From pieterwiest at att.net  Fri Nov 11 22:50:05 2011
From: pieterwiest at att.net (PIETER WIEST)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:50:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ilds] Recollected passage; Durrell?
Message-ID: <1321080605.65395.YahooMailClassic@web180002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello:

Many years ago I was struck by the writer's good sense in that his handling of a scene involving two lovers, I believe on an island, was so unique, yet stamped with such seeming authenticity.? These lovers knew their time together was to be brief as the husband of one was known to be approaching the island by motorboat.? In their final moments together, they faced each other on opposing chairs or divans, and each masturbated.? This is my recollection, anyway.

I thought it must have been Durrell, in the Quartet, but on rereading the books, lo, the scene was not there.

Am I wrong about what I had read as a young man, or is it a matter, perhaps, of expurgation?

Pieter Wiest

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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 11:28:01 2011
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:28:01 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Recollected passage; Durrell?
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Hi all,

Just a quick note that Pieter Wiest isn't subscribed to the listserv, so 
please reply to him directly or Cc his email address in any responses:

<pieterwiest at att.net>

Cheers,
James

On 11/11/11 10:50 PM, PIETER WIEST wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Many years ago I was struck by the writer's good sense in that his
> handling of a scene involving two lovers, I believe on an island, was so
> unique, yet stamped with such seeming authenticity. These lovers knew
> their time together was to be brief as the husband of one was known to
> be approaching the island by motorboat. In their final moments together,
> they faced each other on opposing chairs or divans, and each
> masturbated. This is my recollection, anyway.
>
> I thought it must have been Durrell, in the Quartet, but on rereading
> the books, lo, the scene was not there.
>
> Am I wrong about what I had read as a young man, or is it a matter,
> perhaps, of expurgation?
>
> Pieter Wiest
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 12:07:48 2011
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:07:48 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Recollected passage; Durrell?
In-Reply-To: <1321080605.65395.YahooMailClassic@web180002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321080605.65395.YahooMailClassic@web180002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EBED214.1090608@gmail.com>

Hi Pieter,

I think this must be drawn in from another text.  Sometimes I find 
different works blurring together, like one phrase from a song turning 
into another...

I can't think of any motorboats in the Quartet, though the various 
pieces are there: a boat, and island, couples with spouses, peculiar 
facing scenes.  Pitch in a mirror or harpoon, and the effect would be 
complete!

Best,
James

On 11/11/11 10:50 PM, PIETER WIEST wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Many years ago I was struck by the writer's good sense in that his
> handling of a scene involving two lovers, I believe on an island, was so
> unique, yet stamped with such seeming authenticity. These lovers knew
> their time together was to be brief as the husband of one was known to
> be approaching the island by motorboat. In their final moments together,
> they faced each other on opposing chairs or divans, and each
> masturbated. This is my recollection, anyway.
>
> I thought it must have been Durrell, in the Quartet, but on rereading
> the books, lo, the scene was not there.
>
> Am I wrong about what I had read as a young man, or is it a matter,
> perhaps, of expurgation?
>
> Pieter Wiest
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds

From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu  Sun Nov 13 14:21:03 2011
From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl))
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:21:03 -0500
Subject: [ilds] Recollected passage; Durrell?
In-Reply-To: <4EBED214.1090608@gmail.com>
References: <1321080605.65395.YahooMailClassic@web180002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<4EBED214.1090608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C420209053E92F3@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>

There's a hydroplane in the AQ -- which may or may not be a boat. Gatsby says he has one, and asks Nick to go out with him.

Bill


W. L. Godshalk *
Department of English    *           *
University of Cincinnati*   * Stellar Disorder  *
OH 45221-0069 *  *
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From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of James Gifford [james.d.gifford at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 3:07 PM
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca; pieterwiest at att.net
Subject: Re: [ilds] Recollected passage; Durrell?

Hi Pieter,

I think this must be drawn in from another text.  Sometimes I find
different works blurring together, like one phrase from a song turning
into another...

I can't think of any motorboats in the Quartet, though the various
pieces are there: a boat, and island, couples with spouses, peculiar
facing scenes.  Pitch in a mirror or harpoon, and the effect would be
complete!

Best,
James

On 11/11/11 10:50 PM, PIETER WIEST wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Many years ago I was struck by the writer's good sense in that his
> handling of a scene involving two lovers, I believe on an island, was so
> unique, yet stamped with such seeming authenticity. These lovers knew
> their time together was to be brief as the husband of one was known to
> be approaching the island by motorboat. In their final moments together,
> they faced each other on opposing chairs or divans, and each
> masturbated. This is my recollection, anyway.
>
> I thought it must have been Durrell, in the Quartet, but on rereading
> the books, lo, the scene was not there.
>
> Am I wrong about what I had read as a young man, or is it a matter,
> perhaps, of expurgation?
>
> Pieter Wiest
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
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From ttipas at runbox.no  Sun Nov 13 23:01:51 2011
From: ttipas at runbox.no (tib pas)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:01:51 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [ilds] palimpsest
Message-ID: <E1RPqYB-00036n-22@fenris.runbox.com>

Good morning,
the good news, at least as far as i'm concerned, is that i am about to embark on what i hope will be a meaningful discussion of the palimpsest in the AQ. the bad news is that most of my scholarly books and notes have been left behind in the States and that at this point my home port is in the middle of nowhere, specifically a gothic noplaceville in spooky Transylvania, where vampires are in need of dental work, not to mention scholarly material for LD-related work. The libraries in the capital are not any more bounteous in this respect either. So my question to the LD community is: would you be aware of significant scholarly work on the palimpsest in Durrell? Articles in journals?  Goes w/o saying i've been through the ILDS online bibliography but with hardly any luck.

i will appreciate any suggestion.


thank you.


tiberio z. paskuy


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From ttipas at runbox.no  Sun Nov 13 23:07:17 2011
From: ttipas at runbox.no (tib pas)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:07:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [ilds] glitch
Message-ID: <E1RPqdR-0003KV-6i@fenris.runbox.com>

please disregard the earlier of the two messages i just sent off ildswards.  i accidentally hit the send key before i was done writing. all my apologies for the inconvenience.  Please consider my second message if you think it worth considering.
thank you

tiberio 


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From ttipas at runbox.no  Sun Nov 13 23:00:33 2011
From: ttipas at runbox.no (tib pas)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:00:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [ilds] palimpsest
Message-ID: <E1RPqWv-00035M-SU@fenris.runbox.com>

Good morning,
the good news, at least as far as i'm concerned, is that i am about to embark on what i hope will be a meaningful discussion of the palimpsest in the AQ. the bad news is that most of my scholarly books and notes have been left behind in the States and that at this point my home port is in the middle of nowhere, specifically a gothic noplaceville in spooky Transylvania, where vampires are in need of dental work, not to mention scholarly material for LD-related work. The libraries in the capital are not any more So my question to the LD community is: would you be aware of significant scholarly work on the palimpsest in Durrell? Articles in journals?  Goes w/o saying i've been through the ILDS online bibliography but with hardly any luck.


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That things crawl off in the manner of snakes,
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Like a load of wood on the shoulders.
But the pathways are dangerous.
The captured elements and ancient laws of earth
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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 23:53:07 2011
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:53:07 -0800
Subject: [ilds] palimpsest
In-Reply-To: <E1RPqYB-00036n-22@fenris.runbox.com>
References: <E1RPqYB-00036n-22@fenris.runbox.com>
Message-ID: <4EC0C8E3.7080304@gmail.com>

Hello all,

By way of suggestion, Mr. Paskuy is not subscribed to the ILDS listserv 
(at least not through the email address included), so can I request that 
responses be sent to him either directly or including him as Cc'd in the 
message -- he may not receive messages sent only to the list.

Best,
James

On 13/11/11 11:01 PM, tib pas wrote:
> Good morning,
> the good news, at least as far as i'm concerned, is that i am about to embark on what i hope will be a meaningful discussion of the palimpsest in the AQ. the bad news is that most of my scholarly books and notes have been left behind in the States and that at this point my home port is in the middle of nowhere, specifically a gothic noplaceville in spooky Transylvania, where vampires are in need of dental work, not to mention scholarly material for LD-related work. The libraries in the capital are not any more bounteous in this respect either. So my question to the LD community is: would you be aware of significant scholarly work on the palimpsest in Durrell? Articles in journals?  Goes w/o saying i've been through the ILDS online bibliography but with hardly any luck.
>
> i will appreciate any suggestion.
>
>
> thank you.
>
>
> tiberio z. paskuy
>
>
> ========================================
> THE BIG PRINT: For practical purposes keep in mind that email is NOT confidential.
> The fine print: This message and any files transmitted with it ARE CONFIDENTIAL to the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. You should notify the sender immediately and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy.  THIRD-PARTY use or diffusion of this message and/or its attachments is unlawful without the sender's written permission. The sender cannot be held responsible for any modification of his message resulting from electronic transmission.
>
> Ce message ?lectronique et chacune de ses annexes sont ?tablis ? l'attention exclusive du destinataire et peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, veuillez le d?truire et avertir son exp?diteur. Toute publication, reproduction, copie, distribution ou autre diffusion ou utilisation par des tiers est interdite sans autorisation expresse. L'exp?diteur ne peut ?tre tenu responsable d'une modification de son message qui r?sulterait de la transmission par voie ?lectronique.
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