From meta.cerar at guest.arnes.si Mon Oct 10 02:40:02 2011 From: meta.cerar at guest.arnes.si (Meta Cerar) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:40:02 +0200 Subject: [ilds] durrell and astrology Message-ID: I haven't received any durrellian post quite for some time, but I do hope this silence is only temporary. I sure miss reading discussions about Durrell. Anyway, my translation of Dark Labyrinth came out at the end of July, and as I expected, the reception was sort of mixed - some readers - especially the AQ fans - were fascinated with it, others were left stone dead, as Durrell would say. It's a pity because D.L. being more or less unnoticed, the translation of Bitter Lemons - which I was hoping for - - is now definitely out of question A literary critic - an ardent admirer of Durrell - wants to organize a round table about the Dark Labyrinth, with a focus on Durrell's attitude towards and use of astrology (along with other occult practices, and his interest in everything metaphysical). She wants me to participate but I haven't beem able to find anything useful on this paricular topic in Durrell's biographies and on the Internet, apart from a few quotations. There is a brief passage in Dark Labyrinth about astrology, though, which proves that D. probably had some knowledge about it. Can anyone help with any suggestions, information ..? Best regards, Meta Cerar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles-sligh at utc.edu Mon Oct 10 06:13:09 2011 From: charles-sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:13:09 -0400 Subject: [ilds] durrell and astrology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E92EF65.6050204@utc.edu> On 10/10/11 5:40 AM, Meta Cerar wrote: > I haven't received any durrellian post quite for some time, but I > do hope this silence is only temporary. Thanks for this note, Meta. Would you please send me any publication information that you have for your translation? Thank you. I will be happy to post announcements about your publication via the Durrell 2012: The Lawrence Durrell Centenary website, Durrell 2012 on Facebook, and Durrell 2012 on Twitter. (If you are not subscribed to the blog and those feeds and checking in regularly, then you are missing the main source of news for all things 2012.) For my own part, my energies are mostly taken up with family matters, coordinating the Durrell Centenary, and teaching my courses here at university. The reading list for this semester's "Seminar in the Novel" course speaks volumes (/literally/!) for the classroom time-commitment: /The Alexandria Quartet/; /One Hundred Years of Solitude/; /Gravity's Rainbow/; /Little, Big/; /Nights at the Circus/. I hope that others here on the listserv will make suggestions about Durrell's interest in things astrological, occult. and arcane. For a quick start, you might try Carol Peirce's "Intimations of Power Within": Durrell's Heavenly Game of the Tarot." Critical Essays on Lawrence Durrell, Ed. Alan Warren Friedman, 200-213. Boston: G.K. Hall & Co., 1987. Also, browsing the terminal index to Richard Pine's /Lawrence Durrell: The Mindscape/ will almost always prove fruitful. In the /Quartet/, if you have not been back there recently, try reviewing Clea's practices and Da Capo's tall tale. Good luck with your endeavors, Meta, and please keep me posted. (Please let me know about the "round-table" that you mention. I am always happy to "boost.") Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allysonk at mweb.co.za Mon Oct 10 07:04:40 2011 From: allysonk at mweb.co.za (Allyson) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:04:40 +0200 Subject: [ilds] durrell and astrology In-Reply-To: <4E92EF65.6050204@utc.edu> References: <4E92EF65.6050204@utc.edu> Message-ID: There is a reference to the tarot in The World of Lawrence Durrell by Harry T Moore. This is located in the essay by Carl Bode A Guide to Alexandria. In this essay he reads some of the characters of the Quartet using the Tarot cards. Regards, Allyson From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Charles Sligh Sent: 10 October 2011 03:13 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] durrell and astrology On 10/10/11 5:40 AM, Meta Cerar wrote: I haven't received any durrellian post quite for some time, but I do hope this silence is only temporary. Thanks for this note, Meta. Would you please send me any publication information that you have for your translation? Thank you. I will be happy to post announcements about your publication via the Durrell 2012: The Lawrence Durrell Centenary website, Durrell 2012 on Facebook, and Durrell 2012 on Twitter. (If you are not subscribed to the blog and those feeds and checking in regularly, then you are missing the main source of news for all things 2012.) For my own part, my energies are mostly taken up with family matters, coordinating the Durrell Centenary, and teaching my courses here at university. The reading list for this semester's "Seminar in the Novel" course speaks volumes (literally!) for the classroom time-commitment: The Alexandria Quartet; One Hundred Years of Solitude; Gravity's Rainbow; Little, Big; Nights at the Circus. I hope that others here on the listserv will make suggestions about Durrell's interest in things astrological, occult. and arcane. For a quick start, you might try Carol Peirce's "Intimations of Power Within": Durrell's Heavenly Game of the Tarot." Critical Essays on Lawrence Durrell, Ed. Alan Warren Friedman, 200-213. Boston: G.K. Hall & Co., 1987. Also, browsing the terminal index to Richard Pine's Lawrence Durrell: The Mindscape will almost always prove fruitful. In the Quartet, if you have not been back there recently, try reviewing Clea's practices and Da Capo's tall tale. Good luck with your endeavors, Meta, and please keep me posted. (Please let me know about the "round-table" that you mention. I am always happy to "boost.") Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From meta.cerar at guest.arnes.si Tue Oct 11 04:18:28 2011 From: meta.cerar at guest.arnes.si (Meta Cerar) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:18:28 +0200 Subject: [ilds] durrell and astrology In-Reply-To: <4E92EF65.6050204@utc.edu> Message-ID: <6F053209F6F54A0F929693B7BF25C084@inv.local> Thanks for your kind reply, Charles. I would be happy to send you the publication info about the translation. What exactly do you need? The editor's text on the back cover, publisher's announcement, reviews? Of course it's no use if I send you the texts in Slovenian, so I have to translate them into English first, which may take a few days. I think the front cover design is really good, so maybe you can put it on the D. 2012 website, which I'm of course checking in regularly. Thanks so much for the references concerning D's interest in astrology and the occult. I will check them asap. Mindscape has been waiting on my shelf for some time. I remember that Clea has her horoscope made every day, but Da Capo's tale seems to have slipped out of my memory. I know that Henry Miller was quite a fan of astrology so reading their correspondence will probably throw some light on that side of L.D. Good luck with your preparations for the Centenary!!! I will of course keep you posted about events related to Dark Labyrinth. Best regards Meta _____ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Charles Sligh Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:13 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] durrell and astrology On 10/10/11 5:40 AM, Meta Cerar wrote: I haven't received any durrellian post quite for some time, but I do hope this silence is only temporary. Thanks for this note, Meta. Would you please send me any publication information that you have for your translation? Thank you. I will be happy to post announcements about your publication via the Durrell 2012: The Lawrence Durrell Centenary website, Durrell 2012 on Facebook, and Durrell 2012 on Twitter. (If you are not subscribed to the blog and those feeds and checking in regularly, then you are missing the main source of news for all things 2012.) For my own part, my energies are mostly taken up with family matters, coordinating the Durrell Centenary, and teaching my courses here at university. The reading list for this semester's "Seminar in the Novel" course speaks volumes (literally!) for the classroom time-commitment: The Alexandria Quartet; One Hundred Years of Solitude; Gravity's Rainbow; Little, Big; Nights at the Circus. I hope that others here on the listserv will make suggestions about Durrell's interest in things astrological, occult. and arcane. For a quick start, you might try Carol Peirce's "Intimations of Power Within": Durrell's Heavenly Game of the Tarot." Critical Essays on Lawrence Durrell, Ed. Alan Warren Friedman, 200-213. Boston: G.K. Hall & Co., 1987. Also, browsing the terminal index to Richard Pine's Lawrence Durrell: The Mindscape will almost always prove fruitful. In the Quartet, if you have not been back there recently, try reviewing Clea's practices and Da Capo's tall tale. Good luck with your endeavors, Meta, and please keep me posted. (Please let me know about the "round-table" that you mention. I am always happy to "boost.") Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Sat Oct 15 12:53:22 2011 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:53:22 -0400 Subject: [ilds] BITTER LEMONS In-Reply-To: <9373A6EF4D63430EA8766110C5F8CA48@Law1> References: <9373A6EF4D63430EA8766110C5F8CA48@Law1> Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C42020903B3047B@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> I have a friend, Michael Atkinson, who reads -- he says -- 40 pages of of any book that has been recommended to him. If any 40 pages, he does not like the book, he moves on to the next book. My father was a dipper. He would read a few pages or paragraphs, maybe even read the end of the book. I rarely saw him give up on a book, but he challenged every book to keep his interest. So, William, I recommend either method to you. As Maugham says, life is short, and there are so many books to read Bill . W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of William Apt [williamapt at austin.rr.com] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:01 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] BITTER LEMONS Dear all: I loved PROSPERO'S CELL and REFLECTIONS ON A MARINE VENUS for Durrell's abstract, poetic portrayal of his experiences. Both books are demanding, not user-friendly, and require a great deal of concentration and reflection. Both books captivated me from the outset. 40 pages into it, I find BITTER LEMONS to be unsatisfying. Except for the introductory scene in Venice, it is a straight forward narrative about quaint personalities Durrell encounters: interesting to a point only, and lacking the lyricism I loved in the former two books. Am I not giving BITTER LEMONS enough of a chance? WILLIAM APT Austin, Texas From billyapt at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 19:32:32 2011 From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:32:32 -0500 Subject: [ilds] BITTER LEMONS In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C42020903B3047B@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <9373A6EF4D63430EA8766110C5F8CA48@Law1> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C42020903B3047B@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: <721E7E08-036C-4704-B0FA-9E43A2023B8C@gmail.com> Dear Bill & everyone else who saw this email: It was written by me and posted about 3 years ago! Somehow, though, it just now appeared! I'm not sure how this happened. But it is nevertheless how I felt about Bitter Lemons. Regretably, the book just did not resonate with me. In any event, I hope to attend the ILDS conference this summer in London and to finally get to meet you all. You're a wonderful group. All the best, Billy Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:53 PM, "Godshalk, William (godshawl)" wrote: > I have a friend, Michael Atkinson, who reads -- he says -- 40 pages of of any book that has been recommended to him. If any 40 pages, he does not like the book, he moves on to the next book. > > My father was a dipper. He would read a few pages or paragraphs, maybe even read the end of the book. I rarely saw him give up on a book, but he challenged every book to keep his interest. > > > So, William, I recommend either method to you. As Maugham says, life is short, and there are so many books to read > > Bill > > . > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of William Apt [williamapt at austin.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:01 PM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: [ilds] BITTER LEMONS > > Dear all: > > I loved PROSPERO'S CELL and REFLECTIONS ON A MARINE VENUS for Durrell's abstract, poetic portrayal of his experiences. Both books are demanding, not user-friendly, and require a great deal of concentration and reflection. Both books captivated me from the outset. > > 40 pages into it, I find BITTER LEMONS to be unsatisfying. Except for the introductory scene in Venice, it is a straight forward narrative about quaint personalities Durrell encounters: interesting to a point only, and lacking the lyricism I loved in the former two books. > > Am I not giving BITTER LEMONS enough of a chance? > > WILLIAM APT > Austin, Texas > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From charles-sligh at utc.edu Sun Oct 16 06:46:29 2011 From: charles-sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 09:46:29 -0400 Subject: [ilds] BITTER LEMONS In-Reply-To: <721E7E08-036C-4704-B0FA-9E43A2023B8C@gmail.com> References: <9373A6EF4D63430EA8766110C5F8CA48@Law1> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C42020903B3047B@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <721E7E08-036C-4704-B0FA-9E43A2023B8C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E9AE035.2010908@utc.edu> On 10/15/11 10:32 PM, William Apt wrote: > It was written by me and posted about 3 years ago! Somehow, though, it just now appeared! > > I'm not sure how this happened. But it is nevertheless how I felt about Bitter Lemons. Regretably, the book just did not resonate with me. > > In any event, I hope to attend the ILDS conference this summer in London and to finally get to meet you all. You're a wonderful group. Good to see your note, whatever the case, Billy. (Drop me a note off-list sometime soon. I think that we should pick up where we left off.) Regarding this glitch-ridden listserv: Yes, this platform has served us well for many, many years. (My thanks to all who have built and contributed.) However, like desktop computing and that quaint tool of communication, "email," the listserv is showing its age. Look for an announcement here about how we'll be migrating to a new platform. Hoping that every is well. Happy Autumn to everyone in the upper hemispheres. We are definitely post-equinoctial here in Tennessee, with our solar warmth leaching away, bit-by-bit, with every day's passing. Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thomas (Penguin Books 1962) They were all purchased used through Amazon.com one night, and none of them cost more than $10 U.S. Bruce, SELECTED POEMS contains ?On First Looking into Loeb?s Horace? so we should revisit your comments about it some time soon. Thanks - Ken This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. It is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email or telephone and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtart at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 16 13:14:08 2011 From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:14:08 +1100 Subject: [ilds] Bitter Lemons Message-ID: <9E8E01F57D43446DB749201741A684C1@DenisePC> William, it is implied in the title that Durrell's island experience on Cyprus during Enossis was quite different from that of Rhodes and Corfu. On Cyprus his beloved greeks turned nasty and this effected Durrell greatly. There is more situational and personal truth in Bitter Lemons than in the earlier island books. There is also political and social commentary. Prospero's Cell and Reflections on a Marine Venus represent a different time, moodscape and method of construction; Durrell's marvelous alchemy and spirit of place. I think you like the early part of Bitter Lemons because it promises another entry into arcadia, but then switches into a grimmer reality of hostility - foreshadowed in the the second chapter. 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I have read and started and stopped reading quite a few bad books. This isn't one of them! Robin From billyapt at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 18:01:00 2011 From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:01:00 -0500 Subject: [ilds] Bitter Lemons In-Reply-To: <9E8E01F57D43446DB749201741A684C1@DenisePC> References: <9E8E01F57D43446DB749201741A684C1@DenisePC> Message-ID: Ah. Well put. Thanks... Billy Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2011, at 3:14 PM, "Denise Tart & David Green" wrote: > William, > > it is implied in the title that Durrell's island experience on Cyprus during Enossis was quite different from that of Rhodes and Corfu. On Cyprus his beloved greeks turned nasty and this effected Durrell greatly. There is more situational and personal truth in Bitter Lemons than in the earlier island books. There is also political and social commentary. Prospero's Cell and Reflections on a Marine Venus represent a different time, moodscape and method of construction; Durrell's marvelous alchemy and spirit of place. I think you like the early part of Bitter Lemons because it promises another entry into arcadia, but then switches into a grimmer reality of hostility - foreshadowed in the the second chapter. > > David > > > 16 William Street > Marrickville NSW 2204 > AUSTRALIA > +61 2 9564 6165 > 0412 707 625 > www.denisetart.com.au > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billyapt at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 18:01:13 2011 From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:01:13 -0500 Subject: [ilds] not so bitter In-Reply-To: <2816A904-6570-4162-84B4-ADFEEEE175E8@gmail.com> References: <2816A904-6570-4162-84B4-ADFEEEE175E8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AC13CDB-E949-4E32-AC8F-0779C6C23A34@gmail.com> Thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2011, at 5:37 PM, "Robin.W.Collins" wrote: > William > > My experience with Durrell is limited -- Justine, Black Labyrinth, that thin humorous diplomatic book, Esprit de Corps, and Bitter Lemons. I read them all in my late teens or early 20s in the mid 1970s. > > Bitter Lemons was the first of his that I read and it was up to that time the most beautiful writing I had ever encountered. I will have to re-read it to see if I still think that. > > So, yes, get past those 40 pages. It's not action packed but an exceptional memoir with rich entertaining prose. I have read and started and stopped reading quite a few bad books. This isn't one of them! > > Robin > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds