[ilds] new Board
Rashidi, Linda
lrashidi at mansfield.edu
Sat May 31 15:46:04 PDT 2014
I want to thank the membership for your vote of confidence in electing the new Board. I feel honored to take on the Presidency, and have a great board to work with for the next two years. Of course, Jamie has paved the way. A huge thanks to him for his excellent service as president for not one, but two, terms of office--and for keeping the listserve going. I am, at present, feeling my way, so bear with me in these early weeks. One of goals of the Board is to communicate with the membership in as many ways as possible. I do not Twitter or do Facebook, but am open to all and any suggestions. I hope to soon send out a 'welcome' message introducing the new Board. Keep the great discussions going.
Salam, Linda
Dr. Linda Rashidi
Professor of Linguistics
Department of English and Modern Languages
Mansfield University
email: lrashidi at mansfield.edu
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2. Re: Query re 'Tunc' (James Gifford)
3. Re: Query re 'Tunc' (Bruce Redwine)
4. Re: OMG XVIII (James Gifford)
5. Re: Query re 'Tunc' (James Gifford)
6. Mention of the Alexandria Quartet in an Interesting and
Controversial New Book (Merrianne)
7. Re: Mention of the Alexandria Quartet in an Interesting and
Controversial New Book (Bruce Redwine)
8. Re: Mention of the Alexandria Quartet in an Interesting and
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 12:16:03 -0700
From: Kennedy Gammage <gammage.kennedy at gmail.com>
To: odos.fanourios at gmail.com, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
Subject: Re: [ilds] Query re 'Tunc'
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Bravo James ? that?s why the listserv is so vital to our ongoing
discussions! What would be the Twitter equivalent of your post?
?St. Paul?s = Paddington. ? = jizm. #Hippo!?
Cheers - Ken
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:57 AM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
wrote:
> /Naos/ is very interesting. It is a technical term used
>>
>> frequently in archaeology, particularly Egyptology and Mediterranean
>> archaeology, and has a specific referent. It refers to the innermost
>> part of a temple, the /sanctum sanctorum,/ the holy of holies.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>
> Which is, of course, where that book series peaks in London... St.
> Paul's, with a "magic circle" and Fall (LD's capitalization). /Nunquam/ is
> replete with references to corporatism and faith, with the distinction
> between the two frequently elided. Even before the closing scene in St.
> Paul's, Durrell hints at the magic circle element and money:
>
> "It [St. Paul's] was built by a great artificer in conscious pursuit of
> mathematical principles; it was not a dream of godhead full of poetry or
> frozen music or what not. No, it belonged to its age; it was a fitting
> symbol for a mercantile country in an age dedicated to reason, hovering on
> the edge of the Encyclopaedia and the Industrial Revolution. It is no
> accident that the business part of the city, the moneyed part, grouped
> itself round this great symbol of the stock and share. Nor is it an
> accident that it should in some ways feel strongly reminiscent of a railway
> station?say Euston or Waterloo. It stands as a symbol for the succeeding
> ages which produced both." (Nunquam 214)
>
> Faith and funds are manifestations of the same impulse, in effect, and it
> circles around Durrell's preoccupation with urbanization and the conditions
> of modernity, I would think. The faith-funds link comes up again and again
> across /Nunquam/:
>
> "My dear chap, in this, our new Middle Ages, investment has become the
> motor response of all religion; not in God as he was known (he hasn?t
> changed), not in the psychic Fund of Funds which pretends to chime with the
> ways of universal nature. (That too is balls by the way.) No, for us money
> is sperm, and the investment of it the ritual of propitiation." (Nunquam 94)
>
> To this Durrell adds the chain's link:
>
> ?The pattern is only repeating itself; we have placed an unobtrusive hand
> on much more than the Stock Exchange. Most of the Indian holy places like
> the Taj and Buddha?s tree and so on are in our hands; the Holy Sepulchre in
> Jerusalem, Herculaneum, Pompeii, Grant?s Tomb." (Nunquam 94)
>
> The last item is striking, taking in as it does the nation as a
> continuation of the religious impulse. The same idea repeats several times
> across Nunquam in particular.
>
> Cheers,
> James
>
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 12:33:59 -0700
From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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On 2014-05-30, 12:16 PM, Kennedy Gammage wrote:
> What would be the Twitter equivalent of your post?
>
> ?St. Paul?s = Paddington. ? = jizm. #Hippo!?
Just about perfect there, Ken... @DurrellSociety
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 14:00:55 -0700
From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [ilds] Query re 'Tunc'
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James and Richard,
All very interesting. Thanks. I'll have to put Revolt of Aphrodite on my reading list. One more thing about naos in the context of Aphrodite, goddess of love. Naos, particularly when talking about the architecture of ancient Egyptian temples, has a strong sexual component. Egyptologist tend to look at the typical temple as a long progression from light to darkness, as the passage narrows and becomes smaller. The innermost part is the holy of holies, where the god resides in near darkness. The vision is vaginal. Hence the term penetralium (< penetralis, penetrating) for the holy of holies. This isn't interpreted as the Egyptians having "dirty minds," rather the sexual trope is seen as a from of regeneration and resurrection. The ancient Egyptians were obsessed with the afterlife and getting there. So, the sexual metaphor is a way to view rebirth. Dunno how this applies to Revolt and dunno to what extent Durrell was aware of all this.
Bruce
On May 30, 2014, at 11:57 AM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com> wrote:
>> /Naos/ is very interesting. It is a technical term used
>> frequently in archaeology, particularly Egyptology and Mediterranean
>> archaeology, and has a specific referent. It refers to the innermost
>> part of a temple, the /sanctum sanctorum,/ the holy of holies.
>>
>> Bruce
>
> Which is, of course, where that book series peaks in London... St. Paul's, with a "magic circle" and Fall (LD's capitalization). /Nunquam/ is replete with references to corporatism and faith, with the distinction between the two frequently elided. Even before the closing scene in St. Paul's, Durrell hints at the magic circle element and money:
>
> "It [St. Paul's] was built by a great artificer in conscious pursuit of mathematical principles; it was not a dream of godhead full of poetry or frozen music or what not. No, it belonged to its age; it was a fitting symbol for a mercantile country in an age dedicated to reason, hovering on the edge of the Encyclopaedia and the Industrial Revolution. It is no accident that the business part of the city, the moneyed part, grouped itself round this great symbol of the stock and share. Nor is it an accident that it should in some ways feel strongly reminiscent of a railway station?say Euston or Waterloo. It stands as a symbol for the succeeding ages which produced both." (Nunquam 214)
>
> Faith and funds are manifestations of the same impulse, in effect, and it circles around Durrell's preoccupation with urbanization and the conditions of modernity, I would think. The faith-funds link comes up again and again across /Nunquam/:
>
> "My dear chap, in this, our new Middle Ages, investment has become the motor response of all religion; not in God as he was known (he hasn?t changed), not in the psychic Fund of Funds which pretends to chime with the ways of universal nature. (That too is balls by the way.) No, for us money is sperm, and the investment of it the ritual of propitiation." (Nunquam 94)
>
> To this Durrell adds the chain's link:
>
> ?The pattern is only repeating itself; we have placed an unobtrusive hand on much more than the Stock Exchange. Most of the Indian holy places like the Taj and Buddha?s tree and so on are in our hands; the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, Herculaneum, Pompeii, Grant?s Tomb." (Nunquam 94)
>
> The last item is striking, taking in as it does the nation as a continuation of the religious impulse. The same idea repeats several times across Nunquam in particular.
>
> Cheers,
> James
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 21:12:04 -0700
From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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Hello all,
On 2014-05-27, 8:26 AM, Sumantra Nag wrote:
> I don't think the ILDS can ever regain its rich, often focussed
> exchanges any more if it it uses Facebook or Twitter. I use both but
> don't regard them as vehicles for the kind of discursive discussions we
> had - but have no longer had for a long time - on the ILDS Discussion
> Forum.
Well, let's see what we can do. The membership expressed its desire to
renew the online activity during the Business Meeting in Vancouver, and
we'll follow the membership's wishes!
A reality has been that Charles & I have moderated things and prompted a
good deal of discussion, but we're also both in the "age & stage" with
children, the uphill career path, and such... Charles manages the
Twitter account daily for short materials, and the lengthier (and
fuller) discussions of the listserv seem to have stilled since London --
that is, of course, open to change.
All best,
James
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 21:14:52 -0700
From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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Bruce, I think this is very close to what Durrell was after. He, of
course, indulges the "dirty mind" element as well, but it's never
terribly far from the sacred and corporate worlds of the book. Rebirth
is an explicit part of it as well.
I've enjoyed the Revolt books very much, despite their lesser status for
many readers. You just can't expect them to be look like the Quartet or
travel books.
Best,
James
On 2014-05-30, 2:00 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> James and Richard,
>
> All very interesting. Thanks. I'll have to put /Revolt of Aphrodite/
> on my reading list. One more thing about /naos/ in the context of
> Aphrodite, goddess of love. /Naos, /particularly when talking about the
> architecture of ancient Egyptian temples, has a strong sexual component.
> Egyptologist tend to look at the typical temple as a long progression
> from light to darkness, as the passage narrows and becomes smaller. The
> innermost part is the holy of holies, where the god resides in near
> darkness. The vision is vaginal. Hence the term penetralium (<
> /penetralis,/ penetrating) for the holy of holies. This isn't
> interpreted as the Egyptians having "dirty minds," rather the sexual
> trope is seen as a from of regeneration and resurrection. The ancient
> Egyptians were obsessed with the afterlife and getting there. So, the
> sexual metaphor is a way to view rebirth. Dunno how this applies to
> /Revolt/ and dunno to what extent Durrell was aware of all this.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2014, at 11:57 AM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com
> <mailto:james.d.gifford at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>> /Naos/ is very interesting. It is a technical term used
>>> frequently in archaeology, particularly Egyptology and Mediterranean
>>> archaeology, and has a specific referent. It refers to the innermost
>>> part of a temple, the /sanctum sanctorum,/ the holy of holies.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>
>> Which is, of course, where that book series peaks in London... St.
>> Paul's, with a "magic circle" and Fall (LD's capitalization).
>> /Nunquam/ is replete with references to corporatism and faith, with
>> the distinction between the two frequently elided. Even before the
>> closing scene in St. Paul's, Durrell hints at the magic circle element
>> and money:
>>
>> "It [St. Paul's] was built by a great artificer in conscious pursuit
>> of mathematical principles; it was not a dream of godhead full of
>> poetry or frozen music or what not. No, it belonged to its age; it was
>> a fitting symbol for a mercantile country in an age dedicated to
>> reason, hovering on the edge of the Encyclopaedia and the Industrial
>> Revolution. It is no accident that the business part of the city, the
>> moneyed part, grouped itself round this great symbol of the stock and
>> share. Nor is it an accident that it should in some ways feel strongly
>> reminiscent of a railway station?say Euston or Waterloo. It stands as
>> a symbol for the succeeding ages which produced both." (Nunquam 214)
>>
>> Faith and funds are manifestations of the same impulse, in effect, and
>> it circles around Durrell's preoccupation with urbanization and the
>> conditions of modernity, I would think. The faith-funds link comes up
>> again and again across /Nunquam/:
>>
>> "My dear chap, in this, our new Middle Ages, investment has become the
>> motor response of all religion; not in God as he was known (he hasn?t
>> changed), not in the psychic Fund of Funds which pretends to chime
>> with the ways of universal nature. (That too is balls by the way.) No,
>> for us money is sperm, and the investment of it the ritual of
>> propitiation." (Nunquam 94)
>>
>> To this Durrell adds the chain's link:
>>
>> ?The pattern is only repeating itself; we have placed an unobtrusive
>> hand on much more than the Stock Exchange. Most of the Indian holy
>> places like the Taj and Buddha?s tree and so on are in our hands; the
>> Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, Herculaneum, Pompeii, Grant?s Tomb."
>> (Nunquam 94)
>>
>> The last item is striking, taking in as it does the nation as a
>> continuation of the religious impulse. The same idea repeats several
>> times across Nunquam in particular.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> James
>> _______________________________________________
>> ILDS mailing list
>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>
>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 08:31:12 -0500
From: "Merrianne" <timlot at comcast.net>
To: <ILDS at lists.uvic.ca>
Subject: [ilds] Mention of the Alexandria Quartet in an Interesting
and Controversial New Book
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Before attending the OMG conference in Vancouver, I purchased a recently
published book - The Homoerotics of Orientalism by Joseph Allen Boone,
published by Columbia University Press. The book is generating some
controversy. Having spent many years researching 19th century orientalist
art, I am finding this book very interesting, but not your usual summer
read. It weaves together many diverse threads - art, literature, gender,
sexuality, colonialism, mass marketing, etc., and introduces some unique
analysis. Illustrations range from traditional Ingres nudes to Norman Mailer
as a pharaoh on the cover of New York magazine.
Included in the chapter "Epic Ambitions and Epicurean Appetites" is a
subchapter titled "The Return of the Repressed in Durrell's Alexandria
Quartet" that focuses on the depiction of Darley. Footnote 70 for this
chapter cites James Gifford's "The Frontiers of Love: Sexual and Territorial
Ambiguity in Lawrence Durrell's Monsieur."
Bottom line - this is a book that some of you might want to peruse. For me,
it provides new insight into the many "textbook" images of orientalism I
have enjoyed over the years, and introduces me to many "new" contemporary
photographs, paintings, and ideas.
Best,
Merrianne Timko
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From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
To: "ilds at lists.uvic.ca" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Subject: Re: [ilds] Mention of the Alexandria Quartet in an
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Merrianne,
Thanks. Some years ago Boone wrote a provocative article on homosexuality in the Quartet. It begins by discussing Durrell's reference to Tropic of Cancer as a "man-size piece of work" in his famous introductory letter to Miller. Boone took this as an example of Durrell's repressed homosexuality, if I recall correctly. That is roughly equivalent to "you've shown me yours, now I'll show you mine." Years ago I pursued this line of argument on the ILDS List and was roundly scoffed at. "Durrell is gay! Nonsense!" Personally I think he was a repressed homosexual, which might account for some of his strange and violent behavior. The guy was pretty screwed up. Perhaps we can resume this discussion.
Bruce
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 31, 2014, at 6:31 AM, "Merrianne" <timlot at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Before attending the OMG conference in Vancouver, I purchased a recently published book ? The Homoerotics of Orientalism by Joseph Allen Boone, published by Columbia University Press. The book is generating some controversy. Having spent many years researching 19th century orientalist art, I am finding this book very interesting, but not your usual summer read. It weaves together many diverse threads ? art, literature, gender, sexuality, colonialism, mass marketing, etc., and introduces some unique analysis. Illustrations range from traditional Ingres nudes to Norman Mailer as a pharaoh on the cover of New York magazine.
>
> Included in the chapter ?Epic Ambitions and Epicurean Appetites? is a subchapter titled ?The Return of the Repressed in Durrell?s Alexandria Quartet? that focuses on the depiction of Darley. Footnote 70 for this chapter cites James Gifford?s ?The Frontiers of Love: Sexual and Territorial Ambiguity in Lawrence Durrell?s Monsieur.?
>
> Bottom line ? this is a book that some of you might want to peruse. For me, it provides new insight into the many ?textbook? images of orientalism I have enjoyed over the years, and introduces me to many ?new? contemporary photographs, paintings, and ideas.
>
> Best,
> Merrianne Timko
>
>
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From: William Apt <billyapt at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [ilds] Mention of the Alexandria Quartet in an
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Bruce:
I seem to recall that, according to MacNiven's bio, when LD was confronted with the opportunity for homoerotic encounters while in prep school in England, he realized he was unstimulated by boys. That is typically the hallmark of a heterosexual mindset. Do you have any evidence other than LD's occasional bad behavior toward women that might otherwise support your theory?
Billy
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> On May 31, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Merrianne,
>
> Thanks. Some years ago Boone wrote a provocative article on homosexuality in the Quartet. It begins by discussing Durrell's reference to Tropic of Cancer as a "man-size piece of work" in his famous introductory letter to Miller. Boone took this as an example of Durrell's repressed homosexuality, if I recall correctly. That is roughly equivalent to "you've shown me yours, now I'll show you mine." Years ago I pursued this line of argument on the ILDS List and was roundly scoffed at. "Durrell is gay! Nonsense!" Personally I think he was a repressed homosexual, which might account for some of his strange and violent behavior. The guy was pretty screwed up. Perhaps we can resume this discussion.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 31, 2014, at 6:31 AM, "Merrianne" <timlot at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Before attending the OMG conference in Vancouver, I purchased a recently published book ? The Homoerotics of Orientalism by Joseph Allen Boone, published by Columbia University Press. The book is generating some controversy. Having spent many years researching 19th century orientalist art, I am finding this book very interesting, but not your usual summer read. It weaves together many diverse threads ? art, literature, gender, sexuality, colonialism, mass marketing, etc., and introduces some unique analysis. Illustrations range from traditional Ingres nudes to Norman Mailer as a pharaoh on the cover of New York magazine.
>>
>> Included in the chapter ?Epic Ambitions and Epicurean Appetites? is a subchapter titled ?The Return of the Repressed in Durrell?s Alexandria Quartet? that focuses on the depiction of Darley. Footnote 70 for this chapter cites James Gifford?s ?The Frontiers of Love: Sexual and Territorial Ambiguity in Lawrence Durrell?s Monsieur.?
>>
>> Bottom line ? this is a book that some of you might want to peruse. For me, it provides new insight into the many ?textbook? images of orientalism I have enjoyed over the years, and introduces me to many ?new? contemporary photographs, paintings, and ideas.
>>
>> Best,
>> Merrianne Timko
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ILDS mailing list
>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
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