[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 13

Sky Blue Press skybluepress at skybluepress.com
Thu Feb 25 13:09:49 PST 2016


Sure, Anais Nin's popularity has diminished since the height of her fame,
but we overlook one of the biggest reasons: she is no longer around to
inspire in person. It was her persona that drew so many, along with the
work. Now it is up to the rest of us to carry on. I, for one, can only
continue to edit and publish her work and let it into the world where it
will either sink or swim--but it at least has a chance. I do so because I
believe it is valuable and still speaks to the open-minded and open-hearted.
The feedback I get encourages me. I have to add that awareness of and
respect for her work, her insight into her own difficulties and her struggle
to overcome them, a lifelong endeavor, is increasing. There are a lot of new
fans buying her work. An article in The Guardian last year called Nin the
queen of the internet, something she most likely would have loved. A
documentary on her was done in the UK, and there is buzz about a series on
HBO which may use her diaries as a guide for production. So perhaps we are
making a difference in some small way. 

I am used to resistance to her work (or should I say life?) in the ILDS--my
first conference in 1998, whose theme was The Paris of Durrell, Miller and
Nin, found us in empty rooms for the Nin sessions, countering verbal
attacks, especially of the "morality" type, and Carol Peirce bemoaned the
"castigation" of Nin during a plenary session. That said, I feel the
attitudes were changing for the better during subsequent conferences, at
least among a certain number within the organization. I'm not complaining,
it's just the way it is, or was. Regarding the New York Times' history of
bashing of Nin, I would recommend reading Jessica Gilbey's contribution to A
Café in Space, vol. 13. She sheds some light on where it comes from. The
article was drawn from her Ph.D. thesis on Nin.

Paul 

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   2. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Kennedy Gammage)
   3. Fwd: Nin and Durrell (James Gifford)
   4. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Sky Blue Press)
   5. Nin & Heraldic (James Gifford)
   6. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Marc Piel)
   7. Re: Nin & Heraldic (Bruce Redwine)


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>From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and
other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,
although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and
H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in
print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been
bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the
friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that
of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over
SEXUS. 
It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in
order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think
(this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and
his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and
as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't
think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly
pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of
her writing.
As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,
scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard
the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the
various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,
have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A
pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,
even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)
which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think
attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence
and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2
husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was
ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to
be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.
RP
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin
Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence
Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larr!
 y (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary
of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the
golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic
gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of
nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the
imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited
byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.
Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle
hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does
notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the
main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times
has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They
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your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy
Gammage  wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A
CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned,
though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found
him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume
Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,
the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who ha!
 s been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is
a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The
wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting
against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the
reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how
vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it,
it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> >
Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing
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sage: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green
To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:
<41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type:
text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive
description of Larr!
 y in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him
attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world
as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that
later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator
whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks
for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine
wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your
response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM,
Kennedy Gammage  wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary
Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is
mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she
clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of
Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the
golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic
gestures, mellow and human,!
  he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter
tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is
like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a
miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar
streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This
expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth,
the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped
out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50
years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her
fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >>
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Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next paragraph:
she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked intimately. They
recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece again, after walking
through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse. "It is not a
moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic"
world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked
about it a great deal. Was he seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho
so to speak? Not Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and wrote
about it (with the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)

Cheers - Ken

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:14 PM, <mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:

> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, 
> and other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I 
> appreciate that, although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie 
> between Nin, LDurrell  and H Miller, there were huge personal 
> differences. LD bitchily said (both in print and to me personally) 
> that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been bedded by Nin. They 
> had a short war over one of her books, and the friendship (if it was 
> ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that of LD with 
> Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over SEXUS.
> It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted 
> Nancy in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, 
> but I think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted 
> Nin publicly (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' 
> as he wrote to me and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked 
> her as a person and I don't think his private opinion of her work was 
> as strong as he publicly pretended. Maybe his personal 
> dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of her writing.
> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant, 
> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) 
> disregard the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early 
> stuff. but the various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime 
> and posthumously, have revealed an aspect that would deter many from 
> taking her seriously. A pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and 
> in terms of her perceptions, even her storytelling (as evidenced by 
> her written-to-order pornography) which was unfortunately coloured by 
> her personal problems which I think attracted many women to her work 
> at the height of the feminist resurgence and has since been diminished 
> by, for example, the fact that she kept 2 husbands on either side of 
> the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was ignorant of the 
> other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to be bigamous in
such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.
> RP
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> text/plain; charset="utf-8" ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin 
> Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and 
> Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about 
> Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting 
> than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth 
> re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, 
> the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he 
> has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter 
> tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. 
> He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.
> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle 
> has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He 
> does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? I 
> guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the 
> New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an 
> embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! Best - 
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> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken is enthusiastic and convincing. Paul 
> Herron, your response? Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2016, at 
> 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s 
> Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and 
> Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about 
> Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting 
> than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth 
> re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, 
> the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he 
> has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter 
> tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. 
> He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.
> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle 
> has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He 
> does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? > 
> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious 
> the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, 
> it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! 
> > > Best - Ken > > _______________________________________________ > 
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> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken, Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive 
> description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the 
> qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse 
> of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to 
> mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also 
> portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of 
> life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken. Sent from 
> my iPad > On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > > Ken is 
> enthusiastic and convincing. > > Paul Herron, your response? > > > 
> Bruce > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, 
> Kennedy Gammage wrote: >> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin 
> Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and 
> Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about 
> Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting 
> than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
> 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned 
> skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, 
> mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of 
> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he 
> discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer 
> who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his 
> creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a 
> vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This 
> expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the 
> warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? >> >> I guess the main 
> thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times 
> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. 
> They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! >> >> Best - Ken >> >> 
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From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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I think Bruce meant this for the list not just the administrators (forward
below).

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Date: 	Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:49:01 -0800
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I agree with Ken that Durrell seems to live at times in an ?other? 
reality.  ?Heraldic? seems related to ?the kingdom of the imagination,? 
which is not necessarily reality based.  To wit, he can write about places
in /The Greek Islands/ which he probably never visited.

I also find interesting Richard on Durrell?s relationship with Nin. 
Durrell?s public comments on Ana?s were enthusiastic, his private statements
considerably otherwise.  My sense is that Durrell in public was supportive
of fellow writers, particularly those in his own circle, although his
personal opinions of them may be critical, perhaps even scathing.  I guess
he had what Conrad called, in another context, ?the fellowship of the
craft.?

Bruce




> On Feb 24, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage 
> <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com <mailto:gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next
> paragraph: she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked 
> intimately. They recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece 
> again, after walking through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of 
> Montparnasse. "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is 
> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the 
> other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked about it a great deal.
> Was he seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so to speak? Not 
> Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and wrote about it (with 
> the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)
>
> Cheers - Ken


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:10:50 -0600
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Ken and Bruce, during the Trapeze years (1947-1955) Nin had almost no
contact with Durrell, who, like many of her Paris friends, was estranged
from her by time and distance. However, we shall discover that after Durrell
released Justine (1957), their relationship was rekindled, just and Nin's
and Miller's was after the Tropics were finally unbanned. What results are
visits to Sommiere, much correspondence, affinities, disagreements,
betrayals (in Nin's mind), jealousy, misunderstanding, but an enduring love.
That shall come later.

The New York Times, as mentioned in Australian scholar Jessica Gilbey's fine
article in Caf? 13, seemed to have a  vendetta against Anais Nin (and
perhaps still does), and they stooped to out-and-out sexism, puritanism, and
blatant nastiness that seemed to be engrained in the culture of the
reviewers, from the 1940s through the 1990s when the unexpurgated diaries
inspired some of the most venomous attacks I've ever seen against an
established writer. The fact they refused to review the most recent diary,
Mirages, is another stone in that mosaic. 

Anyway, I, as editor of the journal, am very pleased with the contents and
the talents of all the writers who contributed, and you can find Ken's
poetry there, the spirit of which fits beautifully with the soul of the
publication. 

Paul

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800
From: Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
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Subject: [ilds] Nin and Durrell
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ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?

I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New
York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!

Best - Ken
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800
From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.

Paul Herron, your response?


Bruce

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> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage 
> <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 
> 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?
> 
> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious 
> the
New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!
> 
> Best - Ken
> 
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100
From: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
Subject: Re: [ilds] Nin and Durrell
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Ken,

Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in his
twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to
many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that
would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a
hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose
imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for
sharing Ken.

Sent from my iPad

> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
wrote:
> 
> Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.
> 
> Paul Herron, your response?
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage 
>> <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> 
>> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 
>> 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?
>> 
>> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious 
>> the
New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!
>> 
>> Best - Ken
>> 
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:38:10 -0800
From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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Subject: [ilds] Nin & Heraldic
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Hi Ken,

On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:
> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe

I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? 
Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936,
undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or
October based on the publication in September of the materials in the
Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding).  He uses
the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/,
which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date
correctly).

> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love 
> of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' 
> Durrell must have talked about it a great deal. Was he seeing things? 
> Living in his own private Idaho so to speak?

I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic.  In one it's an interior
world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the
"intimate" you also quote from Nin.  That is, where does the personal
flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as
an interiority or imaginary world.

Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd
assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.

All best,
James


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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:29:59 +0100
From: Marc Piel <marc at marcpiel.fr>
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I have serious doubts about "the greasy, slippery, putrid world of
Montparnasse.".....
@+ Marc

Le 24/02/16 22:24, Kennedy Gammage a ?crit :
> the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:24:11 -0800
From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
To: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>,	Sumantra Nag
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Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ilds] Nin & Heraldic
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I see Durrell?s use of ?Heraldic? as representing some extra dimension of
reality, accessible through the imagination, intuition, or some kind of
praxis:  ?Transcending logic it [Heraldic] invades a realm where unreason
reigns, and where the relations between ideas are sympathetic and
mysterious?affective?rather than casual, objective, substitutional.?  This
from ?Ideas about Poems? in Personal Landscape:  An Anthology of Exile
(London 1945).  See also Gifford?s edition of From the Elephant?s Back
(2015).

Here I would bring in Hermann Broch?s idea of an ?ultimate reality,? as
expressed in The Death of Virgil (1945).  Perhaps only superficial, the
similarities need to be fully explored.

Nevertheless, ?the Heraldic Universe? is Durrell?s lifelong concern, where
he has an inkling of a reality beyond reality, which is very Eastern.
Hence, he calls himself a Taoist in A Smile in the Mind?s Eye (1980).

Bruce



> On Feb 24, 2016, at 3:38 PM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:
>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe
> 
> I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937?
Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936,
undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or
October based on the publication in September of the materials in the
Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding).  He uses
the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/,
which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date
correctly).
> 
>> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love 
>> of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' 
>> Durrell must have talked about it a great deal. Was he seeing things? 
>> Living in his own private Idaho so to speak?
> 
> I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic.  In one it's an
interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do
with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin.  That is, where does the
personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same
thing as an interiority or imaginary world.
> 
> Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd
assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.
> 
> All best,
> James
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