[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 104, Issue 22

Sat Jan 2 21:28:18 PST 2016

I see, thank you. it is clear. I too think that the boundary between
fiction and reality is thin, especially regarding events that have taken
place long ago. there are some reality events, though, that can not be
regarded as fiction - death for instance.

*Rony Alfandary*, Ph.D.
*Clinical Social Worker*

Postgraduate Program of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy,  Bar-Ilan University

Head of the Center for Therapeutic Professions, Seminar Hakibbutzim, Tel
Aviv

On 1 January 2016 at 18:57, <mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:

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> *From:* Rony Alfandary [mailto:alfandary at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 05:48 PM
> *To:* 'Durrell List Serve', mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 104, Issue 22
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> Richard, I am curious to read more of what you mean by that last statement
> "here are many questions raised which are not being answered. It's obvious
> why." it is not obvious at all to me.
> Thank you
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> I am asking why some people who are supposed to be serious critics of
> literature seem to be so incapable of realising that there is no
> uncrossable wall between literature and reality. There seem to be people
> who maintain "If it's in a novel, it's fiction; if it's on the
> nine-o-clock-news, it's true", when both of those statements are so wide
> open to contradiction. These questions - and matters of integrity,
> self-interest, prejudice, obfuscation, plagiarism, theft (and many more)
> are not being answered/addressed because, it seems, people in this
> list/group do not want to face the questions with openness, honesty, or
> with their eyes and ears open, attentive and prepared to engage in
> discussion, preferring instead to hide themselves in the mythology of
> academia, criticism, and (god help us all) theory. That's all.
> RP
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> *Rony Alfandary*, Ph.D.
> *Clinical Social Worker*
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> Postgraduate Program of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy,  Bar-Ilan
> University
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> Head of the Center for Therapeutic Professions, Seminar Hakibbutzim, Tel
> Aviv
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> On 31 December 2015 at 23:22, <mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:
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>> There are many questions raised which are not being answered. It's
>> obvious why.
>> RP
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>> Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:59:34 -0800 From: James Gifford To:
>> ILDS Listserv Subject: [ilds] Nessim, Rex Warner, & George de Menasce
>> Message-ID: <56808976.9010003 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hello all, This post from Michael Haag might
>> be of interest!
>> http://michaelhaag.blogspot.ca/2015/12/nessim-hosnani-in-lawrence-durrells.html
>> And just for Bruce, a dastardly bit on Mustapha Marrouchi writing on Edward
>> Said:
>> http://michaelhaag.blogspot.ca/2015/11/beyond-limit-with-mustapha-marrouchi.html
>> The revelations on Marrouchi to which Michael refers are here:
>> http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/education/unlv-fires-professor-accused-serial-plagiarism
>> (as an aside, the article on "Blodgett" in which Marrouchi's plagiarism was
>> detected is Ted Blodgett from my alma mater, the University of Alberta --
>> the journal that published the piece is known for having especially
>> rigorous peer review, so this is a real surprise) Just for the record, I've
>> previously pointed out that Marrouchi's /Edward Said at the Limits/ is
>> missing citations to works from which it quotes... I wrote to him in March
>> 2006 (I didn't attend the DSC seminars he was in), and he told me it was in
>> reference to Said's private papers that he'd read in Said's office, but now
>> I'm wondering if that was just invented. It appears unreliable narrators
>> are ubiquitous these days! All best, James ------------------------------
>> Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:35:33 -0800 From: Bruce Redwine To:
>> James Gifford , James Gifford Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds]
>> Nessim, Rex Warner, & George de Menasce Message-ID: <
>> 03EF33F2-93A3-4D76-8114-A0E67CFCF5EC at earthlink.net> Content-Type:
>> text/plain; charset="utf-8" As to the ?of all people? characterization of
>> Rex Warner on Michael Haag?s blog, I?ll note that Warner was a well-known
>> and highly productive classicist from Oxford. Among his translations of
>> Latin and Greek authors was Thucydides: History of the Peloponnesian War
>> (1954), which became a bestseller for Penguin, over a million copies sold.
>> My first exposure to Thucydides was from Warner?s translation, and I
>> remember it fondly, although the Thomas Hobbes?s translation endures as
>> another classic in 17th-century English. Warner made a most difficult
>> author highly readable in modern English. He may be forgiven for a slight
>> work on English public schools, probably written to pick up a few coins, as
>> writers are sometimes wont to do. As to Mustapha Marrouchi and his
>> problems, the breadth of the charge of ?serial? plagiarism is staggering,
>> but I would like to know what the committee at UNLV meant by finding
>> ?similarities with other works.? I was recently talking to a law professor
>> who specializes in Intellectual Property, and she mentioned (if I heard her
>> right) that under U.S. copyright law a writer?s words are protected but not
>> his/her ideas. I assume the people at UNLV knew what they were doing and
>> nailed Marrouchi for pilfering the actual words of assorted writers without
>> proper accreditation. In this regard, scholars are sometimes held to a
>> higher standard than creative writers. Michael will recall that Lawrence
>> Durrell stole a whole chunk of his words in Caesar?s Vast Ghost without
>> some much as a by-your-leave. For which he could have been taken to court.
>> Durrell made a habit of such ?borrowings.? And no, because Shakespeare did
>> it, doesn?t mean that old LD was allowed to do so. Copyright la! ws didn?t
>> exist in England during Shakespeare?s time. Bruce > On Dec 27, 2015, at
>> 4:59 PM, James Gifford wrote: > > Hello all, > > This post from Michael
>> Haag might be of interest! > >
>> http://michaelhaag.blogspot.ca/2015/12/nessim-hosnani-in-lawrence-durrells.html
>> > > And just for Bruce, a dastardly bit on Mustapha Marrouchi writing on
>> Edward Said: > >
>> http://michaelhaag.blogspot.ca/2015/11/beyond-limit-with-mustapha-marrouchi.html
>> > > The revelations on Marrouchi to which Michael refers are here: > >
>> http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/education/unlv-fires-professor-accused-serial-plagiarism
>> > > (as an aside, the article on "Blodgett" in which Marrouchi's plagiarism
>> was detected is Ted Blodgett from my alma mater, the University of Alberta
>> -- the journal that published the piece is known for having especially
>> rigorous peer review, so this is a real surprise) > > Just for the record,
>> I've previously pointed out that Marrouchi's /Edward Said at the Limits/ is
>> missing citations to works from which it quotes... I wrote to him in March
>> 2006 (I didn't attend the DSC seminars he was in), and he told me it was in
>> reference to Said's private papers that he'd read in Said's office, but now
>> I'm wondering if that was just invented. It appears unreliable narrators
>> are ubiquitous these days! > > All best, > James >
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