From marc at marcpiel.fr Tue Oct 14 06:36:42 2014 From: marc at marcpiel.fr (Marc Piel) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:36:42 +0200 Subject: [ilds] Judith is available in Google-books on-line... Message-ID: <543D26EA.9080909@marcpiel.fr> https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=OUJF3u7njtsC&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=fr&pg=GBS.PT3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfandary at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:11:43 2014 From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:11:43 +0300 Subject: [ilds] The screening of Judith at the 30th International Haifa Film Festival (a bit long) Message-ID: Hello all, Here are my general and personal impressions of the film and its screening. 1. The formal occasion for the screening was the 50th anniversary of its production date. it was Judith's producer's son, Kurt Unger, who brought the date to the attention of the festival organizers. he was present at the screening and carried a moving speech before the show. He was 16 years old at the time of the filming and worked as a teaboy. incidentally, Kurt Unger also produced a film version of Pope Joan in 1972. there were about 60 people present at the screening and a small reception was held afterwards. 2. Lawrence Durrell was not the main protagonist of the evening and in fact most people I spoke to at the reception made the familiar error of thinking him to be his brother Gerald. The main "protagonist" of the evening was the fact that it was the first international film produced by a Hollywood studios, Paramount, in the young State of Israel. the budget at the time was , and perhaps still is relatively, huge - 5 million $. I did mention to several people, including Unger, that the novel form of Judith was published recently by ILDS . so maybe an interest in that has been kindled... 3. Much was spoken about Sophia Loren's presence and personality in the film and location. apparently, her presence in Israel in those days caused quite a stir and many israeli ministers and army generals visited the film location looking for her... nobody mentioned that Durrell himself was around too. 4. the film itself . I don't know how many of you actually saw the film. i was quite fascinated by it. once you withhold your judgment and suspend all, or most, of your critical faculties, it is quite an enjoyable film. it is filmed well and the story is quite gripping eventhough its adherence to credible historical fact is very shaky and naive at best. it portrays the days leading to Israel's declaration of independence and the beginning of the 1948 war in very stark and heroic colours, as perhaps was done in war films of that time anyhow.many of the actors in the cast are israeli actors who since became quite well known. overall, the acting is convincing with the exception of lovely Loren. I will write about her depiction of Judith in a bit. the film is set in Kibbutz Shamir in the North and also in Haifa and it is very illuminating to see those locations as shot in 1964. 5. The main thing that got my attention was Judith's character as portrayed by Loren. Clearly, she was the wrong actress, wonderful as she is, to portray the character of a Holocaust survivor who survived the camps. she is just too full of life....still, it was curious to notice again that her character was portrayed as a woman who has lost a son, apparently, and who is tormented by that (though towards the end of the film there is hope that her son is alive after all). this immediately made me think of Justine and her preoccupation with her missing son. clearly this was something that preoccupied Durrell enough to keep cropping up in his work. in my Ph.D. theses, I made a claim, unproven as yet, that this preoccupation related to Durrell's sense of being lost himself as a son to his mother when he was made to leave india and go to a boarding school in England. 6. I was also left with thinking about Durrell's preoccupation with israel and the fate of the Jewish people, which has been discussed here and may well be firmly related, as Haag claimed, with his relationship with Eve. 7. Overall, a very moving experience. I thought about the members of ILDS and wished you were there with me. Rony *Rony Alfandary*, Ph.D. *Clinical Social Worker* Postgraduate Program of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy School of Social Work Bar-Ilan University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 14:27:59 2014 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:27:59 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: publication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <543EE6DF.6010202@gmail.com> Dear all, I'd like to draw your attention to Rony Alfandary's fine work in MAARG (attached). Also, many thanks to Rony for his thoughtful commentary on viewing Judith. One quick clarification. The DSC published a print-only edition of /Judith/ (Durrell's work) in 2012, followed by Open Road's digital and print. I've not ordered the print copy from Open Road -- has anyone seen it? All best, James -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: publication Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:31:07 +0300 From: Rony Alfandary To: James Gifford Hi James, I am not sure I have sent you the English abstract of my Durrell publication in Israel. Here it is, and if i have already, sorry.. the file contains abstracts of all essays in that volume. all the best, Rony *Rony Alfandary*,Ph.D. /Clinical Social Worker/ Postgraduate Program____ of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy____ School of Social Work____ Bar-Ilan University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MAARG_16_ENG-i-xxxix.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 456814 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 17:22:17 2014 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:22:17 -0700 Subject: [ilds] publication In-Reply-To: <543EE6DF.6010202@gmail.com> References: <543EE6DF.6010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <37111703-97A3-4EDC-AA4F-7D2E6C34C52D@earthlink.net> James, The Durrell School ed. of Judith has a better printing job. The Open Road ed. has the same text, but it also includes photos of Durrell at the back, along with a very nice photo of the front cover to his ?quarry?notebook of Justine. The photos I?d seen but not the notebook cover. Bruce On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:27 PM, James Gifford wrote: > Dear all, > > I'd like to draw your attention to Rony Alfandary's fine work in MAARG (attached). Also, many thanks to Rony for his thoughtful commentary on viewing Judith. > > One quick clarification. The DSC published a print-only edition of /Judith/ (Durrell's work) in 2012, followed by Open Road's digital and print. I've not ordered the print copy from Open Road -- has anyone seen it? > > All best, > James > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: publication > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:31:07 +0300 > From: Rony Alfandary > To: James Gifford > > > > Hi James, I am not sure I have sent you the English abstract of my > Durrell publication in Israel. Here it is, and if i have already, > sorry.. the file contains abstracts of all essays in that volume. > all the best, > Rony > > > > > *Rony Alfandary*,Ph.D. > /Clinical Social Worker/ > > Postgraduate Program____ > > of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy____ > > School of Social Work____ > > Bar-Ilan University > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at marcpiel.fr Thu Oct 16 03:13:21 2014 From: marc at marcpiel.fr (Marc Piel) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:13:21 +0200 Subject: [ilds] The screening of Judith at the 30th International Haifa Film Festival (a bit long) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B71BECF-8ADF-4262-81C8-93F0F4A18EFD@marcpiel.fr> Were you not struck by the caricatures of the british? Envoy? de mon iPad > Le 15 oct. 2014 ? 22:11, Rony Alfandary a ?crit : > > > Hello all, > Here are my general and personal impressions of the film and its screening. > 1. The formal occasion for the screening was the 50th anniversary of its production date. it was Judith's producer's son, Kurt Unger, who brought the date to the attention of the festival organizers. he was present at the screening and carried a moving speech before the show. He was 16 years old at the time of the filming and worked as a teaboy. incidentally, Kurt Unger also produced a film version of Pope Joan in 1972. there were about 60 people present at the screening and a small reception was held afterwards. > 2. Lawrence Durrell was not the main protagonist of the evening and in fact most people I spoke to at the reception made the familiar error of thinking him to be his brother Gerald. The main "protagonist" of the evening was the fact that it was the first international film produced by a Hollywood studios, Paramount, in the young State of Israel. the budget at the time was , and perhaps still is relatively, huge - 5 million $. I did mention to several people, including Unger, that the novel form of Judith was published recently by ILDS . so maybe an interest in that has been kindled... > 3. Much was spoken about Sophia Loren's presence and personality in the film and location. apparently, her presence in Israel in those days caused quite a stir and many israeli ministers and army generals visited the film location looking for her... nobody mentioned that Durrell himself was around too. > 4. the film itself . I don't know how many of you actually saw the film. i was quite fascinated by it. once you withhold your judgment and suspend all, or most, of your critical faculties, it is quite an enjoyable film. it is filmed well and the story is quite gripping eventhough its adherence to credible historical fact is very shaky and naive at best. it portrays the days leading to Israel's declaration of independence and the beginning of the 1948 war in very stark and heroic colours, as perhaps was done in war films of that time anyhow.many of the actors in the cast are israeli actors who since became quite well known. overall, the acting is convincing with the exception of lovely Loren. I will write about her depiction of Judith in a bit. the film is set in Kibbutz Shamir in the North and also in Haifa and it is very illuminating to see those locations as shot in 1964. > 5. The main thing that got my attention was Judith's character as portrayed by Loren. Clearly, she was the wrong actress, wonderful as she is, to portray the character of a Holocaust survivor who survived the camps. she is just too full of life....still, it was curious to notice again that her character was portrayed as a woman who has lost a son, apparently, and who is tormented by that (though towards the end of the film there is hope that her son is alive after all). this immediately made me think of Justine and her preoccupation with her missing son. clearly this was something that preoccupied Durrell enough to keep cropping up in his work. in my Ph.D. theses, I made a claim, unproven as yet, that this preoccupation related to Durrell's sense of being lost himself as a son to his mother when he was made to leave india and go to a boarding school in England. > 6. I was also left with thinking about Durrell's preoccupation with israel and the fate of the Jewish people, which has been discussed here and may well be firmly related, as Haag claimed, with his relationship with Eve. > 7. Overall, a very moving experience. I thought about the members of ILDS and wished you were there with me. > Rony > > > > > Rony Alfandary, Ph.D. > Clinical Social Worker > Postgraduate Program > of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy > School of Social Work > Bar-Ilan University > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfandary at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 03:50:39 2014 From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:50:39 +0300 Subject: [ilds] two more anecdotes and a thought concerning "Judith" Message-ID: 1. Initially the producer asked Carol Reed to direct the film and this was not carried out only because Sophia Loren got pregnant that year (abortively, sadly) and when she was again available, Reed was already engaged in the initial stages of the filming of Oliver. 2. the director of the second film unit on location was Nicolas Roeg 3. interesting that the female protagonist is portrayed as a complex, conflicted and tormented woman (Being a Holocaust survivor who survived through her partial collaboration with the Nazis) while all the male characters are very straight forward and plain... Rony *Rony Alfandary*, Ph.D. *Clinical Social Worker* Postgraduate Program of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy School of Social Work Bar-Ilan University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 09:14:14 2014 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:14:14 -0700 Subject: [ilds] two more anecdotes and a thought concerning "Judith" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68E6FEFB-28C5-41C5-B10E-390B9F997098@earthlink.net> Thanks, Rony. I would say, generally speaking, that your third point is typical of Durrell?s characterizations, particularly in the works after The Dark Labyrinth. He does better with women, and I find them more interesting, because of his feminine side? Bruce On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:50 AM, Rony Alfandary wrote: > > 1. Initially the producer asked Carol Reed to direct the film and this was not carried out only because Sophia Loren got pregnant that year (abortively, sadly) and when she was again available, Reed was already engaged in the initial stages of the filming of Oliver. > 2. the director of the second film unit on location was Nicolas Roeg > 3. interesting that the female protagonist is portrayed as a complex, conflicted and tormented woman (Being a Holocaust survivor who survived through her partial collaboration with the Nazis) while all the male characters are very straight forward and plain... > Rony > > > > > Rony Alfandary, Ph.D. > Clinical Social Worker > Postgraduate Program > of Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy > School of Social Work > Bar-Ilan University > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sumantranag at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 21:57:21 2014 From: sumantranag at gmail.com (Sumantra Nag) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:27:21 +0530 Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 90, Issue 12_Judith Message-ID: Interesting review of the film. Thanks Rony. I have bought the digital version of Durrell's novel Judith on my Kindle and have started reading it. Hope to see the film too, some time. Sumantra Sent from my Samsung Tablet On 16 Oct 2014 02:59, wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. The screening of Judith at the 30th International Haifa Film > Festival (a bit long) (Rony Alfandary) > 2. Fwd: publication (James Gifford) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:11:43 +0300 > From: Rony Alfandary > To: Durrell List Serve > Subject: [ilds] The screening of Judith at the 30th International > Haifa Film Festival (a bit long) > Message-ID: > < CAD9SkgsykwbSvJFL4iX7VnLauYkSECO_bk+i7Vvh+DscWYASmA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello all, > Here are my general and personal impressions of the film and its screening. > 1. The formal occasion for the screening was the 50th anniversary of its > production date. it was Judith's producer's son, Kurt Unger, who brought > the date to the attention of the festival organizers. he was present at the > screening and carried a moving speech before the show. He was 16 years old > at the time of the filming and worked as a teaboy. incidentally, Kurt Unger > also produced a film version of Pope Joan in 1972. there were about 60 > people present at the screening and a small reception was held afterwards. > 2. Lawrence Durrell was not the main protagonist of the evening and in fact > most people I spoke to at the reception made the familiar error of thinking > him to be his brother Gerald. The main "protagonist" of the evening was the > fact that it was the first international film produced by a Hollywood > studios, Paramount, in the young State of Israel. the budget at the time > was , and perhaps still is relatively, huge - 5 million $. I did mention to > several people, including Unger, that the novel form of Judith was > published recently by ILDS . so maybe an interest in that has been > kindled... > 3. Much was spoken about Sophia Loren's presence and personality in the > film and location. apparently, her presence in Israel in those days caused > quite a stir and many israeli ministers and army generals visited the film > location looking for her... nobody mentioned that Durrell himself was > around too. > 4. the film itself . I don't know how many of you actually saw the film. i > was quite fascinated by it. once you withhold your judgment and suspend > all, or most, of your critical faculties, it is quite an enjoyable film. it > is filmed well and the story is quite gripping eventhough its adherence to > credible historical fact is very shaky and naive at best. it portrays the > days leading to Israel's declaration of independence and the beginning of > the 1948 war in very stark and heroic colours, as perhaps was done in war > films of that time anyhow.many of the actors in the cast are israeli actors > who since became quite well known. overall, the acting is convincing with > the exception of lovely Loren. I will write about her depiction of Judith > in a bit. the film is set in Kibbutz Shamir in the North and also in Haifa > and it is very illuminating to see those locations as shot in 1964. > 5. The main thing that got my attention was Judith's character as portrayed > by Loren. Clearly, she was the wrong actress, wonderful as she is, to > portray the character of a Holocaust survivor who survived the camps. she > is just too full of life....still, it was curious to notice again that her > character was portrayed as a woman who has lost a son, apparently, and who > is tormented by that (though towards the end of the film there is hope that > her son is alive after all). this immediately made me think of Justine and > her preoccupation with her missing son. clearly this was something that > preoccupied Durrell enough to keep cropping up in his work. in my Ph.D. > theses, I made a claim, unproven as yet, that this preoccupation related to > Durrell's sense of being lost himself as a son to his mother when he was > made to leave india and go to a boarding school in England. > 6. I was also left with thinking about Durrell's preoccupation with israel > and the fate of the Jewish people, which has been discussed here and may > well be firmly related, as Haag claimed, with his relationship with Eve. > 7. Overall, a very moving experience. I thought about the members of ILDS > and wished you were there with me. > Rony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: