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Click Here! This communication and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or privileged. Disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication may be prohibited. Website: http://www.olayan.com Offices: Athens, London, New York, Riyadh, Al-Khobar, Jeddah, Vienna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110224/67c5b025/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 41807 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110224/67c5b025/attachment.gif From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 02:58:22 2011 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 02:58:22 -0800 Subject: [ilds] ILDS Listserv -- keep posting! In-Reply-To: <4D66356D.20507@interdesign.fr> References: <4D66356D.20507@interdesign.fr> Message-ID: <4D6639CE.8070803@gmail.com> Hello everyone, Given our recent weekend rabble (myself included), please note that *all* of the list moderators are in transit for the next few days, so we may have some slow deliveries for your messages... We'll see how well our hotels do for broadband and how well ya'll do for debates! Please forgive any slowness, but rest assured your transmissions will go out. Best, James From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 24 11:10:19 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:10:19 -0800 Subject: [ilds] ILDS Listserv -- keep posting! In-Reply-To: <4D6639CE.8070803@gmail.com> References: <4D66356D.20507@interdesign.fr> <4D6639CE.8070803@gmail.com> Message-ID: James, I assume you, Charles, and Bill are attending a conference on modern lit. (Louisville?) and are participating in a seminar or hosting a wine and cheese party to promote our hero. If so, it might be of general interest to provide news-flashes of your activities. What's the climate out there? Bruce On Feb 24, 2011, at 2:58 AM, James Gifford wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Given our recent weekend rabble (myself included), please note that > *all* of the list moderators are in transit for the next few days, so we > may have some slow deliveries for your messages... We'll see how well > our hotels do for broadband and how well ya'll do for debates! > > Please forgive any slowness, but rest assured your transmissions will go > out. > > Best, > James > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From billyapt at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 09:38:17 2011 From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:38:17 -0600 Subject: [ilds] POSSIBLE CONNECTION? Message-ID: Dear all: Patrick Leigh Fermor's father served the Raj as a geologist and spent most of his adult life in India. After he and Leigh Fermor's mother separated when Leigh Fermor was still a small child, she settled in provincial England with Leigh Fermor and his sister (or sisters). He rarely saw his father again after that. In his writings, Leigh Fermor seems to recall more about his father's stuff - butterfly nets, specimen glasses, geology hammers, jackets, boots - than about his father. Consider this: in *Montolive, *Montolive's father is long absent, having abandoned Montolive as a small child, deciding to stay and spend the remainder of his life in India as a scholar while he and his mother settle in provincial England. What Montolive recalls of his little known father is defined by his belongings - objects of curiosity - at his mother's house. Leigh Fermor and LD were friends, beginning with their acquaintance in Egypt prior to the writing of *the Quartet*. Is it not plausible that Leigh Fermor's experience could likely constitute the basis for Montolive's own paternal experience? BILLY PS: Forgive me if some has already thought of this! Don't forget: I'm an amateur... But since Leigh Fermor is still living, perhaps the question should be put to him? -- WILLIAM APT Attorney at Law 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, Ste 205 Austin TX 78746 512/708-8300 512/708-8011 FAX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110225/6fcb2e6b/attachment.html From Ken.Gammage at directed.com Sat Feb 26 16:53:36 2011 From: Ken.Gammage at directed.com (Ken Gammage) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:53:36 -0800 Subject: [ilds] POSSIBLE CONNECTION? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BEF02A471383D429ADB5873552EF095765D34EA63@mail2.directed.com> According to Wikipedia, Fermor just turned 96 years old ? happy birthday! I have a copy of Paris Review 165 (Spring 2003) with ?A Visit with Patrick Leigh Fermor? by Ben Downing which has this quote on page 201: ?One close bond between us was our shared friendship with Lawrence Durrell. Like Katsimbalis, he had a wonderfully fluent and inventive gift of speech ? never an ?er? or a ?sort of.? The sentences came pouring out as though already composed in detail, and they were always infectiously spirited and original. He seemed to pump new oxygen into the air. He could swim as fast as a dolphin and play any instrument from a grand piano to an ocarina. He knew and loved the Greeks and they loved him.? -- Ken ________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of William Apt [billyapt at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:38 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] POSSIBLE CONNECTION? Dear all: Patrick Leigh Fermor's father served the Raj as a geologist and spent most of his adult life in India. After he and Leigh Fermor's mother separated when Leigh Fermor was still a small child, she settled in provincial England with Leigh Fermor and his sister (or sisters). He rarely saw his father again after that. In his writings, Leigh Fermor seems to recall more about his father's stuff - butterfly nets, specimen glasses, geology hammers, jackets, boots - than about his father. Consider this: in Montolive, Montolive's father is long absent, having abandoned Montolive as a small child, deciding to stay and spend the remainder of his life in India as a scholar while he and his mother settle in provincial England. What Montolive recalls of his little known father is defined by his belongings - objects of curiosity - at his mother's house. Leigh Fermor and LD were friends, beginning with their acquaintance in Egypt prior to the writing of the Quartet. Is it not plausible that Leigh Fermor's experience could likely constitute the basis for Montolive's own paternal experience? BILLY PS: Forgive me if some has already thought of this! Don't forget: I'm an amateur... But since Leigh Fermor is still living, perhaps the question should be put to him? -- WILLIAM APT Attorney at Law 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, Ste 205 Austin TX 78746 512/708-8300 512/708-8011 FAX This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. It is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email or telephone and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110226/8dcdddf3/attachment.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 15:51:22 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:51:22 -0800 Subject: [ilds] POSSIBLE CONNECTION? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Billy, Indeed. Entirely possible ? that P. L. Fermor's father served as a model for Mountolive, Sr. After all, Durrell and Fermor knew one another. Others can comment on whether this connection has already appeared somewhere in print. The deeper connection, however, i.e., why LGD was attracted to this theme of deliberate removal or disappearance, has already been discussed by Charles Sligh in his recent comment on Durrell's handling of "obscurity" or "posthumous" authorship in his writings. I find his discussion true, provocative, and revealing. I'll only add that I believe that Mountolive, Sr.'s exact whereabouts in the subcontinent is vague, intentional vague, I believe. The old scholar is said to be translating Pali/Buddhist manuscripts in some unnamed monastery, and Pali, closely related to Sanskrit, is usually associated with what was then called Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). That's another island, of course, and the importance of islands in Lawrence Durrell's mythology has come up for frequent discussion, most notably by David Green. Bruce On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:38 AM, William Apt wrote: > Dear all: > > Patrick Leigh Fermor's father served the Raj as a geologist and spent most of his adult life in India. After he and Leigh Fermor's mother separated when Leigh Fermor was still a small child, she settled in provincial England with Leigh Fermor and his sister (or sisters). He rarely saw his father again after that. > > In his writings, Leigh Fermor seems to recall more about his father's stuff - butterfly nets, specimen glasses, geology hammers, jackets, boots - than about his father. > > Consider this: in Montolive, Montolive's father is long absent, having abandoned Montolive as a small child, deciding to stay and spend the remainder of his life in India as a scholar while he and his mother settle in provincial England. What Montolive recalls of his little known father is defined by his belongings - objects of curiosity - at his mother's house. > > Leigh Fermor and LD were friends, beginning with their acquaintance in Egypt prior to the writing of the Quartet. Is it not plausible that Leigh Fermor's experience could likely constitute the basis for Montolive's own paternal experience? > > BILLY > > PS: Forgive me if some has already thought of this! Don't forget: I'm an amateur... But since Leigh Fermor is still living, perhaps the question should be put to him? > > > -- > WILLIAM APT > Attorney at Law > 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, > Ste 205 > Austin TX 78746 > 512/708-8300 > 512/708-8011 FAX > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 16:14:17 2011 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:14:17 -0800 Subject: [ilds] POSSIBLE CONNECTION? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was wrong. Mountolive, Sr. resides "in the Buddhist Lodge near Madras" (Mountolive, 1959, p. 97). BR On Feb 26, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Billy, > > Indeed. Entirely possible ? that P. L. Fermor's father served as a model for Mountolive, Sr. After all, Durrell and Fermor knew one another. Others can comment on whether this connection has already appeared somewhere in print. The deeper connection, however, i.e., why LGD was attracted to this theme of deliberate removal or disappearance, has already been discussed by Charles Sligh in his recent comment on Durrell's handling of "obscurity" or "posthumous" authorship in his writings. I find his discussion true, provocative, and revealing. I'll only add that I believe that Mountolive, Sr.'s exact whereabouts in the subcontinent is vague, intentional vague, I believe. The old scholar is said to be translating Pali/Buddhist manuscripts in some unnamed monastery, and Pali, closely related to Sanskrit, is usually associated with what was then called Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). That's another island, of course, and the importance of islands in Lawrence Durrell's mythology has come up for frequent discussion, most notably by David Green. > > > Bruce > > > > On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:38 AM, William Apt wrote: > >> Dear all: >> >> Patrick Leigh Fermor's father served the Raj as a geologist and spent most of his adult life in India. After he and Leigh Fermor's mother separated when Leigh Fermor was still a small child, she settled in provincial England with Leigh Fermor and his sister (or sisters). He rarely saw his father again after that. >> >> In his writings, Leigh Fermor seems to recall more about his father's stuff - butterfly nets, specimen glasses, geology hammers, jackets, boots - than about his father. >> >> Consider this: in Montolive, Montolive's father is long absent, having abandoned Montolive as a small child, deciding to stay and spend the remainder of his life in India as a scholar while he and his mother settle in provincial England. What Montolive recalls of his little known father is defined by his belongings - objects of curiosity - at his mother's house. >> >> Leigh Fermor and LD were friends, beginning with their acquaintance in Egypt prior to the writing of the Quartet. Is it not plausible that Leigh Fermor's experience could likely constitute the basis for Montolive's own paternal experience? >> >> BILLY >> >> PS: Forgive me if some has already thought of this! Don't forget: I'm an amateur... But since Leigh Fermor is still living, perhaps the question should be put to him? >> >> >> -- >> WILLIAM APT >> Attorney at Law >> 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, >> Ste 205 >> Austin TX 78746 >> 512/708-8300 >> 512/708-8011 FAX >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110226/0e8293d2/attachment.html From william.godshalk at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 17:42:18 2011 From: william.godshalk at gmail.com (William Godshalk) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:42:18 -0500 Subject: [ilds] ILDS Listserv -- keep posting! In-Reply-To: References: <4D66356D.20507@interdesign.fr> <4D6639CE.8070803@gmail.com> Message-ID: A leak? I have heard that tentative plans may have been made for the next international meeting of the ILDS? Is this true? On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > James, > > I assume you, Charles, and Bill are attending a conference on modern lit. > (Louisville?) and are participating in a seminar or hosting a wine and > cheese party to promote our hero. If so, it might be of general interest to > provide news-flashes of your activities. What's the climate out there? > > > Bruce > > > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 2:58 AM, James Gifford wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Given our recent weekend rabble (myself included), please note that > > *all* of the list moderators are in transit for the next few days, so we > > may have some slow deliveries for your messages... We'll see how well > > our hotels do for broadband and how well ya'll do for debates! > > > > Please forgive any slowness, but rest assured your transmissions will go > > out. > > > > Best, > > James > > _______________________________________________ > > ILDS mailing list > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > -- W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * * University of Cincinnati * stellar disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * * godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110226/bd7c895e/attachment.html From alfandary at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 20:39:42 2011 From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 06:39:42 +0200 Subject: [ilds] Possible Connection? Message-ID: hi, Sound like a very plausible interpretation. i can only add that I would suspect that Durrell's decision to portray Mountolive a an abandoned child is based upon his own experience, having been "abandoned" twice (at least) by his father - once when being sent to England and the second time when his father died. Rony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20110228/7ddd964f/attachment.html