From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 19:59:45 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:59:45 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead Message-ID: Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to The Alexandria Quartet was his projected Book of the Dead. According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead on Corfu (Lawrence Durrell: A Biography [London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the Book of the Dead? It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the Book of the Dead in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? James? 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on this topic. Many thanks. Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:58:28 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:58:28 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E49EAE4.9040401@gmail.com> I can't give any remarkable details, but in /Panic Spring/, Durrell does have a chapter entitled "The Mummy," which details mummification and embalming. The inspiration seems clear... He details a number of things that would have originated in Budge, or kindred sources, such as evisceration "per anum," injection of cedar oil the same way, and so forth. The general description seems to match the sequence in Herodotus, but it could be anything really. He was revising the proofs in 1936 and had been working on it in 1935. Given the nature of /Panic Spring/, I think it's entirely reasonable to postulate from the timeline we do have that composition may have already been begun in England, or perhaps the sketching of portions. When the Mummy materials entered the draft, who knows, but Stephanides does mention Durrell telling a story akin to the chapter while on Corfu (/Autumn Gleanings/ 43-4). Completion of it in late 1935 or early 1936 could be narrowed by going through Faber's archives, if they'd let someone in... Sorry I can't help beyond that. Charles would likely have more specifics. Best, James On 15/08/11 7:59 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to /The Alexandria > Quartet/ was his projected /Book of the Dead./ According to Ian MacNiven > in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian > /Book of the Dead/ on Corfu/(Lawrence Durrell: A Biography/ [London > 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. MacNiven > based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, > > 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning of > Durrell's interest in the /Book of the Dead? /It seems reasonable to > assume that he had already begun his studies on the/Book of the Dead /in > London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of > ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? > / > / > 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this > esoteric material? > > 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? James? > > 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I > haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. > > > A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on this > topic. Many thanks. > > > > Bruce > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From timlot at comcast.net Tue Aug 16 07:43:49 2011 From: timlot at comcast.net (timlot at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bruce, I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological perspective. You probably k now that Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead (popularized and p erpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical . As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available through amazon.com). Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting?antiquities, including Egyptian objects? Merrianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Redwine" To: "Durrell list" Cc: "Bruce Redwine" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to The Alexandria Quartet was his projected Book of the Dead. ?According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead on Corfu (Lawrence Durrell: ?A Biography [London 1998], 153-54). ?That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. ?MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. ?So, 1. ?Does anyone dispute this date? ?I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the Book of the Dead? ? It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the Book of the Dead in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. ?Yes? ?No? 2. ?Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? 3. ?Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? ?Charles? ?James? 4. ?Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? ?I haven't found it so far. ?If so, citations, please. A lot of questions. ?I'd appreciate any assistance. ?I'm working on this topic. ?Many thanks. Bruce _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 10:15:21 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:15:21 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Merrianne, Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's Egyptological interests. I once said he had very little, if any, interest in ancient Egypt. I'm beginning to think otherwise, although I don't think the evidence is obvious. Yes, Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." That translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of his inspiration. So, I want to try and recover what that experience meant to him. Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of Durrell's interest. Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. Re Egyptology in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the "collective unconscious," among other things. Thanks again for the response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever appropriate. Bruce On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net wrote: > Bruce, > > I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical. > > As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available through amazon.com). > > Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting antiquities, including Egyptian objects? > > Merrianne > From: "Bruce Redwine" > To: "Durrell list" > Cc: "Bruce Redwine" > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM > Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead > > Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to The Alexandria Quartet was his projected Book of the Dead. According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead on Corfu (Lawrence Durrell: A Biography [London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, > > 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the Book of the Dead? It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the Book of the Dead in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? > > 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? > > 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? James? > > 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. > > > A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on this topic. Many thanks. > > > > Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Anna.Lillios at ucf.edu Tue Aug 16 11:57:50 2011 From: Anna.Lillios at ucf.edu (Anna Lillios) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:57:50 +0000 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, Message-ID: <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508B6@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> Don't forget that there are two BOOKS OF THE DEAD. The TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD, edited by W.Y. Evans-Wentz, was in Durrell's Sommieres library, I believe. --Anna ________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] on behalf of Bruce Redwine [bredwine1968 at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:15 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead Merrianne, Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's Egyptological interests. I once said he had very little, if any, interest in ancient Egypt. I'm beginning to think otherwise, although I don't think the evidence is obvious. Yes, Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." That translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of his inspiration. So, I want to try and recover what that experience meant to him. Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of Durrell's interest. Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. Re Egyptology in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the "collective unconscious," among other things. Thanks again for the response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever appropriate. Bruce On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net wrote: Bruce, I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical. As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available through amazon.com). Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting antiquities, including Egyptian objects? Merrianne ________________________________ From: "Bruce Redwine" > To: "Durrell list" > Cc: "Bruce Redwine" > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to The Alexandria Quartet was his projected Book of the Dead. According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead on Corfu (Lawrence Durrell: A Biography [London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the Book of the Dead? It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the Book of the Dead in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? James? 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on this topic. Many thanks. Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 12:56:01 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:56:01 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: <1313520934.72347.YahooMailNeo@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1313520934.72347.YahooMailNeo@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9971DDC9-C0E7-4B81-891C-1C3176686EEF@earthlink.net> Re Durrell's library on Egyptology, I've seen the holdings in the archive at Carbondale and am not in the least impressed by the titles. Not one serious history or study of Egyptology. Dunno about Paris. I can't access the website. Bruce On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > Look at LD's collection of books on ancient Egypt, (catalogued in both Carbondale and Paris-X) before reaching a view on whether or not he studied scholarly books on the subject. > RP > > From: Bruce Redwine > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Cc: Bruce Redwine > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead > > Merrianne, > > Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's Egyptological interests. I once said he had very little, if any, interest in ancient Egypt. I'm beginning to think otherwise, although I don't think the evidence is obvious. Yes, Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." That translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of his inspiration. So, I want to try and recover what that experience meant to him. Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of Durrell's interest. Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. Re Egyptology in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the "collective unconscious," among other things. Thanks again for the response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever appropriate. > > > Bruce > > > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net wrote: > >> Bruce, >> >> I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical. >> >> As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available through amazon.com). >> >> Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting antiquities, including Egyptian objects? >> >> Merrianne >> From: "Bruce Redwine" >> To: "Durrell list" >> Cc: "Bruce Redwine" >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM >> Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >> >> Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to The Alexandria Quartet was his projected Book of the Dead. According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead on Corfu (Lawrence Durrell: A Biography [London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, >> >> 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the Book of the Dead? It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the Book of the Dead in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? >> >> 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? >> >> 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? James? >> >> 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. >> >> >> A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on this topic. Many thanks. >> >> >> >> Bruce > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 16:56:28 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:56:28 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Oxford In-Reply-To: <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508D4@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> References: <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508D4@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> Message-ID: <4E4B03AC.1080705@gmail.com> He lists Oxford as his residence while finishing /Bitter Lemons/, and he'd published in some of the undergraduate poetry journals there -- correspondents from that ended up in Egypt during the war and interacted with him, quite a number actually. A few returned to residences in or around Oxford, so he would have known friends there. There's also Vivien Ridler, who worked for OUP, whom LD knew through Anne Ridler, but I don't know at what time they took up full-time residence there or if they kept up dual residences. Oxford landscapes appear in Anne Ridler's poetry of the 40s. The Bodleian has a nice collection of Durrell's letters, which Ian notes in the bio (prior to their arriving at Oxford and that he does not appear to have seen in full). They cover the post-Cyprus time period, so I'll check if they have a return address in Oxford listed for him. Cheers, J ps: I hope you had a productive time! On 16/08/11 12:04 PM, Anna Lillios wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Recently, I spent a few weeks in Oxford, England. Ian says that Eve > Durrell moved into a home at 84 Old Road in Headington, when she was > pregnant. Larry then appeared from Belgrade for the birth of Sappho. I > also heard from a fellow Durrellian that Larry lived a few blocks away > at the Croft, near Old High Street. Does anyone have any information > about Durrell's presence in Oxford? > > --Anna > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 00:52:56 2011 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: <9971DDC9-C0E7-4B81-891C-1C3176686EEF@earthlink.net> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1313520934.72347.YahooMailNeo@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <9971DDC9-C0E7-4B81-891C-1C3176686EEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1313567576.61517.YahooMailNeo@web65819.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> On a quick count, at Paris there are approx 23 volumes and issues of learned journals relating to Egypt and Egyptology. RP From: Bruce Redwine To: Richard Pine ; Durrell list Cc: Bruce Redwine Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead Re Durrell's library on Egyptology,?I've seen the holdings in the archive at Carbondale and am not in the least impressed by the titles. ?Not one serious history or study of Egyptology. ?Dunno about Paris. ?I can't access the website. Bruce On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Richard Pine wrote: Look at LD's collection of books on ancient Egypt, (catalogued in both Carbondale and Paris-X) before reaching a view on whether or not he studied scholarly books on the subject. >RP? > > >From: Bruce Redwine >To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca >Cc: Bruce Redwine >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:15 PM >Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead > > >Merrianne, > > >Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's Egyptological interests. ?I once said he had very little, if any, interest in ancient Egypt. ?I'm beginning to think otherwise, although I don't think the evidence is obvious. ?Yes, Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." ?That translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of his inspiration. ?So, I want to try and recover what that experience meant to him. ?Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of Durrell's interest. ?Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. ?Re Egyptology in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the "collective unconscious," among other things. ?Thanks again for the response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever appropriate. > > > > >Bruce > > > > > > > > >On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net wrote: > >Bruce, >> >>I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical. >> >>As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available through?amazon.com). >> >>Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting?antiquities, including Egyptian objects? >> >>Merrianne >> >>From:?"Bruce Redwine" >>To:?"Durrell list" >>Cc:?"Bruce Redwine" >>Sent:?Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM >>Subject:?[ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >> >>Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to?The Alexandria Quartet?was his projected?Book of the Dead.??According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian?Book of the Dead?on Corfu?(Lawrence Durrell: ?A Biography?[London 1998], 153-54). ?That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. ?MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. ?So, >> >> >>1. ?Does anyone dispute this date? ?I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the?Book of the Dead? ?It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the?Book of the Dead?in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. ?Yes? ?No? >> >> >>2. ?Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? >> >> >>3. ?Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? ?Charles? ?James? >> >> >>4. ?Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? ?I haven't found it so far. ?If so, citations, please. >> >> >> >> >>A lot of questions. ?I'd appreciate any assistance. ?I'm working on this topic. ?Many thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Bruce > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 02:17:09 2011 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508B6@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508B6@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> Message-ID: <1313572629.62657.YahooMailNeo@web65801.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Apropos Anna's reference to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a brief review of Donald S Lopez Jr's 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead: a biography' in TLS (17/6/11) by Mark Vernon states: 'it is not really a book and is hardly known in Tibet. Rather, it is the product of the creative editing of Walter Evans-Wentz, a Victorian Theosophist.His literary assembly owes as much to the doctrines of Madame Blavatsky as the purported author, Padmasambhava.... Evens-Wentz drew from a cycle of texts called the Bardo Thodol....' and so on. The 'literary assembly' suggests the same kind of endeavour as that of Elias Lonnrot, whose 'Kalevala' is regarded as the Finnish national epic, but which was 'assembled' by Lonnrot over a long period (mainly the 1830s) in Karelia. RP? From: Anna Lillios To: "ilds at lists.uvic.ca" Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead Don't forget that there are two BOOKS OF THE DEAD.? The TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD, edited by W.Y. Evans-Wentz, was in Durrell's Sommieres library, I believe. ???? --Anna From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] on behalf of Bruce Redwine [bredwine1968 at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:15 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead Merrianne, Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's Egyptological interests. ?I once said he had very little, if any, interest in ancient Egypt. ?I'm beginning to think otherwise, although I don't think the evidence is obvious. ?Yes, Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." ?That translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of his inspiration. ?So, I want to try and recover what that experience meant to him. ?Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of Durrell's interest. ?Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. ?Re Egyptology in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the "collective unconscious," among other things. ?Thanks again for the response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever appropriate. Bruce On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net wrote: Bruce, >? >I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical. >? >As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available through?amazon.com). >? >Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting?antiquities, including Egyptian objects? >? >Merrianne > >From:?"Bruce Redwine" >To:?"Durrell list" >Cc:?"Bruce Redwine" >Sent:?Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM >Subject:?[ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead > >Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to?The Alexandria Quartet?was his projected?Book of the Dead.??According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian?Book of the Dead?on Corfu?(Lawrence Durrell: ?A Biography?[London 1998], 153-54). ?That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. ?MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. ?So, > > >1. ?Does anyone dispute this date? ?I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the?Book of the Dead? ?It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the?Book of the Dead?in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. ?Yes? ?No? > > >2. ?Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? > > >3. ?Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? ?Charles? ?James? > > >4. ?Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? ?I haven't found it so far. ?If so, citations, please. > > > > >A lot of questions. ?I'd appreciate any assistance. ?I'm working on this topic. ?Many thanks. > > > > > > >Bruce _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From delospeter at hotmail.com Wed Aug 17 06:46:56 2011 From: delospeter at hotmail.com (PETER BALDWIN) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:46:56 +0000 Subject: [ilds] Oxford In-Reply-To: <4E4B03AC.1080705@gmail.com> References: <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508D4@NET5013.net.ucf.edu>, <4E4B03AC.1080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is this the Reilly collection in the Bodleian - as suggested by a quick search on the library website? peter > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:56:28 -0700 > From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: Re: [ilds] Oxford > > He lists Oxford as his residence while finishing /Bitter Lemons/, and > he'd published in some of the undergraduate poetry journals there -- > correspondents from that ended up in Egypt during the war and interacted > with him, quite a number actually. A few returned to residences in or > around Oxford, so he would have known friends there. There's also > Vivien Ridler, who worked for OUP, whom LD knew through Anne Ridler, but > I don't know at what time they took up full-time residence there or if > they kept up dual residences. Oxford landscapes appear in Anne Ridler's > poetry of the 40s. > > The Bodleian has a nice collection of Durrell's letters, which Ian notes > in the bio (prior to their arriving at Oxford and that he does not > appear to have seen in full). They cover the post-Cyprus time period, > so I'll check if they have a return address in Oxford listed for him. > > Cheers, > J > > ps: I hope you had a productive time! > > On 16/08/11 12:04 PM, Anna Lillios wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Recently, I spent a few weeks in Oxford, England. Ian says that Eve > > Durrell moved into a home at 84 Old Road in Headington, when she was > > pregnant. Larry then appeared from Belgrade for the birth of Sappho. I > > also heard from a fellow Durrellian that Larry lived a few blocks away > > at the Croft, near Old High Street. Does anyone have any information > > about Durrell's presence in Oxford? > > > > --Anna > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ILDS mailing list > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles-sligh at utc.edu Wed Aug 17 09:16:53 2011 From: charles-sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:16:53 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: <1313567576.61517.YahooMailNeo@web65819.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1313520934.72347.YahooMailNeo@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <9971DDC9-C0E7-4B81-891C-1C3176686EEF@earthlink.net> <1313567576.61517.YahooMailNeo@web65819.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E4BE975.5060401@utc.edu> On 8/17/11 3:52 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > On a quick count, at Paris there are approx 23 volumes and > issues of learned journals relating to Egypt and Egyptology. Thanks for this account, Richard. Yesterday I wrote (but did not send) a note on the strengths and (special) limits of the Carbondale collection. What you write above about the Paris holding chimes with my understanding. > The materials at Carbondale cannot be judged as the entirety > of -- or even a representative selection of -- "Durrell's > library" or "Durrell's reading." > > Accurately viewed, the titles held at Carbondale are some > certain portion of Durrell's books -- books from which he was > willing to part in exchange for money at a certain moment in > his life. Many more books never made it into the collection > at Carbondale. Some of those "missing" books are in France, > held at Paris or in private collection. Even more books were > shared out, gifted, lost, or otherwise scattered over the years. > > "Scraps orts and fragments," but I would not bank any strong, > global pronouncement about Durrell's reading upon them. > -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 09:36:28 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:36:28 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: <4E4BE975.5060401@utc.edu> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1313520934.72347.YahooMailNeo@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <9971DDC9-C0E7-4B81-891C-1C3176686EEF@earthlink.net> <1313567576.61517.YahooMailNeo@web65819.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4E4BE975.5060401@utc.edu> Message-ID: <4E4BEE0C.3090207@gmail.com> In many respects, the "lost" volumes are more interesting because they're not generally accounted for in the critical literature. The odds & ends here & there in libraries and personal collections... They're scattered at dozens of places, most of which have them held in another author's papers (Connelly even had Durrell's intended revisions to /Tunc/). Who knows what was lost -- a long-term project could be retrospectively assembling a list from the known materials as well as those referred to in his correspondences, but that would be a big, big project. Cheers, James On 17/08/11 9:16 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: > On 8/17/11 3:52 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > >> On a quick count, at Paris there are approx 23 volumes and >> issues of learned journals relating to Egypt and Egyptology. > > Thanks for this account, Richard. > > Yesterday I wrote (but did not send) a note on the strengths and > (special) limits of the Carbondale collection. What you write above > about the Paris holding chimes with my understanding. > >> The materials at Carbondale cannot be judged as the entirety >> of -- or even a representative selection of -- "Durrell's >> library" or "Durrell's reading." >> >> Accurately viewed, the titles held at Carbondale are some >> certain portion of Durrell's books -- books from which he was >> willing to part in exchange for money at a certain moment in >> his life. Many more books never made it into the collection at >> Carbondale. Some of those "missing" books are in France, held >> at Paris or in private collection. Even more books were shared >> out, gifted, lost, or otherwise scattered over the years. >> >> "Scraps orts and fragments," but I would not bank any strong, >> global pronouncement about Durrell's reading upon them. >> > -- > ******************************************** > Charles L. Sligh > Assistant Professor > Department of English > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > charles-sligh at utc.edu > ******************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 09:34:27 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:34:27 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: <1313572629.62657.YahooMailNeo@web65801.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508B6@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> <1313572629.62657.YahooMailNeo@web65801.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the review. It's interesting and informative. So, The Tibetan Book of the Dead may be bogus, just as Madame Blavatsky's writings were? Bogus or not, the focus should be, I think, on how Durrell responded and interpreted such materials. Durrell, after all, was a poet, not a scholar, and should not be held to the standards of the latter. Bruce On Aug 17, 2011, at 2:17 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > Apropos Anna's reference to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a brief review of Donald S Lopez Jr's 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead: a biography' in TLS (17/6/11) by Mark Vernon states: 'it is not really a book and is hardly known in Tibet. Rather, it is the product of the creative editing of Walter Evans-Wentz, a Victorian Theosophist.His literary assembly owes as much to the doctrines of Madame Blavatsky as the purported author, Padmasambhava.... Evens-Wentz drew from a cycle of texts called the Bardo Thodol....' and so on. > The 'literary assembly' suggests the same kind of endeavour as that of Elias Lonnrot, whose 'Kalevala' is regarded as the Finnish national epic, but which was 'assembled' by Lonnrot over a long period (mainly the 1830s) in Karelia. > RP > > From: Anna Lillios > To: "ilds at lists.uvic.ca" > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead > > Don't forget that there are two BOOKS OF THE DEAD. The TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD, edited by W.Y. Evans-Wentz, was in Durrell's Sommieres library, I believe. > > --Anna > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] on behalf of Bruce Redwine [bredwine1968 at earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:15 PM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Cc: Bruce Redwine > Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead > > Merrianne, > > Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's Egyptological interests. I once said he had very little, if any, interest in ancient Egypt. I'm beginning to think otherwise, although I don't think the evidence is obvious. Yes, Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." That translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of his inspiration. So, I want to try and recover what that experience meant to him. Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of Durrell's interest. Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. Re Egyptology in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the "collective unconscious," among other things. Thanks again for the response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever appropriate. > > > Bruce > > > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net wrote: > >> Bruce, >> >> I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical. >> >> As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available through amazon.com). >> >> Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting antiquities, including Egyptian objects? >> >> Merrianne >> From: "Bruce Redwine" >> To: "Durrell list" >> Cc: "Bruce Redwine" >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM >> Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >> >> Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to The Alexandria Quartet was his projected Book of the Dead. According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead on Corfu (Lawrence Durrell: A Biography [London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, >> >> 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the Book of the Dead? It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the Book of the Dead in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? >> >> 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? >> >> 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? James? >> >> 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. >> >> >> A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on this topic. Many thanks. >> >> >> >> Bruce > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 09:45:47 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:45:47 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E4BF03B.2070908@gmail.com> Regarding Jung and Freud, watch too the timeline... Durrell did have a brief correspondence with Jung, but I think for the period you're looking at other psychoanalytic sources would be more useful: Freud, Graham Howe, Otto Rank, etc. I suspect you're prior to his interests in Jung and Groddeck, the latter of whom first appeared during the Balkan period. I don't know when Jung first entered LD's radar, but establishing a "no later than" date would be fairly easy. Howe was a short-lived interest as well. In making some of these queries about books, we should be mindful of when he might have been looking at them almost as much as what he was looking at. He had an early interest in Theosophy or at least in Theosophists, but that doesn't last. Cheers, James On 16/08/11 10:15 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Merrianne, > > Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's Egyptological > interests. I once said he had very little, if any, interest in ancient > Egypt. I'm beginning to think otherwise, although I don't think the > evidence is obvious. Yes, Budge's translation of the /Book of the Dead/ > is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." That translation, however, is > the one Durrell read and was the source of his inspiration. So, I want > to try and recover what that experience meant to him. Freud's small > collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. those seen in the photos of his > office in Vienna) are entirely relevant to the culture of the times (I'm > thinking of the Egyptian Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been > the source of Durrell's interest. Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. > Re Egyptology in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than > Freud ? the "collective unconscious," among other things. Thanks again > for the response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever > appropriate. > > > Bruce > > > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net > wrote: > >> Bruce, >> >> I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological >> perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book of >> the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical. >> >> As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define >> the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a >> "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent >> British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: >> Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available >> throughamazon.com ). >> >> Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting >> antiquities, including Egyptian objects? >> >> Merrianne >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*"Bruce Redwine" > > >> *To:*"Durrell list" > >> *Cc:*"Bruce Redwine" > > >> *Sent:*Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM >> *Subject:*[ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >> >> Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to/The Alexandria >> Quartet/was his projected/Book of the Dead./According to Ian MacNiven >> in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient >> Egyptian/Book of the Dead/on Corfu/(Lawrence Durrell: A >> Biography/[London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge >> translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to >> Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, >> >> 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning >> of Durrell's interest in the/Book of the Dead? /It seems reasonable to >> assume that he had already begun his studies on the/Book of the >> Dead/in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class >> collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? >> / >> / >> 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in >> this esoteric material? >> >> 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? >> James? >> >> 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I >> haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. >> >> >> A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on this >> topic. Many thanks. >> >> >> >> Bruce > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 09:47:10 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:47:10 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Oxford In-Reply-To: References: <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508D4@NET5013.net.ucf.edu>, <4E4B03AC.1080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E4BF08E.4040405@gmail.com> Yes, that's the one. Alas, apart from the Cyprus letters, there isn't a return address (presumably on the envelopes that haven't survived). Ian saw the materials, and his correspondence is included, but comparing the letters to the biography suggests that he was only shown parts of the correspondence. No major revisions from it, but it does shed light on his connections and who might show up for celebrations of his works. Best, Jamie On 17/08/11 6:46 AM, PETER BALDWIN wrote: > Is this the Reilly collection in the Bodleian - as suggested by a quick > search on the library website? > > peter > > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:56:28 -0700 > > From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com > > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > > Subject: Re: [ilds] Oxford > > > > He lists Oxford as his residence while finishing /Bitter Lemons/, and > > he'd published in some of the undergraduate poetry journals there -- > > correspondents from that ended up in Egypt during the war and interacted > > with him, quite a number actually. A few returned to residences in or > > around Oxford, so he would have known friends there. There's also > > Vivien Ridler, who worked for OUP, whom LD knew through Anne Ridler, but > > I don't know at what time they took up full-time residence there or if > > they kept up dual residences. Oxford landscapes appear in Anne Ridler's > > poetry of the 40s. > > > > The Bodleian has a nice collection of Durrell's letters, which Ian notes > > in the bio (prior to their arriving at Oxford and that he does not > > appear to have seen in full). They cover the post-Cyprus time period, > > so I'll check if they have a return address in Oxford listed for him. > > > > Cheers, > > J > > > > ps: I hope you had a productive time! > > > > On 16/08/11 12:04 PM, Anna Lillios wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Recently, I spent a few weeks in Oxford, England. Ian says that Eve > > > Durrell moved into a home at 84 Old Road in Headington, when she was > > > pregnant. Larry then appeared from Belgrade for the birth of Sappho. I > > > also heard from a fellow Durrellian that Larry lived a few blocks away > > > at the Croft, near Old High Street. Does anyone have any information > > > about Durrell's presence in Oxford? > > > > > > --Anna > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ILDS mailing list > > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > _______________________________________________ > > ILDS mailing list > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 09:56:14 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:56:14 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Oxford In-Reply-To: References: <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508D4@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> <4E4B03AC.1080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E4BF2AE.9060001@gmail.com> The plot thickens... I don't have a return address in Oxford from any of LD's correspondences I transcribed. I might have it in materials from other archives, but that's going to be a bit of a dig. I'll report if I find anything. -James On 16/08/11 5:04 PM, William Godshalk wrote: > My email has been down. The Oxford period is the Francis J. Mott period. > > Bill > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:56 PM, James Gifford > > wrote: > > He lists Oxford as his residence while finishing /Bitter Lemons/, > and he'd published in some of the undergraduate poetry journals > there -- correspondents from that ended up in Egypt during the war > and interacted with him, quite a number actually. A few returned to > residences in or around Oxford, so he would have known friends > there. There's also Vivien Ridler, who worked for OUP, whom LD knew > through Anne Ridler, but I don't know at what time they took up > full-time residence there or if they kept up dual residences. > Oxford landscapes appear in Anne Ridler's poetry of the 40s. > > The Bodleian has a nice collection of Durrell's letters, which Ian > notes in the bio (prior to their arriving at Oxford and that he does > not appear to have seen in full). They cover the post-Cyprus time > period, so I'll check if they have a return address in Oxford listed > for him. > > Cheers, > J > > ps: I hope you had a productive time! > > > On 16/08/11 12:04 PM, Anna Lillios wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Recently, I spent a few weeks in Oxford, England. Ian says that Eve > Durrell moved into a home at 84 Old Road in Headington, when she was > pregnant. Larry then appeared from Belgrade for the birth of > Sappho. I > also heard from a fellow Durrellian that Larry lived a few > blocks away > at the Croft, near Old High Street. Does anyone have any information > about Durrell's presence in Oxford? > > --Anna > > ------------------------------__------------------------------__------------ > > > > > _________________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/__listinfo/ilds > > > _________________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/__listinfo/ilds > > > > > > -- > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * * > University of Cincinnati * stellar disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * * > godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu > From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 09:56:27 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:56:27 -0700 Subject: [ilds] listserv error Message-ID: <4E4BF2BB.4020108@gmail.com> Hello all, An administrative note -- the ILDS listserv seems to be returning some messages to the list as undeliverable. This has been intermittent for a few weeks and has increased in frequency yesterday and today. If you receive an error message, please resend (and Cc me so that I know about it; the administrators don't otherwise receive notification). I'll contact the institutional sponsors to see what's afoot, but I know server upgrades are underway, so this is likely a temporary side-effect. Thanks for being patient. Best, James From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 10:20:01 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:20:01 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508B6@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> <1313572629.62657.YahooMailNeo@web65801.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E4BF841.8060200@gmail.com> I think back to LD's lifting of a Groddeck case file about the relation between excitation of the nasal nerves with cocaine proving that the nose and the penis are connected, which is the real reason everyone's so afraid of syphilis... ($%#?) Deeply bogus, but it became Semira's nose. While I doubt Durrell would have believed it, I'm certain he found it useful. I think of Umberto Eco's /Foucault's Pendulum/ appearing in the aftermath of /Holy Blood, Holy Grail/. Fun speculative history might not be true, but it's certainly fodder for fiction! Then again, why are we sometimes disappointed to discover fiction is based on a fake? Allan Moore practices magic, which he says he knows is a fake, but he does it anyway and writes about it... Best, James On 17/08/11 9:34 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Thanks for the review. It's interesting and informative. So, /The > Tibetan Book of the Dead/ may be bogus, just as Madame Blavatsky's > writings were? Bogus or not, the focus should be, I think, on how > Durrell responded and interpreted such materials. Durrell, after all, > was a poet, not a scholar, and should not be held to the standards of > the latter. > > > Bruce > > > > On Aug 17, 2011, at 2:17 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > >> Apropos Anna's reference to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a brief >> review of Donald S Lopez Jr's 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead: a >> biography' in TLS (17/6/11) by Mark Vernon states: 'it is not really a >> book and is hardly known in Tibet. Rather, it is the product of the >> creative editing of Walter Evans-Wentz, a Victorian Theosophist.His >> literary assembly owes as much to the doctrines of Madame Blavatsky as >> the purported author, Padmasambhava.... Evens-Wentz drew from a cycle >> of texts called the Bardo Thodol....' and so on. >> The 'literary assembly' suggests the same kind of endeavour as that of >> Elias Lonnrot, whose 'Kalevala' is regarded as the Finnish national >> epic, but which was 'assembled' by Lonnrot over a long period (mainly >> the 1830s) in Karelia. >> RP >> >> *From:* Anna Lillios > >> *To:* "ilds at lists.uvic.ca " >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:57 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >> >> Don't forget that there are two BOOKS OF THE DEAD. The TIBETAN BOOK OF >> THE DEAD, edited by W.Y. Evans-Wentz, was in Durrell's Sommieres >> library, I believe. >> >> --Anna >> *From:* ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca >> [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] on behalf of Bruce Redwine >> [bredwine1968 at earthlink.net] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:15 PM >> *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca >> *Cc:* Bruce Redwine >> *Subject:* Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >> >> Merrianne, >> >> Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's >> Egyptological interests. I once said he had very little, if any, >> interest in ancient Egypt. I'm beginning to think otherwise, although >> I don't think the evidence is obvious. Yes, Budge's translation of the >> /Book of the Dead/ is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." That >> translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of >> his inspiration. So, I want to try and recover what that experience >> meant to him. Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. >> those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely >> relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian >> Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of >> Durrell's interest. Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. Re Egyptology >> in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the >> "collective unconscious," among other things. Thanks again for the >> response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever >> appropriate. >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net >> wrote: >> >>> Bruce, >>> I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological >>> perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book >>> of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is >>> problematical. >>> As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define >>> the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a >>> "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent >>> British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: >>> Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available >>> throughamazon.com ). >>> Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting >>> antiquities, including Egyptian objects? >>> Merrianne >>> *From:*"Bruce Redwine" >> > >>> *To:*"Durrell list" > >>> *Cc:*"Bruce Redwine" >> > >>> *Sent:*Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM >>> *Subject:*[ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >>> >>> Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to/The Alexandria >>> Quartet/was his projected/Book of the Dead./According to Ian MacNiven >>> in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient >>> Egyptian/Book of the Dead/on Corfu/(Lawrence Durrell: A >>> Biography/[London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge >>> translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to >>> Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, >>> >>> 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning >>> of Durrell's interest in the/Book of the Dead? /It seems reasonable >>> to assume that he had already begun his studies on the/Book of the >>> Dead/in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class >>> collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? >>> / >>> / >>> 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in >>> this esoteric material? >>> >>> 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? >>> James? >>> >>> 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I >>> haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. >>> >>> >>> A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on >>> this topic. Many thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruce >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 11:42:57 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:42:57 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead In-Reply-To: <4E4BF841.8060200@gmail.com> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B316508B6@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> <1313572629.62657.YahooMailNeo@web65801.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4E4BF841.8060200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58E2397A-0DC0-4D62-9E69-ED8ECD232B8F@earthlink.net> James, good example, Semira's nose, as you've noted in your note. How writers use their sources is what's important, not the validity of those materials. I'm not disappointed to know a piece of fiction is based on a fake, but I am concerned about fiction becoming a fake. Bruce On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:20 AM, James Gifford wrote: > I think back to LD's lifting of a Groddeck case file about the relation between excitation of the nasal nerves with cocaine proving that the nose and the penis are connected, which is the real reason everyone's so afraid of syphilis... ($%#?) Deeply bogus, but it became Semira's nose. While I doubt Durrell would have believed it, I'm certain he found it useful. > > I think of Umberto Eco's /Foucault's Pendulum/ appearing in the aftermath of /Holy Blood, Holy Grail/. Fun speculative history might not be true, but it's certainly fodder for fiction! Then again, why are we sometimes disappointed to discover fiction is based on a fake? > > Allan Moore practices magic, which he says he knows is a fake, but he does it anyway and writes about it... > > Best, > James > > On 17/08/11 9:34 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >> Thanks for the review. It's interesting and informative. So, /The >> Tibetan Book of the Dead/ may be bogus, just as Madame Blavatsky's >> writings were? Bogus or not, the focus should be, I think, on how >> Durrell responded and interpreted such materials. Durrell, after all, >> was a poet, not a scholar, and should not be held to the standards of >> the latter. >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> On Aug 17, 2011, at 2:17 AM, Richard Pine wrote: >> >>> Apropos Anna's reference to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a brief >>> review of Donald S Lopez Jr's 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead: a >>> biography' in TLS (17/6/11) by Mark Vernon states: 'it is not really a >>> book and is hardly known in Tibet. Rather, it is the product of the >>> creative editing of Walter Evans-Wentz, a Victorian Theosophist.His >>> literary assembly owes as much to the doctrines of Madame Blavatsky as >>> the purported author, Padmasambhava.... Evens-Wentz drew from a cycle >>> of texts called the Bardo Thodol....' and so on. >>> The 'literary assembly' suggests the same kind of endeavour as that of >>> Elias Lonnrot, whose 'Kalevala' is regarded as the Finnish national >>> epic, but which was 'assembled' by Lonnrot over a long period (mainly >>> the 1830s) in Karelia. >>> RP >>> >>> *From:* Anna Lillios > >>> *To:* "ilds at lists.uvic.ca " >>> > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:57 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >>> >>> Don't forget that there are two BOOKS OF THE DEAD. The TIBETAN BOOK OF >>> THE DEAD, edited by W.Y. Evans-Wentz, was in Durrell's Sommieres >>> library, I believe. >>> >>> --Anna >>> *From:* ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca >>> [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] on behalf of Bruce Redwine >>> [bredwine1968 at earthlink.net] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:15 PM >>> *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca >>> *Cc:* Bruce Redwine >>> *Subject:* Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >>> >>> Merrianne, >>> >>> Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's >>> Egyptological interests. I once said he had very little, if any, >>> interest in ancient Egypt. I'm beginning to think otherwise, although >>> I don't think the evidence is obvious. Yes, Budge's translation of the >>> /Book of the Dead/ is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." That >>> translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of >>> his inspiration. So, I want to try and recover what that experience >>> meant to him. Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. >>> those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely >>> relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian >>> Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of >>> Durrell's interest. Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. Re Egyptology >>> in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the >>> "collective unconscious," among other things. Thanks again for the >>> response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever >>> appropriate. >>> >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Bruce, >>>> I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological >>>> perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book >>>> of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is >>>> problematical. >>>> As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define >>>> the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a >>>> "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent >>>> British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: >>>> Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available >>>> throughamazon.com ). >>>> Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting >>>> antiquities, including Egyptian objects? >>>> Merrianne >>>> *From:*"Bruce Redwine" >>> > >>>> *To:*"Durrell list" > >>>> *Cc:*"Bruce Redwine" >>> > >>>> *Sent:*Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM >>>> *Subject:*[ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >>>> >>>> Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to/The Alexandria >>>> Quartet/was his projected/Book of the Dead./According to Ian MacNiven >>>> in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient >>>> Egyptian/Book of the Dead/on Corfu/(Lawrence Durrell: A >>>> Biography/[London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge >>>> translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to >>>> Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, >>>> >>>> 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning >>>> of Durrell's interest in the/Book of the Dead? /It seems reasonable >>>> to assume that he had already begun his studies on the/Book of the >>>> Dead/in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class >>>> collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? >>>> / >>>> / >>>> 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in >>>> this esoteric material? >>>> >>>> 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? >>>> James? >>>> >>>> 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I >>>> haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. >>>> >>>> >>>> A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on >>>> this topic. Many thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bruce >>> From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 12:36:02 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:36:02 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Sky Blue Press - Nin's /Winter of Artifice/ on sale Message-ID: <4E4C1822.5050103@gmail.com> Hello all, This comes in from Paul Herron. I've already ordered several of Sky Blue Press's recently discounted titles, and many on this list would probably wish to support the production of the Portable Nin reader by pre-ordering. You might also recall seeing the facsimile of Nin's /Winter of Artifice/ on sale during the Paris conference. It's a very fine production and makes a lovely pairing with your first edition copies of /The Black Book/ from the Obelisk Press! The price can't be beat... Best, James ------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 53, Issue 11 From: "Sky Blue Press" Date: 12:17 PM To: Dear Durrellians: One of the three books in the Villa Seurat Series, printed originally by Obelisk Press in Paris, is Anais Nin's 'The Winter of Artifice,' which was funded by Lawrence Durrell in 1939. The book was banned from English-speaking countries and its distribution in France was doomed by war and the death of Jack Kahane, the publisher. When Nin came back to America, she gutted the book, eliminating one story ("Djuna," which was the fictional version of the Henry/June/Anais triangle, and was personally edited by Henry Miller--which is obvious when one reads it) entirely and "sanitizing" the others. A facsimile of the original edition was made available in 2007 as a hardcover, and is being offered for sale right now for $5.99 plus shipping. I'm letting you know about this title because it is an important part of literary history. You can see this and related books at http://www.skybluepress.org. Best regards and amities, Paul Herron From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 12:34:27 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:34:27 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Durrell's Library, Paris-X In-Reply-To: <1313567576.61517.YahooMailNeo@web65819.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1313520934.72347.YahooMailNeo@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <9971DDC9-C0E7-4B81-891C-1C3176686EEF@earthlink.net> <1313567576.61517.YahooMailNeo@web65819.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <749388F4-F5E7-4AC1-9D97-E95EBA4353A4@earthlink.net> I was able to access the website at Paris-X and located the description of Durrell's library in the university's archive. Unfortunately, that catalogue is under construction, and the listing does not contain titles, so I couldn't find the 23 volumes you mentioned. I am not interested in critiquing the quality of Durrell's scholarship in Egyptology (which I consider of little or no importance); rather, I'd like to know if any of his books gave him access to a topic I'm doing research on, namely, the Narmer Palette, one side of which (the recto) is illustrated in Anthony de Cosson's Mareotis (1935; p. 20). Durrell heavily marked up his copy of same. I want to know if he saw both sides of that palette. The Narmer Palette is extremely important (it "celebrates" the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt), and any respectable history of ancient Egypt would have illustrations of its two sides. By the way, the Durrell archive at Paris-X is staggering. I'm amazed at its extent and depth. I recommend that anyone interest in LGD take a look at its holdings. The website is accessible via the ILDS website. Bruce On Aug 17, 2011, at 12:52 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > On a quick count, at Paris there are approx 23 volumes and issues of learned journals relating to Egypt and Egyptology. RP > > From: Bruce Redwine > To: Richard Pine ; Durrell list > Cc: Bruce Redwine > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead > > Re Durrell's library on Egyptology, I've seen the holdings in the archive at Carbondale and am not in the least impressed by the titles. Not one serious history or study of Egyptology. Dunno about Paris. I can't access the website. > > > Bruce > > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > >> Look at LD's collection of books on ancient Egypt, (catalogued in both Carbondale and Paris-X) before reaching a view on whether or not he studied scholarly books on the subject. >> RP >> >> From: Bruce Redwine >> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca >> Cc: Bruce Redwine >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >> >> Merrianne, >> >> Good to know I'm not alone in the curious pursuit of LGD's Egyptological interests. I once said he had very little, if any, interest in ancient Egypt. I'm beginning to think otherwise, although I don't think the evidence is obvious. Yes, Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead is, as one scholar put it, "antiquated." That translation, however, is the one Durrell read and was the source of his inspiration. So, I want to try and recover what that experience meant to him. Freud's small collection of Egyptian antiquities (esp. those seen in the photos of his office in Vienna) are entirely relevant to the culture of the times (I'm thinking of the Egyptian Revival) ? and such photos may have indeed been the source of Durrell's interest. Thanks ? that hadn't occurred to me. Re Egyptology in psychoanalysis, I think Durrell was closer to Jung than Freud ? the "collective unconscious," among other things. Thanks again for the response, and I'd like to see what you're working on, whenever appropriate. >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:43 AM, timlot at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Bruce, >>> >>> I have also been working on this topic - but from an Egyptological perspective. You probably know that Budge's translation of the Book of the Dead (popularized and perpetrated by Dover Books) is problematical. >>> >>> As introductory material in your study, it would be helpful to define the Book of the Dead - a collection of spells (or vignettes) versus a "book" as we know it. You might also find the catalogue of the recent British Museum exhibition helpful - Journey through the Afterlife: Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, by John H. Taylor (available through amazon.com). >>> >>> Also, are you familiar with Freud's interest in collecting antiquities, including Egyptian objects? >>> >>> Merrianne >>> From: "Bruce Redwine" >>> To: "Durrell list" >>> Cc: "Bruce Redwine" >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:59:45 PM >>> Subject: [ilds] The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead >>> >>> Everyone will recall that Durrell's precursor to The Alexandria Quartet was his projected Book of the Dead. According to Ian MacNiven in his biography of LD, Durrell began his study of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead on Corfu (Lawrence Durrell: A Biography [London 1998], 153-54). That was the E. A. Wallis Budge translation. MacNiven based this assertion on Durrell's letter to Miller, ca. late March 1937. So, >>> >>> 1. Does anyone dispute this date? I.e., is this in fact the beginning of Durrell's interest in the Book of the Dead? It seems reasonable to assume that he had already begun his studies on the Book of the Dead in London, at the British Museum, which has a first-class collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Yes? No? >>> >>> 2. Does anyone have an opinion on how Durrell became interested in this esoteric material? >>> >>> 3. Do Durrell's notebooks shed any light on these questions? Charles? James? >>> >>> 4. Is there any discussion of this issue in the scholarly material? I haven't found it so far. If so, citations, please. >>> >>> >>> A lot of questions. I'd appreciate any assistance. I'm working on this topic. Many thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruce >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Wed Aug 17 13:07:15 2011 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:07:15 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Durrell at Oxford Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201F5BF092FB8@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Did Durrell and Eve stay with the Mott's in Oxford? I don't have firm evidence either way, but Mott had his house renovated so that children fleeing London during the German bombing raids could stay with the Motts -- in relative safety. To accommodate children perhaps rooms had to be added to Mott's house. If so, after the war, the Motts would have had extra room -- I surmise. This of course leads nowhere since we don't know Mott's address -- as yet. Was there an Oxford city directory in the early 50s? Bill From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Wed Aug 17 13:23:33 2011 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:23:33 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Oxford City Directory 1950s Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201F5BF092FBA@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> I've been told that cities have kept directories from the year dot. Did Oxford keep such a directory in the 50's? I just sent an email to Oxford to check -- but I'm not sure I sent it to the right address. Bill W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of James Gifford [james.d.gifford at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:36 PM To: ILDS Listserv Cc: skybluepress at skybluepress.com Subject: [ilds] Sky Blue Press - Nin's /Winter of Artifice/ on sale Hello all, This comes in from Paul Herron. I've already ordered several of Sky Blue Press's recently discounted titles, and many on this list would probably wish to support the production of the Portable Nin reader by pre-ordering. You might also recall seeing the facsimile of Nin's /Winter of Artifice/ on sale during the Paris conference. It's a very fine production and makes a lovely pairing with your first edition copies of /The Black Book/ from the Obelisk Press! The price can't be beat... Best, James ------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: ILDS Digest, Vol 53, Issue 11 From: "Sky Blue Press" Date: 12:17 PM To: Dear Durrellians: One of the three books in the Villa Seurat Series, printed originally by Obelisk Press in Paris, is Anais Nin's 'The Winter of Artifice,' which was funded by Lawrence Durrell in 1939. The book was banned from English-speaking countries and its distribution in France was doomed by war and the death of Jack Kahane, the publisher. When Nin came back to America, she gutted the book, eliminating one story ("Djuna," which was the fictional version of the Henry/June/Anais triangle, and was personally edited by Henry Miller--which is obvious when one reads it) entirely and "sanitizing" the others. A facsimile of the original edition was made available in 2007 as a hardcover, and is being offered for sale right now for $5.99 plus shipping. I'm letting you know about this title because it is an important part of literary history. You can see this and related books at http://www.skybluepress.org. Best regards and amities, Paul Herron _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From marc at marcpiel.fr Wed Aug 17 13:21:41 2011 From: marc at marcpiel.fr (Marc Piel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:21:41 +0200 Subject: [ilds] Durrell's Library, Paris-X In-Reply-To: <749388F4-F5E7-4AC1-9D97-E95EBA4353A4@earthlink.net> References: <356589311.257875.1313505829582.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1313520934.72347.YahooMailNeo@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <9971DDC9-C0E7-4B81-891C-1C3176686EEF@earthlink.net> <1313567576.61517.YahooMailNeo@web65819.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <749388F4-F5E7-4AC1-9D97-E95EBA4353A4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02265A4A-4308-4EB3-8F1A-08B8178CC002@marcpiel.fr> Just for info that "catalogue is under construction" has been under construction for some years now!!! 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URL: From Anna.Lillios at ucf.edu Wed Aug 17 14:01:16 2011 From: Anna.Lillios at ucf.edu (Anna Lillios) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:01:16 +0000 Subject: [ilds] Durrell at Oxford In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201F5BF092FB8@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201F5BF092FB8@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: <2194B1722719C648BE6369F371F5DD1B3165135A@NET5013.net.ucf.edu> Hi Bill, It's fun to click on this link (and photo)--you can imagine walking down the street. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=84+Old+Road,+Headington,+Oxford&gs_upl=10454l12071l0l12452l8l7l0l0l0l0l783l783l6-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1267&bih=616&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x4876c17af009c029:0x34f585fbb23ff368,84+Old+Rd,+Headington,+Oxford+OX3+7LP,+UK&gl=us&ei=7CpMTvW0GoS3twekvqyuCg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ8gEwAA --Anna ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] on behalf of Godshalk, William (godshawl) [godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:07 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Durrell at Oxford Did Durrell and Eve stay with the Mott's in Oxford? I don't have firm evidence either way, but Mott had his house renovated so that children fleeing London during the German bombing raids could stay with the Motts -- in relative safety. To accommodate children perhaps rooms had to be added to Mott's house. If so, after the war, the Motts would have had extra room -- I surmise. This of course leads nowhere since we don't know Mott's address -- as yet. Was there an Oxford city directory in the early 50s? Bill _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Wed Aug 17 14:22:50 2011 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:22:50 -0400 Subject: [ilds] google Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201F5BF092FBB@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> google it -- of course. W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * *