From giacomoesposito72 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 00:53:18 2016
From: giacomoesposito72 at gmail.com (james Esposito)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 10:53:18 +0200
Subject: [ilds] Durrell mention in TNY 2/22/16
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I have a copy of the original edition with the wonderful evocative photos.
I also bought a copy of the reprint - a small paperback - which has no
photos. When I inquired about the absence of the photos I was told that
Fabers had bought the photos from agency George Rainbird Ltd for the
original edition only, and the reason for not including them in the reprint
was either that the photos were no longer available or the price was
prohibitive. Either way, the photos enhance the text enormously, and the
picture-less edition is far less interesting.
James Esposito

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It's in the FOOD & DRINK section of The New Yorker on page 15. Nicolas
> Niarchos opens his review of a Greek restaurant like this:
>
> 'SOME TIME HAS passed since Lawrence Durrell, in his book "The Greek
> Islands," cited a friend's claim that retsina tastes like "pure turpentine
> which has been strained through the socks of a bishop."'
>
> I maintain that _The Greek Islands_ is long overdue for a positive
> reappraisal.
>
> Cheers - Ken
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:14:50 +0000
Subject: [ilds] Durrell mention in TNY 2/22/16
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I have a copy of the original edition with the wonderful evocative photos. I also bought a copy of the reprint - a small paperback - which has no photos. When I inquired about the absence of the photos I was told that Fabers had bought the photos from agency George Rainbird Ltd for the original edition only, and the reason for not including them in the reprint was either that the photos were no longer available or the price was prohibitive. Either way, the photos enhance the text enormously, and the picture-less edition is far less interesting.
James Esposito

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com<mailto:gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>> wrote:
It's in the FOOD & DRINK section of The New Yorker on page 15. Nicolas Niarchos opens his review of a Greek restaurant like this:

'SOME TIME HAS passed since Lawrence Durrell, in his book "The Greek Islands," cited a friend's claim that retsina tastes like "pure turpentine which has been strained through the socks of a bishop."'

I maintain that _The Greek Islands_ is long overdue for a positive reappraisal.

Cheers - Ken

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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Mon Feb 22 12:26:56 2016
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:26:56 +1100
Subject: [ilds] Durrell mention in TNY 2/22/16
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I have an a A4 sized hardback edition by Faber with black and white and coloured photographs. It is wonderful.
Last year I travelled to Durrell?s Provence. I have been to Corfu and Crete. Next time it must be Rhodes, Cyprus etc. All good fun.
I reckon retsina tastes great. Although the next day your mouth can feel a bit odd. best drunk alongside octopus in red sauce.

David


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> On 22 Feb 2016, at 7:53 pm, james Esposito <giacomoesposito72 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a copy of the original edition with the wonderful evocative photos. I also bought a copy of the reprint - a small paperback - which has no photos. When I inquired about the absence of the photos I was told that Fabers had bought the photos from agency George Rainbird Ltd for the original edition only, and the reason for not including them in the reprint was either that the photos were no longer available or the price was prohibitive. Either way, the photos enhance the text enormously, and the picture-less edition is far less interesting.
> James Esposito
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com <mailto:gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>> wrote:
> It's in the FOOD & DRINK section of The New Yorker on page 15. Nicolas Niarchos opens his review of a Greek restaurant like this:
> 
> 'SOME TIME HAS passed since Lawrence Durrell, in his book "The Greek Islands," cited a friend's claim that retsina tastes like "pure turpentine which has been strained through the socks of a bishop."'
> 
> I maintain that _The Greek Islands_ is long overdue for a positive reappraisal.
> 
> Cheers - Ken
> 
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From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 18:07:52 2016
From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Nin and Durrell
Message-ID: <CANDhJnQbhMwnLungrv3SgqRtpRs+sS4o7CNVhuxCou7GSGGNLw@mail.gmail.com>

ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a
whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin,
the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by
revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He
walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has
become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not
want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?

I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New
York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!

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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 23 19:22:08 2016
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Nin and Durrell
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Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.

Paul Herron, your response?


Bruce

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?
> 
> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!
> 
> Best - Ken
> 
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Tue Feb 23 20:33:15 2016
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100
Subject: [ilds] Nin and Durrell
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Ken,

Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.

Sent from my iPad

> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.
> 
> Paul Herron, your response?
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?
>> 
>> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!
>> 
>> Best - Ken
>> 
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From mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org  Wed Feb 24 13:14:48 2016
From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org (mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:14:48 +0000
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12
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>From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that, although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over SEXUS. 
It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of her writing.
As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant, scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously, have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions, even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography) which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2 husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.
RP 
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For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. 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She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine  wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage  wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************
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From gammage.kennedy at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 13:24:35 2016
From: gammage.kennedy at gmail.com (Kennedy Gammage)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:24:35 -0800
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12
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Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next paragraph:
she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked intimately. They
recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece again, after walking
through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse. "It is not a
moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic"
world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked
about it a great deal. Was he seeing things? Living in his own private
Idaho so to speak? Not Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and
wrote about it (with the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)

Cheers - Ken

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:14 PM, <mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:

> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and
> other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,
> although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell
>  and H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both
> in print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't
> been bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the
> friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that
> of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over
> SEXUS.
> It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy
> in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I
> think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly
> (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me
> and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I
> don't think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly
> pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of
> her writing.
> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,
> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard
> the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the
> various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,
> have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A
> pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,
> even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)
> which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think
> attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence
> and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2
> husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was
> ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to
> be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.
> RP
>
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> text/plain; charset="utf-8" ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary
> Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is
> mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she
> clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of
> Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the
> golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic
> gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of
> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the
> imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited
> by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.
> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has
> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not
> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? I guess the
> main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times
> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They
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> your response? Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM,
> Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary
> Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is
> mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she
> clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of
> Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the
> golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic
> gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of
> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the
> imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited
> by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.
> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has
> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not
> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? > > I guess the
> main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times
> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They
> owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! > > Best - Ken > >
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> 41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken, Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive
> description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities
> that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease
> with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the
> symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a
> masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience
> rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken. Sent from my iPad > On 24 Feb
> 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > > Ken is enthusiastic and
> convincing. > > Paul Herron, your response? > > > Bruce > > Sent from my
> iPhone > >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: >> >>
> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13
> arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
> passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a
> whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
> 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
> blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
> human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
> quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
> has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by
> revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He
> walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has
> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not
> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? >> >> I guess
> the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York
> Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
> embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! >> >> Best -
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From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:14:23 -0800
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I think Bruce meant this for the list not just the administrators 
(forward below).

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I agree with Ken that Durrell seems to live at times in an ?other? 
reality.  ?Heraldic? seems related to ?the kingdom of the imagination,? 
which is not necessarily reality based.  To wit, he can write about 
places in /The Greek Islands/ which he probably never visited.

I also find interesting Richard on Durrell?s relationship with Nin. 
Durrell?s public comments on Ana?s were enthusiastic, his private 
statements considerably otherwise.  My sense is that Durrell in public 
was supportive of fellow writers, particularly those in his own circle, 
although his personal opinions of them may be critical, perhaps even 
scathing.  I guess he had what Conrad called, in another context, ?the 
fellowship of the craft.?

Bruce




> On Feb 24, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage
> <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com <mailto:gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next
> paragraph: she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked
> intimately. They recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece
> again, after walking through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of
> Montparnasse. "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is
> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the
> other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked about it a great deal.
> Was he seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so to speak? Not
> Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and wrote about it (with
> the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)
>
> Cheers - Ken

From skybluepress at skybluepress.com  Wed Feb 24 15:10:50 2016
From: skybluepress at skybluepress.com (Sky Blue Press)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:10:50 -0600
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12
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Ken and Bruce, during the Trapeze years (1947-1955) Nin had almost no
contact with Durrell, who, like many of her Paris friends, was estranged
from her by time and distance. However, we shall discover that after Durrell
released Justine (1957), their relationship was rekindled, just and Nin's
and Miller's was after the Tropics were finally unbanned. What results are
visits to Sommiere, much correspondence, affinities, disagreements,
betrayals (in Nin's mind), jealousy, misunderstanding, but an enduring love.
That shall come later.

The New York Times, as mentioned in Australian scholar Jessica Gilbey's fine
article in Caf? 13, seemed to have a  vendetta against Anais Nin (and
perhaps still does), and they stooped to out-and-out sexism, puritanism, and
blatant nastiness that seemed to be engrained in the culture of the
reviewers, from the 1940s through the 1990s when the unexpurgated diaries
inspired some of the most venomous attacks I've ever seen against an
established writer. The fact they refused to review the most recent diary,
Mirages, is another stone in that mosaic. 

Anyway, I, as editor of the journal, am very pleased with the contents and
the talents of all the writers who contributed, and you can find Ken's
poetry there, the spirit of which fits beautifully with the soul of the
publication. 

Paul

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800
From: Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
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ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?

I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New
York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!

Best - Ken
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Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.

Paul Herron, your response?


Bruce

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?
> 
> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the
New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!
> 
> Best - Ken
> 
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100
From: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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Ken,

Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in his
twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to
many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that
would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a
hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose
imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for
sharing Ken.

Sent from my iPad

> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
wrote:
> 
> Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.
> 
> Paul Herron, your response?
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> 
>> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?
>> 
>> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the
New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!
>> 
>> Best - Ken
>> 
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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 15:38:10 2016
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:38:10 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Nin & Heraldic
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Hi Ken,

On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:
> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe

I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? 
Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 
1936, undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely 
September or October based on the publication in September of the 
materials in the Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was 
responding).  He uses the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's 
/Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/, which would have been right around Nin's 
comments (if I'm intuiting the date correctly).

> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is
> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in
> Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell
> must have talked about it a great deal. Was he
> seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so
> to speak?

I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic.  In one it's an 
interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to 
do with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin.  That is, where does the 
personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the 
same thing as an interiority or imaginary world.

Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and 
I'd assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.

All best,
James

From marc at marcpiel.fr  Wed Feb 24 16:29:59 2016
From: marc at marcpiel.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:29:59 +0100
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12
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I have serious doubts about "the greasy, slippery, 
putrid world of Montparnasse.".....
@+ Marc

Le 24/02/16 22:24, Kennedy Gammage a ?crit :
> the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse.

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From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:24:11 -0800
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I see Durrell?s use of ?Heraldic? as representing some extra dimension of reality, accessible through the imagination, intuition, or some kind of praxis:  ?Transcending logic it [Heraldic] invades a realm where unreason reigns, and where the relations between ideas are sympathetic and mysterious?affective?rather than casual, objective, substitutional.?  This from ?Ideas about Poems? in Personal Landscape:  An Anthology of Exile (London 1945).  See also Gifford?s edition of From the Elephant?s Back (2015).

Here I would bring in Hermann Broch?s idea of an ?ultimate reality,? as expressed in The Death of Virgil (1945).  Perhaps only superficial, the similarities need to be fully explored.

Nevertheless, ?the Heraldic Universe? is Durrell?s lifelong concern, where he has an inkling of a reality beyond reality, which is very Eastern.  Hence, he calls himself a Taoist in A Smile in the Mind?s Eye (1980).

Bruce



> On Feb 24, 2016, at 3:38 PM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:
>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe
> 
> I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936, undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or October based on the publication in September of the materials in the Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding).  He uses the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/, which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date correctly).
> 
>> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is
>> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in
>> Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell
>> must have talked about it a great deal. Was he
>> seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so
>> to speak?
> 
> I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic.  In one it's an interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin.  That is, where does the personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as an interiority or imaginary world.
> 
> Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.
> 
> All best,
> James
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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 13:04:56 2016
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:04:56 -0800
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 > Here I would bring in Hermann Broch?s idea of
 > an ?ultimate reality,? as expressed in /The
 > Death of Virgil/ (1945).  Perhaps only
 > superficial, the similarities need to be fully
 > explored.

I meant to respond to this earlier, Bruce, but got caught up in other 
things (the ILDS just hosted two very successful panels at the 
Louisville conference).  I must admit I've never read Broch's /Death of 
Virgil/, but his name has popped up around Durrell before.  A quick 
check shows Alan Warren Friedman and Victor Brombert connecting them 
through their use of myth.  Durrell and Broch both published in /The 
Chimera/ as well.

On 2016-02-24 5:24 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> I see Durrell?s use of ?Heraldic? as representing some extra dimension
> of reality, accessible through the imagination, intuition, or some kind
> of praxis:  ?Transcending logic it [Heraldic] invades a realm where
> unreason reigns, and where the relations between ideas are sympathetic
> and mysterious?affective?rather than casual, objective, substitutional.?
>   This from ?Ideas about Poems? in /Personal Landscape:  An Anthology of
> Exile/ (London 1945).  See also Gifford?s edition of /From the
> Elephant?s Back/ (2015).

I'd be inclined to think of the invasion a bit differently, stressing as 
it does the Heraldic's influence on other places rather than a place of 
its own.  The "unreason" too strikes me as borrowing from the Surrealist 
impulse from which Durrell first articulated it as a concept.  I must 
admit though, I'm not inclined to see it as a spiritual matter and 
suspect discussing it in those terms can be a distraction.

The full letter to Miller in which Durrell first mentions it was a point 
by point response to Herbert Read's speech on Surrealism, which he'd 
sent to Miller and Miller sent to Durrell.  It's detailed in the 
Miller-Read letters.  Setting the three side by side by side, there 
really isn't any doubt about what Durrell was responding to, and I see 
that as shaping how the term operates in its later repetitions.

All best,
James

From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 13:07:45 2016
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:07:45 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Nin & Heraldic
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Hello all,

I was talking with Isabelle Keller-Privat today, and she mentioned the 
very warm, she said intimate but without the connotations, 
correspondence between Durrell and Nin.  It is, of course, 
unpublished...  Still, this might shape our sense of how they engaged 
with each other.

Has anyone here read it carefully?

All best,
James

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:48:30 +0000
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 13
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HERALDIC UNIVERSE
Although I have written about this extensively, I am of the increasing belief that to probe the 'Heraldic Universe' as if it were something we might analyse at an anatomy lesson, using critical tools, is less than helpful. How does one describe the moment of one's death? Not even V Woolf could do that (well, she didn't describe much else either). How does one describe any sense of transcendence - such as Christians believe to occur during the Eucharist - the transubstantiation - ? How does a Buddhist describe the concept or the experience of Nirvana? No, it's not a runner except for the poet who knows it. You can't explain the Heraldic Universe with a scholarly footnote. Leave it alone. Nuff said.
RP 
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Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org) 2. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Kennedy Gammage) 3. Fwd: Nin and Durrell (James Gifford) 4. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Sky Blue Press) 5. Nin & Heraldic (James Gifford) 6. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Marc Piel) 7. Re: Nin & Heraldic (Bruce Redwine)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:14:48 +0000From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.orgTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that, although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over SEXUS. It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of her writing.As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant, scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously, have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions, even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography) which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2 husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.RP -----Original Message----- From: ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca]Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:01 PMTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larr! y (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML ! attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who ha! s been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larr! y in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human,! he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds---! ---------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:24:35 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next paragraph:she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked intimately. Theyrecoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece again, after walkingthrough the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse. "It is not amoral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic"world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talkedabout it a great deal. Was he seeing things? Living in his own privateIdaho so to speak? Not Henry though. He lived wherever he was living andwrote about it (with the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)Cheers - KenOn Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:14 PM,  wrote:> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and> other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,> although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell> and H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both> in print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't> been bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the> friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that> of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over> SEXUS.> It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy> in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I> think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly> (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me> and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I> don't think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly> pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of> her writing.> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard> the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the> various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,> have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A> pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,> even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)> which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think> attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence> and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2> husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was> ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to> be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.> RP>> -----Original Message-----> *From:* ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca]> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:01 PM> *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca> *Subject:* ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12>> Send ILDS mailing list submissions to ilds at lists.uvic.ca To subscribe or> unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds or, via email, send a message> with subject or body 'help' to ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca You can reach> the person managing the list at ilds-owner at lists.uvic.ca When replying,> please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of> ILDS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re:> Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David> Green)> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800 From: Kennedy Gammage To:> ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: Content-Type:> text/plain; charset="utf-8" ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary> Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is> mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she> clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of> Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the> golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic> gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the> imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited> by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? I guess the> main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They> owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! Best - Ken -------------- next> part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------> Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800 From: Bruce Redwine To:> ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: <> 9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net> Content-Type:> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken is enthusiastic and convincing. Paul Herron,> your response? Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM,> Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary> Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is> mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she> clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of> Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the> golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic> gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the> imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited> by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? > > I guess the> main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They> owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! > > Best - Ken > >> _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15> +1100 From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re:> [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: <> 41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au> Content-Type:> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken, Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive> description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities> that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease> with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the> symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a> masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience> rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken. Sent from my iPad > On 24 Feb> 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > > Ken is enthusiastic and> convincing. > > Paul Herron, your response? > > > Bruce > > Sent from my> iPhone > >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: >> >>> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13> arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in> passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a> whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two> 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the> blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and> human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,> quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he> has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by> revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He> walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? >> >> I guess> the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York> Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an> embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! >> >> Best -> Ken >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing> list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer> _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12> *************************************>>> _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds>>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:14:23 -0800From: James Gifford To: ILDS Listserv Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <56CE394F.9030508 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedI think Bruce meant this for the list not just the administrators (forward below).-------- Forwarded Message --------Subject: Nin and DurrellDate: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:49:01 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caCC: Bruce Redwine I agree with Ken that Durrell seems to live at times in an ?other? reality. ?Heraldic? seems related to ?the kingdom of the imagination,? which is not necessarily reality based. To wit, he can write about places in /The Greek Islands/ which he probably never visited.I also find interesting Richard on Durrell?s relationship with Nin. Durrell?s public comments on Ana?s were enthusiastic, his private statements considerably otherwise. My sense is that Durrell in public was supportive of fellow writers, particularly those in his own circle, although his personal opinions of them may be critical, perhaps even scathing. I guess he had what Conrad called, in another context, ?the fellowship of the craft.?Bruce> On Feb 24, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage> > wrote:>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next> paragraph: she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked> intimately. They recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece> again, after walking through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of> Montparnasse. "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the> other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked about it a great deal.> Was he seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so to speak? Not> Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and wrote about it (with> the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)>> Cheers - Ken------------------------------Message: 4Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:10:50 -0600From: "Sky Blue Press" To: Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: <020c01d16f58$9ad60ee0$d0822ca0$@skybluepress.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"Ken and Bruce, during the Trapeze years (1947-1955) Nin had almost nocontact with Durrell, who, like many of her Paris friends, was estrangedfrom her by time and distance. However, we shall discover that after Durrellreleased Justine (1957), their relationship was rekindled, just and Nin'sand Miller's was after the Tropics were finally unbanned. What results arevisits to Sommiere, much correspondence, affinities, disagreements,betrayals (in Nin's mind), jealousy, misunderstanding, but an enduring love.That shall come later.The New York Times, as mentioned in Australian scholar Jessica Gilbey's finearticle in Caf? 13, seemed to have a vendetta against Anais Nin (andperhaps still does), and they stooped to out-and-out sexism, puritanism, andblatant nastiness that seemed to be engrained in the culture of thereviewers, from the 1940s through the 1990s when the unexpurgated diariesinspired some of the most venomous attacks I've ever seen against anestablished writer. The fact they refused to review the most recent diary,Mirages, is another stone in that mosaic. Anyway, I, as editor of the journal, am very pleased with the contents andthe talents of all the writers who contributed, and you can find Ken'spoetry there, the spirit of which fits beautifully with the soul of thepublication. Paul-----Original Message-----From: ILDS [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Ofilds-request at lists.uvic.caSent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:01 PMTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than"Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL:------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious theNew York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in histwenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive tomany women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is thatwould later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became ahogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whoseimagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks forsharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious theNew York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************------------------------------Message: 5Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:38:10 -0800From: James Gifford To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin & HeraldicMessage-ID: <56CE3EE2.6060208 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowedHi Ken,On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic UniverseI'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936, undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or October based on the publication in September of the materials in the Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding). He uses the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/, which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date correctly).> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in> Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell> must have talked about it a great deal. Was he> seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so> to speak?I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic. In one it's an interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin. That is, where does the personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as an interiority or imaginary world.Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.All best,James------------------------------Message: 6Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:29:59 +0100From: Marc Piel To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: <56CE4B07.9080902 at marcpiel.fr>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"I have serious doubts about "the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse."..... at + MarcLe 24/02/16 22:24, Kennedy Gammage a ?crit :> the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse.-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 7Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:24:11 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: James Gifford ,	Sumantra Nag	Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds] Nin & HeraldicMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"I see Durrell?s use of ?Heraldic? as representing some extra dimension of reality, accessible through the imagination, intuition, or some kind of praxis: ?Transcending logic it [Heraldic] invades a realm where unreason reigns, and where the relations between ideas are sympathetic and mysterious?affective?rather than casual, objective, substitutional.? This from ?Ideas about Poems? in Personal Landscape: An Anthology of Exile (London 1945). See also Gifford?s edition of From the Elephant?s Back (2015).Here I would bring in Hermann Broch?s idea of an ?ultimate reality,? as expressed in The Death of Virgil (1945). Perhaps only superficial, the similarities need to be fully explored.Nevertheless, ?the Heraldic Universe? is Durrell?s lifelong concern, where he has an inkling of a reality beyond reality, which is very Eastern. Hence, he calls himself a Taoist in A Smile in the Mind?s Eye (1980).Bruce> On Feb 24, 2016, at 3:38 PM, James Gifford  wrote:> > Hi Ken,> > On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe> > I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936, undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or October based on the publication in September of the materials in the Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding). He uses the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/, which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date correctly).> >> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is>> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in>> Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell>> must have talked about it a great deal. Was he>> seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so>> to speak?> > I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic. In one it's an interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin. That is, where does the personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as an interiority or imaginary world.> > Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.> > All best,> James> _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 13*************************************
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HERALDIC UNIVERSE
Although I have written about this extensively, I am of the increasing belief that to probe the 'Heraldic Universe' as if it were something we might analyse at an anatomy lesson, using critical tools, is less than helpful. How does one describe the moment of one's death? Not even V Woolf could do that (well, she didn't describe much else either). How does one describe any sense of transcendence - such as Christians believe to occur during the Eucharist - the transubstantiation - ? How does a Buddhist describe the concept or the experience of Nirvana? No, it's not a runner except for the poet who knows it. You can't explain the Heraldic Universe with a scholarly footnote. Leave it alone. Nuff said.
RP 
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Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org) 2. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Kennedy Gammage) 3. Fwd: Nin and Durrell (James Gifford) 4. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Sky Blue Press) 5. Nin & Heraldic (James Gifford) 6. Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 (Marc Piel) 7. Re: Nin & Heraldic (Bruce Redwine)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:14:48 +0000From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.orgTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that, although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over SEXUS. It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of her writing.As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant, scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously, have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions, even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography) which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2 husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.RP -----Original Message----- From: ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca]Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:01 PMTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larr! y (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML ! attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who ha! s been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larr! y in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human,! he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds---! ---------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:24:35 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next paragraph:she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked intimately. Theyrecoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece again, after walkingthrough the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse. "It is not amoral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic"world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talkedabout it a great deal. Was he seeing things? Living in his own privateIdaho so to speak? Not Henry though. He lived wherever he was living andwrote about it (with the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)Cheers - KenOn Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:14 PM,  wrote:> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and> other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,> although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell> and H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both> in print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't> been bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the> friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that> of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over> SEXUS.> It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy> in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I> think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly> (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me> and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I> don't think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly> pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of> her writing.> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard> the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the> various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,> have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A> pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,> even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)> which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think> attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence> and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2> husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was> ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to> be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.> RP>> -----Original Message-----> *From:* ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca]> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:01 PM> *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca> *Subject:* ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12>> Send ILDS mailing list submissions to ilds at lists.uvic.ca To subscribe or> unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds or, via email, send a message> with subject or body 'help' to ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca You can reach> the person managing the list at ilds-owner at lists.uvic.ca When replying,> please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of> ILDS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re:> Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David> Green)> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800 From: Kennedy Gammage To:> ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: Content-Type:> text/plain; charset="utf-8" ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary> Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is> mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she> clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of> Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the> golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic> gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the> imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited> by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? I guess the> main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They> owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! Best - Ken -------------- next> part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------> Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800 From: Bruce Redwine To:> ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: <> 9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net> Content-Type:> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken is enthusiastic and convincing. Paul Herron,> your response? Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM,> Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary> Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is> mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she> clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of> Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the> golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic> gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the> imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited> by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? > > I guess the> main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They> owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! > > Best - Ken > >> _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15> +1100 From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re:> [ilds] Nin and Durrell Message-ID: <> 41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au> Content-Type:> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken, Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive> description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities> that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease> with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the> symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a> masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience> rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken. Sent from my iPad > On 24 Feb> 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > > Ken is enthusiastic and> convincing. > > Paul Herron, your response? > > > Bruce > > Sent from my> iPhone > >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: >> >>> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13> arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in> passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a> whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two> 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the> blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and> human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,> quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he> has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by> revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He> walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has> become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not> want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? >> >> I guess> the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York> Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an> embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! >> >> Best -> Ken >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing> list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer> _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> ------------------------------ End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12> *************************************>>> _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds>>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:14:23 -0800From: James Gifford To: ILDS Listserv Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <56CE394F.9030508 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedI think Bruce meant this for the list not just the administrators (forward below).-------- Forwarded Message --------Subject: Nin and DurrellDate: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:49:01 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caCC: Bruce Redwine I agree with Ken that Durrell seems to live at times in an ?other? reality. ?Heraldic? seems related to ?the kingdom of the imagination,? which is not necessarily reality based. To wit, he can write about places in /The Greek Islands/ which he probably never visited.I also find interesting Richard on Durrell?s relationship with Nin. Durrell?s public comments on Ana?s were enthusiastic, his private statements considerably otherwise. My sense is that Durrell in public was supportive of fellow writers, particularly those in his own circle, although his personal opinions of them may be critical, perhaps even scathing. I guess he had what Conrad called, in another context, ?the fellowship of the craft.?Bruce> On Feb 24, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage> > wrote:>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next> paragraph: she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked> intimately. They recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece> again, after walking through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of> Montparnasse. "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the> other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked about it a great deal.> Was he seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so to speak? Not> Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and wrote about it (with> the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)>> Cheers - Ken------------------------------Message: 4Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:10:50 -0600From: "Sky Blue Press" To: Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: <020c01d16f58$9ad60ee0$d0822ca0$@skybluepress.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"Ken and Bruce, during the Trapeze years (1947-1955) Nin had almost nocontact with Durrell, who, like many of her Paris friends, was estrangedfrom her by time and distance. However, we shall discover that after Durrellreleased Justine (1957), their relationship was rekindled, just and Nin'sand Miller's was after the Tropics were finally unbanned. What results arevisits to Sommiere, much correspondence, affinities, disagreements,betrayals (in Nin's mind), jealousy, misunderstanding, but an enduring love.That shall come later.The New York Times, as mentioned in Australian scholar Jessica Gilbey's finearticle in Caf? 13, seemed to have a vendetta against Anais Nin (andperhaps still does), and they stooped to out-and-out sexism, puritanism, andblatant nastiness that seemed to be engrained in the culture of thereviewers, from the 1940s through the 1990s when the unexpurgated diariesinspired some of the most venomous attacks I've ever seen against anestablished writer. The fact they refused to review the most recent diary,Mirages, is another stone in that mosaic. Anyway, I, as editor of the journal, am very pleased with the contents andthe talents of all the writers who contributed, and you can find Ken'spoetry there, the spirit of which fits beautifully with the soul of thepublication. Paul-----Original Message-----From: ILDS [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Ofilds-request at lists.uvic.caSent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:01 PMTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than"Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL:------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious theNew York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in histwenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive tomany women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is thatwould later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became ahogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whoseimagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks forsharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a wholelot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, theblond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks thefamiliar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has becomesymbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want tolose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious theNew York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************------------------------------Message: 5Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:38:10 -0800From: James Gifford To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin & HeraldicMessage-ID: <56CE3EE2.6060208 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowedHi Ken,On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic UniverseI'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936, undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or October based on the publication in September of the materials in the Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding). He uses the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/, which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date correctly).> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in> Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell> must have talked about it a great deal. Was he> seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so> to speak?I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic. In one it's an interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin. That is, where does the personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as an interiority or imaginary world.Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.All best,James------------------------------Message: 6Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:29:59 +0100From: Marc Piel To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: <56CE4B07.9080902 at marcpiel.fr>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"I have serious doubts about "the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse."..... at + MarcLe 24/02/16 22:24, Kennedy Gammage a ?crit :> the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse.-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 7Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:24:11 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: James Gifford ,	Sumantra Nag	Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds] Nin & HeraldicMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"I see Durrell?s use of ?Heraldic? as representing some extra dimension of reality, accessible through the imagination, intuition, or some kind of praxis: ?Transcending logic it [Heraldic] invades a realm where unreason reigns, and where the relations between ideas are sympathetic and mysterious?affective?rather than casual, objective, substitutional.? This from ?Ideas about Poems? in Personal Landscape: An Anthology of Exile (London 1945). See also Gifford?s edition of From the Elephant?s Back (2015).Here I would bring in Hermann Broch?s idea of an ?ultimate reality,? as expressed in The Death of Virgil (1945). Perhaps only superficial, the similarities need to be fully explored.Nevertheless, ?the Heraldic Universe? is Durrell?s lifelong concern, where he has an inkling of a reality beyond reality, which is very Eastern. Hence, he calls himself a Taoist in A Smile in the Mind?s Eye (1980).Bruce> On Feb 24, 2016, at 3:38 PM, James Gifford  wrote:> > Hi Ken,> > On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe> > I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936, undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or October based on the publication in September of the materials in the Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding). He uses the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/, which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date correctly).> >> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is>> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in>> Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell>> must have talked about it a great deal. Was he>> seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so>> to speak?> > I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic. In one it's an interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin. That is, where does the personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as an interiority or imaginary world.> > Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.> > All best,> James> _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 13*************************************
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Sure, Anais Nin's popularity has diminished since the height of her fame,
but we overlook one of the biggest reasons: she is no longer around to
inspire in person. It was her persona that drew so many, along with the
work. Now it is up to the rest of us to carry on. I, for one, can only
continue to edit and publish her work and let it into the world where it
will either sink or swim--but it at least has a chance. I do so because I
believe it is valuable and still speaks to the open-minded and open-hearted.
The feedback I get encourages me. I have to add that awareness of and
respect for her work, her insight into her own difficulties and her struggle
to overcome them, a lifelong endeavor, is increasing. There are a lot of new
fans buying her work. An article in The Guardian last year called Nin the
queen of the internet, something she most likely would have loved. A
documentary on her was done in the UK, and there is buzz about a series on
HBO which may use her diaries as a guide for production. So perhaps we are
making a difference in some small way. 

I am used to resistance to her work (or should I say life?) in the ILDS--my
first conference in 1998, whose theme was The Paris of Durrell, Miller and
Nin, found us in empty rooms for the Nin sessions, countering verbal
attacks, especially of the "morality" type, and Carol Peirce bemoaned the
"castigation" of Nin during a plenary session. That said, I feel the
attitudes were changing for the better during subsequent conferences, at
least among a certain number within the organization. I'm not complaining,
it's just the way it is, or was. Regarding the New York Times' history of
bashing of Nin, I would recommend reading Jessica Gilbey's contribution to A
Caf? in Space, vol. 13. She sheds some light on where it comes from. The
article was drawn from her Ph.D. thesis on Nin.

Paul 

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   3. Fwd: Nin and Durrell (James Gifford)
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>From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and
other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,
although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and
H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in
print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been
bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the
friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that
of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over
SEXUS. 
It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in
order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think
(this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and
his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and
as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't
think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly
pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of
her writing.
As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,
scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard
the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the
various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,
have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A
pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,
even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)
which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think
attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence
and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2
husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was
ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to
be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.
RP
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Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin
Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence
Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larr!
 y (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary
of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the
golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic
gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of
nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the
imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited
byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.
Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle
hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does
notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the
main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times
has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They
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text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron,
your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy
Gammage  wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A
CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned,
though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found
him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume
Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,
the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who ha!
 s been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is
a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The
wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting
against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the
reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how
vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it,
it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> >
Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing
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sage: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green
To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:
<41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type:
text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive
description of Larr!
 y in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him
attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world
as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that
later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator
whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks
for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine
wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your
response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM,
Kennedy Gammage  wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary
Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is
mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she
clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of
Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the
golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic
gestures, mellow and human,!
  he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter
tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is
like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a
miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar
streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This
expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth,
the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped
out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50
years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her
fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >>
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Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next paragraph:
she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked intimately. They
recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece again, after walking
through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse. "It is not a
moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic"
world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked
about it a great deal. Was he seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho
so to speak? Not Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and wrote
about it (with the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)

Cheers - Ken

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:14 PM, <mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:

> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, 
> and other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I 
> appreciate that, although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie 
> between Nin, LDurrell  and H Miller, there were huge personal 
> differences. LD bitchily said (both in print and to me personally) 
> that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been bedded by Nin. They 
> had a short war over one of her books, and the friendship (if it was 
> ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that of LD with 
> Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over SEXUS.
> It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted 
> Nancy in order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, 
> but I think (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted 
> Nin publicly (and his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' 
> as he wrote to me and as I published it, was genuine) he never liked 
> her as a person and I don't think his private opinion of her work was 
> as strong as he publicly pretended. Maybe his personal 
> dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of her writing.
> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant, 
> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) 
> disregard the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early 
> stuff. but the various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime 
> and posthumously, have revealed an aspect that would deter many from 
> taking her seriously. A pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and 
> in terms of her perceptions, even her storytelling (as evidenced by 
> her written-to-order pornography) which was unfortunately coloured by 
> her personal problems which I think attracted many women to her work 
> at the height of the feminist resurgence and has since been diminished 
> by, for example, the fact that she kept 2 husbands on either side of 
> the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was ignorant of the 
> other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to be bigamous in
such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.
> RP
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> text/plain; charset="utf-8" ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin 
> Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and 
> Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about 
> Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting 
> than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth 
> re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, 
> the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he 
> has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter 
> tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. 
> He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.
> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle 
> has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He 
> does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? I 
> guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the 
> New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an 
> embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! Best - 
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> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken is enthusiastic and convincing. Paul 
> Herron, your response? Bruce Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2016, at 
> 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote: > > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s 
> Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and 
> Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about 
> Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting 
> than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth 
> re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, 
> the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he 
> has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter 
> tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. 
> He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed.
> He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle 
> has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He 
> does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? > 
> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious 
> the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, 
> it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! 
> > > Best - Ken > > _______________________________________________ > 
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> 41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ken, Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive 
> description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the 
> qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse 
> of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to 
> mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also 
> portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of 
> life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken. Sent from 
> my iPad > On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > > Ken is 
> enthusiastic and convincing. > > Paul Herron, your response? > > > 
> Bruce > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, 
> Kennedy Gammage wrote: >> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin 
> Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and 
> Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about 
> Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting 
> than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
> 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned 
> skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, 
> mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of 
> nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he 
> discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer 
> who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his 
> creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a 
> vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This 
> expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the 
> warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.? >> >> I guess the main 
> thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times 
> has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. 
> They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology! >> >> Best - Ken >> >> 
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I think Bruce meant this for the list not just the administrators (forward
below).

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I agree with Ken that Durrell seems to live at times in an ?other? 
reality.  ?Heraldic? seems related to ?the kingdom of the imagination,? 
which is not necessarily reality based.  To wit, he can write about places
in /The Greek Islands/ which he probably never visited.

I also find interesting Richard on Durrell?s relationship with Nin. 
Durrell?s public comments on Ana?s were enthusiastic, his private statements
considerably otherwise.  My sense is that Durrell in public was supportive
of fellow writers, particularly those in his own circle, although his
personal opinions of them may be critical, perhaps even scathing.  I guess
he had what Conrad called, in another context, ?the fellowship of the
craft.?

Bruce




> On Feb 24, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage 
> <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com <mailto:gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe in the next
> paragraph: she sat down with Durrell and Nancy '...and we talked 
> intimately. They recoil from what I recoil from. They wanted Greece 
> again, after walking through the greasy, slippery, putrid world of 
> Montparnasse. "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is 
> Heraldic." The love of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the 
> other. Not in Henry.' Durrell must have talked about it a great deal.
> Was he seeing things? Living in his own private Idaho so to speak? Not 
> Henry though. He lived wherever he was living and wrote about it (with 
> the possible exception of the Palisades in LA?)
>
> Cheers - Ken


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Ken and Bruce, during the Trapeze years (1947-1955) Nin had almost no
contact with Durrell, who, like many of her Paris friends, was estranged
from her by time and distance. However, we shall discover that after Durrell
released Justine (1957), their relationship was rekindled, just and Nin's
and Miller's was after the Tropics were finally unbanned. What results are
visits to Sommiere, much correspondence, affinities, disagreements,
betrayals (in Nin's mind), jealousy, misunderstanding, but an enduring love.
That shall come later.

The New York Times, as mentioned in Australian scholar Jessica Gilbey's fine
article in Caf? 13, seemed to have a  vendetta against Anais Nin (and
perhaps still does), and they stooped to out-and-out sexism, puritanism, and
blatant nastiness that seemed to be engrained in the culture of the
reviewers, from the 1940s through the 1990s when the unexpurgated diaries
inspired some of the most venomous attacks I've ever seen against an
established writer. The fact they refused to review the most recent diary,
Mirages, is another stone in that mosaic. 

Anyway, I, as editor of the journal, am very pleased with the contents and
the talents of all the writers who contributed, and you can find Ken's
poetry there, the spirit of which fits beautifully with the soul of the
publication. 

Paul

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ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?

I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New
York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!

Best - Ken
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Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.

Paul Herron, your response?


Bruce

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage 
> <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 
> 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?
> 
> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious 
> the
New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!
> 
> Best - Ken
> 
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100
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To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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Ken,

Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in his
twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to
many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that
would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a
hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose
imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for
sharing Ken.

Sent from my iPad

> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
wrote:
> 
> Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.
> 
> Paul Herron, your response?
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage 
>> <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> 
>> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 
>> 13
arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in
passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole
lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two
1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says:  ?Under the golden tanned skin, the
blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and
human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,
quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he
has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations.
There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the
familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become
symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to
lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?
>> 
>> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious 
>> the
New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an
embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!
>> 
>> Best - Ken
>> 
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:38:10 -0800
From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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Hi Ken,

On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:
> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe

I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937? 
Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936,
undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or
October based on the publication in September of the materials in the
Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding).  He uses
the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/,
which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date
correctly).

> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love 
> of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' 
> Durrell must have talked about it a great deal. Was he seeing things? 
> Living in his own private Idaho so to speak?

I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic.  In one it's an interior
world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do with the
"intimate" you also quote from Nin.  That is, where does the personal
flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same thing as
an interiority or imaginary world.

Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd
assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.

All best,
James


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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:29:59 +0100
From: Marc Piel <marc at marcpiel.fr>
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I have serious doubts about "the greasy, slippery, putrid world of
Montparnasse.".....
@+ Marc

Le 24/02/16 22:24, Kennedy Gammage a ?crit :
> the greasy, slippery, putrid world of Montparnasse.

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From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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I see Durrell?s use of ?Heraldic? as representing some extra dimension of
reality, accessible through the imagination, intuition, or some kind of
praxis:  ?Transcending logic it [Heraldic] invades a realm where unreason
reigns, and where the relations between ideas are sympathetic and
mysterious?affective?rather than casual, objective, substitutional.?  This
from ?Ideas about Poems? in Personal Landscape:  An Anthology of Exile
(London 1945).  See also Gifford?s edition of From the Elephant?s Back
(2015).

Here I would bring in Hermann Broch?s idea of an ?ultimate reality,? as
expressed in The Death of Virgil (1945).  Perhaps only superficial, the
similarities need to be fully explored.

Nevertheless, ?the Heraldic Universe? is Durrell?s lifelong concern, where
he has an inkling of a reality beyond reality, which is very Eastern.
Hence, he calls himself a Taoist in A Smile in the Mind?s Eye (1980).

Bruce



> On Feb 24, 2016, at 3:38 PM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> On 2016-02-24 1:24 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:
>> Interesting that she mentions the Heraldic Universe
> 
> I'm not sure of the date of the entry, but was it around August 1937?
Durrell was using the word to correspond with Miller in the Fall of 1936,
undated in the letter (August per MacNiven but more likely September or
October based on the publication in September of the materials in the
Surrealist Bulletin by Herbert Read to which he was responding).  He uses
the term again in his 1938 essay on Miller's /Hamlet/ letters in /Delta/,
which would have been right around Nin's comments (if I'm intuiting the date
correctly).
> 
>> "It is not a moral repulsion," said Larry, "it is Heraldic." The love 
>> of the "heraldic" world in Larry excludes the other. Not in Henry.' 
>> Durrell must have talked about it a great deal. Was he seeing things? 
>> Living in his own private Idaho so to speak?
> 
> I think there are two ways of seeing the Heraldic.  In one it's an
interior world, or private Idaho, but in another it could have much to do
with the "intimate" you also quote from Nin.  That is, where does the
personal flourish free of external constraints, which isn't quite the same
thing as an interiority or imaginary world.
> 
> Of course, Nin would have her own way of understanding it as well, and I'd
assume she would grant greater emphasis to interiority.
> 
> All best,
> James
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 25 13:43:25 2016
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:43:25 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Heraldic Universe
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I think I basically agree with Richard about the ?nature? of the Heraldic Universe as Durrell may have experienced it.  It is not explainable in rational terms (hence his emphasis on irrationality and non-causality), and I don?t think it?s something that can be explained in terms of literary history (which I take Richard to mean by ?scholarly footnote?).  When I previously mentioned ?praxis? as a means of accessibility, I had in mind Durrell?s practice of Yoga as spiritual meditation, not simply physical exercise and a way to fight off the decrepitude of old age.

Re Hermann Broch?s Death of Virgil (1945), an experiment in poetic thought, his notion of ?ultimate reality? seems relevant, especially since it?s ineffable, contradictory, paradoxical, etc., etc.  Seems to me this is what Durrell is also getting at in a way that seems confused and nonsensical only because that state can?t be expressed in rational terms.  As George Steiner and others have pointed out, Broch, in the end, seems to cancel himself out, that is, he rejects literary expression and his own work.  So, the primary theme of DV, namely, Virgil trying to burn the Aeneid.  I don?t think Durrell went this far, but I detect a tendency in this direction.

Bruce





> On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:48 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org wrote:
> 
> HERALDIC UNIVERSE
> Although I have written about this extensively, I am of the increasing belief that to probe the 'Heraldic Universe' as if it were something we might analyse at an anatomy lesson, using critical tools, is less than helpful. How does one describe the moment of one's death? Not even V Woolf could do that (well, she didn't describe much else either). How does one describe any sense of transcendence - such as Christians believe to occur during the Eucharist - the transubstantiation - ? How does a Buddhist describe the concept or the experience of Nirvana? No, it's not a runner except for the poet who knows it. You can't explain the Heraldic Universe with a scholarly footnote. Leave it alone. Nuff said.
> RP 

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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 26 13:27:26 2016
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:27:26 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Nin, Durrell, Miller
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Interesting exchange between Herron and Pine, which highlights the difference between public and private relationships.

I recommend Richard Pine?s previous commentary on the ?three musketeers?:  His ?The End of Our Romantic Life:  The Psychic Hinterland of Nin, Durrell and Miller? in A Caf? in Space:  The Ana?s Nin Literary Journal, 3 (2005), 5-16.  Also, the current issue of Caf? in Space is well worth reading.

Bruce





> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Sky Blue Press <skybluepress at skybluepress.com> wrote:
> 
> Sure, Anais Nin's popularity has diminished since the height of her fame,
> but we overlook one of the biggest reasons: she is no longer around to
> inspire in person. It was her persona that drew so many, along with the
> work. Now it is up to the rest of us to carry on. I, for one, can only
> continue to edit and publish her work and let it into the world where it
> will either sink or swim--but it at least has a chance. I do so because I
> believe it is valuable and still speaks to the open-minded and open-hearted.
> The feedback I get encourages me. I have to add that awareness of and
> respect for her work, her insight into her own difficulties and her struggle
> to overcome them, a lifelong endeavor, is increasing. There are a lot of new
> fans buying her work. An article in The Guardian last year called Nin the
> queen of the internet, something she most likely would have loved. A
> documentary on her was done in the UK, and there is buzz about a series on
> HBO which may use her diaries as a guide for production. So perhaps we are
> making a difference in some small way. 
> 
> I am used to resistance to her work (or should I say life?) in the ILDS--my
> first conference in 1998, whose theme was The Paris of Durrell, Miller and
> Nin, found us in empty rooms for the Nin sessions, countering verbal
> attacks, especially of the "morality" type, and Carol Peirce bemoaned the
> "castigation" of Nin during a plenary session. That said, I feel the
> attitudes were changing for the better during subsequent conferences, at
> least among a certain number within the organization. I'm not complaining,
> it's just the way it is, or was. Regarding the New York Times' history of
> bashing of Nin, I would recommend reading Jessica Gilbey's contribution to A
> Caf? in Space, vol. 13. She sheds some light on where it comes from. The
> article was drawn from her Ph.D. thesis on Nin.
> 
> Paul 
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:14:48 +0000
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> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> 
>> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and
> other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,
> although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and
> H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in
> print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been
> bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the
> friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that
> of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over
> SEXUS. 
> It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in
> order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think
> (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and
> his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and
> as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't
> think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly
> pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of
> her writing.
> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,
> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard
> the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the
> various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,
> have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A
> pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,
> even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)
> which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think
> attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence
> and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2
> husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was
> ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to
> be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.
> RP

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From mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org  Fri Feb 26 14:36:46 2016
From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org (mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:36:46 +0000
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12
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Just to clear up what LD actually wrote to me regarding Nin, Miller and himself:
"We are all such different writers. How to explain our sound solidarity and affection? It was not because of any identity of ideas on style, philosophy, art, etc. etc. I was often irritated by Anais and she by me; also Henry didn't like my 'literary' style. YET DESPITE RESERVATIONS WE WERE QUITE UNSHAKEABLE FRIENDS AND WOULD HAVE GONE THRU FIRE FOR EACH OTHER! We disagreed violently on details but on the grand lines we were quite solidly linked."
Letter LD to RP 20 October 1984 (caps in original).
RP 
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Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. 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She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larry in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine  wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage  wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************
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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 11:51:52 2016
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:51:52 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Happy Birthday
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Hello all,

It's time for a happy birthday to Old D.  Here's a cheeky blog I wrote a 
few years ago for Oxford Dictionaries to follow on the centenary (they 
posted it Nov. 7th to commemorate his death):

   http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/11/a-durrellian-dictionary/

I'll raise a glass this evening, but in the meantime, cheers to all of you.

All best,
James

From wilded at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 27 13:24:13 2016
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"'erre's to them 'as like us - and the devil take the rest."
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Hello all,

It's time for a happy birthday to Old D.  Here's a cheeky blog I wrote a
few years ago for Oxford Dictionaries to follow on the centenary (they
posted it Nov. 7th to commemorate his death):

   http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/11/a-durrellian-dictionary/

I'll raise a glass this evening, but in the meantime, cheers to all of you.

All best,
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From mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org  Sat Feb 27 13:47:39 2016
From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org (mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 21:47:39 +0000
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
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2 points: 1) thank you Bruce - I'd forgotten the title of that chapter of mine - "The End of Our Romantic Life" which I think sums up the fact that there WAS a "romantic life" - the interlude in Paris shared by LD, Nin and Miller, and also that, like any beauty or sense of the merveilleux or transcendence, it must come to an end - like a short-lived heraldic universe - brief butterfly.
2) as regards OED and LD - my favourite citation of LD in the OED is (and this is no doubt because I am resident here) his description of the narrow lanes of Corfu, which he calls "fents" - which the OED picks as the only use of that word with that meaning
RP 
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Happy Birthday (James Gifford)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:27:26 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: Sumantra Nag Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: [ilds] Nin, Durrell, MillerMessage-ID: <14C19597-F263-4ADB-B3A3-A88506A66C7C at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Interesting exchange between Herron and Pine, which highlights the difference between public and private relationships.I recommend Richard Pine?s previous commentary on the ?three musketeers?: His ?The End of Our Romantic Life: The Psychic Hinterland of Nin, Durrell and Miller? in A Caf? in Space: The Ana?s Nin Literary Journal, 3 (2005), 5-16. Also, the current issue of Caf? in Space is well worth reading.Bruce> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Sky Blue Press  wrote:> > Sure, Anais Nin's popularity has diminished since the height of her fame,> but we overlook one of the biggest reasons: she is no longer around to> inspire in person. It was her persona that drew so many, along with the> work. Now it is up to the rest of us to carry on. I, for one, can only> continue to edit and publish her work and let it into the world where it> will either sink or swim--but it at least has a chance. I do so because I> believe it is valuable and still speaks to the open-minded and open-hearted.> The feedback I get encourages me. I have to add that awareness of and> respect for her work, her insight into her own difficulties and her struggle> to overcome them, a lifelong endeavor, is increasing. There are a lot of new> fans buying her work. An article in The Guardian last year called Nin the> queen of the internet, something she most likely would have loved. A> documentary on her was done in the UK, and there is buzz about a series on> HBO which may use her diaries as a guide for production. So perhaps we are> making a difference in some small way. > > I am used to resistance to her work (or should I say life?) in the ILDS--my> first conference in 1998, whose theme was The Paris of Durrell, Miller and> Nin, found us in empty rooms for the Nin sessions, countering verbal> attacks, especially of the "morality" type, and Carol Peirce bemoaned the> "castigation" of Nin during a plenary session. That said, I feel the> attitudes were changing for the better during subsequent conferences, at> least among a certain number within the organization. I'm not complaining,> it's just the way it is, or was. Regarding the New York Times' history of> bashing of Nin, I would recommend reading Jessica Gilbey's contribution to A> Caf? in Space, vol. 13. She sheds some light on where it comes from. The> article was drawn from her Ph.D. thesis on Nin.> > Paul > > > > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:14:48 +0000> From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca> Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> >> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and> other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,> although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and> H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in> print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been> bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the> friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that> of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over> SEXUS. > It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in> order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think> (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and> his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and> as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't> think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly> pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of> her writing.> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard> the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the> various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,> have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A> pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,> even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)> which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think> attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence> and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2> husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was> ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to> be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.> RP-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:36:46 +0000From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.orgTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Just to clear up what LD actually wrote to me regarding Nin, Miller and himself:"We are all such different writers. How to explain our sound solidarity and affection? It was not because of any identity of ideas on style, philosophy, art, etc. etc. I was often irritated by Anais and she by me; also Henry didn't like my 'literary' style. YET DESPITE RESERVATIONS WE WERE QUITE UNSHAKEABLE FRIENDS AND WOULD HAVE GONE THRU FIRE FOR EACH OTHER! We disagreed violently on details but on the grand lines we were quite solidly linked."Letter LD to RP 20 October 1984 (caps in original).RP -----Original Message-----From: ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca]Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:01 PMTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larr! y (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML ! attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who ha! s been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larr! y in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human,! he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds---! ---------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 3Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:51:52 -0800From: James Gifford To: ILDS Listserv Subject: [ilds] Happy BirthdayMessage-ID: <56D1FE58.1080508 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedHello all,It's time for a happy birthday to Old D. Here's a cheeky blog I wrote a few years ago for Oxford Dictionaries to follow on the centenary (they posted it Nov. 7th to commemorate his death): http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/11/a-durrellian-dictionary/I'll raise a glass this evening, but in the meantime, cheers to all of you.All best,James------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15*************************************
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From mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org  Sat Feb 27 14:26:17 2016
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In his "Lawrence Durrell in the OED" (sent as a link below) J Gifford states that "Justine" is "without any meaningful Arab characters". Eh? Sure proof that one can read a very different book to the next guy.
RP 
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Happy Birthday (James Gifford)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:27:26 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: Sumantra Nag Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: [ilds] Nin, Durrell, MillerMessage-ID: <14C19597-F263-4ADB-B3A3-A88506A66C7C at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Interesting exchange between Herron and Pine, which highlights the difference between public and private relationships.I recommend Richard Pine?s previous commentary on the ?three musketeers?: His ?The End of Our Romantic Life: The Psychic Hinterland of Nin, Durrell and Miller? in A Caf? in Space: The Ana?s Nin Literary Journal, 3 (2005), 5-16. Also, the current issue of Caf? in Space is well worth reading.Bruce> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Sky Blue Press  wrote:> > Sure, Anais Nin's popularity has diminished since the height of her fame,> but we overlook one of the biggest reasons: she is no longer around to> inspire in person. It was her persona that drew so many, along with the> work. Now it is up to the rest of us to carry on. I, for one, can only> continue to edit and publish her work and let it into the world where it> will either sink or swim--but it at least has a chance. I do so because I> believe it is valuable and still speaks to the open-minded and open-hearted.> The feedback I get encourages me. I have to add that awareness of and> respect for her work, her insight into her own difficulties and her struggle> to overcome them, a lifelong endeavor, is increasing. There are a lot of new> fans buying her work. An article in The Guardian last year called Nin the> queen of the internet, something she most likely would have loved. A> documentary on her was done in the UK, and there is buzz about a series on> HBO which may use her diaries as a guide for production. So perhaps we are> making a difference in some small way. > > I am used to resistance to her work (or should I say life?) in the ILDS--my> first conference in 1998, whose theme was The Paris of Durrell, Miller and> Nin, found us in empty rooms for the Nin sessions, countering verbal> attacks, especially of the "morality" type, and Carol Peirce bemoaned the> "castigation" of Nin during a plenary session. That said, I feel the> attitudes were changing for the better during subsequent conferences, at> least among a certain number within the organization. I'm not complaining,> it's just the way it is, or was. Regarding the New York Times' history of> bashing of Nin, I would recommend reading Jessica Gilbey's contribution to A> Caf? in Space, vol. 13. She sheds some light on where it comes from. The> article was drawn from her Ph.D. thesis on Nin.> > Paul > > > > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:14:48 +0000> From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca> Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> >> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and> other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that,> although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and> H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in> print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been> bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the> friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that> of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over> SEXUS. > It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in> order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think> (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and> his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and> as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't> think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly> pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of> her writing.> As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant,> scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard> the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the> various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously,> have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A> pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions,> even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography)> which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think> attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence> and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2> husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was> ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to> be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life.> RP-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:36:46 +0000From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.orgTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Just to clear up what LD actually wrote to me regarding Nin, Miller and himself:"We are all such different writers. How to explain our sound solidarity and affection? It was not because of any identity of ideas on style, philosophy, art, etc. etc. I was often irritated by Anais and she by me; also Henry didn't like my 'literary' style. YET DESPITE RESERVATIONS WE WERE QUITE UNSHAKEABLE FRIENDS AND WOULD HAVE GONE THRU FIRE FOR EACH OTHER! We disagreed violently on details but on the grand lines we were quite solidly linked."Letter LD to RP 20 October 1984 (caps in original).RP -----Original Message-----From: ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca]Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:01 PMTo: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12Send ILDS mailing list submissions to	ilds at lists.uvic.caTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ildsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	ilds-request at lists.uvic.caYou can reach the person managing the list at	ilds-owner at lists.uvic.caWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Nin and Durrell (Kennedy Gammage) 2. Re: Nin and Durrell (Bruce Redwine) 3. Re: Nin and Durrell (Denise Tart & David Green)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:07:52 -0800From: Kennedy Gammage To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though inpassing. For more color about Ana?s and Larr! y (she clearly found him awhole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin,the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow andhuman, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows,quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination hehas. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited byrevelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML ! attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who ha! s been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larr! y in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human,! he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!>> >> Best - Ken>> >> _______________________________________________>> ILDS mailing list>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds---! ---------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12*************************************-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 3Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:51:52 -0800From: James Gifford To: ILDS Listserv Subject: [ilds] Happy BirthdayMessage-ID: <56D1FE58.1080508 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedHello all,It's time for a happy birthday to Old D. Here's a cheeky blog I wrote a few years ago for Oxford Dictionaries to follow on the centenary (they posted it Nov. 7th to commemorate his death): http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/11/a-durrellian-dictionary/I'll raise a glass this evening, but in the meantime, cheers to all of you.All best,James------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15*************************************
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I just finished reading that passage in Prospero not 15 minutes ago! But is it not possible that "fent" is merely an archaic spelling of "vent"? 

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> On Feb 27, 2016, at 3:47 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org wrote:
> 
> 2 points: 1) thank you Bruce - I'd forgotten the title of that chapter of mine - "The End of Our Romantic Life" which I think sums up the fact that there WAS a "romantic life" - the interlude in Paris shared by LD, Nin and Miller, and also that, like any beauty or sense of the merveilleux or transcendence, it must come to an end - like a short-lived heraldic universe - brief butterfly.
> 2) as regards OED and LD - my favourite citation of LD in the OED is (and this is no doubt because I am resident here) his description of the narrow lanes of Corfu, which he calls "fents" - which the OED picks as the only use of that word with that meaning
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Happy Birthday (James Gifford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:27:26 -0800 From: Bruce Redwine To: Sumantra Nag Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: [ilds] Nin, Durrell, Miller Message-ID: <14C19597-F263-4ADB-B3A3-A88506A66C7C at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Interesting exchange between Herron and Pine, which highlights the difference between public and private relationships. I recommend Richard Pine?s previous commentary on the ?three musketeers?: His ?The End of Our Romantic Life: The Psychic Hinterland of Nin, Durrell and Miller? in A Caf? in Space: The Ana?s Nin Literary Journal, 3 (2005), 5-16. Also, the current issue of Caf? in Space is well worth reading. Bruce > On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Sky Blue Press wrote: > > Sure, Anais Nin's popularity has diminished since the height of her fame, > but we overlook one of the biggest reasons: she is no longer around to > inspire in person. It was her persona that drew so many, along with the > work. Now it is up to the rest of us to carry on. I, for one, can only > continue to edit and publish her work and let it into the world where it > will either sink or swim--but it at least has a chance. I do so because I > believe it is valuable and still speaks to the open-minded and open-hearted. > The feedback I get encourages me. I have to add that awareness of and > respect for her work, her insight into her own difficulties and her struggle > to overcome them, a lifelong endeavor, is increasing. There are a lot of new > fans buying her work. An article in The Guardian last year called Nin the > queen of the internet, something she most likely would have loved. A > documentary on her was done in the UK, and there is buzz about a series on > HBO which may use her diaries as a guide for production. So perhaps we are > making a difference in some small way. > > I am used to resistance to her work (or should I say life?) in the ILDS--my > first conference in 1998, whose theme was The Paris of Durrell, Miller and > Nin, found us in empty rooms for the Nin sessions, countering verbal > attacks, especially of the "morality" type, and Carol Peirce bemoaned the > "castigation" of Nin during a plenary session. That said, I feel the > attitudes were changing for the better during subsequent conferences, at > least among a certain number within the organization. I'm not complaining, > it's just the way it is, or was. Regarding the New York Times' history of > bashing of Nin, I would recommend reading Jessica Gilbey's contribution to A > Caf? in Space, vol. 13. She sheds some light on where it comes from. The > article was drawn from her Ph.D. thesis on Nin. > > Paul > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:14:48 +0000 > From: mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> From reading the biographies, the various editions of the Nin diaries, and > other correspondence etc, and from personal testimony, I appreciate that, > although there was a shared aesthetic camaraderie between Nin, LDurrell and > H Miller, there were huge personal differences. LD bitchily said (both in > print and to me personally) that he was the only man he knew who hadn't been > bedded by Nin. They had a short war over one of her books, and the > friendship (if it was ever that) was never as intense or meaningful as that > of LD with Miller, with whom also LD fell out - but only briefly, over > SEXUS. > It's been well documented that in Paris LD deliberately discounted Nancy in > order to impress the others, and maybe to ingratiate himself, but I think > (this is my personal view) that however much he vaunted Nin publicly (and > his account of the 3 of them 'on the grandes lignes' as he wrote to me and > as I published it, was genuine) he never liked her as a person and I don't > think his private opinion of her work was as strong as he publicly > pretended. Maybe his personal dislike/distrust of her coloured his view of > her writing. > As to Nin's public reputation, she could certainly appear unpleasant, > scheming, devious and duplicitous. But one cannot (in my opinion) disregard > the imprtance of SOME of her work, especially the early stuff. but the > various editions of the diary, both during her lifetime and posthumously, > have revealed an aspect that would deter many from taking her seriously. A > pity - a fine talent, in emotional terms and in terms of her perceptions, > even her storytelling (as evidenced by her written-to-order pornography) > which was unfortunately coloured by her personal problems which I think > attracted many women to her work at the height of the feminist resurgence > and has since been diminished by, for example, the fact that she kept 2 > husbands on either side of the USA each of whom (we are led to believe) was > ignorant of the other. Maybe a man would applaud another man who managed to > be bigamous in such a way. Such, as Ned Kelly said, is life. > RP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He is a bit amazed. Hewalks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle hasbecome symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does notwant to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the NewYork Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s anembarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!Best - Ken-------------- next part --------------An HTML ! attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:22:08 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <9C9A31FD-64BA-4F23-A676-7013687BCF41 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.Paul Herron, your response?BruceSent from my iPhone> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:> > ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human, he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who ha! s been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?> > I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. They owe her (and we her fans) a huge apology!> > Best - Ken> > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:15 +1100From: Denise Tart & David Green To: ilds at lists.uvic.caSubject: Re: [ilds] Nin and DurrellMessage-ID: <41DD6FCD-AEAD-40B2-BD45-26B73D71C8F2 at bigpond.net.au>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Ken,Nin provides a wonderful and perceptive description of Larr! y in his twenties, the emerging writer, the qualities that made him attractive to many women and an early glimpse of the unease with the world as it is that would later dog him, not to mention the symbolic bottle that later became a hogshead. But it also portrays a masculine visceral creator whose imagination was born of life experience rather that fantasy. Thanks for sharing Ken.Sent from my iPad> On 24 Feb 2016, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:> > Ken is enthusiastic and convincing.> > Paul Herron, your response?> > > Bruce> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:>> >> ILDS member Paul Herron?s Ana?s Nin Literary Journal A CAF? IN SPACE 13 arrived in today?s mail, and Lawrence Durrell is mentioned, though in passing. For more color about Ana?s and Larry (she clearly found him a whole lot more interesting than Nancy!) the Diary of Ana?s Nin Volume Two 1934-1939 is worth re-reading. She says: ?Under the golden tanned skin, the blond hair, the sea-bottom eyes, behind the poetic gestures, mellow and human,! he has found a cataract of words, a universe of nuances, shadows, quarter tones. Not by way of neurosis did he discover the imagination he has. He is like a sailor, a mountaineer who has been visited by revelations. There is a miracle about his creation. He is a bit amazed. He walks the familiar streets with a vague uneasiness. The wine bottle has become symbolical. This expresses all he is fighting against. He does not want to lose the warmth, the flesh, the odor, the reality.?>> >> I guess the main thing that jumped out from Caf? 13 was how vicious the New York Times has been to Nin for 50 years. When you read it, it?s an embarrassment. 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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 27 15:28:34 2016
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 15:28:34 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Fent
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My edition of the OED is the 2nd.  Under fent I don?t see Durrell listed.  Vent is listed as a variant of fent.  The quote from Prospero?s Cell:

It is towards the hour of seven that, mellowed by the excellent wine of ?The Partridge,? we cross the little cobbled square by the Church of the Saint, and seek our way through the alleys and fents of the Venetian town.

I guess it?s possible to see fent (slit) as something metaphorically akin to an alley, but this seems farfetched.  Durrell does this, however, especially when ?mellowed by the excellent wine??  Maybe he?s looking for alliteration between fent and Venetian.

Bruce






> On Feb 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, William Apt <billyapt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I just finished reading that passage in Prospero not 15 minutes ago! But is it not possible that "fent" is merely an archaic spelling of "vent"? 
> 
> WILLIAM APT
> Attorney at Law
> 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401
> Austin TX 78701
> 512/708-8300
> 512/708-8011 FAX
> 
> On Feb 27, 2016, at 3:47 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org <mailto:mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:
> 
>> 2 points: 1) thank you Bruce - I'd forgotten the title of that chapter of mine - "The End of Our Romantic Life" which I think sums up the fact that there WAS a "romantic life" - the interlude in Paris shared by LD, Nin and Miller, and also that, like any beauty or sense of the merveilleux or transcendence, it must come to an end - like a short-lived heraldic universe - brief butterfly.
>> 2) as regards OED and LD - my favourite citation of LD in the OED is (and this is no doubt because I am resident here) his description of the narrow lanes of Corfu, which he calls "fents" - which the OED picks as the only use of that word with that meaning
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From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 17:41:44 -0600
Subject: [ilds] Fent
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Or perhaps openings other than alleyways. 

WILLIAM APT
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Austin TX 78701
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> On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> My edition of the OED is the 2nd.  Under fent I don?t see Durrell listed.  Vent is listed as a variant of fent.  The quote from Prospero?s Cell:
> 
> It is towards the hour of seven that, mellowed by the excellent wine of ?The Partridge,? we cross the little cobbled square by the Church of the Saint, and seek our way through the alleys and fents of the Venetian town.
> 
> I guess it?s possible to see fent (slit) as something metaphorically akin to an alley, but this seems farfetched.  Durrell does this, however, especially when ?mellowed by the excellent wine??  Maybe he?s looking for alliteration between fent and Venetian.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, William Apt <billyapt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just finished reading that passage in Prospero not 15 minutes ago! But is it not possible that "fent" is merely an archaic spelling of "vent"? 
>> 
>> WILLIAM APT
>> Attorney at Law
>> 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401
>> Austin TX 78701
>> 512/708-8300
>> 512/708-8011 FAX
>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 3:47 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org wrote:
>>> 
>>> 2 points: 1) thank you Bruce - I'd forgotten the title of that chapter of mine - "The End of Our Romantic Life" which I think sums up the fact that there WAS a "romantic life" - the interlude in Paris shared by LD, Nin and Miller, and also that, like any beauty or sense of the merveilleux or transcendence, it must come to an end - like a short-lived heraldic universe - brief butterfly.
>>> 2) as regards OED and LD - my favourite citation of LD in the OED is (and this is no doubt because I am resident here) his description of the narrow lanes of Corfu, which he calls "fents" - which the OED picks as the only use of that word with that meaning
>>> RP 
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From bredwine1968 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 15:57:16 2016
From: bredwine1968 at gmail.com (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 15:57:16 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Meaningful Arab Characters
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Another interesting question which raises the question of Postcolonialism, specifically Edward Said?s ?Orientalism.?  Justine is full of interesting Egyptians, namely, the Copts, the Hosnanis.  As we all know, Durrell?s Hosnanis are the ?original Egyptians.?  Although Arabic speaking, they are not Arabs.  In fact, most Egyptians are genetically not Arabs, although they call themselves such, as in Gamal Abdel Nasser?s short-lived ?United Arab Republic.?  The Egyptians lost their language about 300 years after the Arab conquest in 640.  The Copts preserve a descendant of ancient Egyptian in the liturgy of the Coptic Church.  So what does it mean to be a ?meaningful Arab character??  Someone like Memlik Pasha?  And even he is half Nubian, an ethnic group which the Egyptians themselves consider alien to their native ?Arab culture.?  It?s probably more accurate to say there aren?t any ?meaningful Islamic characters? in the Quartet.

Bruce





> On Feb 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org wrote:
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> In his "Lawrence Durrell in the OED" (sent as a link below) J Gifford states that "Justine" is "without any meaningful Arab characters". Eh? Sure proof that one can read a very different book to the next guy.
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 27 15:59:57 2016
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 15:59:57 -0800
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Possibly.


> On Feb 27, 2016, at 3:41 PM, William Apt <billyapt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Or perhaps openings other than alleyways. 
> 
> WILLIAM APT
> Attorney at Law
> 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401
> Austin TX 78701
> 512/708-8300
> 512/708-8011 FAX
> 
> On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net <mailto:bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> 
>> My edition of the OED is the 2nd.  Under fent I don?t see Durrell listed.  Vent is listed as a variant of fent.  The quote from Prospero?s Cell:
>> 
>> It is towards the hour of seven that, mellowed by the excellent wine of ?The Partridge,? we cross the little cobbled square by the Church of the Saint, and seek our way through the alleys and fents of the Venetian town.
>> 
>> I guess it?s possible to see fent (slit) as something metaphorically akin to an alley, but this seems farfetched.  Durrell does this, however, especially when ?mellowed by the excellent wine??  Maybe he?s looking for alliteration between fent and Venetian.
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, William Apt <billyapt at gmail.com <mailto:billyapt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just finished reading that passage in Prospero not 15 minutes ago! But is it not possible that "fent" is merely an archaic spelling of "vent"? 
>>> 
>>> WILLIAM APT
>>> Attorney at Law
>>> 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401
>>> Austin TX 78701
>>> 512/708-8300
>>> 512/708-8011 FAX
>>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 3:47 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org <mailto:mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 2 points: 1) thank you Bruce - I'd forgotten the title of that chapter of mine - "The End of Our Romantic Life" which I think sums up the fact that there WAS a "romantic life" - the interlude in Paris shared by LD, Nin and Miller, and also that, like any beauty or sense of the merveilleux or transcendence, it must come to an end - like a short-lived heraldic universe - brief butterfly.
>>>> 2) as regards OED and LD - my favourite citation of LD in the OED is (and this is no doubt because I am resident here) his description of the narrow lanes of Corfu, which he calls "fents" - which the OED picks as the only use of that word with that meaning
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From giacomoesposito72 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 16:28:08 2016
From: giacomoesposito72 at gmail.com (james Esposito)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 02:28:08 +0200
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I think Mr Pine is correct: OED 5th edn 2002: "Fent: A short slit or
opening in a robe, esp the opening at the throat; a placket...L Durrell:
Rumours had begun to scuttle about the fents and warrens of the old town".
James Esposito

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> My edition of the OED is the 2nd.  Under *fent* I don?t see Durrell
> listed.  *Vent* is listed as a variant of *fent.*  The quote from *Prospero?s
> Cell:*
>
> It is towards the hour of seven that, mellowed by the excellent wine of
> ?The Partridge,? we cross the little cobbled square by the Church of the
> Saint, and seek our way through the alleys and fents of the Venetian town.
>
>
> I guess it?s possible to see *fent* (slit) as something metaphorically
> akin to an alley, but this seems farfetched.  Durrell does this, however,
> especially when ?mellowed by the excellent wine??  Maybe he?s looking for
> alliteration between *fent* and* Venetian.*
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, William Apt <billyapt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just finished reading that passage in Prospero not 15 minutes ago! But
> is it not possible that "fent" is merely an archaic spelling of "vent"?
>
> WILLIAM APT
> Attorney at Law
> 812 San Antonio St, Ste 401
> Austin TX 78701
> 512/708-8300
> 512/708-8011 FAX
>
> On Feb 27, 2016, at 3:47 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org wrote:
>
> 2 points: 1) thank you Bruce - I'd forgotten the title of that chapter of
> mine - "The End of Our Romantic Life" which I think sums up the fact that
> there WAS a "romantic life" - the interlude in Paris shared by LD, Nin and
> Miller, and also that, like any beauty or sense of the merveilleux or
> transcendence, it must come to an end - like a short-lived heraldic
> universe - brief butterfly.
> 2) as regards OED and LD - my favourite citation of LD in the OED is (and
> this is no doubt because I am resident here) his description of the narrow
> lanes of Corfu, which he calls "fents" - which the OED picks as the only
> use of that word with that meaning
> RP
>
>
>
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From timlot at comcast.net  Sat Feb 27 18:42:52 2016
From: timlot at comcast.net (Merrianne Timko)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:42:52 -0600
Subject: [ilds] Meaningful Arab Characters
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Bruce,

 

Some random thoughts ? 

 

640 is a debatable date. 641 is a more commonly accepted date, in view of the founding of Fustat in 641 and its significance for the Arab conquest of Egypt and 'Amr.

Fustat was an incredibly cosmopolitan city, the subject of a major exhibition in 2015 at the University of Chicago. https://oi.uchicago.edu/museum-exhibits/special-exhibits/cosmopolitan-city-old-cairo

 

As for information regarding ?orientalism? on the list serv, I would like to see some interesting current thoughts on the subject. 

 

As for the ?lost? Egyptian language, when I see words like ebony and adobe, ancient Egyptian has morphed into our modern languages.

 

Also, when Durrell returned to Egypt in 1977, he would have seen Nubians, especially men, displaced by the construction of the Aswan Dam. Durrell would no doubt have encountered the Nubians working at the hotels. Richard Fernea of the University of Texas documented this vanishing culture, and Hamza el Din was the musician that captured the Nubian culture?s spirit.

 

I would be very cautious when analyzing Arab, Islamic, Coptic, etc. characters based on today?s perception of race and religion. 

 

Merrianne Timko

 

From: ILDS [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Bruce Redwine
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Subject: [ilds] Meaningful Arab Characters

 

Another interesting question which raises the question of Postcolonialism, specifically Edward Said?s ?Orientalism.?  Justine is full of interesting Egyptians, namely, the Copts, the Hosnanis.  As we all know, Durrell?s Hosnanis are the ?original Egyptians.?  Although Arabic speaking, they are not Arabs.  In fact, most Egyptians are genetically not Arabs, although they call themselves such, as in Gamal Abdel Nasser?s short-lived ?United Arab Republic.?  The Egyptians lost their language about 300 years after the Arab conquest in 640.  The Copts preserve a descendant of ancient Egyptian in the liturgy of the Coptic Church.  So what does it mean to be a ?meaningful Arab character??  Someone like Memlik Pasha?  And even he is half Nubian, an ethnic group which the Egyptians themselves consider alien to their native ?Arab culture.?  It?s probably more accurate to say there aren?t any ?meaningful Islamic characters? in the Quartet.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

On Feb 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org <mailto:mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org>  wrote:

 

In his "Lawrence Durrell in the OED" (sent as a link below) J Gifford states that "Justine" is "without any meaningful Arab characters". Eh? Sure proof that one can read a very different book to the next guy.

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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 20:46:26 2016
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:46:26 -0800
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Hello all,

People might like to know that Princeton UP's Princeton Legacy Library 
reprint series (print on demand) now has Jane Lagoudis Pinchin's 
/Alexandria Still: Forster, Durrell, and Cavafy/ available:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=IZJ9BgAAQBAJ

Cheers,
James

From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Sun Feb 28 07:49:30 2016
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 07:49:30 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Meaningful Arab Characters
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Merrianne,

I stand by my comments about the modern Egyptians and their Islamic heritage.

Yes, 640-41 is the period of the Arab Conquest of Egypt.

As I said, ancient Egyptian is a dead language and ceased to be spoken (not withstanding the Coptic Church) by about 300 years after the Arab conquest.  Egyptian Arabic retains some of the vocabulary of Ancient Egyptian, but this is a veneer, much as English has thousands of French words resulting from the Norman conquest.  English, however, remains a Germanic language.  No one calls English a Romance language.  Egyptians today speak a dialect of Arabic.  Re this topic, a good book is Ahamad Abdel-Hamid Youssef?s From Pharaoh?s Lips:  Ancient Egyptian Language in the Arabic of Today (Cairo, American U in Cairo P, 2003).

How Arabic replaced Egyptian is an interesting topic, which I haven?t yet found adequately explained.  It was a gradual process, but the result was clearly the elimination of a spoken language with over 4000 years of history.

The Nubian people in Egypt are primarily located in Upper Egypt around the Aswan area.  They have their own culture and language.  They also speak Arabic.  They are not, however, descendants of the ancient Egyptians.  The ancient Egyptians distinguished between themselves and the peoples in Nubia (from the First to the Sixth Cataracts) and what is now the Sudan.  That is quite clear from the historical records and the paintings.  Ta-Sety (land off the bowmen) was the First Dynasty term for the land around the First Cataract.

What did Nubian mean to Lawrence Durrell?  How did he think of Memlik Pasha?  As you point out, Durrell would have most probably encountered Nubians working in hotels of Egypt.  In Durrell?s description of Memlik in Mountolive, I see a strong suggestion of ancient Egypt:

Physically too, the long silky head-hair with its suggestion of kink, the nose and mouth carved flatly in dark Nubian sandstone and set in bas-relief upon a completely round Alpine head ? they gave the show away.  (p. 254)

I am arguing in an article that Memlik alludes to a famous dwarf in the Tale of Harkhuf, part of a Sixth Dynasty autobiography.  Too obscure?  Durrell had his contacts among Egyptologists, George Reisner among them.

Edward W. Said seems to think that imperialism in Egypt begins with Napoleon?s invasion in 1798.  I would argue that modern imperialism in Egypt begins in 640-41 with the Arab Conquest, which resulted in the most profound changes in Egypt?s long history.

Bruce




> On Feb 27, 2016, at 6:42 PM, Merrianne Timko <timlot at comcast.net> wrote:
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> Bruce,
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> Some random thoughts ? 
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> 640 is a debatable date. 641 is a more commonly accepted date, in view of the founding of Fustat in 641 and its significance for the Arab conquest of Egypt and 'Amr.
> Fustat was an incredibly cosmopolitan city, the subject of a major exhibition in 2015 at the University of Chicago. https://oi.uchicago.edu/museum-exhibits/special-exhibits/cosmopolitan-city-old-cairo <https://oi.uchicago.edu/museum-exhibits/special-exhibits/cosmopolitan-city-old-cairo>
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> As for information regarding ?orientalism? on the list serv, I would like to see some interesting current thoughts on the subject. 
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> As for the ?lost? Egyptian language, when I see words like ebony and adobe, ancient Egyptian has morphed into our modern languages.
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> Also, when Durrell returned to Egypt in 1977, he would have seen Nubians, especially men, displaced by the construction of the Aswan Dam. Durrell would no doubt have encountered the Nubians working at the hotels. Richard Fernea of the University of Texas documented this vanishing culture, and Hamza el Din was the musician that captured the Nubian culture?s spirit.
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> I would be very cautious when analyzing Arab, Islamic, Coptic, etc. characters based on today?s perception of race and religion. 
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> Merrianne Timko
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> From: ILDS [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Bruce Redwine
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 5:57 PM
> To: Sumantra Nag <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ilds] Meaningful Arab Characters
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> Another interesting question which raises the question of Postcolonialism, specifically Edward Said?s ?Orientalism.?  Justine is full of interesting Egyptians, namely, the Copts, the Hosnanis.  As we all know, Durrell?s Hosnanis are the ?original Egyptians.?  Although Arabic speaking, they are not Arabs.  In fact, most Egyptians are genetically not Arabs, although they call themselves such, as in Gamal Abdel Nasser?s short-lived ?United Arab Republic.?  The Egyptians lost their language about 300 years after the Arab conquest in 640.  The Copts preserve a descendant of ancient Egyptian in the liturgy of the Coptic Church.  So what does it mean to be a ?meaningful Arab character??  Someone like Memlik Pasha?  And even he is half Nubian, an ethnic group which the Egyptians themselves consider alien to their native ?Arab culture.?  It?s probably more accurate to say there aren?t any ?meaningful Islamic characters? in the Quartet.
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> Bruce
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>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org <mailto:mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:
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>> In his "Lawrence Durrell in the OED" (sent as a link below) J Gifford states that "Justine" is "without any meaningful Arab characters". Eh? Sure proof that one can read a very different book to the next guy.
>> RP 
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