[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 13

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HERALDIC UNIVERSE
Although I have written about this extensively, I am of the increasing belief that to probe the 'Heraldic Universe' as if it were something we might analyse at an anatomy lesson, using critical tools, is less than helpful. How does one describe the moment of one's death? Not even V Woolf could do that (well, she didn't describe much else either). How does one describe any sense of transcendence - such as Christians believe to occur during the Eucharist - the transubstantiation - ? How does a Buddhist describe the concept or the experience of Nirvana? No, it's not a runner except for the poet who knows it. You can't explain the Heraldic Universe with a scholarly footnote. Leave it alone. Nuff said.
RP 
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Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org) 2. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Kennedy Gammage) 3. Fwd: Nin and Durrell (James Gifford) 4. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Sky Blue Press) 5. Nin & Heraldic (James Gifford) 6. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Marc Piel) 7. Re: Nin & Heraldic (Bruce Redwine)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:14:48 +0000From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.orgTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that, although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over SEXUS. It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of her writing.As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant, scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously, have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions, even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography) which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2 husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.RP -----Original Message----- From: ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca]Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:01 PMTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larr! y (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML ! attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who ha! s been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larr! y in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human,! he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds---! ---------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:24:35 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next paragraph:she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked intimately. Theyrecoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece again, after walkingthrough the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse. "It is not amoral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic"world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talkedabout it a great deal. Was he seeing things? Living in his own privateIdaho so to speak? Not Henry though. He lived wherever he was living andwrote about it (with the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)Cheers - KenOn Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:14 PM,  wrote:> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and> other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,> although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell> and H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both> in print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't> been bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the> friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that> of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over> SEXUS.> It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy> in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I> think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly> (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me> and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I> don't think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly> pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of> her writing.> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard> the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the> various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,> have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A> pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,> even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)> which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think> attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence> and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2> husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was> ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to> be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.> RP>> -----Original Message-----> *From:* ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca]> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:01 PM> *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca> *Subject:* ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12>> Send ILDS mailing list submissions to ilds at lists.uvic.ca To subscribe or> unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds or, via email, send a message> with subject or body 'help' to ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca You can reach> the person managing the list at ilds-owner at lists.uvic.ca When replying,> please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of> ILDS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re:> Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David> Green)> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800 From: Kennedy Gammage To:> ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: Content-Type:> text/plain; charset="utf-8" ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary> Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is> mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she> clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of> Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the> golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic> gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the> imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited> by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? I guess the> main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They> owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! Best - Ken -------------- next> part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------> Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800 From: Bruce Redwine To:> ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: <> 9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net> Content-Type:> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken is enthusiastic and convincing. Paul Herron,> your response? Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM,> Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary> Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is> mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she> clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of> Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the> golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic> gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the> imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited> by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? > > I guess the> main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They> owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! > > Best - Ken > >> _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15> +1100 From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re:> [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: <> 41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au> Content-Type:> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken, Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive> description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities> that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease> with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the> symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a> masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience> rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken. Sent from my iPad > On 24 Feb> 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > > Ken is enthusiastic and> convincing. > > Paul Herron, your response? > > > Bruce > > Sent from my> iPhone > >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: >> >>> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13> arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in> passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a> whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two> 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the> blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and> human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,> quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he> has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by> revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He> walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? >> >> I guess> the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York> Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an> embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! >> >> Best -> Ken >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing> list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer> _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12> *************************************>>> _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds>>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:14:23 -0800From: James Gifford To: ILDS Listserv Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <56CE394F.9030508 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedI think Bruce meant this for the list not just the administrators (forward below).-------- Forwarded Message --------Subject: Nin and DurrellDate: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:49:01 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caCC: Bruce Redwine I agree with Ken that Durrell seems to live at times in an ?other? reality. ?Heraldic? seems related to ?the kingdom of the imagination,? which is not necessarily reality based. To wit, he can write about places in /The Greek Islands/ which he probably never visited.I also find interesting Richard on Durrell?s relationship with Nin. Durrell?s public comments on Ana?s were enthusiastic, his private statements considerably otherwise. My sense is that Durrell in public was supportive of fellow writers, particularly those in his own circle, although his personal opinions of them may be critical, perhaps even scathing. I guess he had what Conrad called, in another context, ?the fellowship of the craft.?Bruce> On Feb 24, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage> > wrote:>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next> paragraph: she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked> intimately. They recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece> again, after walking through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of> Montparnasse. "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the> other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked about it a great deal.> Was he seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so to speak? Not> Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and wrote about it (with> the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)>> Cheers - Ken------------------------------Message: 4Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:10:50 -0600From: "Sky Blue Press" To: Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: <020c01d16f58$9ad60ee0$d0822ca0$@skybluepress.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"Ken and Bruce, during the Trapeze years (1947-1955) Nin had almost nocontact with Durrell, who, like many of her Paris friends, was estrangedfrom her by time and distance. However, we shall discover that after Durrellreleased Justine (1957), their relationship was rekindled, just and Nin'sand Miller's was after the Tropics were finally unbanned. What results arevisits to Sommiere, much correspondence, affinities, disagreements,betrayals (in Nin's mind), jealousy, misunderstanding, but an enduring love.That shall come later.The New York Times, as mentioned in Australian scholar Jessica Gilbey's finearticle in Caf? 13, seemed to have a vendetta against Anais Nin (andperhaps still does), and they stooped to out-and-out sexism, puritanism, andblatant nastiness that seemed to be engrained in the culture of thereviewers, from the 1940s through the 1990s when the unexpurgated diariesinspired some of the most venomous attacks I've ever seen against anestablished writer. The fact they refused to review the most recent diary,Mirages, is another stone in that mosaic. Anyway, I, as editor of the journal, am very pleased with the contents andthe talents of all the writers who contributed, and you can find Ken'spoetry there, the spirit of which fits beautifully with the soul of thepublication. Paul-----Original Message-----From: ILDS [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Ofilds-request at lists.uvic.caSent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:01 PMTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than"Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL:------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious theNew York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in histwenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive tomany women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is thatwould later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became ahogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whoseimagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks forsharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious theNew York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************------------------------------Message: 5Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:38:10 -0800From: James Gifford To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin & HeraldicMessage-ID: <56CE3EE2.6060208 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowedHi Ken,On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic UniverseI'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936, undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or October based on the publication in September of the materials in the Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding). He uses the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/, which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date correctly).> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in> Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell> must have talked about it a great deal. Was he> seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so> to speak?I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic. In one it's an interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin. That is, where does the personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as an interiority or imaginary world.Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.All best,James------------------------------Message: 6Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:29:59 +0100From: Marc Piel To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: <56CE4B07.9080902 at marcpiel.fr>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"I have serious doubts about "the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse."..... at + MarcLe 24/02/16 22:24, Kennedy Gammage a ?crit :> the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse.-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 7Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:24:11 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: James Gifford ,	Sumantra Nag	Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds] Nin & HeraldicMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"I see Durrell?s use of ?Heraldic? as representing some extra dimension of reality, accessible through the imagination, intuition, or some kind of praxis: ?Transcending logic it [Heraldic] invades a realm where unreason reigns, and where the relations between ideas are sympathetic and mysterious?affective?rather than casual, objective, substitutional.? This from ?Ideas about Poems? in Personal Landscape: An Anthology of Exile (London 1945). See also Gifford?s edition of From the Elephant?s Back (2015).Here I would bring in Hermann Broch?s idea of an ?ultimate reality,? as expressed in The Death of Virgil (1945). Perhaps only superficial, the similarities need to be fully explored.Nevertheless, ?the Heraldic Universe? is Durrell?s lifelong concern, where he has an inkling of a reality beyond reality, which is very Eastern. Hence, he calls himself a Taoist in A Smile in the Mind?s Eye (1980).Bruce> On Feb 24, 2016, at 3:38 PM, James Gifford  wrote:> > Hi Ken,> > On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe> > I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936, undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or October based on the publication in September of the materials in the Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding). He uses the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/, which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date correctly).> >> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is>> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in>> Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell>> must have talked about it a great deal. Was he>> seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so>> to speak?> > I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic. In one it's an interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin. That is, where does the personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as an interiority or imaginary world.> > Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.> > All best,> James> _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 13*************************************
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