[ilds] heraldic universe and other animals

Truebner, Christine Christine.Truebner at stadt-frankfurt.de
Tue Jun 28 06:49:52 PDT 2011

Pls let me know to better understand discussion what is a oxymoron?

Christine Trübner 

c/o Jugend- und Sozialamt der Stadt Frankfurt am Main




Von: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] Im Auftrag von Denise Tart & David Green
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juni 2011 09:05
An: marc at marcpiel.fr; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
Betreff: Re: [ilds] heraldic universe and other animals

Marc, to me surrealism and communism, certainly as the later was put into practice, are mutually exclusive; oxymoron's as it were. surrealism perhaps had more to do with anarchism, but more peaceful. Durrell was a peaceful anarchist at heart, like many writers and artists.
so, the French still have a communist party? in Terra Australis they ceased to be many moons ago. even the labor party vote is down to 27%. May day does not get a look in, even on uni campuses these days; new world order and mining boom. the Aussie bourgeois, those who are not conservative, vote 'green' to feel better about their vast carbon/resource footprint - adjectivally HUGE but at least we dump a few veggie scraps in the recycling....quelle maleur..
Charles...send the Cunard to Sydney...I'll be on it, first class and no adjectival icebergs..
You will be pleased to know that Dark Labyrinth is now doing the rounds of my year 12 students; Durrell will live on in a new generation of young Aussies but perhaps not quite with the same spectacular effect at Brett Whitley's Justine.

From: Marc Piel <mailto:marc at marcpiel.fr>  
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:12 AM
To: gifford at fdu.edu ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
Subject: Re: [ilds] heraldic universe

Hi James,
I am always surprised to see "Surrealism" and "Communism" put together.
Sure that Communism was very attractive at the beginning to Surrealists, especially because of Breton who stayed a very long time, but most of the interesting Surrealists left very quickly. They quickly saw that it was "locking" them in instead of giving them freedom. The most important characteristic of Surrealism  was freedom in the largest sense of the word. Curiously the ones that stayed with communism were those that came from bourgeois backgrounds and families like Breton. The same is true today in France. The communist party still exists with about 1% of vote and all from bourgeois backgrounds. I'm not surprised that LD did not follow this movement.

Le 27/06/11 22:32, James Gifford a écrit : 

	Hi Bruce,
	I agreed not to post the article to any listservs, but I signed nothing 
	regarding private individuals...
	As for Ian's edition, it does contain substantial cuts and differs in 
	many respects from Wickes' work, but both are selected and differ in 
	different ways.  Alas!  I use both and often go back and forth between 
	them.  That particular letter also appears transcribed by Henry Miller 
	in his correspondence with Herbert Read, but without major differences 
	to content.  You'll find (in general) more material from the early years 
	in Wickes but with different cuts than we find in MacNiven.  Both, IMO, 
	have some wrong dates, but that's inevitable when the letters are 
	undated and have no envelopes -- I'd expect folks will be tweaking those 
	here & there for many years as correlated materials   become available 
	or are correlated.
	I agree that "duration" is important!  Miller included it too.  It 
	signals the breadth of matters Durrell sought to unify in the Heraldic 
	concept, which I don't think can be reduced to just one topic.
	For my particular point, I'd note that Durrell responds fairly overtly 
	to Read's comments in his published speech (Durrell's copy came direct 
	from Miller):
	"Surrealism will only be truly successful in the degree to which it 
	leads, not to social entertainment, but to revolutionary action" (Read)
	   --> [Durrell says he doesn't believe] "that [the artist]
	       wants to transform the world.  He wants to transform
	       men" (Durrell)
	"the Surrealist is naturally a Marxian Socialist, and generally claims 
	that he is a more consistent Communist than many" (Read)
	   --> "but I do not believe the rest of this stuff.  That
	       the artist must be a socialist, for example" (Durrell)
	"we must include all aspects of human experience, not excluding those 
	elements of subconscious life which are revealed in dreams, day dreams, 
	trances and hallucinations." (Read)
	   --> "I firmly believe in the ideals of cementing reality
	       with the dream, but I do not believe the rest of this
	       stuff." (Durrell)
	If you set the two texts side by side with Miller's letters as well, the 
	origins and sequence of topics stands our clearly.
	Only after those and other rebuttals of Read does Durrell finally get to 
	"Listen, Miller, what I feel about it is this" and then his articulation 
	of the Heraldic Universe (and then follows the only reference to Read in 
	a rather unkind postscript, which would otherwise make no sense...). 
	Notably, Miller's rebuttal to Read was very clearly a part of his 
	anarchist politics, both in the letters (copied to LD) and his "An Open 
	Letter to Surrealists Everywhere."  Two years later, Read finally made 
	his own anarchist politics public knowledge, but not until then, which 
	is why he was misunderstood as an authoritarian Marxist and Communist of 
	Breton's mode at the time.
	My personal sense is that this context signficantly revises how we see 
	Durrell's descriptions of the Heraldic Universe in his other letters, 
	his description of it in /Personal Landscape/, as well as some of his 
	ambiguous aesthetic devices and essays such as "No Clue to Living." 
	After going through those, I've not been able to read /The Revolt of 
	Aphrodite/ the same way...  I think, for instance, of the burning of all 
	contractual obligations, the emphasis on personal responsibility, and 
	the peculiar references to Zeno (see Kropotkin's Britannica article on 
	"Anarchism" for that).  There's also LD's self-reference to his poem 
	"Freedom" near the end of the book too.
	It's worth looking back to Wilde's "Soul of Man Under Socialism" as 
	well, which relies significantly on Kropotkin, and which Read echoes in 
	his first anarchist writings.
	In any case, that's occupying my attention at the moment, along with the 
	print history of the subsequent ties to other authors with kindred 
	ideas.  I feel it oddly important to note I have no sympathy for the 
	American "libertarian" movement hitting Fox News so much at present...
	(BTW, the work in question from Read is rather hard to get...)
	Read, Herbert. "Speech by Herbert Read at the Conway Hall." /The 
	Surrealist Bulletin/ 4 (1936): 7-13.
	There's related work in his edited book on Surrealism through Faber, 
	which is easy to get.
	On 27/06/11 10:55 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote:

		James, I'm in the dark, again. Could you post your article appearing in
		//By the way, perhaps I've missed something again. On the topic of
		"Heraldic" in the Durrell-Miller letters, why does MacNiven leave out
		material that Wickes includes? E.g., in the letter of Fall or August
		1936, Wickes has Durrell writing, "I have discovered that the idea of
		duration is false." MacNiven does not include this important statement
		about "Heraldic."
		On Jun 26, 2011, at 8:51 PM, James Gifford wrote:

			I'm interested in where this leads!
			I argued last year in /jml/ that the Henry Miller - Herbert Read
			correspondence casts a new light on Durrell's most famous use of the
			term Heraldic in his letters to Miller. The gist is that Miller was
			criticizing Read for his promotion of Communism in his written works
			following the 1936 London International Surrealist Exhibition, and
			Miller was promoting his anarchist views contra Read's supposed
			Communism. Both authors were in contact with Emma Goldman, but Read
			only made his anarchist views public in 1938.
			In any case, the point is that Durrell's 1936 letter discussing the
			Heraldic Universe is, in context (in my reckoning), a point by point
			response to Read in Miller's correspondence (which Miller had been
			copying to Durrell, and in which he quoted Durrell's letter to Read).
			It also means the letter is probably misdated in MacNiven and was likely
			a month or so later than the estimated August 1936.
			In context, I contend the Heraldic notion carries a great deal of
			sympathy for Miller's anarchism and the anti-Marxist politics of the
			epistolary discussion. In that sense, the personal enacted in the
			Heraldic carries a very particular politics. "Personalism" seems to
			have followed in the 40s in London at least in part as a response to
			Durrell and largely as a development from Read's "Politics of the
			This sense of the Heraldic Universe runs contrary to much of what
			already exists in the critical works on Durrell, so I'm waiting to see
			if anything more pops up that pulls it in different directions -- Warton
			could be important...
			On 26/06/11 12:34 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote:

				1774 T. Warton Hist. Eng. Poetry I. xi. 336 The pompous
				circumstances of which these heraldic narratives consisted, and the
				minute prolixity with which they were displayed.
				Durrell was a student of poetry as well as a poet. Also he is known
				among Durrellians for his references to the Heraldic Universe --
				which has been linked to various schools of thought.
				I'm wondering if Durrell might have come across the phrase "heraldic
				narratives" in Warton
				and later began to think of his own narratives as heraldic, and the
				world that they evoke as his "heraldic universe."
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