From yaelibd at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 07:28:49 2011 From: yaelibd at gmail.com (Yael BD) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:28:49 +0200 Subject: [ilds] off the wall Message-ID: As an amusing aside on Durrell's interest in sexualities, here's a quote from his brother Gerald's book "Fillets of Plaice", from a story about the family's adventures on Corfu (no prizes for guessing where Gerald took his title from). Larry is talking about a young family guest, Leonora. 'My God, she's lovely,' said Larry admiringly. 'But I'm sure she's a Lesbian. She resists all my advances.' 'She's certainly very lovely,' said Sven, 'so beautiful in fact that it almost makes me wish I weren't a homosexual. However, there are advantages to being homosexual.' 'I think to be bisexual is best,' said Larry, 'then you've got the best of both worlds, as it were.' > > > > On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote: > > > Thanks for the very illuminating piece on Durrell's concept of sexuality. > one can see from his writings that he was thinking about all kinds of > sexualities, his interest in psychoanalysis supports this and i think that > if he was born in a different era he may have been less inhibited in trying > out in practice what he tried out in fiction. but that is true for most of > us, isn't it? > > anyhow, i had this crazy notion, and this may seem off the wall , that > the character of Dr Balthazar was in fact connected to Durrell's interest > in Groddeck. > > i find it interesting that he chose Balthazar of all possible characters > to present Darley with the interliner. somehow, it evoke in me Groddeck's > letters to Freud where Groddeck insisted on being Freud's disciple. > > Rony > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110330/9e91d97d/attachment.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 30 09:50:57 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:50:57 -0700 Subject: [ilds] off the wall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86A46BF7-6DDF-48E2-8FD1-66A489FBA1D4@earthlink.net> Thanks. Yes, the exchange (p. 16 of Fillets of Plaice) supposedly occurred on Corfu, during the days of My Family and Other Animals, which is when LGD wrote about Miller's "man-size piece." If not whimsical, LGD's comment proves nothing, however, besides his receptiveness to bisexuality as a fact and not as a philosophical or psychoanalytic construct. Some argue for the latter (e.g., Michael Haag, if I'm right). What would constitute proof? Thomas Mann's struggles with suppressed homosexuality, although suspected in works such as Death in Venice, didn't become known until his diaries were published. Something in that order. Bruce On Mar 30, 2011, at 7:28 AM, Yael BD wrote: > As an amusing aside on Durrell's interest in sexualities, here's a quote from his brother Gerald's book "Fillets of Plaice", from a story about the family's adventures on Corfu (no prizes for guessing where Gerald took his title from). Larry is talking about a young family guest, Leonora. > > 'My God, she's lovely,' said Larry admiringly. 'But I'm sure she's a Lesbian. She resists all my advances.' > > 'She's certainly very lovely,' said Sven, 'so beautiful in fact that it almost makes me wish I weren't a homosexual. However, there are advantages to being homosexual.' > > 'I think to be bisexual is best,' said Larry, 'then you've got the best of both worlds, as it were.' > > > > > > > On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote: > > > Thanks for the very illuminating piece on Durrell's concept of sexuality. one can see from his writings that he was thinking about all kinds of sexualities, his interest in psychoanalysis supports this and i think that if he was born in a different era he may have been less inhibited in trying out in practice what he tried out in fiction. but that is true for most of us, isn't it? > > anyhow, i had this crazy notion, and this may seem off the wall , that the character of Dr Balthazar was in fact connected to Durrell's interest in Groddeck. > > i find it interesting that he chose Balthazar of all possible characters to present Darley with the interliner. somehow, it evoke in me Groddeck's letters to Freud where Groddeck insisted on being Freud's disciple. > > Rony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110330/38c0f4ae/attachment.html From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 15:32:57 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:32:57 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Fwd: Durrell Message-ID: <4D97A419.9080008@gmail.com> Hello all, Can anyone help out Leonard Worman (see below)? Best, James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Durrell Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:01:06 -0400 From: Brigitte Worman To: I have been an avid reader of LD since publication of Justine. I am writing you in the hope you can identify a paragraph from a Durrell writing, or a letter (Miller)or a biography)where LD complains about the women in Paris, having unshaven armpits & needing deodorants.I have spent untold hours looking for this item (for important personal reasons)& certainly hope you can cite this reference for me. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Leonard Worman. From dtart at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 3 15:43:13 2011 From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 08:43:13 +1000 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Fwd: Durrell In-Reply-To: <4D97A419.9080008@gmail.com> References: <4D97A419.9080008@gmail.com> Message-ID: the reference to Parisian hairy armpits and the need for deodorants comes from, I think, the Durrell Miller letters which I read a while back and have a memory this observation. however, as the book is in possession I cannot confirm it, but perhaps others can..? David -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Gifford" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:32 AM To: "ILDS Listserv" Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Fwd: Durrell > Hello all, > > Can anyone help out Leonard Worman (see below)? > > Best, > James > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Durrell > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:01:06 -0400 > From: Brigitte Worman > To: > > > I have been an avid reader of LD since publication of Justine. I am > writing you in the hope you can identify a paragraph from a Durrell > writing, or a letter (Miller)or a biography)where LD complains about the > women in Paris, having unshaven armpits & needing deodorants.I have > spent untold hours looking for this item (for important personal > reasons)& certainly hope you can cite this reference for me. Thank you > very much. Sincerely, Leonard Worman. > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds