From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 10:05:34 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:05:34 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Wittgenstein Message-ID: <6A58310E-3159-4105-A7D2-675D8BB9F1C3@earthlink.net> Is there any evidence that suggests LGD had read or was familiar with the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951)? I cannot find any in the Bowker (1997) or MacNiven (1998) biographies, nor in The Durrell-Miller Letters (1988). I doubt that Durrell dabbled in Wittgenstein, although how Pursewarden got his first name is an interesting question, which is probably just a coincidence. Wittgenstein, however, was committed to the idea, in the words of Hans Sluga, "that there is no such thing as the self" (see "'Whose house is that?': Wittgenstein on the Self" in The Cambridge Companion to Wittgenstein [1996], p. 350). This is a big topic in philosophy, and the ideas of a "philosophical self" and an "everyday self" are not the same. Wittgenstein dealt with the former, Durrell with the latter (I tend to believe ? but maybe not). Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110314/23e6b528/attachment.html From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 10:22:44 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:22:44 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Wittgenstein In-Reply-To: <6A58310E-3159-4105-A7D2-675D8BB9F1C3@earthlink.net> References: <6A58310E-3159-4105-A7D2-675D8BB9F1C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4D7E4EE4.9000308@gmail.com> I'm not sure if LD had any Wittgenstein in his various libraries, but I'll check my files once I'm back home. That said, I don't think you'd need Wittgenstein to make this particular point. There are plenty of ways to access it. I personally am of the mind that Durrell presents selfhood as suspicious yet a necessary illusion. The self is, in Nietzsche's sense, hard to find, which isn't quite the same thing as saying it doesn't exist -- for LD, it's also quite clearly subject to change, revision, and may be impossible for the subject to actually locate or identify with any clarity. However, and perhaps this relates to my earlier comments on anarchism and Miller's views on it, I don't think it's possible to align Durrell with the anti-humanist vision of some forms of Marxism we might find in Althusser. Durrell's subjects don't appear to be created from the social conditions of production that call subjectivity into existence... FWIW, I'm always intrigued by what happens to selfhood or subjectivity when Durrell's characters cross borders, discover a new sexual passion, or are recast by different narrative voices. Think, for instance, of Bruce's identity in /Monsieur/, especially in the "Macabru" chapter. What of selfhood when characters "become members of one another" in the Quintet? Hmmm. Best, James On 14/03/11 10:05 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Is there any evidence that suggests LGD had read or was familiar with > the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951)? I cannot find any in > the Bowker (1997) or MacNiven (1998) biographies, nor in /The > Durrell-Miller Letters/ (1988). I doubt that Durrell dabbled in > Wittgenstein, although how Pursewarden got his first name is an > interesting question, which is probably just a coincidence. > Wittgenstein, however, was committed to the idea, in the words of Hans > Sluga, "that there is no such thing as the self" (see "'Whose house is > that?': Wittgenstein on the Self" in /The Cambridge Companion to > Wittgenstein/ [1996], p. 350). This is a big topic in philosophy, and > the ideas of a "philosophical self" and an "everyday self" are not the > same. Wittgenstein dealt with the former, Durrell with the latter (I > tend to believe ? but maybe not). > > > Bruce > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 14 11:03:10 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:03:10 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Wittgenstein In-Reply-To: <4D7E4EE4.9000308@gmail.com> References: <6A58310E-3159-4105-A7D2-675D8BB9F1C3@earthlink.net> <4D7E4EE4.9000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: True, it's not necessary to bring in Wittgenstein in order to see how Durrell comes up with his ideas. It is interesting to see how Durrell fits in with the intellectual history of the 20th century, the most important philosopher of which is Ludwig Wittgenstein. Durrell would probably have been pleased that the Austrian, living and teaching in Cambridge, the hub of analytic philosophy, shared some of his thoughts about "the self." Bruce On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, James Gifford wrote: > I'm not sure if LD had any Wittgenstein in his various libraries, but > I'll check my files once I'm back home. > > That said, I don't think you'd need Wittgenstein to make this particular > point. There are plenty of ways to access it. I personally am of the > mind that Durrell presents selfhood as suspicious yet a necessary > illusion. The self is, in Nietzsche's sense, hard to find, which isn't > quite the same thing as saying it doesn't exist -- for LD, it's also > quite clearly subject to change, revision, and may be impossible for the > subject to actually locate or identify with any clarity. However, and > perhaps this relates to my earlier comments on anarchism and Miller's > views on it, I don't think it's possible to align Durrell with the > anti-humanist vision of some forms of Marxism we might find in > Althusser. Durrell's subjects don't appear to be created from the > social conditions of production that call subjectivity into existence... > > FWIW, I'm always intrigued by what happens to selfhood or subjectivity > when Durrell's characters cross borders, discover a new sexual passion, > or are recast by different narrative voices. Think, for instance, of > Bruce's identity in /Monsieur/, especially in the "Macabru" chapter. > > What of selfhood when characters "become members of one another" in the > Quintet? Hmmm. > > Best, > James > > On 14/03/11 10:05 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >> Is there any evidence that suggests LGD had read or was familiar with >> the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951)? I cannot find any in >> the Bowker (1997) or MacNiven (1998) biographies, nor in /The >> Durrell-Miller Letters/ (1988). I doubt that Durrell dabbled in >> Wittgenstein, although how Pursewarden got his first name is an >> interesting question, which is probably just a coincidence. >> Wittgenstein, however, was committed to the idea, in the words of Hans >> Sluga, "that there is no such thing as the self" (see "'Whose house is >> that?': Wittgenstein on the Self" in /The Cambridge Companion to >> Wittgenstein/ [1996], p. 350). This is a big topic in philosophy, and >> the ideas of a "philosophical self" and an "everyday self" are not the >> same. Wittgenstein dealt with the former, Durrell with the latter (I >> tend to believe ? but maybe not). >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From marcpiel at interdesign.fr Tue Mar 15 10:00:29 2011 From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:00:29 +0100 Subject: [ilds] Wittgenstein In-Reply-To: <6A58310E-3159-4105-A7D2-675D8BB9F1C3@earthlink.net> References: <6A58310E-3159-4105-A7D2-675D8BB9F1C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4D7F9B2D.6030906@interdesign.fr> LGD had a subscription to "La revue Critique". Critique n? 654 : The whole issue was on Wittgenstein : nouvelles lectures 2001 http://www.leseditionsdeminuit.eu/f/index.php?sp=liv&livre_id=2381 B.R. Marc Le 14/03/11 18:05, Bruce Redwine a ?crit : > Is there any evidence that suggests LGD had read or was familiar with > the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951)? I cannot find any in > the Bowker (1997) or MacNiven (1998) biographies, nor in /The > Durrell-Miller Letters/ (1988). I doubt that Durrell dabbled in > Wittgenstein, although how Pursewarden got his first name is an > interesting question, which is probably just a coincidence. > Wittgenstein, however, was committed to the idea, in the words of Hans > Sluga, "that there is no such thing as the self" (see "'Whose house is > that?': Wittgenstein on the Self" in /The Cambridge Companion to > Wittgenstein/ [1996], p. 350). This is a big topic in philosophy, and > the ideas of a "philosophical self" and an "everyday self" are not the > same. Wittgenstein dealt with the former, Durrell with the latter (I > tend to believe ? but maybe not). > > > Bruce > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 15 11:19:36 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:19:36 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Wittgenstein In-Reply-To: <4D7F9B2D.6030906@interdesign.fr> References: <6A58310E-3159-4105-A7D2-675D8BB9F1C3@earthlink.net> <4D7F9B2D.6030906@interdesign.fr> Message-ID: <65594582-028B-4133-9C74-9AE95AC2211E@earthlink.net> Marc, Yes, and thanks. That's informative about today's interests. Wittgenstein has been very important ever since his death in 1951 (in 1999 his Philosophical Investigations [1953] was rated the most important book on philosophy in the 20th century; moreover, he was recently ranked by contemporary philosophers as the most important philosopher of the last 200 years ? interestingly enough, Derrida does not make the "top forty" ? see link below). By the 1960s, Wittgenstein was a very big deal in analytic philosophy. But I don't how important he was during Durrell's period of his own "philosophical investigations." Which was at its peak when? Late 1930s through 1950s? LW was professor of philosophy at Cambridge, 1939-1947, so there's some overlap. Durrell may have been aware of Wittgenstein, but I seriously doubt that he studied him. By the way, Wittgenstein rejects Freud's conceptualization of the "ego," which surely would not have pleased LGD. Conversely, Durrell's notion of "multiple selves" would not have pleased LW, which, I assume, he would have considered multiple errors of the "no self." Obviously, this is a big and complicated topic which needs to be fully explored, and I've yet to see anyone tackle it in the literary, biographical, philosophical, and historical perspectives that it requires. Bruce leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2009/03/so-who-is-the-most-important-philosopher-of-the-past-200-years.html On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Marc Piel wrote: > LGD had a subscription to "La revue Critique". > Critique n? 654 : The whole issue was on > Wittgenstein : nouvelles lectures 2001 > > http://www.leseditionsdeminuit.eu/f/index.php?sp=liv&livre_id=2381 > > B.R. Marc > > Le 14/03/11 18:05, Bruce Redwine a ?crit : >> Is there any evidence that suggests LGD had read or was familiar with >> the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951)? I cannot find any in >> the Bowker (1997) or MacNiven (1998) biographies, nor in /The >> Durrell-Miller Letters/ (1988). I doubt that Durrell dabbled in >> Wittgenstein, although how Pursewarden got his first name is an >> interesting question, which is probably just a coincidence. >> Wittgenstein, however, was committed to the idea, in the words of Hans >> Sluga, "that there is no such thing as the self" (see "'Whose house is >> that?': Wittgenstein on the Self" in /The Cambridge Companion to >> Wittgenstein/ [1996], p. 350). This is a big topic in philosophy, and >> the ideas of a "philosophical self" and an "everyday self" are not the >> same. Wittgenstein dealt with the former, Durrell with the latter (I >> tend to believe ? but maybe not). >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110315/594cc6dd/attachment.html From dtart at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 15 12:08:00 2011 From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:08:00 +1100 Subject: [ilds] Wittgenstein In-Reply-To: <4D7F9B2D.6030906@interdesign.fr> References: <6A58310E-3159-4105-A7D2-675D8BB9F1C3@earthlink.net> <4D7F9B2D.6030906@interdesign.fr> Message-ID: according to the philosopher's song 'Wittgenstein was a beery swine who just as sloshed as Slaegel' I have often wondered whether or not this is true?? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Piel" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:00 AM To: Subject: Re: [ilds] Wittgenstein > LGD had a subscription to "La revue Critique". > Critique n? 654 : The whole issue was on > Wittgenstein : nouvelles lectures 2001 > > http://www.leseditionsdeminuit.eu/f/index.php?sp=liv&livre_id=2381 > > B.R. Marc > > Le 14/03/11 18:05, Bruce Redwine a ?crit : >> Is there any evidence that suggests LGD had read or was familiar with >> the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951)? I cannot find any in >> the Bowker (1997) or MacNiven (1998) biographies, nor in /The >> Durrell-Miller Letters/ (1988). I doubt that Durrell dabbled in >> Wittgenstein, although how Pursewarden got his first name is an >> interesting question, which is probably just a coincidence. >> Wittgenstein, however, was committed to the idea, in the words of Hans >> Sluga, "that there is no such thing as the self" (see "'Whose house is >> that?': Wittgenstein on the Self" in /The Cambridge Companion to >> Wittgenstein/ [1996], p. 350). This is a big topic in philosophy, and >> the ideas of a "philosophical self" and an "everyday self" are not the >> same. Wittgenstein dealt with the former, Durrell with the latter (I >> tend to believe ? but maybe not). >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From alfandary at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 12:13:04 2011 From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:13:04 +0200 Subject: [ilds] Durrell, Freud and Justine Message-ID: Hello all, i am currently exploring the way Durrell used a quotation from Freud's letter to Fliess in Justine. i have noticed that the book he was supposed to be quatting from "The Letters of Sigmund Freud" (which is at Carbondale) was only published in 1960 while Justine itself was published earlier. obviously he must have read, or heard , that letter, or part of t, from another source. this is ls indicated by the fact that the quotation is slightly different from the original text which suggests Durrell read the letter in another language, other than English. i know this is a slight matter, but it does raise my curiosity. i wonder if any of you know anything about this, namely, where did Durrell come across that letter. i couldn't find a clue in either biographies. Thanks, Rony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110319/9e68157f/attachment.html From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 18:42:00 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:42:00 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Durrell, Freud and Justine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D855B68.2090309@gmail.com> Hi Rony, I believe the Fliess letters were first published 4 or 5 years (in English translation) prior to /Justine/. I have a note for it at home, so I'll check it this evening. Best, James On 19/03/11 12:13 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote: > Hello all, > i am currently exploring the way Durrell used a quotation from Freud's > letter to Fliess in Justine. i have noticed that the book he was > supposed to be quatting from "The Letters of Sigmund Freud" (which is at > Carbondale) was only published in 1960 while Justine itself was > published earlier. obviously he must have read, or heard , that letter, > or part of t, from another source. this is ls indicated by the fact > that the quotation is slightly different from the original text which > suggests Durrell read the letter in another language, other than English. > i know this is a slight matter, but it does raise my curiosity. i wonder > if any of you know anything about this, namely, where did Durrell come > across that letter. i couldn't find a clue in either biographies. > Thanks, > Rony > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From marcpiel at interdesign.fr Sun Mar 20 07:22:19 2011 From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:22:19 +0100 Subject: [ilds] Durrell, Freud and Justine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D860D9B.7050507@interdesign.fr> Could he have read it in a book published in England in 1954? Here is a link: http://www.livre-rare-book.com/search/current.seam I was surprised that I have not found any reference to an early french edition. It seems that the first unexpurgated version was only published recently. Psychoanalytic electronic publishing (online) http://www.p-e-p.org/ But this is fairly expensive. B.R. Marc Le 19/03/11 20:13, Rony Alfandary a ?crit : > Hello all, > i am currently exploring the way Durrell used a quotation from Freud's > letter to Fliess in Justine. i have noticed that the book he was > supposed to be quatting from "The Letters of Sigmund Freud" (which is at > Carbondale) was only published in 1960 while Justine itself was > published earlier. obviously he must have read, or heard , that letter, > or part of t, from another source. this is ls indicated by the fact > that the quotation is slightly different from the original text which > suggests Durrell read the letter in another language, other than English. > i know this is a slight matter, but it does raise my curiosity. i wonder > if any of you know anything about this, namely, where did Durrell come > across that letter. i couldn't find a clue in either biographies. > Thanks, > Rony > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 09:06:16 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:06:16 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Durrell, Freud and Justine In-Reply-To: <4D855B68.2090309@gmail.com> References: <4D855B68.2090309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D8625F8.3010502@gmail.com> Hi Rony, I think Marc has pointed to the same edition, but I believe Durrell would have used the Basic Books edition from 1954. Charles may have more insights based on his work on the mss. of /Justine/, but I'm not sure. Freud, Sigmund. /The Origins of Psycho-analysis; Letters to Wilhelm Fliess, Drafts and Notes, 1887-1902/. Eds. Marie Bonaparte, Anna Freud, and Ernst Kris. Trans. Eric Mosbacher and James Strachey. New York: Basic Books, 1954. As for the proof in the pudding, well, we know he was reading *some* edition of the Freud-Fliess letters! The 1954 copy isn't held in the remnants of his library in Carbondale (though a 1960 edition of the letters of Freud, also by Basic Books, *is* in his library there, as you've noted). I can't get Nanterre's Biblioth?que Lawrence Durrell to work online today, but I don't believe they have Durrell's copy of the Fliess letters either. A good deal of their collection of Durrell's personal library relates to psychoanalysis. The few other bits & pieces of his library that I've run into in other collections, such as UVic, have all related to psychoanalysis as well. That said, he lost a lot of books... I'd be inclined to check the quoted materials against the 1954 Basic Books edition -- I have a nagging feeling I actually did that during my dissertation work, and it's rendered the same in both versions. I could, however, be wrong or simply dizzy after last night's "super moon." Durrell was also sloppy in his quotations, often moving from a reading to a notebook to a draft, and so on... There are often errors in quotations. Please let the list know what you turn up! Best, James On 19/03/11 6:42 PM, James Gifford wrote: > Hi Rony, > > I believe the Fliess letters were first published 4 or 5 years (in > English translation) prior to /Justine/. I have a note for it at home, > so I'll check it this evening. > > Best, > James > > On 19/03/11 12:13 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote: >> Hello all, >> i am currently exploring the way Durrell used a quotation from Freud's >> letter to Fliess in Justine. i have noticed that the book he was >> supposed to be quatting from "The Letters of Sigmund Freud" (which is at >> Carbondale) was only published in 1960 while Justine itself was >> published earlier. obviously he must have read, or heard , that letter, >> or part of t, from another source. this is ls indicated by the fact >> that the quotation is slightly different from the original text which >> suggests Durrell read the letter in another language, other than English. >> i know this is a slight matter, but it does raise my curiosity. i wonder >> if any of you know anything about this, namely, where did Durrell come >> across that letter. i couldn't find a clue in either biographies. >> Thanks, >> Rony >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From marcpiel at interdesign.fr Sun Mar 20 11:20:03 2011 From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:20:03 +0100 Subject: [ilds] For information... Message-ID: <4D864553.3040104@interdesign.fr> University of Toronto Press is offering "A Smile in His Mind's Eye" with an 80% discount: $19,40 plus postage. B.R. Marc From william.godshalk at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 11:59:03 2011 From: william.godshalk at gmail.com (William Godshalk) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:59:03 -0400 Subject: [ilds] For information... In-Reply-To: <4D864553.3040104@interdesign.fr> References: <4D864553.3040104@interdesign.fr> Message-ID: Very good news. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Marc Piel wrote: > University of Toronto Press is offering "A Smile > in His Mind's Eye" with an 80% discount: $19,40 > plus postage. > B.R. > Marc > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > -- W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * * University of Cincinnati * stellar disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * * godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110320/c5c634ec/attachment.html From alfandary at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 22:33:17 2011 From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:33:17 +0200 Subject: [ilds] thank you Message-ID: Thank you James and Marc, yes, that does explain the date issue. curious that the original 1954 edition was not found but was replaced by Durrell himself, I suppose, by a later edition. He gave it to someone who never returned it? lost on transition? but still, it was clearly important for him to have a copy in his library so he bought a later edition. what is also fascinating is the censorship he exercised in the quotation, omitting the bi-sexuality theme. but that you already know, of course. thanks for your help, Rony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110321/f6fff097/attachment.html From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 23:57:01 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:57:01 -0700 Subject: [ilds] thank you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D86F6BD.7000903@gmail.com> Hi Rony, It's worth noting that many of Durrell's ms./ts. letters at various archives relate to books lent but not returned, in particular books lent to Alf Perl?s (and probably sold by him)... My guess is that LD had the 1954 Freud/Fliess, lent and/or lost it, then reacquired the 1960 prior to the release of the Quartet as a whole. He certainly had it in one form or another, and perhaps one of the English translations will match the epigram (I still think the 1954 does, but I don't have it ready to hand). Durrell's annotated Groddeck volumes had legs too, walking off to all and sundry. I'm quite sure Michael Haag had noted on this listerv that the censorship of the "bisexuality" from the epigram was Faber's work, not Durrell's, and the same occurred for the "modern love," which was originally "bisexual love." Keeping those two points in mind from the epigram and the "investigation of modern love" certainly revises the nature of the Quartet significantly. In the opening pages, Cavafy and Balthazar go looking of the young boys, and then the anonymous Darley and his ungendered and unnamed lover go walking about for several sentences before she is finally revealed as female and subsequently as Melissa. For LD's works, the openness to various forms of sexualities seems to be present from /Pied Piper/ forward, despite the homophobic jokes in /The Black Book/ (there's still a very good deal of privileging some kind of fluidity in sexual identity in that book as well as some intriguing notions of discovering sexuality over time). I think the ideas solidified around notions of subjectivity just after the Quartet, hence the peculiarities about identify in /Revolt/ and later in the /Quintet/. If you dig anything up on the 1954 copy, please let us know. I photocopied it somewhere during my graduate work, but I think it's all in a storage locker now... I'm sure the rest of the list would be interested in whatever you uncover. Best, James On 20/03/11 10:33 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote: > Thank you James and Marc, > yes, that does explain the date issue. curious that the original > 1954 edition was not found but was replaced by Durrell himself, I > suppose, by a later edition. He gave it to someone who never returned > it? lost on transition? but still, it was clearly important for him to > have a copy in his library so he bought a later edition. > what is also fascinating is the censorship he exercised in the > quotation, omitting the bi-sexuality theme. but that you already know, > of course. > thanks for your help, > Rony > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds