) it might be possible for the ILDS to attract subscriptions from members and associated persons who would, in exchange for a subscription, receive copies of the book. A limited numbered edition (as in the case of the DSC's edition of "Judith" ) would add to its value as a collectors' item. It should be noted that in the case of "Judith" a print and ebook edition was subsequently published by Open Road in the USA, which is in effect a reproduction of the DSC edition in almost all respects; this occurred at the time that Open Road contracted with the Durrell Estate to produce editions both in print and as ebooks of most of Durrell's titles and therefore some commercial interest might be shown in such an endeavour in the case of "Reflections". I believe some criticism has been levelled at Ann Ridler for severe cutting of the original typescript for publication by Fabers. We must bear in mind a) that Fabers is and was a commercial enterprise and Ms Ridler and her superiors may well have considered that Durrell's book was too long for the public, purchase-price-wise. There is also the consideration that at that time (1953) Durrell/Faber had already published "Prospero's Cell" and it may have been thought prudent to publish a second "island" book of comparable length rather than one which was appreciably longer. RP -----Original Message----- From: ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 09:00 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 17 Send ILDS mailing list submissions to ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. 3 quick questions about Marine Venus (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: 3 quick questions about Marine Venus (James Gifford)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:38:56 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] 3 quick questions about Marine VenusMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Has anyone on the list seen the original MS submitted to F&F, which Ibelieve is significantly longer than the published book? Do you agree thatAnne Ridler was correct to cut it as she did? Any chance it will bepublished in the coming years?Thanks very much - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:43:24 -0800From: James Gifford To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] 3 quick questions about Marine VenusMessage-ID: <56D49F5C.3020300 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowedHi Ken,I was indeed much cut. The go to resource is David Roessel:Roessel, David. ??Cut in Half as It Was?: Editorial Excisions and the Original Shape of Reflections on a Marine Venus.? Deus Loci: The Lawrence Durrell Journal NS 6 (1998): 64?77.It would be difficult to publish since it could compete with the commercial edition through Faber & Faber, but it would indeed be good to see more work detailing it.Some of Durrell's other writings about Rhodes are in /From the Elephant's Back/ and show post-war political concerns not included in the book.All best,JamesOn 2016-02-29 11:38 AM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> Has anyone on the list seen the original MS submitted to F&F, which I> believe is significantly longer than the published book? Do you agree> that Anne Ridler was correct to cut it as she did? Any chance it will be> published in the coming years?>> Thanks very much - Ken------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 17************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 29 17:29:33 2016 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:29:33 -0800 Subject: [ilds] Reflections on a Marine Venus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pine?s advice (esp. point 2) strikes me as solid re publishing Durrell?s original MS. I hopes someone undertakes what appears to be a lot of work. My dealings with Durrell?s estate and Curtis Brown centered on one issue?generating money for the estate. Bruce > On Feb 29, 2016, at 3:52 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org wrote: > > As someone who has edited and published a previously unpublished novel by Lawrence Durrell ("Judith", Durrell School of Corfu, 2012) my advice regarding a publication of the original edition of "Reflections" would be as follows: > 1) There would in my opinion, even though Durrell's reputation is not at its highest, be considerable interest in a production of the original, provided it were effectively promoted. > 2) In order to achieve this, there is no point discussing this among ourselves. The appropriate course of action is to persuade the Estate, through agents Curtis Brown, a) of the desirability of such a publication, b) of its viability in terms of editing and production and c) its possible source of income to the Estate. > 3) If such persuasion could be achieved (and in my opinion it could) then there are several possible modes of publication: > i) as a special number of Deus Loci > ii) as a "private" imprint of the ILDS. > As the Durrell School of Corfu is no longer in a position to undertake such a publication (as it did in the cases of both "Judith" and Stephanides' memoirs, "Autumn Gleanings" - a joint publication with the ILDs which remains in print) a third possibility nevertheless remains > iii) as a publication by Colenso Books, which is directed by Anthony Hirst who has recently published at least two titles relating to Durrell and Stephanides and who is about to publish the original text of Stephanides' monograph on Corfu's Freshwater Biology. > Publication would of course (as in the case of "Judith") require an editor sympathetic to the text, to the ambience of the original and to the author's intentions, without unnecessary academic paraphernalia or other impedimenta. > In relation to (ii) it might be possible for the ILDS to attract subscriptions from members and associated persons who would, in exchange for a subscription, receive copies of the book. A limited numbered edition (as in the case of the DSC's edition of "Judith" ) would add to its value as a collectors' item. > It should be noted that in the case of "Judith" a print and ebook edition was subsequently published by Open Road in the USA, which is in effect a reproduction of the DSC edition in almost all respects; this occurred at the time that Open Road contracted with the Durrell Estate to produce editions both in print and as ebooks of most of Durrell's titles and therefore some commercial interest might be shown in such an endeavour in the case of "Reflections". > I believe some criticism has been levelled at Ann Ridler for severe cutting of the original typescript for publication by Fabers. We must bear in mind a) that Fabers is and was a commercial enterprise and Ms Ridler and her superiors may well have considered that Durrell's book was too long for the public, purchase-price-wise. There is also the consideration that at that time (1953) Durrell/Faber had already published "Prospero's Cell" and it may have been thought prudent to publish a second "island" book of comparable length rather than one which was appreciably longer. > RP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clawson at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 16:38:42 2016 From: clawson at gmail.com (James Clawson) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:38:42 -0600 Subject: [ilds] On Miracle Ground 19: Crete, June 2016 Message-ID: Durrellians, This summer, the International Lawrence Durrell Society will host the 19th On Miracle Ground Conference on the island of Crete, June 26-30. We have an exciting list of presenters, with a blend of familiar names and new scholars. Additionally, we've broadened the appeal beyond the conference's academic offering with additional events?including a tour of sites significant to the island's World War II history. Finally, we've ensured the schedule has time for you to socialize or to try and get to grips with the mysterious quality of "Greekness" of which Durrell was so fond. Whether this will be your first Durrell conference or your 19th, we'd love for you to join us. Find more details at the conference web page: http://lawrencedurrell.org/wp_durrell/omg-xix/ To register, please visit http://lawrencedurrell.org/wp_durrell/omg-xix-registration/ I hope to see you in June! Sincerely, James Clawson OMG XIX Organizing Committee P.S. Some of you may get this note more than once. Aren't you lucky? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: