[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 104, Issue 22

Fri Jan 1 08:57:55 PST 2016

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From: Rony Alfandary [mailto:alfandary at gmail.com]
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Richard, I am curious to read more of what you mean by that last statement "here are many questions raised which are not being answered. It's obvious why." it is not obvious at all to me.Thank you

I am asking why some people who are supposed to be serious critics of literature seem to be so incapable of realising that there is no uncrossable wall between literature and reality. There seem to be people who maintain "If it's in a novel, it's fiction; if it's on the nine-o-clock-news, it's true", when both of those statements are so wide open to contradiction. These questions - and matters of integrity, self-interest, prejudice, obfuscation, plagiarism, theft (and many more) are not being answered/addressed because, it seems, people in this list/group do not want to face the questions with openness, honesty, or with their eyes and ears open, attentive and prepared to engage in discussion, preferring instead to hide themselves in the mythology of academia, criticism, and (god help us all) theory. That's all.
RP

Rony Alfandary,Ph.D.Clinical Social Worker
Postgraduate Program of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy, Bar-Ilan University 
Head of the Center for Therapeutic Professions, Seminar Hakibbutzim, Tel Aviv 

On 31 December 2015 at 23:22, <mail at durrelllibrarycorfu.org> wrote:
There are many questions raised which are not being answered. It's obvious why.
RP 
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Re: Nessim, Rex Warner, & George de Menasce (Bruce Redwine)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:59:34 -0800From: James Gifford To: ILDS Listserv Subject: [ilds] Nessim, Rex Warner, & George de MenasceMessage-ID: <56808976.9010003 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedHello all,This post from Michael Haag might be of interest!http://michaelhaag.blogspot.ca/2015/12/nessim-hosnani-in-lawrence-durrells.htmlAnd just for Bruce, a dastardly bit on Mustapha Marrouchi writing on Edward Said:http://michaelhaag.blogspot.ca/2015/11/beyond-limit-with-mustapha-marrouchi.htmlThe revelations on Marrouchi to which Michael refers are here:http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/education/unlv-fires-professor-accused-serial-plagiarism(as an aside, the article on "Blodgett" in which Marrouchi's plagiarism was detected is Ted Blodgett from my alma mater, the University of Alberta -- the journal that published the piece is known for having especially rigorous peer review, so this is a real surprise)Just for the record, I've previously pointed out that Marrouchi's /Edward Said at the Limits/ is missing citations to works from which it quotes... I wrote to him in March 2006 (I didn't attend the DSC seminars he was in), and he told me it was in reference to Said's private papers that he'd read in Said's office, but now I'm wondering if that was just invented. It appears unreliable narrators are ubiquitous these days!All best,James------------------------------Message: 2Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:35:33 -0800From: Bruce Redwine To: James Gifford ,	James Gifford	Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds] Nessim, Rex Warner, & George de MenasceMessage-ID: <03EF33F2-93A3-4D76-8114-A0E67CFCF5EC at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"As to the ?of all people? characterization of Rex Warner on Michael Haag?s blog, I?ll note that Warner was a well-known and highly productive classicist from Oxford. Among his translations of Latin and Greek authors was Thucydides: History of the Peloponnesian War (1954), which became a bestseller for Penguin, over a million copies sold. My first exposure to Thucydides was from Warner?s translation, and I remember it fondly, although the Thomas Hobbes?s translation endures as another classic in 17th-century English. Warner made a most difficult author highly readable in modern English. He may be forgiven for a slight work on English public schools, probably written to pick up a few coins, as writers are sometimes wont to do.As to Mustapha Marrouchi and his problems, the breadth of the charge of ?serial? plagiarism is staggering, but I would like to know what the committee at UNLV meant by finding ?similarities with other works.? I was recently talking to a law professor who specializes in Intellectual Property, and she mentioned (if I heard her right) that under U.S. copyright law a writer?s words are protected but not his/her ideas. I assume the people at UNLV knew what they were doing and nailed Marrouchi for pilfering the actual words of assorted writers without proper accreditation. In this regard, scholars are sometimes held to a higher standard than creative writers. Michael will recall that Lawrence Durrell stole a whole chunk of his words in Caesar?s Vast Ghost without some much as a by-your-leave. For which he could have been taken to court. Durrell made a habit of such ?borrowings.? And no, because Shakespeare did it, doesn?t mean that old LD was allowed to do so. Copyright la! ws didn?t exist in England during Shakespeare?s time.Bruce> On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:59 PM, James Gifford  wrote:> > Hello all,> > This post from Michael Haag might be of interest!> > http://michaelhaag.blogspot.ca/2015/12/nessim-hosnani-in-lawrence-durrells.html> > And just for Bruce, a dastardly bit on Mustapha Marrouchi writing on Edward Said:> > http://michaelhaag.blogspot.ca/2015/11/beyond-limit-with-mustapha-marrouchi.html> > The revelations on Marrouchi to which Michael refers are here:> > http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/education/unlv-fires-professor-accused-serial-plagiarism> > (as an aside, the article on "Blodgett" in which Marrouchi's plagiarism was detected is Ted Blodgett from my alma mater, the University of Alberta -- the journal that published the piece is known for having especially rigorous peer review, so this is a real surprise)> > Just for the record, I've previously pointed out that Marrouchi's /Edward Said at the Limits/ is missing citations to works from which it quotes... I wrote to him in March 2006 (I didn't attend the DSC seminars he was in), and he told me it was in reference to Said's private papers that he'd read in Said's office, but now I'm wondering if that was just invented. It appears unreliable narrators are ubiquitous these days!> > All best,> James> _______________________________________________-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________ILDS mailing listILDS at lists.uvic.cahttps://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds------------------------------End of ILDS Digest, Vol 104, Issue 22*************************************
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