[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 46, Issue 13

Lee Sternthal lalexsternthal at gmail.com
Sun Jan 30 14:40:43 PST 2011


will Alexandria become more secular again, never to return to Durrell's
Cosmpopolitan city, but perhaps a step back in that direction?  that would
be a dream.  i'm afraid not, though.  i'm afraid of who will fill the
ensuing power vacuum should the present regime fall.  i imagine Durrell
would have questions (and fears) about this as well.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Peters, John U <john.u.peters at csun.edu>wrote:

> The unfolding revolution in Egypt raises any number of questions,  not
> least of which is this:  What would L.D. make of it all?  Or would he even
> try?  Any thoughts?  JP
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>   1. The Dark Labyrinth (Bruce Redwine)
>   2. Revolt of Aphrodite (James Gifford)
>   3. OMG 17 - London (James Gifford)
>   4. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (Denise Tart & David Green)
>   5. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (James Gifford)
>   6. Names (Bruce Redwine)
>   7. Re: Names (James Gifford)
>   8. Re: Names (Bruce Redwine)
>   9. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (Anne R Zahlan)
>  10. online bibliography (James Gifford)
>  11. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (Bruce Redwine)
>  12. Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th (James Gifford)
>  13. MacNiven Bio (William Apt)
>  14. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (gkoger at mindspring.com)
>  15. Re: Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th (Bruce Redwine)
>  16. Re: Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th (James Gifford)
>  17. Re: MacNiven Bio (Denise Tart & David Green)
>  18. Re: MacNiven Bio (James Gifford)
>  19. Re: MacNiven Bio (Denise Tart & David Green)
>  20. the longer response to Bruce (James Gifford)
>  21. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (James Gifford)
>  22. Re: MacNiven Bio (Bruce Redwine)
>  23. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (Bruce Redwine)
>  24. Re: MacNiven Bio (Bruce Redwine)
>  25. Re: Names (Richard Pine)
>  26. Re: Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th (Richard Pine)
>  27. Re: Names (Bruce Redwine)
>  28. Re: Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th (Bruce Redwine)
>  29. the purse (James Gifford)
>  30. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (gkoger at mindspring.com)
>  31. Re: What has happened to the ilds list (James Gifford)
>  32. Re: the purse (Bruce Redwine)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:55:05 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [ilds] The Dark Labyrinth
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> Meta,
>
> Thanks for picking up on this important topic/novel.  Re Durrell's choice
> of personal names in The Dark Labyrinth, the first consideration is that he
> himself called the novel an "extended morality" (Durrell-Miller Letters,
> 1962, 1963, p. 201), i.e., an allegory.  And allegories, as you know,
> personify ideas.  The big examples of that form, in English, are Spenser's
> Faerie Queene and Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress.  These are both Renaissance
> works, early and late, so once again we have Durrell harkening back to the
> great period of English lit.  In this regard, the novel's most interesting
> character, Campion, is also the name of a Renaissance medical doctor and
> poet, Thomas Campion (1567-1620).  Durrell's usage of names fits the
> allegorical tradition.  He also does this, however, elsewhere in his
> fiction, and I'd venture to say that the names of Durrell's characters most
> always mean something special  They are rarely, if ever, arbitrary.  It's
> useful to recall that Durrell himse!
>  lf considered going into the medical profession and instead became a poet.
>  Thus, Campion is a good alter ego for the author himself.
>
> I agree that the "Roof of the World" chapter in The Dark Labyrinth is one
> of the best Durrell ever wrote.  He pulls it off, writing about a Utopian
> place, and succeeds where James Hilton in Lost Horizon does not succeed in
> describing his Shangri-La.  Hilton's Utopia is mawkish, Durrell's is not.
>  Of course, Durrell's mountaintop realm is very Romantic, but the irony is
> Romantic too, the sad self-consciousness that forces the narrator to
> conclude, "The roof of the world did not really exist, except in their own
> imaginations."  That statement echoes again and again throughout Durrell's
> oeuvre.  It reminds me that repetitive "Boum" in Forster's Marabar caves.
>
> Much remains to be talked about in this extraordinary novel.  On a personal
> note, when I first read it in 1962, I recall that when Fearmax meets his
> fate in the labyrinth, at the end of "In the Darkness," I was terrified.
>  Durrell can tell a good horror story.  Durrell's terror, however, later
> turns into a kind of Romantic Irony.
>
> Best wishes on your translation into Slovenian.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:58 AM, Meta Cerar wrote:
>
> > Actually there are more ?18th century? names in the Dark Labyrinth, like
> TRUMAN for example. What an appropriate name for someone who ends up on the
> Roof of the World, which I agree is one of the most magnificent chapters in
> Durrell's entire opus, as one of the list members wrote recently.
> >
> > If anyone on the list knows of an article concerning the Cefalu or Dark
> Labyrinth  names, I would be greatly interested. I am currently translating
> Dark Labyrinth into Slovenian ? to be published at the 100th anniversary of
> his birth (February 2012) ? and would love to include this symbolism into
> the preface of the book.
> >
> > I would also be grateful for any information on reviews or articles on
> this particular book, which I greatly enjoy working on although L.D.
> dismissed it as a potboiler. I think there was an article in Deus Loci about
> Otto Rank's influence on D.L. If anyone happens to be familiar with it,
> please let me know if it's worth reading.
> >
> > BTW, I loved the photos from Bellapais. What a great location for a
> future Durrell conference! I followed the Durrell trail throughout the
> Meditterranean but haven't been to Cyprus yet. The Villa Cleobolus and the
> ?Tree of idleness? in the old moslem graveyard in Rhodes are sadly neglected
> to my great disappointment.
> >
> > Looking forward to further commentaries on Dark Labyrinth,
> >
> > Meta Cerar,
> > Slovenia
> >
> > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On
> Behalf Of Bruce Redwine
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:43 PM
> > To: Denise Tart & David Green; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >
> > Someone undoubtedly already has published an article on names in Cefalu,
> indeed throughout Durrell's fiction.  My guess is that LD sometimes chose
> them as Shakespeare did his low-life characters:   Mistress Quickly, Doll
> Tearsheet, Pistol, etc.  People are their names.  Doesn't Fearmax die of
> fright?
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:59 AM, "Denise Tart & David Green" <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> I especially recommend the early chapter in Tunc describing Caradoc's
> drunken speech in front of the Parthenon. Grove
> >>
> >> It is probably fitting that I make a detailed literary analysis of
> Caradoc's speech - already seeing Durrell's juxtaposition of northern Celtic
> Caradoc and the  souther classical Parthenon.
> >>
> >> btw, has anyone studied Durrell's names? I was very intrigued by them
> when reading Dark Labyrinth recently; Fearmax, Graecen - there something
> 18th century about it.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
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> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ilds] Revolt of Aphrodite
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> I agree that /Revolt/ is much overlooked, and I see it as remarkably
> contemporary today.  As for scoffing at Durrell's "middlebrow" works,
> there's been a steady stream of critical work done -- I don't think any
> of the academics scoff.  Instead, I think they're often just more
> difficult to get (they've been in & out of print and often appeared
> first through small presses rather than Faber), and they haven't had the
> same spotlight as his major books.
>
> As for filthy lucre, I could see that for /White Eagles/ (though still
> an interesting work), but /Cefalu/ first appeared through the Poetry
> London imprint, which certainly wouldn't have earned Durrell a great
> deal, especially with Tambimuttu at the helm...
>
> Jan Morris had high praise for /Sicilian Carousel/ as well:
>
> Morris, Jan. "Durrell - on a Tourist Bus?" /Encounter/ 49.3 (September
> 1977): 77-79.
>
> The discussion of art in /Cefalu/ is fascinating as well, at least as a
> revelation of Durrell's interests and readings.
>
> Best,
> James
>
> On 27/01/11 10:47 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> > Reading /Aphrodite's Revolt,/ or periphrasis of same, is a good idea.
> > Long overdue, for me, anyway. Think I'll take Grove up on this. Ken's
> > comment about the Greek island books (which I'd expand to include Sicily
> > and the Tyrrhenian Sea) bears serious consideration. David Green
> > deserves full credit for turning our eyes to the islands ("no tongue:
> > all eyes: be silent"). Undoubtedly, Durrell's "potboilers" were done for
> > "filthy lucre," but I find them most interesting and provocative.
> > Durrell, for all his protean productivity, was probably one of Isaiah
> > Berlin's "hedgehogs," more of a possessed Dostoevsky than a foxy
> > Tolstoy. That's to say, he was a man of just a few obsessions (and
> > demons), and these got continually reworked and replayed throughout his
> > /oeuvre/. So, I find it instructive to uncover these themes and tropes
> > in his self-acknowledged "minor" works. E.g., /The Dark Labyrinth, White
> > Eagles over Serbia,/ and /Sicilian Carousel./ I sense these are often
> > scoffed at, but I think this view mistaken ? highbrow priggishness. To
> > emphasize what I said before, authors don't always know what they doing,
> > and whether Durrell knew it or not, his potboilers seem to me as
> > revealing (and probably at least as enjoyable) as his "serious" work
> > intended "for all time."
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 27, 2011, at 6:57 AM, gkoger at mindspring.com
> > <mailto:gkoger at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've enjoyed the responses to David's post, but in my case my silence
> >> simply means that I'm busy and haven't had much to say. There are a
> >> couple of items about Norman Douglas and Patrick Leigh Fermor that
> >> I'll pass on as soon as I can put a few coherent paragraphs together,
> >> but in the meantime I'll second Ken's positive comment about The Greek
> >> Islands. And for those who haven't read Tunc and Nunquam, get busy!
> >> They're the most consistently underrated of Durrell's novels and
> >> deserve more attention. I'm not qualified to undertake a
> >> chapter-by-chapter analysis of them, but perhaps someone else could
> >> this summer. I especially recommend the early chapter in Tunc
> >> describing Caradoc's drunken speech in front of the Parthenon. Grove
> >>
> >>
> >>     -----Original Message-----
> >>     From: Ken Gammage
> >>     Sent: Jan 25, 2011 5:29 PM
> >>     To: Denise Tart & David Green, "ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> >>     <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>"
> >>     Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >>
> >>     Very good David. A provocative post that should wake up the
> >>     listserv! However, I?m not sure how well your example supports
> >>     your argument. Rony sent a second post about Otto Rank that
> >>     resulted in detailed and I?m sure very helpful responses from
> >>     Charles Sligh and James Gifford. I have been a flagrant lurker for
> >>     the past several years, enjoying the insightful and often
> >>     beautiful writing by many thoughtful posters about Durrell, often
> >>     responding directly and privately to the poster without
> >>     necessarily having the courage to publicly offer my own sometimes
> >>     contrary opinions (e.g. pro-The Greek Islands, where others find
> >>     this coffee table book motivated strictly by lucre.)
> >>     You see ? that?s why I seldom post. I can almost sense the
> >>     artillery cranking into place, preparing a fusillade of
> >>     disparagement at my poor taste in Island books! (I still like
> >>     Prospero the best.) Please see my kind words about Durrell on the
> >>     last page of my Italy website:www.travelogorrhea.com
> >>     <http://www.travelogorrhea.com>
> >>     Viva Durrell!
> >>     Kennedy Gammage
> >>     ken.gammage at directed.com <mailto:ken.gammage at directed.com>
> >>     *From:*ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca
> >>     <mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca>[mailto:
> ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca]*On
> >>     Behalf Of*Denise Tart & David Green
> >>     *Sent:*Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:30 PM
> >>     *To:*Durrel;DURRELL at LISTSERV.CC.UCF.EDU<Durrel%3BDURRELL at LISTSERV.CC.UCF.EDU>
> >>     <mailto:DURRELL at LISTSERV.CC.UCF.EDU>
> >>     *Subject:*[ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >>
> >>     It has come to my notice and the notice of one or two other
> >>     contributors to this list that things have gone rather quiet in
> >>     Durrell land over the last few weeks, months even, leaving me to
> >>     ponder whatever happened to the lively debates and discussions of
> >>     Durrell and his works?
> >>
> >>     There seems to be no interest in keeping any kind of serious
> >>     discussion going. Some large and well researched postings by me
> >>     and some others, intended to stimulate discussion have disappeared
> >>     without a trace. The general run of recent postings, few and far
> >>     between, appear restricted to scholarly minutia or references to
> >>     academic journals.
> >>     There was almost no response to young Israeli student, Rony
> >>     Alfandary, who appeared to be seeking some encouragement so that
> >>     she can do her bit to promote LD in the world of scholarship.
> >>     Unless some communication occurred off line, Bruce Redwine was the
> >>     only member to publicly respond.
> >>     Has there been a shift in policy re the ILDS List-Serve. Is it no
> >>     longer a forum for discussion, since that can lead to controversy
> >>     about M. Durrell's reputation? Currently there appears to be an
> >>     aloofness on the part of certain contributors and a disinterest in
> >>     endorsing anything substantive. Is the List now a place for the
> >>     cognoscenti to say nice things to one another or merely to refer
> >>     to items of Durrell scholarship, worthy as these things is in
> >>     their own right?
> >>     Where are all the so called lurkers? Where are all the people who
> >>     used to pitch in have a say? Is the horse suffering from a
> >>     terminal illness or is it just tired and resting up, unwilling at
> >>     the moment to enter the forum of fiery debate about the life and
> >>     works of the Hero of Kalamni, Bellapaix, Alexandria etc etc?
> >>     Whatever happened to the spirit of L. Pursewarden, who wrote,
> >>     "Protestant purely in the sense that I protest!"
> >>     Yours, somewhat puzzled,
> >>     David Green
> >>     16 William Street
> >>     Marrickville NSW 2204
> >>     Australia
> >>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:35:52 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ilds] OMG 17 - London
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> I should add, I typed in "15" by accident, thinking back to the Paris
> conference.  (head hung in shame).  London will be the 17th On Miracle
> Ground, offering us a lucky prime number (and a Fermat Prime at that!).
>
> Please create a substantial buzz in anticipation of the formal
> announcements!
>
> Best,
> James
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 07:21:09 +1100
> From: "Denise Tart & David Green" <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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> Meta,
>
> thanks for news about the Villa Cleobolus, sad though it is. I have been
> able to find Larry's other houses on Google Earth, but not the one in
> Rhodes. insidently, a Greek friend of mine reckons that Rhodes is the most
> beautiful island in the world which certainly comes through in the Marine
> Venus.
>
> To the names in Dark Labyrinth, yes the names imply the characters
>
> Graecen - the graceful and mannered lord.
> Campion - Champion, the hero of the piece - the shit stirring artist rebel
> type
> Fearmax - the enigmatic, withdrawn magician (maximum fear)
> The Truman's - true, honest ordinary people who achieve a mountain utopia
> (Durrell's hearkening back to his Indian Himalayan experiences)
>
> etc etc
>
> we recall in 18th century  English Lit characters like Squire Booby (a
> booby being an ignorant boor) or squire Weston, he from the west country, a
> land of rowdy, drunken cider drinkers, the lord be good to them.
>
> I also wonder about Quartet characters - Pursewarden for example (money
> guard) or Mountolive - who was Olive???
>
> David Green
> Terra Australis Incognito
>
>
> From: Meta Cerar
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
>
>
> Actually there are more ?18th century? names in the Dark Labyrinth, like
> TRUMAN for example. What an appropriate name for someone who ends up on the
> Roof of the World, which I agree is one of the most magnificent chapters in
> Durrell's entire opus, as one of the list members wrote recently.
>
>
>
> If anyone on the list knows of an article concerning the Cefalu or Dark
> Labyrinth  names, I would be greatly interested. I am currently translating
> Dark Labyrinth into Slovenian - to be published at the 100th anniversary of
> his birth (February 2012) - and would love to include this symbolism into
> the preface of the book.
>
>
>
> I would also be grateful for any information on reviews or articles on this
> particular book, which I greatly enjoy working on although L.D. dismissed it
> as a potboiler. I think there was an article in Deus Loci about Otto Rank's
> influence on D.L. If anyone happens to be familiar with it, please let me
> know if it's worth reading.
>
>
>
> BTW, I loved the photos from Bellapais. What a great location for a future
> Durrell conference! I followed the Durrell trail throughout the
> Meditterranean but haven't been to Cyprus yet. The Villa Cleobolus and the
> ?Tree of idleness? in the old moslem graveyard in Rhodes are sadly neglected
> to my great disappointment.
>
>
>
> Looking forward to further commentaries on Dark Labyrinth,
>
>
>
> Meta Cerar,
>
> Slovenia
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On
> Behalf Of Bruce Redwine
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:43 PM
> To: Denise Tart & David Green; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
>
>
>
> Someone undoubtedly already has published an article on names in Cefalu,
> indeed throughout Durrell's fiction.  My guess is that LD sometimes chose
> them as Shakespeare did his low-life characters:   Mistress Quickly, Doll
> Tearsheet, Pistol, etc.  People are their names.  Doesn't Fearmax die of
> fright?
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:59 AM, "Denise Tart & David Green" <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>  I especially recommend the early chapter in Tunc describing Caradoc's
> drunken speech in front of the Parthenon. Grove
>
>  It is probably fitting that I make a detailed literary analysis of
> Caradoc's speech - already seeing Durrell's juxtaposition of northern Celtic
> Caradoc and the  souther classical Parthenon.
>
>
>
>  btw, has anyone studied Durrell's names? I was very intrigued by them when
> reading Dark Labyrinth recently; Fearmax, Graecen - there something 18th
> century about it.
>
>
>
>  David
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:21:01 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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> On 27/01/11 6:57 AM, gkoger at mindspring.com wrote:
> > And for those who haven't read Tunc and Nunquam, get busy! They're the
> > most consistently underrated of Durrell's novels and deserve more
> > attention. I'm not qualified to undertake a chapter-by-chapter analysis
> > of them, but perhaps someone else could this summer.
>
> Do I sense another reading group coming on?  I'd enjoy that, and Tunc
> and Nunquam have been favourites of mine.  Great suggestion, Grove!
> Let's plan for it this summer.
>
> I'm of the (perhaps heretical) opinion that these are more political
> works than they let on, and that they show much about Durrell's 1930s
> and 40s activities that can otherwise be overlooked.
>
> Caradoc's speech is grand, but I'm always struck by the inexplicable
> ending to /Nunquam/...  I can't help but think of Durrell's publications
> in the anarchist press (NOW, New Road, Experimental Review, the New
> Apocalypse books, and so forth) and the ease with which an
> antiauthoritarian interpretation of his poetics can be made.  Add to
> that mix the language of /Nunquam/'s last two pages 282-283 (law,
> authority, command, contractual obligation, and the fall of the state):
>
> "which satisfied the law."
>
> "the prophecy of Zeno has been occupying me, preoccupying me very much.
>  Indeed I now feel it less as a prophecy than as a sort of command,
> from myself to myself"
>
> "People will be afraid to take advantage of the fact that they have no
> contractual obligations."
>
> "we have been dancing, dancing in complete happiness and accord.... even
> though Rome burns."
>
> I may be just spotting things I'm looking for in other 1930s writers at
> the moment (Duncan, Rexroth, Miller, Leite, Woodcock, and others who are
> explicit about their anarchism and its influence on their style), but I
> can't help but see /The Revolt of Aphrodite/ through a perspective that
> asks about its implicit critique of corporatism and coercion in those
> terms.  Certainly Durrell's vision isn't like Palahniuk's /Fight Club/,
> but there's something kindred.  The state (Rome) falls, contracts end,
> law is obscured, yet the folks are in peace and accord, relying instead
> on their word and sociability.
>
> The "Tunc aut Nunquam" moment is also cast in unusual terms for Durrell:
>
> "Either everything will disintegrate, the Firm will begin to dissolve;
> or else nothing, Mr. Felix, absolutely nothing."
>
> The Zeno prophecy first appears on pages 231-2, and this Zeno is a Greek
> clerk who has visions (his vision is of the novel's ending and the
> destruction of coercion and obligation).  However, I can't help but take
> the reference to Zeno (and can a Classicist on here correct me?!
> Bruce?) as potentially a gesture to Kropotkin's entry in the
> Encyclopaedia Britannics's 11th edition (same entry for Durrell's 14th
> edition?  I know the 14th was based on the 11th edition):
>
> "The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno
> [...] who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community without
> government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence
> of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the
> sovereignty of the moral law of the individual -- remarking already
> that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to
> egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with
> another instinct -- that of sociability. When men are reasonable enough
> to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the frontiers
> and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or
> police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money --
> free gifts taking the place of the exchanges."
>
> I think Plutarch describes Zeno failing to kill the tyrant Demylus so
> that "with his own teeth bit off his tongue, he spit it in the tyrant?s
> face."
>
> I'm retracing some poetic networks that ran contrary to the Auden
> Generation, and most have an anarchist politics, so I may just have this
> in my head at the moment.  Still, it seems like some anti-state or
> antiauthoritarian sentiments (which isn't so far from Durrell's open
> poetics) are present here.
>
> At any rate, those are the things that have been occupying my mind
> lately with /The Revolt of Aphrodite/...  What say y'all?
>
> Best,
> James
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:20:13 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [ilds] Names
> To: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>,
>        ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Message-ID: <2CCF2ABD-232B-4EA8-A0AF-A6C0DCD258F9 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Pursewarden.  Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that Ludwig's
> surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum.  Or maybe I just have a dirty
> mind.  Bill Godshalk can confirm this, either way.  The OED, however, cites
> "scrotum" as a Renaissance meaning of purse.  Cf. Iago's "Who steals my
> purse steals trash," where "purse," given Iago's lewd mind, probably refers
> to more than coins.
>
> Mountolive.  New Testament "Mount of Olives," associated with Christ's
> Passion and possibly the Garden of Gethsemane?  Not clear how this applies
> to Sir David, unless you want to argue that in the Quartet the ambassador
> has his own Passion or passions to deal with.  This may be Durrell being
> whimsical and irreverent.  Still, a good name.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>
> > Meta,
> >
> > thanks for news about the Villa Cleobolus, sad though it is. I have been
> able to find Larry's other houses on Google Earth, but not the one in
> Rhodes. insidently, a Greek friend of mine reckons that Rhodes is the most
> beautiful island in the world which certainly comes through in the Marine
> Venus.
> >
> > To the names in Dark Labyrinth, yes the names imply the characters
> >
> > Graecen - the graceful and mannered lord.
> > Campion - Champion, the hero of the piece - the shit stirring artist
> rebel type
> > Fearmax - the enigmatic, withdrawn magician (maximum fear)
> > The Truman's - true, honest ordinary people who achieve a mountain utopia
> (Durrell's hearkening back to his Indian Himalayan experiences)
> >
> > etc etc
> >
> > we recall in 18th century  English Lit characters like Squire Booby (a
> booby being an ignorant boor) or squire Weston, he from the west country, a
> land of rowdy, drunken cider drinkers, the lord be good to them.
> >
> > I also wonder about Quartet characters - Pursewarden for example (money
> guard) or Mountolive - who was Olive???
> >
> > David Green
> > Terra Australis Incognito
> >
> > From: Meta Cerar
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >
> > Actually there are more ?18th century? names in the Dark Labyrinth, like
> TRUMAN for example. What an appropriate name for someone who ends up on the
> Roof of the World, which I agree is one of the most magnificent chapters in
> Durrell's entire opus, as one of the list members wrote recently.
> >
> > If anyone on the list knows of an article concerning the Cefalu or Dark
> Labyrinth  names, I would be greatly interested. I am currently translating
> Dark Labyrinth into Slovenian ? to be published at the 100th anniversary of
> his birth (February 2012) ? and would love to include this symbolism into
> the preface of the book.
> >
> > I would also be grateful for any information on reviews or articles on
> this particular book, which I greatly enjoy working on although L.D.
> dismissed it as a potboiler. I think there was an article in Deus Loci about
> Otto Rank's influence on D.L. If anyone happens to be familiar with it,
> please let me know if it's worth reading.
> >
> > BTW, I loved the photos from Bellapais. What a great location for a
> future Durrell conference! I followed the Durrell trail throughout the
> Meditterranean but haven't been to Cyprus yet. The Villa Cleobolus and the
> ?Tree of idleness? in the old moslem graveyard in Rhodes are sadly neglected
> to my great disappointment.
> >
> > Looking forward to further commentaries on Dark Labyrinth,
> >
> > Meta Cerar,
> > Slovenia
> >
> > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On
> Behalf Of Bruce Redwine
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:43 PM
> > To: Denise Tart & David Green; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >
> > Someone undoubtedly already has published an article on names in Cefalu,
> indeed throughout Durrell's fiction.  My guess is that LD sometimes chose
> them as Shakespeare did his low-life characters:   Mistress Quickly, Doll
> Tearsheet, Pistol, etc.  People are their names.  Doesn't Fearmax die of
> fright?
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:59 AM, "Denise Tart & David Green" <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> I especially recommend the early chapter in Tunc describing Caradoc's
> drunken speech in front of the Parthenon. Grove
> >>
> >> It is probably fitting that I make a detailed literary analysis of
> Caradoc's speech - already seeing Durrell's juxtaposition of northern Celtic
> Caradoc and the  souther classical Parthenon.
> >>
> >> btw, has anyone studied Durrell's names? I was very intrigued by them
> when reading Dark Labyrinth recently; Fearmax, Graecen - there something
> 18th century about it.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:26:53 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Names
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, Durrell uses the "purse/scrotum" idea himself when
> talking about Wilde and Shakespeare.  It's not in his UNESCO talks, but
> I can't recall where...
>
> Best,
> James
>
> On 28/01/11 1:20 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> > *Pursewarden.* Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that
> > Ludwig's surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum. Or maybe I just
> > have a dirty mind. Bill Godshalk can confirm this, either way. The OED,
> > however, cites "scrotum" as a Renaissance meaning of purse. Cf. Iago's
> > "Who steals my purse steals trash," where "purse," given Iago's lewd
> > mind, probably refers to more than coins.
> >
> > *Mountolive.* New Testament "Mount of Olives," associated with Christ's
> > Passion and possibly the Garden of Gethsemane? Not clear how this
> > applies to Sir David, unless you want to argue that in the /Quartet/ the
> > ambassador has his own Passion or passions to deal with. This may be
> > Durrell being whimsical and irreverent. Still, a good name.
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
> >
> >> Meta,
> >> thanks for news about the Villa Cleobolus, sad though it is. I have
> >> been able to find Larry's other houses on Google Earth, but not the
> >> one in Rhodes. insidently, a Greek friend of mine reckons that Rhodes
> >> is the most beautiful island in the world which certainly comes
> >> through in the Marine Venus.
> >> To the names in Dark Labyrinth, yes the names imply the characters
> >> Graecen - the graceful and mannered lord.
> >> Campion - Champion, the hero of the piece - the shit stirring artist
> >> rebel type
> >> Fearmax - the enigmatic, withdrawn magician (maximum fear)
> >> The Truman's - true, honest ordinary people who achieve a mountain
> >> utopia (Durrell's hearkening back to his Indian Himalayan experiences)
> >> etc etc
> >> we recall in 18th century English Lit characters like Squire Booby (a
> >> booby being an ignorant boor) or squire Weston, he from the west
> >> country, a land of rowdy, drunken cider drinkers, the lord be good to
> >> them.
> >> I also wonder about Quartet characters - Pursewarden for example
> >> (money guard) or Mountolive - who was Olive???
> >> David Green
> >> Terra Australis Incognito
> >>
> >> *From:*Meta Cerar <mailto:meta.cerar at guest.arnes.si>
> >> *Sent:*Friday, January 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> >> *To:*ilds at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> >> *Subject:*Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >>
> >> Actually there are more ?18th century? names in the Dark Labyrinth,
> >> like TRUMAN for example. What an appropriate name for someone who ends
> >> up on the Roof of the World, which I agree is one of the most
> >> magnificent chapters in Durrell's entire opus, as one of the list
> >> members wrote recently.
> >> If anyone on the list knows of an article concerning the Cefalu or
> >> Dark Labyrinth names, I would be greatly interested. I am currently
> >> translating Dark Labyrinth into Slovenian ? to be published at the
> >> 100th anniversary of his birth (February 2012) ? and would love to
> >> include this symbolism into the preface of the book.
> >> I would also be grateful for any information on reviews or articles on
> >> this particular book, which I greatly enjoy working on although L.D.
> >> dismissed it as a potboiler. I think there was an article in Deus Loci
> >> about Otto Rank's influence on D.L. If anyone happens to be familiar
> >> with it, please let me know if it's worth reading.
> >> BTW, I loved the photos from Bellapais. What a great location for a
> >> future Durrell conference! I followed the Durrell trail throughout the
> >> Meditterranean but haven't been to Cyprus yet. The Villa Cleobolus and
> >> the ?Tree of idleness? in the old moslem graveyard in Rhodes are sadly
> >> neglected to my great disappointment.
> >> Looking forward to further commentaries on Dark Labyrinth,
> >> Meta Cerar,
> >> Slovenia
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:*ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca
> >> <mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca>[mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca
> ]*On
> >> Behalf Of*Bruce Redwine
> >> *Sent:*Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:43 PM
> >> *To:*Denise Tart & David Green;ilds at lists.uvic.ca<Green%3Bilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> >> <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> >> *Subject:*Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >> Someone undoubtedly already has published an article on names in
> >> Cefalu, indeed throughout Durrell's fiction. My guess is that LD
> >> sometimes chose them as Shakespeare did his low-life characters:
> >> Mistress Quickly, Doll Tearsheet, Pistol, etc. People are their names.
> >> Doesn't Fearmax die of fright?
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:59 AM, "Denise Tart & David Green"
> >> <dtart at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dtart at bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I especially recommend the early chapter in Tunc describing Caradoc's
> >>> drunken speech in front of the Parthenon. Grove
> >>>
> >>> It is probably fitting that I make a detailed literary analysis of
> >>> Caradoc's speech - already seeing Durrell's juxtaposition of northern
> >>> Celtic Caradoc and the souther classical Parthenon.
> >>> btw, has anyone studied Durrell's names? I was very intrigued by them
> >>> when reading Dark Labyrinth recently; Fearmax, Graecen - there
> >>> something 18th century about it.
> >>> David
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILDS mailing list
> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:33:50 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Names
> To: gifford at fdu.edu, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Message-ID: <19F230A3-2799-4CC4-B1FA-A16EBB742E4B at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Thanks.  That confirms the linkage.  It's amazing how saturated Durrell was
> in Renaissance English.  He probably dreamed in blank verse.
>
>
> BR
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:26 PM, James Gifford wrote:
>
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > Unless I'm mistaken, Durrell uses the "purse/scrotum" idea himself when
> > talking about Wilde and Shakespeare.  It's not in his UNESCO talks, but
> > I can't recall where...
> >
> > Best,
> > James
> >
> > On 28/01/11 1:20 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> >> *Pursewarden.* Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that
> >> Ludwig's surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum. Or maybe I just
> >> have a dirty mind. Bill Godshalk can confirm this, either way. The OED,
> >> however, cites "scrotum" as a Renaissance meaning of purse. Cf. Iago's
> >> "Who steals my purse steals trash," where "purse," given Iago's lewd
> >> mind, probably refers to more than coins.
> >>
> >> *Mountolive.* New Testament "Mount of Olives," associated with Christ's
> >> Passion and possibly the Garden of Gethsemane? Not clear how this
> >> applies to Sir David, unless you want to argue that in the /Quartet/ the
> >> ambassador has his own Passion or passions to deal with. This may be
> >> Durrell being whimsical and irreverent. Still, a good name.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
> >>
> >>> Meta,
> >>> thanks for news about the Villa Cleobolus, sad though it is. I have
> >>> been able to find Larry's other houses on Google Earth, but not the
> >>> one in Rhodes. insidently, a Greek friend of mine reckons that Rhodes
> >>> is the most beautiful island in the world which certainly comes
> >>> through in the Marine Venus.
> >>> To the names in Dark Labyrinth, yes the names imply the characters
> >>> Graecen - the graceful and mannered lord.
> >>> Campion - Champion, the hero of the piece - the shit stirring artist
> >>> rebel type
> >>> Fearmax - the enigmatic, withdrawn magician (maximum fear)
> >>> The Truman's - true, honest ordinary people who achieve a mountain
> >>> utopia (Durrell's hearkening back to his Indian Himalayan experiences)
> >>> etc etc
> >>> we recall in 18th century English Lit characters like Squire Booby (a
> >>> booby being an ignorant boor) or squire Weston, he from the west
> >>> country, a land of rowdy, drunken cider drinkers, the lord be good to
> >>> them.
> >>> I also wonder about Quartet characters - Pursewarden for example
> >>> (money guard) or Mountolive - who was Olive???
> >>> David Green
> >>> Terra Australis Incognito
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Meta Cerar <mailto:meta.cerar at guest.arnes.si>
> >>> *Sent:*Friday, January 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> >>> *To:*ilds at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> >>> *Subject:*Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >>>
> >>> Actually there are more ?18th century? names in the Dark Labyrinth,
> >>> like TRUMAN for example. What an appropriate name for someone who ends
> >>> up on the Roof of the World, which I agree is one of the most
> >>> magnificent chapters in Durrell's entire opus, as one of the list
> >>> members wrote recently.
> >>> If anyone on the list knows of an article concerning the Cefalu or
> >>> Dark Labyrinth names, I would be greatly interested. I am currently
> >>> translating Dark Labyrinth into Slovenian ? to be published at the
> >>> 100th anniversary of his birth (February 2012) ? and would love to
> >>> include this symbolism into the preface of the book.
> >>> I would also be grateful for any information on reviews or articles on
> >>> this particular book, which I greatly enjoy working on although L.D.
> >>> dismissed it as a potboiler. I think there was an article in Deus Loci
> >>> about Otto Rank's influence on D.L. If anyone happens to be familiar
> >>> with it, please let me know if it's worth reading.
> >>> BTW, I loved the photos from Bellapais. What a great location for a
> >>> future Durrell conference! I followed the Durrell trail throughout the
> >>> Meditterranean but haven't been to Cyprus yet. The Villa Cleobolus and
> >>> the ?Tree of idleness? in the old moslem graveyard in Rhodes are sadly
> >>> neglected to my great disappointment.
> >>> Looking forward to further commentaries on Dark Labyrinth,
> >>> Meta Cerar,
> >>> Slovenia
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> *From:*ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca
> >>> <mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca>[mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca
> ]*On
> >>> Behalf Of*Bruce Redwine
> >>> *Sent:*Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:43 PM
> >>> *To:*Denise Tart & David Green;ilds at lists.uvic.ca<Green%3Bilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> >>> <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> >>> *Subject:*Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >>> Someone undoubtedly already has published an article on names in
> >>> Cefalu, indeed throughout Durrell's fiction. My guess is that LD
> >>> sometimes chose them as Shakespeare did his low-life characters:
> >>> Mistress Quickly, Doll Tearsheet, Pistol, etc. People are their names.
> >>> Doesn't Fearmax die of fright?
> >>> Bruce
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:59 AM, "Denise Tart & David Green"
> >>> <dtart at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dtart at bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I especially recommend the early chapter in Tunc describing Caradoc's
> >>>> drunken speech in front of the Parthenon. Grove
> >>>>
> >>>> It is probably fitting that I make a detailed literary analysis of
> >>>> Caradoc's speech - already seeing Durrell's juxtaposition of northern
> >>>> Celtic Caradoc and the souther classical Parthenon.
> >>>> btw, has anyone studied Durrell's names? I was very intrigued by them
> >>>> when reading Dark Labyrinth recently; Fearmax, Graecen - there
> >>>> something 18th century about it.
> >>>> David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> ILDS mailing list
> >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILDS mailing list
> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:55:10 -0500
> From: "Anne R Zahlan" <zahlan at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> To: <gifford at fdu.edu>, <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Message-ID: <5A956F8BADFF4A439E45C75187D5EB94 at annezahlan1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>        reply-type=original
>
> Hi Jamie:
>
> Any chance you could get some help with updating the bibliography, Web site
> etc.? You can't do it all anymore and perhaps you could find a talented and
> careful grad student.
>
> (Delegating is the sign of a good executive.)
>
> Looking forward to seeing you soon and hope job stuff is going well.
>
> Love,
>
> Anne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
>
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > For articles, I realize the online bibliography hasn't been updated
> > since 2007, but it's an easy-to-access alternative:
> >
> > http://www.lawrencedurrell.org/bibhome.htm
> >
> > Hopefully time will permit a systematic update soon.  I have hundred of
> > items to add to it still...
> >
> > Best,
> > James
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILDS mailing list
> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:35:44 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ilds] online bibliography
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Message-ID: <4D4344C0.2030000 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Anne,
>
> Good to hear from you!
>
> For everyone on the list, please consider this an open call for help
> with the online bibliography.  James Clawson and Grove Koger have
> volunteered (at the last conference) to get involved, but I do suspect
> that maintaining an online bibliography will necessitate a level of
> technical expertise and free time that the three of us will find
> challenging...  Grove is doing admirable work keeping the print
> bibliography going in /Deus Loci/ as the formal record, but there's a
> lot of secondary criticism out there still, especially in other languages.
>
> I first launched the online bibliography as a way of making such work
> easily available in a searchable format.  That creative commons idea
> would still be my preference -- what say you all?  Proprietary systems
> are easy to transfer to (RefWorks), but then they're proprietary and
> hard to open up publicly.
>
> Does anyone have experience with RefShare?
>
> Alternatively, the bibliography is already available (in a rough form)
> in BibTex, which is easy to update and is compatible with almost any
> citation management software, including many OpenSource and free
> applications.
>
> As I noted in the first launch, "The Koger-MacNiven Bibliography has
> been particularly useful, and Susan MacNiven's encouragement has been
> greatly appreciated. Other major bibliographers include Cecil L. Peaden,
> Susan Vander Closter, James Brigham, and Alan G. Thomas."  Those are all
> still excellent resources.
>
> Best,
> James
>
> On 28/01/11 1:55 PM, Anne R Zahlan wrote:
> > Hi Jamie:
> >
> > Any chance you could get some help with updating the bibliography, Web
> site
> > etc.? You can't do it all anymore and perhaps you could find a talented
> and
> > careful grad student.
> >
> > (Delegating is the sign of a good executive.)
> >
> > Looking forward to seeing you soon and hope job stuff is going well.
> >
> > Love,
> >
> > Anne
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Gifford"<james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> > To:<ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> For articles, I realize the online bibliography hasn't been updated
> >> since 2007, but it's an easy-to-access alternative:
> >>
> >> http://www.lawrencedurrell.org/bibhome.htm
> >>
> >> Hopefully time will permit a systematic update soon.  I have hundred of
> >> items to add to it still...
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> James
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> ILDS mailing list
> >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILDS mailing list
> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:38:19 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> To: gifford at fdu.edu, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> James,
>
> Tell me which entry in the 11th ed. of EB, I'll check it for you.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:21 PM, James Gifford wrote:
>
> > On 27/01/11 6:57 AM, gkoger at mindspring.com wrote:
> >> And for those who haven't read Tunc and Nunquam, get busy! They're the
> >> most consistently underrated of Durrell's novels and deserve more
> >> attention. I'm not qualified to undertake a chapter-by-chapter analysis
> >> of them, but perhaps someone else could this summer.
> >
> > Do I sense another reading group coming on?  I'd enjoy that, and Tunc
> > and Nunquam have been favourites of mine.  Great suggestion, Grove!
> > Let's plan for it this summer.
> >
> > I'm of the (perhaps heretical) opinion that these are more political
> > works than they let on, and that they show much about Durrell's 1930s
> > and 40s activities that can otherwise be overlooked.
> >
> > Caradoc's speech is grand, but I'm always struck by the inexplicable
> > ending to /Nunquam/...  I can't help but think of Durrell's publications
> > in the anarchist press (NOW, New Road, Experimental Review, the New
> > Apocalypse books, and so forth) and the ease with which an
> > antiauthoritarian interpretation of his poetics can be made.  Add to
> > that mix the language of /Nunquam/'s last two pages 282-283 (law,
> > authority, command, contractual obligation, and the fall of the state):
> >
> > "which satisfied the law."
> >
> > "the prophecy of Zeno has been occupying me, preoccupying me very much.
> >  Indeed I now feel it less as a prophecy than as a sort of command,
> > from myself to myself"
> >
> > "People will be afraid to take advantage of the fact that they have no
> > contractual obligations."
> >
> > "we have been dancing, dancing in complete happiness and accord.... even
> > though Rome burns."
> >
> > I may be just spotting things I'm looking for in other 1930s writers at
> > the moment (Duncan, Rexroth, Miller, Leite, Woodcock, and others who are
> > explicit about their anarchism and its influence on their style), but I
> > can't help but see /The Revolt of Aphrodite/ through a perspective that
> > asks about its implicit critique of corporatism and coercion in those
> > terms.  Certainly Durrell's vision isn't like Palahniuk's /Fight Club/,
> > but there's something kindred.  The state (Rome) falls, contracts end,
> > law is obscured, yet the folks are in peace and accord, relying instead
> > on their word and sociability.
> >
> > The "Tunc aut Nunquam" moment is also cast in unusual terms for Durrell:
> >
> > "Either everything will disintegrate, the Firm will begin to dissolve;
> > or else nothing, Mr. Felix, absolutely nothing."
> >
> > The Zeno prophecy first appears on pages 231-2, and this Zeno is a Greek
> > clerk who has visions (his vision is of the novel's ending and the
> > destruction of coercion and obligation).  However, I can't help but take
> > the reference to Zeno (and can a Classicist on here correct me?!
> > Bruce?) as potentially a gesture to Kropotkin's entry in the
> > Encyclopaedia Britannics's 11th edition (same entry for Durrell's 14th
> > edition?  I know the 14th was based on the 11th edition):
> >
> > "The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno
> > [...] who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community without
> > government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence
> > of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the
> > sovereignty of the moral law of the individual -- remarking already
> > that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to
> > egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with
> > another instinct -- that of sociability. When men are reasonable enough
> > to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the frontiers
> > and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or
> > police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money --
> > free gifts taking the place of the exchanges."
> >
> > I think Plutarch describes Zeno failing to kill the tyrant Demylus so
> > that "with his own teeth bit off his tongue, he spit it in the tyrant?s
> > face."
> >
> > I'm retracing some poetic networks that ran contrary to the Auden
> > Generation, and most have an anarchist politics, so I may just have this
> > in my head at the moment.  Still, it seems like some anti-state or
> > antiauthoritarian sentiments (which isn't so far from Durrell's open
> > poetics) are present here.
> >
> > At any rate, those are the things that have been occupying my mind
> > lately with /The Revolt of Aphrodite/...  What say y'all?
> >
> > Best,
> > James
> >
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> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ilds] Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th
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> Hi Bruce,
>
> Peter Kropotkin wrote the "Anarchism" entry to the 11th edition in 1905
> (Wilde even quotes Kropotkin, without reference, in "The Soul of Man
> Under Socialism").
>
> As I understand it, the 14th edition (which Durrell had on Corfu) was
> largely a reversion to the 11th edition that added new entries and made
> cuts to existing entries.  If you have access, I'd appreciate it!!  I
> can get it online through my library, but it doesn't allow the
> comparison between past editions.
>
> I believe the DSC Library has the 14th edition on its shelves too.
>
> Thanks!
> James
>
> On 28/01/11 2:38 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > Tell me which entry in the 11th ed. of /EB,/ I'll check it for you.
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:21 PM, James Gifford wrote:
> >
> >> On 27/01/11 6:57 AM, gkoger at mindspring.com
> >> <mailto:gkoger at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>> And for those who haven't read Tunc and Nunquam, get busy! They're the
> >>> most consistently underrated of Durrell's novels and deserve more
> >>> attention. I'm not qualified to undertake a chapter-by-chapter analysis
> >>> of them, but perhaps someone else could this summer.
> >>
> >> Do I sense another reading group coming on? I'd enjoy that, and Tunc
> >> and Nunquam have been favourites of mine. Great suggestion, Grove!
> >> Let's plan for it this summer.
> >>
> >> I'm of the (perhaps heretical) opinion that these are more political
> >> works than they let on, and that they show much about Durrell's 1930s
> >> and 40s activities that can otherwise be overlooked.
> >>
> >> Caradoc's speech is grand, but I'm always struck by the inexplicable
> >> ending to /Nunquam/... I can't help but think of Durrell's publications
> >> in the anarchist press (NOW, New Road, Experimental Review, the New
> >> Apocalypse books, and so forth) and the ease with which an
> >> antiauthoritarian interpretation of his poetics can be made. Add to
> >> that mix the language of /Nunquam/'s last two pages 282-283 (law,
> >> authority, command, contractual obligation, and the fall of the state):
> >>
> >> "which satisfied the law."
> >>
> >> "the prophecy of Zeno has been occupying me, preoccupying me very much.
> >> Indeed I now feel it less as a prophecy than as a sort of command,
> >> from myself to myself"
> >>
> >> "People will be afraid to take advantage of the fact that they have no
> >> contractual obligations."
> >>
> >> "we have been dancing, dancing in complete happiness and accord.... even
> >> though Rome burns."
> >>
> >> I may be just spotting things I'm looking for in other 1930s writers at
> >> the moment (Duncan, Rexroth, Miller, Leite, Woodcock, and others who are
> >> explicit about their anarchism and its influence on their style), but I
> >> can't help but see /The Revolt of Aphrodite/ through a perspective that
> >> asks about its implicit critique of corporatism and coercion in those
> >> terms. Certainly Durrell's vision isn't like Palahniuk's /Fight Club/,
> >> but there's something kindred. The state (Rome) falls, contracts end,
> >> law is obscured, yet the folks are in peace and accord, relying instead
> >> on their word and sociability.
> >>
> >> The "Tunc aut Nunquam" moment is also cast in unusual terms for Durrell:
> >>
> >> "Either everything will disintegrate, the Firm will begin to dissolve;
> >> or else nothing, Mr. Felix, absolutely nothing."
> >>
> >> The Zeno prophecy first appears on pages 231-2, and this Zeno is a Greek
> >> clerk who has visions (his vision is of the novel's ending and the
> >> destruction of coercion and obligation). However, I can't help but take
> >> the reference to Zeno (and can a Classicist on here correct me?!
> >> Bruce?) as potentially a gesture to Kropotkin's entry in the
> >> Encyclopaedia Britannics's 11th edition (same entry for Durrell's 14th
> >> edition? I know the 14th was based on the 11th edition):
> >>
> >> "The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno
> >> [...] who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community without
> >> government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence
> >> of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the
> >> sovereignty of the moral law of the individual -- remarking already
> >> that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to
> >> egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with
> >> another instinct -- that of sociability. When men are reasonable enough
> >> to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the frontiers
> >> and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or
> >> police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money --
> >> free gifts taking the place of the exchanges."
> >>
> >> I think Plutarch describes Zeno failing to kill the tyrant Demylus so
> >> that "with his own teeth bit off his tongue, he spit it in the tyrant?s
> >> face."
> >>
> >> I'm retracing some poetic networks that ran contrary to the Auden
> >> Generation, and most have an anarchist politics, so I may just have this
> >> in my head at the moment. Still, it seems like some anti-state or
> >> antiauthoritarian sentiments (which isn't so far from Durrell's open
> >> poetics) are present here.
> >>
> >> At any rate, those are the things that have been occupying my mind
> >> lately with /The Revolt of Aphrodite/... What say y'all?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> James
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:04:17 -0800
> From: William Apt <billyapt at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Dear all:
>
> I thought the book outstanding.  How Prof. MacNiven was able to gather and
> synthesize so much material, and then put it into such an eloquent
> narrative
> is remarkable.  Moreover, Prof. MacNiven honors his fiduciary obligations
> well:  it is a most tactful book.
>
> I had tried reading Bowker's bio but was put off by it. Perhaps because it
> was unauthorized, and Bowker was deprived of sources MacNiven had recourse
> to, there was way too much speculation-as-explanation for my taste. Can any
> one tell me how it essentially differs from MacNiven's book, and whether it
> is worthwhile?
>
> Ultimately I find LD truly enigmatic.  I have so many questions about why
> he
> was the way he was that, perhaps, cannot be clearly answered except to say
> that he was a genius, and genius is a mystery.
>
> Again, thanks to everyone who was so helpful to me, including Prof.
> Godshalk, whom I forgot to thank yesterday.
>
> --
> WILLIAM APT
> Attorney at Law
> 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1,
> Ste 205
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> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th
> To: gifford at fdu.edu, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> James,
>
> Yes, the EB 11th section on Kropotkin's essay on "Anarchism" is as you
> quote it, except for the capitalization of "Anarchist," "Utopia," and
> "Cosmos."  Hopes this helps.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:50 PM, James Gifford wrote:
>
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > Peter Kropotkin wrote the "Anarchism" entry to the 11th edition in 1905
> > (Wilde even quotes Kropotkin, without reference, in "The Soul of Man
> > Under Socialism").
> >
> > As I understand it, the 14th edition (which Durrell had on Corfu) was
> > largely a reversion to the 11th edition that added new entries and made
> > cuts to existing entries.  If you have access, I'd appreciate it!!  I
> > can get it online through my library, but it doesn't allow the
> > comparison between past editions.
> >
> > I believe the DSC Library has the 14th edition on its shelves too.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > James
> >
> > On 28/01/11 2:38 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> Tell me which entry in the 11th ed. of /EB,/ I'll check it for you.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:21 PM, James Gifford wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Zeno prophecy first appears on pages 231-2, and this Zeno is a
> Greek
> >>> clerk who has visions (his vision is of the novel's ending and the
> >>> destruction of coercion and obligation). However, I can't help but take
> >>> the reference to Zeno (and can a Classicist on here correct me?!
> >>> Bruce?) as potentially a gesture to Kropotkin's entry in the
> >>> Encyclopaedia Britannics's 11th edition (same entry for Durrell's 14th
> >>> edition? I know the 14th was based on the 11th edition):
> >>>
> >>> "The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno
> >>> [...] who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community without
> >>> government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence
> >>> of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the
> >>> sovereignty of the moral law of the individual -- remarking already
> >>> that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to
> >>> egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with
> >>> another instinct -- that of sociability. When men are reasonable enough
> >>> to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the frontiers
> >>> and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or
> >>> police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money --
> >>> free gifts taking the place of the exchanges."
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:42:39 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Hi Bruce,
>
> Alas, *I* don't have the 14th edition, just access to the 11th...
>
> That said, a quick check in Google Books has Stephen Lukes remarking on
> Kropotkin's entry on Anarchism and Mutual Aid with a quotation that
> matches verbatim the 11th edition, but Lukes' citation is very clearly
> to the 1929-30 vol. 1 14th edition 9p. 873).  I think that solves the
> mystery.  Durrell's personal copy of the 14th edition would have carried
> at least a version of Kropotkin's 1905 entry for the 11th edition.  I
> admire Lukes' work, so I'll trust it until I can check a 14h edition
> copy in the stacks.
>
> But, would that Zeno reference have stuck, if Durrell had even read it,
> more than 20 years later?  Dunno, but it does open a window of possibility.
>
> Thanks for the help!  And sorry to bore the rest of y'all -- any takers
> on the /Revolt/ suggestions?
>
> Best,
> James
>
> On 28/01/11 3:26 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > Yes, the /EB/ 11th section on Kropotkin's essay on "Anarchism" is as you
> > quote it, except for the capitalization of "Anarchist," "Utopia," and
> > "Cosmos." Hopes this helps.
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:50 PM, James Gifford wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Bruce,
> >>
> >> Peter Kropotkin wrote the "Anarchism" entry to the 11th edition in 1905
> >> (Wilde even quotes Kropotkin, without reference, in "The Soul of Man
> >> Under Socialism").
> >>
> >> As I understand it, the 14th edition (which Durrell had on Corfu) was
> >> largely a reversion to the 11th edition that added new entries and made
> >> cuts to existing entries. If you have access, I'd appreciate it!! I
> >> can get it online through my library, but it doesn't allow the
> >> comparison between past editions.
> >>
> >> I believe the DSC Library has the 14th edition on its shelves too.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> James
> >>
> >> On 28/01/11 2:38 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> >>> James,
> >>>
> >>> Tell me which entry in the 11th ed. of /EB,/ I'll check it for you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bruce
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:21 PM, James Gifford wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The Zeno prophecy first appears on pages 231-2, and this Zeno is a
> Greek
> >>>> clerk who has visions (his vision is of the novel's ending and the
> >>>> destruction of coercion and obligation). However, I can't help but
> take
> >>>> the reference to Zeno (and can a Classicist on here correct me?!
> >>>> Bruce?) as potentially a gesture to Kropotkin's entry in the
> >>>> Encyclopaedia Britannics's 11th edition (same entry for Durrell's 14th
> >>>> edition? I know the 14th was based on the 11th edition):
> >>>>
> >>>> "The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno
> >>>> [...] who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community
> without
> >>>> government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence
> >>>> of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the
> >>>> sovereignty of the moral law of the individual -- remarking already
> >>>> that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to
> >>>> egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with
> >>>> another instinct -- that of sociability. When men are reasonable
> enough
> >>>> to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the
> frontiers
> >>>> and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or
> >>>> police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money
> --
> >>>> free gifts taking the place of the exchanges."
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:44:40 +1100
> From: "Denise Tart & David Green" <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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>
> William,
>
> I have read Bowker's biography several times and can recommend it to you.
> yes, you are right that it has its problems and that Bowker does speculate
> at times, but it is a good contrast to tact of MacNiven, who as well as
> being a scholarly and authorised, is also a fan. Bowker, as his book title
> suggests, paints a darker picture of Lawrence particularly in relation to
> his treatment of women and his over fondness of alcohol; his creative
> madness being at times hard on people close to him. Read both a get a deeper
> picture - someone else out there is currently doing so and could perhaps ad
> to this commentary??
>
> David Green
>
>
> From: William Apt
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Subject: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
>
>
> Dear all:
>
> I thought the book outstanding.  How Prof. MacNiven was able to gather and
> synthesize so much material, and then put it into such an eloquent narrative
> is remarkable.  Moreover, Prof. MacNiven honors his fiduciary obligations
> well:  it is a most tactful book.
>
> I had tried reading Bowker's bio but was put off by it. Perhaps because it
> was unauthorized, and Bowker was deprived of sources MacNiven had recourse
> to, there was way too much speculation-as-explanation for my taste. Can any
> one tell me how it essentially differs from MacNiven's book, and whether it
> is worthwhile?
>
> Ultimately I find LD truly enigmatic.  I have so many questions about why
> he was the way he was that, perhaps, cannot be clearly answered except to
> say that he was a genius, and genius is a mystery.
>
> Again, thanks to everyone who was so helpful to me, including Prof.
> Godshalk, whom I forgot to thank yesterday.
>
> --
> WILLIAM APT
> Attorney at Law
> 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1,
> Ste 205
> Austin TX 78746
> 512/708-8300 <tel:+15127088300>
> 512/708-8011 <tel:+15127088011> FAX
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:01:26 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Hi David,
>
> Michael Haag is writing the next biography.  As for Bowker and MacNiven,
> it's worth noting that Bowker's biography has changes between the first
> and second editions.  Nonetheless, in both he's darker and more
> speculative, though he did access some archives (like UVic's) that
> MacNiven did not -- his Malcolm Lowry biography is excellent, and it
> took him to some of the smaller places that MacNiven didn't reach.
>
> Between the two, I prefer MacNiven's and trust it more, though it's not
> without slips here and there as well, which is inevitable in such a work.
>
> Best,
> James
>
> On 28/01/11 3:44 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
> > William,
> > I have read Bowker's biography several times and can recommend it to
> > you. yes, you are right that it has its problems and that Bowker does
> > speculate at times, but it is a good contrast to tact of MacNiven, who
> > as well as being a scholarly and authorised, is also a fan. Bowker, as
> > his book title suggests, paints a darker picture of Lawrence
> > particularly in relation to his treatment of women and his over fondness
> > of alcohol; his creative madness being at times hard on people close to
> > him. Read both a get a deeper picture - someone else out there is
> > currently doing so and could perhaps ad to this commentary??
> > David Green
> >
> > *From:* William Apt <mailto:billyapt at gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:04 AM
> > *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > *Subject:* [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> >
> > Dear all:
> > I thought the book outstanding. How Prof. MacNiven was able to gather
> > and synthesize so much material, and then put it into such an eloquent
> > narrative is remarkable. Moreover, Prof. MacNiven honors his fiduciary
> > obligations well: it is a most tactful book.
> > I had tried reading Bowker's bio but was put off by it. Perhaps because
> > it was unauthorized, and Bowker was deprived of sources MacNiven had
> > recourse to, there was way too much speculation-as-explanation for my
> > taste. Can any one tell me how it essentially differs from MacNiven's
> > book, and whether it is worthwhile?
> > Ultimately I find LD truly enigmatic. I have so many questions about why
> > he was the way he was that, perhaps, cannot be clearly answered except
> > to say that he was a genius, and genius is a mystery.
> > Again, thanks to everyone who was so helpful to me, including Prof.
> > Godshalk, whom I forgot to thank yesterday.
> >
> > --
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:35:04 +1100
> From: "Denise Tart & David Green" <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> To: <gifford at fdu.edu>, <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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> James,
>
> I am noting that I have the revised edition, much thumbed. Yes, Bowker is a
> sharp writer but writing a biography of any complex 'genius' would be hard
> task as I am sure Michael Haag has discovered, especially if you want to go
> beyond a chronicle into a analysis of motive, muse, the meaning of self in
> relation to the world. Things are bound to slip. That said I enjoy
> biographies as much or more sometimes than the subjects own writings.
>
> Have been waiting for old Haag's biog for a while - in fact I'm getting
> that
> 'when's it going to be wine o'clock feeling if'n you take my meaning?
>
> David Whitewine
>
> btw, am hoping to get sorted a decent look at Durrell's islomania; form to
> be determined.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:01 AM
> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Michael Haag is writing the next biography.  As for Bowker and MacNiven,
> > it's worth noting that Bowker's biography has changes between the first
> > and second editions.  Nonetheless, in both he's darker and more
> > speculative, though he did access some archives (like UVic's) that
> > MacNiven did not -- his Malcolm Lowry biography is excellent, and it
> > took him to some of the smaller places that MacNiven didn't reach.
> >
> > Between the two, I prefer MacNiven's and trust it more, though it's not
> > without slips here and there as well, which is inevitable in such a work.
> >
> > Best,
> > James
> >
> > On 28/01/11 3:44 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
> >> William,
> >> I have read Bowker's biography several times and can recommend it to
> >> you. yes, you are right that it has its problems and that Bowker does
> >> speculate at times, but it is a good contrast to tact of MacNiven, who
> >> as well as being a scholarly and authorised, is also a fan. Bowker, as
> >> his book title suggests, paints a darker picture of Lawrence
> >> particularly in relation to his treatment of women and his over fondness
> >> of alcohol; his creative madness being at times hard on people close to
> >> him. Read both a get a deeper picture - someone else out there is
> >> currently doing so and could perhaps ad to this commentary??
> >> David Green
> >>
> >> *From:* William Apt <mailto:billyapt at gmail.com>
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:04 AM
> >> *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca <mailto:ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> >> *Subject:* [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> >>
> >> Dear all:
> >> I thought the book outstanding. How Prof. MacNiven was able to gather
> >> and synthesize so much material, and then put it into such an eloquent
> >> narrative is remarkable. Moreover, Prof. MacNiven honors his fiduciary
> >> obligations well: it is a most tactful book.
> >> I had tried reading Bowker's bio but was put off by it. Perhaps because
> >> it was unauthorized, and Bowker was deprived of sources MacNiven had
> >> recourse to, there was way too much speculation-as-explanation for my
> >> taste. Can any one tell me how it essentially differs from MacNiven's
> >> book, and whether it is worthwhile?
> >> Ultimately I find LD truly enigmatic. I have so many questions about why
> >> he was the way he was that, perhaps, cannot be clearly answered except
> >> to say that he was a genius, and genius is a mystery.
> >> Again, thanks to everyone who was so helpful to me, including Prof.
> >> Godshalk, whom I forgot to thank yesterday.
> >>
> >> --
> >> WILLIAM APT
> >> Attorney at Law
> >> 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1,
> >> Ste 205
> >> Austin TX 78746
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> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:53:28 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ilds] the longer response to Bruce
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Hi Bruce,
>
> Here's a a more detailed response to your thoughtful response...  To let
> others follow, I'll repeat your note that your comments are the numbered
> ones.
>
> >> Well put, Bruce. I think there have been ongoing worries about
> >> "academic" and "lay" topics, and I for one don't think it's a real
> >> issue.
> >
> > 1. I do.
> >
> >> Academics like to talk about academic issues, lay readers the
> >> same, and then the vast majority vacillating in between.
> >
> > 2. The issue is not what people "like to talk" about, rather about what
> > they're willing to hear. I like to think I'm open to everything and do
> > not complain about someone else's hobby-horse, no matter how
> > energetically expressed.
>
> Perhaps I should clarify what I mean.  I don't think "lay" vs "academic"
> are a necessary conflict -- we all wander between both realms, so I
> consider it a disagreement based on misunderstandings rather than
> inextricable differences.
>
> I'll admit that there are things with which I disagree, but in my
> moderator capacity, I wouldn't consider preventing any of them from
> being said if they don't cross a boundary of taste or decorum in a
> public forum.  In my participant capacity, I'll jump in and disagree!
>
> >> The Australians, evidently, like to talk about wine...
> >
> > 3. And so do the French, Italians, and Americans. And so did Lawrence
> > Durrell, who became the model for such talk about wine and its
> > pleasures. For a view of Durrellians at the wine table, see p. 8 of the
> > ILDS /Herald,/ 15 May 2010, and then read the captions to the photos.
>
> I believe I've been seen consuming the waters of life on many an
> occasion...  I just didn't want David to feel left out and perhaps
> should have noted to joke overtly.  ;)
>
> >> Regardless of our various and diverse interests, some of us will and
> >> won't be interested in each others topics, but that's why the list is an
> >> open forum in which people can dabble as they wish. The variety of
> >> interests is a good thing, not a bad, and lurkers are welcome too.
> >> Folks are free to participate in whatever way suits them best.
> >
> > 4. A slightly disingenuous characterization. Seems to me the moderators
> > are making too much effort to accommodate, as someone else put it, "the
> > lowest common denominator." I enjoy all kinds of contributions and
> > discussions. But all issues should be on the table, not simply those
> > that put old LD in a good light and make him palpable to the masses. And
> > if that means getting into the nitty-gritty of scholarship and literary
> > analysis, as I believe Bill Godshalk was on the verge of doing, then
> > let's hear it and let's discuss it. I find it very ironic that I, a
> > non-academic, should be the one defending the Academy and its practices.
>
> I think this is more a matter of balancing between dissemination and
> keeping discussion growing...  As a moderator, that's always going to be
> a tough call -- we've asked people to move discussions along or to
> consider letting some disagreements lie, but I hope we've not prevented
> open discourse.
>
> It's probably a matter of self-censorship by academics when a feeling
> emerges that folks aren't interested in the academic work -- by the same
> token, if Bill's working that up into an article, he may have cut the
> cord to the internet once he struck gold.  I've done that on a few
> occasions to avoid spoiling the later surprise in print (or at least my
> hubris imagines the "surprise" of a reader...).
>
> The same thing goes in the other direction when "lay" readers feel shy
> asking questions on commenting for fear of being "corrected" or not
> fitting in.  I'd hope they'd jump into the fray -- I personally welcome
> such participants, even if I don't have a lot to offer them.
>
> >>> Nor do I see it as a cheering section for Lawrence
> >>> Durrell's life and work.
> >>
> >> My academic hat tells me to say "cheering" is beside the point,
> >
> > 5. No. Entirely the point. See no. 4.
>
> I think I see what you mean.  I don't agree, but I understand.  I'm
> certainly not trying to stop anyone from bringing uncomfortable facts to
> light -- I disagree with your personal interpretation of them, and to
> some degree, we're just going to have to live with our disagreements
> there since it's not likely we'll move forward by repeating them.
>
> That said, you shouldn't feel like you can't give air to them.
> Plagiarism, sexism, alcoholism, incest, and violence are probably the
> points of contention, and I'd imagine we'll find a range of perspectives
> on those here as ways of interpreting Durrell's works.  My hunch is that
> we'd be in agreement on all of those issues but one: plagiarism.  As for
> incest, I think it's an example of where biographical speculation leads
> to false results, as Mary Hamer's book on the topic demonstrates.
>
> An apologia for an author leads to no good and a blurred vision.
> Durrell was certainly an alcoholic with sexist and violent parts of his
> personality, though to some degree feminist and pacifist tendencies as
> well.  We simply disagree on how to look at creative texts, and I deal
> with plagiarism in my administrative capacity, for which no one has
> accused me of being too easy...  I simply want to note that reasonable
> disagreement is possible on that.  As for incest, I think accusations
> against Durrell in that regard reflect a search for attention -- shock
> journalism.  Hamer's an instance of how badly that can go.
>
> >> but I suspect some would enjoy a cheer now and again (or the
> >> opposite), and I
> >> don't think they should be silenced. I just won't provide the pom poms.
> >
> > 6. As you're doing now, it would be nice to have the moderators
> > occasionally provide reasoned opinions, in addition to quips and
> > citations. Charles used to do this well. No longer, sadly.
>
> Charles is a mere mortal, and I think his recent find is keeping on the
> road quite a bit at present.  I'll do my best, such as it is...
>
> >> I might also add, a good deal of answers are sent off-list, which I
> >> believe has been the case for several recent academic queries.
> >
> > 7. Which is a very big mistake. Why aren't the answers to academic
> > queries made public? I'd like to see them.
>
> I mean things such as locations of books, tips for local resources,
> etc...  I make a point of putting things on the list that have any
> chance of being of public interest.
>
> > 8. I praise the moderators for their time and effort. No irony here.
>
> Shucks, Bruce, I'm blushing...  Charles, though, is the Boxer to our
> animal farm.  I suspect I'm more of a stubborn mule.
>
> > Or, perhaps I can stir the pot by going after Bruce's flagrantly dangled
> > hook & bait: [that's me]
> >
> >> Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few
> >> things to expunge or expiate. [Bruce]
> >
> > I might look sideways at Cleanth Brooks from time to time, but Bruce, I
> > thought you had a good ol' New Criticism vein (or artery) running in
> > you. Surely this falls foul of some kind of intentional fallacy or
> > conversation with dead people. Barthes might ask about the reader too...
> >
> > 9. Name-dropping is not an argument, James. Bruce Chatwin and Paul de
> > Man share similarities with Lawrence Durrell. Chatwin had a hard time
> > distinguishing fact from fiction, and de Man covered up some sordid
> > behavior. Both topics have been discussed on this List and in
> > considerable detail.
>
> I'll agree with this.  Chatwin had good reasons for failing to make that
> distinction toward the end, and Durrell admitted repeatedly to mainly
> living in his mind rather than the world outside.  Paul de Man had
> rather darker things to cover up though...  I think that's where I
> hesitate.  Durrell certainly had things to hide and a life of the
> imagination, but the de Man approach would go back to the incest topic,
> which I think is a red herring in Durrell's case.  He certainly was not
> saint, but even without redeeming him, I'd not be as jaded as de Man's
> Nazi ties would suggest.
>
> Would a better comparison be Chatwin and Graham Greene or Iris Murdoch.
>  Neither of the last two were saints, but neither had the same kind of
> skeletons in the closet as de Man.  Perhaps a tibia or femur or two, but
> not the legion de Man or Heidegger might command.
>
> > Isn't some of the brilliance of LD's prose, and perhaps most of all the
> > poetry, the fact that it is gorgeously ambiguous in the sense of Keats'
> > Negative Capability?
> >
> > 10. Keats's "Negative Capability" is hard to understand.
>
> I'm not trying to minimize Keats' complexities.  They're well known.
> What I mean is that an easy bridge between author and text is always
> going to be fraught with perils.  We can't have that brilliant
> complexity *and* and easy path back to the author...  Much like Keats'
> masks.
>
> > Robert Duncan makes nice work of Durrell's
> > ambiguous objects in Greek poems like "Carol on Corfu" in his "Ark for
> > Lawrence Durrell," which strikes me as having a bit of the bite you're
> > looking for without falling into the myopia of clear vision...
> >
> > 11. I'd like to learn more about "the myopia of clear vision."
>
> Seeing something too clearly usually tells me I'm finding what I set out
> to find rather than what's really there...  My dissertation looked at
> instances of this in Durrell and Miller -- critics have often described
> events in both authors' works that don't actually exist.  Sometimes the
> gaps are so provocative that we fill them in and fail to notice where
> the contents came from -- I try to keep myself humble in that area
> (trust me, it's hard!  Hubris away!).  When I think I've finally
> achieved a clear vision of something I begin to suspect that I'm being
> myopic about the unresolvable ambiguities (Empson's 7th type) that are
> invariably present.  My certainly blinds me to the rich uncertainties...
>
> > If I think I've puzzled out what a poet really *meant*, then I second
> guess
> > myself and wonder if my certainty is blinding me to the gloriously
> > ambiguous that doesn't actually have a non-readerly resolution.
> >
> > 12. Hard to discuss this without specifics [...] You're emphasizing
> > readers over authors, as Barthes famously spoke of the "death of the
> > author," along with the impossibility to recover authorial intentions,
> > as Bill likes to stress. All this I largely disagree with, for the most
> > part. I see a text as mainly under the control of its author ? but not
> > everything in it. Authors don't always know what they're doing. Frank
> > Kermode makes this point well in "Secrets and Narrative Sequence" (1980).
>
> Precisely, and I suppose we're just going to disagree.  Much of it is a
> matter of polemics and tendencies.  When I see a cheque, I don't imagine
> the kind of death of the author that Barthes (who got royalties!)
> suggests.  By the same token, when I see Darley I don't see Lawrence
> Durrell.  I try to be very tentative when I talk of biographical
> matters, often restricting myself to tying two texts together,
> contextualizing sources or language, or trying to draw out an overlooked
> interpretive possibility.  Otherwise, I tend to leave interpretive
> matters to the reader rather than the writer.  The writer sold me the
> book, and now I'll do with it just as I please...  ;)
>
> But there are reasonable reasons to disagree here, perhaps most often to
> keep each other to reasonable degrees of difference.
>
> > I'm also curious why "expiate" rather than "express" or "deal with"? Is
> > there a Catholic vein too, my eucharistic friend?
> >
> > 13. There is a "Catholic vein" to my thought, being a lapsed Catholic.
> > If you accept the de Man analogy (which I expect you do not), then
> > "expiate" is exactly the right word.
>
> Don't worry, Bruce, they seem get people back in the end...  Hence
> "lapsed" rather than "lost"... ;)
>
> You're right, I don't accept the de Man analogy, but I do see what you
> mean by expiate.  Is there a reasonable middle ground between de Man and
> Mother Theresa?  I'm sure Durrell had things to expiate, but I don't
> think they were on the same order as de Man.  Does that make sense?
> Moreover, I'm not always convinced that retracing that expiation will
> lead to the author, ? la Eliot's catalyst in "Tradition and the
> Individual Talent," though he was trying to expiate some sins and hide
> some skeletons as well...
>
> Best,
> James
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:40:12 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Message-ID: <4D436FFC.1080302 at gmail.com>
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>
> As always, Ilyas, you have a keen eye and generous description of the
> things it spies.
>
> All apologies for my provincially dull skirmishes with Bruce, but at
> least we're keeping our blades dull as well.  Hopefully this recent jump
> in activity on the list will return us to the "vibrant balance of the
> scholarly, academic, casual and amateur enthusiast."
>
> As for Charles,
>
> > Bill, is he not in chicago ? Buried in the archive?
> > Last I heard he was mumbling something about blacke
> > booke
>
> I thought he was still in Zagreb chasing the Justine ts.  I think I'll
> have to try his cell...
>
> Best,
> James
>
> On 26/01/11 2:14 AM, Ilyas Khan wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> > You make the key point in my view. I am active (and find tremendously
> > rewarding) my participation as ?poster? and ?lurker? on a number of
> > other such venues, and the key difference is that despite much hand
> > wringing on this listserv, there is an incredible tendency towards
> > clique-ishness, made all the more provincially dull by the continuation
> > of long standing personal skirmishes that the vast majority of us do not
> > understand or appreciate.
> >
> > My own attitude has been, therefore, to focus on two things. Firstly, my
> > own love of LD means that I usually find nuggets here, but I also have
> > drifted towards a personal reply instead of a reply to the forum as a
> > whole. Secondly, when the usual small clique start squabbling or cannot
> > see the impact of their language on others, I simply ignore them and
> > enjoy the underlying conversation from which I have learnt so much. At
> > times people such as James and Charles have tried to bring the
> > conversation back to the ?relevant?, but even they, I think, sometimes
> > tire of the same old repetition.
> >
> > There is a message in reply to David?s post that also raises the issue
> > of how some academics have been teased off this listserv from posting
> > stuff that is too academic. I agree that if other venues can maintain a
> > vibrant balance of the scholarly, academic, casual and amateur
> > enthusiast, then so can we.
> >
> > On that basis therefore, David, I for one will try to become more
> > active. I value this little part of my life, and unless we all step upto
> > the plate, we have only ourselves to blame. Having made my points above,
> > I am hoping I can become one of the non-scholarly or non-academic
> > participants who has an opinion and a constructive point of view.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26/01/2011 00:29, "Ken Gammage" <Ken.Gammage at directed.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Very good David. A provocative post that should wake up the
> >     listserv! However, I?m not sure how well your example supports your
> >     argument. Rony sent a second post about Otto Rank that resulted in
> >     detailed and I?m sure very helpful responses from Charles Sligh and
> >     James Gifford. I have been a flagrant lurker for the past several
> >     years, enjoying the insightful and often beautiful writing by many
> >     thoughtful posters about Durrell, often responding directly and
> >     privately to the poster without necessarily having the courage to
> >     publicly offer my own sometimes contrary opinions (e.g. pro-The
> >     Greek Islands, where others find this coffee table book motivated
> >     strictly by lucre.)
> >     You see ? that?s why I seldom post. I can almost sense the artillery
> >     cranking into place, preparing a fusillade of disparagement at my
> >     poor taste in Island books! (I still like Prospero the best.) Please
> >     see my kind words about Durrell on the last page of my Italy
> >     website: www.travelogorrhea.com <http://www.travelogorrhea.com>
> >
> >     Viva Durrell!
> >
> >     Kennedy Gammage
> >     ken.gammage at directed.com
> >
> >
> >
> >     *From:* ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca
> >     [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] *On Behalf Of *Denise Tart &
> >     David Green
> >     *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:30 PM
> >     *To:* Durrel; DURRELL at LISTSERV.CC.UCF.EDU
> >     *Subject:* [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >
> >
> >     It has come to my notice and the notice of one or two other
> >     contributors to this list that things have gone rather quiet in
> >     Durrell land over the last few weeks, months even, leaving me to
> >     ponder whatever happened to the lively debates and discussions of
> >     Durrell and his works?
> >     There seems to be no interest in keeping any kind of serious
> >     discussion going. Some large and well researched postings by me and
> >     some others, intended to stimulate discussion have disappeared
> >     without a trace. The general run of recent postings, few and far
> >     between, appear restricted to scholarly minutia or references to
> >     academic journals.
> >
> >     There was almost no response to young Israeli student, Rony
> >     Alfandary, who appeared to be seeking some encouragement so that she
> >     can do her bit to promote LD in the world of scholarship. Unless
> >     some communication occurred off line, Bruce Redwine was the only
> >     member to publicly respond.
> >
> >     Has there been a shift in policy re the ILDS List-Serve. Is it no
> >     longer a forum for discussion, since that can lead to controversy
> >     about M. Durrell's reputation? Currently there appears to be an
> >     aloofness on the part of certain contributors and a disinterest in
> >     endorsing anything substantive. Is the List now a place for the
> >     cognoscenti to say nice things to one another or merely to refer to
> >     items of Durrell scholarship, worthy as these things is in their own
> >     right?
> >
> >     Where are all the so called lurkers? Where are all the people who
> >     used to pitch in have a say? Is the horse suffering from a terminal
> >     illness or is it just tired and resting up, unwilling at the moment
> >     to enter the forum of fiery debate about the life and works of the
> >     Hero of Kalamni, Bellapaix, Alexandria etc etc?
> >
> >     Whatever happened to the spirit of L. Pursewarden, who wrote,
> >     "Protestant purely in the sense that I protest!"
> >
> >     Yours, somewhat puzzled,
> >
> >     David Green
> >
> >     16 William Street
> >     Marrickville NSW 2204
> >     Australia
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:00:12 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> To: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>,
>        ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> I haven't read MacNiven in toto but agree with David's take on Bowker.  I
> am not convinced, however, with Bowker's attempt to rationalize Durrell's
> "creative madness," especially with respect to his occasional treatment of
> his wives, sometimes brutally.
>
>
> BR
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>
> > William,
> >
> > I have read Bowker's biography several times and can recommend it to you.
> yes, you are right that it has its problems and that Bowker does speculate
> at times, but it is a good contrast to tact of MacNiven, who as well as
> being a scholarly and authorised, is also a fan. Bowker, as his book title
> suggests, paints a darker picture of Lawrence particularly in relation to
> his treatment of women and his over fondness of alcohol; his creative
> madness being at times hard on people close to him. Read both a get a deeper
> picture - someone else out there is currently doing so and could perhaps ad
> to this commentary??
> >
> > David Green
> >
> > From: William Apt
> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:04 AM
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Subject: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> >
> > Dear all:
> >
> > I thought the book outstanding.  How Prof. MacNiven was able to gather
> and synthesize so much material, and then put it into such an eloquent
> narrative  is remarkable.  Moreover, Prof. MacNiven honors his fiduciary
> obligations well:  it is a most tactful book.
> >
> > I had tried reading Bowker's bio but was put off by it. Perhaps because
> it was unauthorized, and Bowker was deprived of sources MacNiven had
> recourse to, there was way too much speculation-as-explanation for my taste.
> Can any one tell me how it essentially differs from MacNiven's book, and
> whether it is worthwhile?
> >
> > Ultimately I find LD truly enigmatic.  I have so many questions about why
> he was the way he was that, perhaps, cannot be clearly answered except to
> say that he was a genius, and genius is a mystery.
> >
> > Again, thanks to everyone who was so helpful to me, including Prof.
> Godshalk, whom I forgot to thank yesterday.
> >
> > --
> > WILLIAM APT
> > Attorney at Law
> > 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1,
> > Ste 205
> > Austin TX 78746
> > 512/708-8300 <tel:+15127088300>
> > 512/708-8011 <tel:+15127088011> FAX
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:04:14 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> To: gifford at fdu.edu, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> The "Justine ts?"  The Justine type script?  Whereas Charles is, I wish him
> well.
>
>
> BR
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 5:40 PM, James Gifford wrote:
>
> > As for Charles,
> >
> >> Bill, is he not in chicago ? Buried in the archive?
> >> Last I heard he was mumbling something about blacke
> >> booke
> >
> > I thought he was still in Zagreb chasing the Justine ts.  I think I'll
> > have to try his cell...
> >
> > Best,
> > James
> >
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:20:47 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] MacNiven Bio
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> Bill,
>
> Any attempt to write a biography of Lawrence Durrell is a mind-boggling
> enterprise, both in terms of the complexity of the man himself and the huge
> amount of material required to absorb and analyze.  He was definitely a
> genius but also a very flawed one, which is probably the way we want our
> geniuses to be.  It was a pleasure to offer you the little assistance I
> could.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 3:04 PM, William Apt wrote:
>
> > Dear all:
> >
> > I thought the book outstanding.  How Prof. MacNiven was able to gather
> and synthesize so much material, and then put it into such an eloquent
> narrative is remarkable.  Moreover, Prof. MacNiven honors his fiduciary
> obligations well:  it is a most tactful book.
> >
> > I had tried reading Bowker's bio but was put off by it. Perhaps because
> it was unauthorized, and Bowker was deprived of sources MacNiven had
> recourse to, there was way too much speculation-as-explanation for my taste.
> Can any one tell me how it essentially differs from MacNiven's book, and
> whether it is worthwhile?
> >
> > Ultimately I find LD truly enigmatic.  I have so many questions about why
> he was the way he was that, perhaps, cannot be clearly answered except to
> say that he was a genius, and genius is a mystery.
> >
> > Again, thanks to everyone who was so helpful to me, including Prof.
> Godshalk, whom I forgot to thank yesterday.
> >
> > --
> > WILLIAM APT
> > Attorney at Law
> > 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1,
> > Ste 205
> > Austin TX 78746
> > 512/708-8300 <tel:+15127088300>
> > 512/708-8011 <tel:+15127088011> FAX
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILDS mailing list
> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 00:03:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Richard Pine <rpinecorfu at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Names
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Message-ID: <192927.66531.qm at web65817.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Wasn't me! RP
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> To: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 11:20:13 PM
> Subject: [ilds] Names
>
> Pursewarden. ?Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that Ludwig's
> surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum. ?Or maybe I?just?have a dirty
> mind. ?Bill Godshalk can confirm this, either way. ?The OED, however, cites
> "scrotum" as a Renaissance meaning of purse. ?Cf. Iago's "Who steals my
> purse
> steals trash," where "purse," given Iago's lewd mind, probably refers to
> more
> than coins.
>
>
> Mountolive. ?New Testament "Mount of Olives," associated with Christ's
> Passion
> and possibly the Garden of Gethsemane? ?Not clear how this applies to Sir
> David,
> unless you want to argue that in the Quartet the ambassador has his own
> Passion
> or?passions?to deal with. ?This may be Durrell being whimsical and
> irreverent.
> ?Still, a good name.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>
> Meta,
> >?
> >thanks for news about the Villa Cleobolus, sad though it is. I have been
> able to
> >find Larry's other houses on Google Earth, but not the one in Rhodes.
> >insidently, a Greek friend of mine reckons that Rhodes is the most
> beautiful
> >island in the world which certainly comes through in the Marine Venus.
> >?
> >To the names in Dark Labyrinth, yes the names imply the characters
> >?
> >Graecen - the graceful and mannered lord.
> >Campion - Champion, the hero of the piece - the shit stirring artist rebel
> type
> >Fearmax - the enigmatic, withdrawn magician (maximum fear)
> >The Truman's - true, honest ordinary people who achieve a mountain utopia
> >(Durrell's hearkening back to his Indian Himalayan experiences)
> >?
> >etc etc
> >?
> >we recall in 18th century? English Lit characters like Squire Booby (a
> booby
> >being an ignorant boor) or squire Weston, he from the west country, a land
> of
> >rowdy, drunken cider drinkers, the lord be good to them.
> >?
> >I also wonder about Quartet characters - Pursewarden for example (money
> guard)
> >or Mountolive - who was Olive???
> >?
> >David Green
> >Terra Australis Incognito
> >
> >
> >From:?Meta Cerar
> >Sent:?Friday, January 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> >To:?ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> >Subject:?Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >
> >
> >Actually there are more ?18th century? names in the Dark Labyrinth, like
> TRUMAN
> >for example. What an appropriate name for someone who ends up on the Roof
> of the
> >World, which I agree is one of the most magnificent chapters in Durrell's
> entire
> >opus, as one of the list members wrote recently.
> >?
> >If anyone on the list knows of an article concerning the Cefalu or Dark
> >Labyrinth ?names, I would be greatly interested. I am currently
> translating Dark
> >Labyrinth into Slovenian ? to be published at the 100th anniversary of his
> birth
> >(February 2012) ? and would love to include this symbolism into the
> preface of
> >the book.
> >?
> >I would also be grateful for any information on reviews or articles on
> this
> >particular book, which I greatly enjoy working on although L.D. dismissed
> it as
> >a potboiler. I think there was an article in Deus Loci about Otto Rank's
> >influence on D.L. If anyone happens to be familiar with it, please let me
> know
> >if it's worth reading.
> >?
> >BTW, I loved the photos from Bellapais. What a great location for a future
> >Durrell conference! I followed the Durrell trail throughout the
> Meditterranean
> >but haven't been to Cyprus yet. The Villa Cleobolus and the ?Tree of
> idleness?
> >in the old moslem graveyard in Rhodes are sadly neglected to my great
> >disappointment.
> >?
> >Looking forward to further commentaries on Dark Labyrinth,
> >?
> >Meta Cerar,
> >Slovenia
> >?
> >
> ________________________________
>
> >From:?ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca?[mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca]?OnBehalf
> >Of?Bruce Redwine
> >Sent:?Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:43 PM
> >To:?Denise Tart & David Green;?ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> >Subject:?Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >?
> >Someone undoubtedly already has published an article on names in Cefalu,
> indeed
> >throughout Durrell's fiction. ?My guess is that LD sometimes chose them as
> >Shakespeare did his low-life characters: ? Mistress Quickly, Doll
> Tearsheet,
> >Pistol, etc. ?People are their names. ?Doesn't Fearmax die of fright?
> >?
> >?
> >Bruce
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:59 AM, "Denise Tart & David Green" <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> >wrote:
> >I especially recommend the?early chapter in Tunc describing Caradoc's
> drunken
> >speech in front of the Parthenon.?Grove
> >>
> >>It is probably fitting that I make a detailed literary analysis of
> Caradoc's
> >>speech - already seeing Durrell's juxtaposition of northern Celtic
> Caradoc and
> >>the? souther classical Parthenon.
> >>?
> >>btw, has anyone studied Durrell's names? I was very intrigued by?them
> when
> >>reading Dark Labyrinth recently; Fearmax, Graecen - there something 18th
> century
> >>about it.
> >>?
> >>David
> >>?
> >>?
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 00:18:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: Richard Pine <rpinecorfu at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th
> To: gifford at fdu.edu, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> The articles in EB specifically marked by LD are:
>
> Abnormal Psychology
> Abraxas
> Almanac
> Archimedes
> Arrhenius
> Asia
> Astrology
> Astronomy
> Calendar
> (Central America - May)
> (Chronology - Maya)
> Circle
> Comparative Ethics
> Confucius
> Cone
> Constellation
> Cosmogony
> Egypt
> Equation of Time
> Geodesy
> Geometry (and Line Geometry)
> Indian Philosophy
> Infinity
> Lhasa
> Limit
> Mayan Calendar
> Mayan Culture
> Menstruation
> Nashe
> Number & Numerals
> Observatory
> Palmistry
> Ptolemy
> Serpents
> Sphere
> Stoics
> Zero
> Tibet
> Tides
> Time
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 12:50:12 AM
> Subject: [ilds] Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Peter Kropotkin wrote the "Anarchism" entry to the 11th edition in 1905
> (Wilde even quotes Kropotkin, without reference, in "The Soul of Man
> Under Socialism").
>
> As I understand it, the 14th edition (which Durrell had on Corfu) was
> largely a reversion to the 11th edition that added new entries and made
> cuts to existing entries.? If you have access, I'd appreciate it!!? I
> can get it online through my library, but it doesn't allow the
> comparison between past editions.
>
> I believe the DSC Library has the 14th edition on its shelves too.
>
> Thanks!
> James
>
> On 28/01/11 2:38 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > Tell me which entry in the 11th ed. of /EB,/ I'll check it for you.
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:21 PM, James Gifford wrote:
> >
> >> On 27/01/11 6:57 AM, gkoger at mindspring.com
> >> <mailto:gkoger at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>> And for those who haven't read Tunc and Nunquam, get busy! They're the
> >>> most consistently underrated of Durrell's novels and deserve more
> >>> attention. I'm not qualified to undertake a chapter-by-chapter analysis
> >>> of them, but perhaps someone else could this summer.
> >>
> >> Do I sense another reading group coming on? I'd enjoy that, and Tunc
> >> and Nunquam have been favourites of mine. Great suggestion, Grove!
> >> Let's plan for it this summer.
> >>
> >> I'm of the (perhaps heretical) opinion that these are more political
> >> works than they let on, and that they show much about Durrell's 1930s
> >> and 40s activities that can otherwise be overlooked.
> >>
> >> Caradoc's speech is grand, but I'm always struck by the inexplicable
> >> ending to /Nunquam/... I can't help but think of Durrell's publications
> >> in the anarchist press (NOW, New Road, Experimental Review, the New
> >> Apocalypse books, and so forth) and the ease with which an
> >> antiauthoritarian interpretation of his poetics can be made. Add to
> >> that mix the language of /Nunquam/'s last two pages 282-283 (law,
> >> authority, command, contractual obligation, and the fall of the state):
> >>
> >> "which satisfied the law."
> >>
> >> "the prophecy of Zeno has been occupying me, preoccupying me very much.
> >> Indeed I now feel it less as a prophecy than as a sort of command,
> >> from myself to myself"
> >>
> >> "People will be afraid to take advantage of the fact that they have no
> >> contractual obligations."
> >>
> >> "we have been dancing, dancing in complete happiness and accord.... even
> >> though Rome burns."
> >>
> >> I may be just spotting things I'm looking for in other 1930s writers at
> >> the moment (Duncan, Rexroth, Miller, Leite, Woodcock, and others who are
> >> explicit about their anarchism and its influence on their style), but I
> >> can't help but see /The Revolt of Aphrodite/ through a perspective that
> >> asks about its implicit critique of corporatism and coercion in those
> >> terms. Certainly Durrell's vision isn't like Palahniuk's /Fight Club/,
> >> but there's something kindred. The state (Rome) falls, contracts end,
> >> law is obscured, yet the folks are in peace and accord, relying instead
> >> on their word and sociability.
> >>
> >> The "Tunc aut Nunquam" moment is also cast in unusual terms for Durrell:
> >>
> >> "Either everything will disintegrate, the Firm will begin to dissolve;
> >> or else nothing, Mr. Felix, absolutely nothing."
> >>
> >> The Zeno prophecy first appears on pages 231-2, and this Zeno is a Greek
> >> clerk who has visions (his vision is of the novel's ending and the
> >> destruction of coercion and obligation). However, I can't help but take
> >> the reference to Zeno (and can a Classicist on here correct me?!
> >> Bruce?) as potentially a gesture to Kropotkin's entry in the
> >> Encyclopaedia Britannics's 11th edition (same entry for Durrell's 14th
> >> edition? I know the 14th was based on the 11th edition):
> >>
> >> "The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno
> >> [...] who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community without
> >> government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence
> >> of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the
> >> sovereignty of the moral law of the individual -- remarking already
> >> that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to
> >> egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with
> >> another instinct -- that of sociability. When men are reasonable enough
> >> to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the frontiers
> >> and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or
> >> police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money --
> >> free gifts taking the place of the exchanges."
> >>
> >> I think Plutarch describes Zeno failing to kill the tyrant Demylus so
> >> that "with his own teeth bit off his tongue, he spit it in the tyrant?s
> >> face."
> >>
> >> I'm retracing some poetic networks that ran contrary to the Auden
> >> Generation, and most have an anarchist politics, so I may just have this
> >> in my head at the moment. Still, it seems like some anti-state or
> >> antiauthoritarian sentiments (which isn't so far from Durrell's open
> >> poetics) are present here.
> >>
> >> At any rate, those are the things that have been occupying my mind
> >> lately with /The Revolt of Aphrodite/... What say y'all?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> James
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 08:37:01 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Names
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Message-ID: <286854BA-DB3C-48AB-94B5-222B370F4E16 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> I would swear that it was.  So much for memory.
>
>
> BR
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Richard Pine wrote:
>
> > Wasn't me! RP
> >
> > From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > To: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 11:20:13 PM
> > Subject: [ilds] Names
> >
> > Pursewarden.  Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that Ludwig's
> surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum.  Or maybe I just have a dirty
> mind.  Bill Godshalk can confirm this, either way.  The OED, however, cites
> "scrotum" as a Renaissance meaning of purse.  Cf. Iago's "Who steals my
> purse steals trash," where "purse," given Iago's lewd mind, probably refers
> to more than coins.
> >
> > Mountolive.  New Testament "Mount of Olives," associated with Christ's
> Passion and possibly the Garden of Gethsemane?  Not clear how this applies
> to Sir David, unless you want to argue that in the Quartet the ambassador
> has his own Passion or passions to deal with.  This may be Durrell being
> whimsical and irreverent.  Still, a good name.
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
> >
> >> Meta,
> >>
> >> thanks for news about the Villa Cleobolus, sad though it is. I have been
> able to find Larry's other houses on Google Earth, but not the one in
> Rhodes. insidently, a Greek friend of mine reckons that Rhodes is the most
> beautiful island in the world which certainly comes through in the Marine
> Venus.
> >>
> >> To the names in Dark Labyrinth, yes the names imply the characters
> >>
> >> Graecen - the graceful and mannered lord.
> >> Campion - Champion, the hero of the piece - the shit stirring artist
> rebel type
> >> Fearmax - the enigmatic, withdrawn magician (maximum fear)
> >> The Truman's - true, honest ordinary people who achieve a mountain
> utopia (Durrell's hearkening back to his Indian Himalayan experiences)
> >>
> >> etc etc
> >>
> >> we recall in 18th century  English Lit characters like Squire Booby (a
> booby being an ignorant boor) or squire Weston, he from the west country, a
> land of rowdy, drunken cider drinkers, the lord be good to them.
> >>
> >> I also wonder about Quartet characters - Pursewarden for example (money
> guard) or Mountolive - who was Olive???
> >>
> >> David Green
> >> Terra Australis Incognito
> >>
> >> From: Meta Cerar
> >> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> >> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> >> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >>
> >> Actually there are more ?18th century? names in the Dark Labyrinth, like
> TRUMAN for example. What an appropriate name for someone who ends up on the
> Roof of the World, which I agree is one of the most magnificent chapters in
> Durrell's entire opus, as one of the list members wrote recently.
> >>
> >> If anyone on the list knows of an article concerning the Cefalu or Dark
> Labyrinth  names, I would be greatly interested. I am currently translating
> Dark Labyrinth into Slovenian ? to be published at the 100th anniversary of
> his birth (February 2012) ? and would love to include this symbolism into
> the preface of the book.
> >>
> >> I would also be grateful for any information on reviews or articles on
> this particular book, which I greatly enjoy working on although L.D.
> dismissed it as a potboiler. I think there was an article in Deus Loci about
> Otto Rank's influence on D.L. If anyone happens to be familiar with it,
> please let me know if it's worth reading.
> >>
> >> BTW, I loved the photos from Bellapais. What a great location for a
> future Durrell conference! I followed the Durrell trail throughout the
> Meditterranean but haven't been to Cyprus yet. The Villa Cleobolus and the
> ?Tree of idleness? in the old moslem graveyard in Rhodes are sadly neglected
> to my great disappointment.
> >>
> >> Looking forward to further commentaries on Dark Labyrinth,
> >>
> >> Meta Cerar,
> >> Slovenia
> >>
> >> From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On
> Behalf Of Bruce Redwine
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:43 PM
> >> To: Denise Tart & David Green; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> >> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >>
> >> Someone undoubtedly already has published an article on names in Cefalu,
> indeed throughout Durrell's fiction.  My guess is that LD sometimes chose
> them as Shakespeare did his low-life characters:   Mistress Quickly, Doll
> Tearsheet, Pistol, etc.  People are their names.  Doesn't Fearmax die of
> fright?
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:59 AM, "Denise Tart & David Green" <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I especially recommend the early chapter in Tunc describing Caradoc's
> drunken speech in front of the Parthenon. Grove
> >>>
> >>> It is probably fitting that I make a detailed literary analysis of
> Caradoc's speech - already seeing Durrell's juxtaposition of northern Celtic
> Caradoc and the  souther classical Parthenon.
> >>>
> >>> btw, has anyone studied Durrell's names? I was very intrigued by them
> when reading Dark Labyrinth recently; Fearmax, Graecen - there something
> 18th century about it.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:06:04 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> Thanks.  Fascinating.  He's plotting his literary future.  Note the
> interest in space and time.  The big interest in the Maya seems strange but
> probably has to do with their calendar and time.  I haven't checked the
> 11th, but when the 11th and 14th were published, their code had not been
> broken into, and the Maya were thought to be peaceful and Arcadian.  Perhaps
> a jungle version of the Roof of the World, if you will.  After the glyphs
> were deciphered, along with extensive archaeology, it was discovered they
> were just the opposite ? highly warlike and bloodthirsty.  Mel Gibson's
> Apocalypto is not far from the truth.  It might be a good exercise for some
> energetic graduate student to read all these articles and then compare them
> with Durrell's oeuvre.  Surely worth an article or two.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Richard Pine wrote:
>
> > The articles in EB specifically marked by LD are:
> >
> > Abnormal Psychology
> > Abraxas
> > Almanac
> > Archimedes
> > Arrhenius
> > Asia
> > Astrology
> > Astronomy
> > Calendar
> > (Central America - May)
> > (Chronology - Maya)
> > Circle
> > Comparative Ethics
> > Confucius
> > Cone
> > Constellation
> > Cosmogony
> > Egypt
> > Equation of Time
> > Geodesy
> > Geometry (and Line Geometry)
> > Indian Philosophy
> > Infinity
> > Lhasa
> > Limit
> > Mayan Calendar
> > Mayan Culture
> > Menstruation
> > Nashe
> > Number & Numerals
> > Observatory
> > Palmistry
> > Ptolemy
> > Serpents
> > Sphere
> > Stoics
> > Zero
> > Tibet
> > Tides
> > Time
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> > Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 12:50:12 AM
> > Subject: [ilds] Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th & 14th
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > Peter Kropotkin wrote the "Anarchism" entry to the 11th edition in 1905
> > (Wilde even quotes Kropotkin, without reference, in "The Soul of Man
> > Under Socialism").
> >
> > As I understand it, the 14th edition (which Durrell had on Corfu) was
> > largely a reversion to the 11th edition that added new entries and made
> > cuts to existing entries.  If you have access, I'd appreciate it!!  I
> > can get it online through my library, but it doesn't allow the
> > comparison between past editions.
> >
> > I believe the DSC Library has the 14th edition on its shelves too.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > James
> >
> > On 28/01/11 2:38 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> Tell me which entry in the 11th ed. of /EB,/ I'll check it for you.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:21 PM, James Gifford wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 27/01/11 6:57 AM, gkoger at mindspring.com
> >>> <mailto:gkoger at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>> And for those who haven't read Tunc and Nunquam, get busy! They're the
> >>>> most consistently underrated of Durrell's novels and deserve more
> >>>> attention. I'm not qualified to undertake a chapter-by-chapter
> analysis
> >>>> of them, but perhaps someone else could this summer.
> >>>
> >>> Do I sense another reading group coming on? I'd enjoy that, and Tunc
> >>> and Nunquam have been favourites of mine. Great suggestion, Grove!
> >>> Let's plan for it this summer.
> >>>
> >>> I'm of the (perhaps heretical) opinion that these are more political
> >>> works than they let on, and that they show much about Durrell's 1930s
> >>> and 40s activities that can otherwise be overlooked.
> >>>
> >>> Caradoc's speech is grand, but I'm always struck by the inexplicable
> >>> ending to /Nunquam/... I can't help but think of Durrell's publications
> >>> in the anarchist press (NOW, New Road, Experimental Review, the New
> >>> Apocalypse books, and so forth) and the ease with which an
> >>> antiauthoritarian interpretation of his poetics can be made. Add to
> >>> that mix the language of /Nunquam/'s last two pages 282-283 (law,
> >>> authority, command, contractual obligation, and the fall of the state):
> >>>
> >>> "which satisfied the law."
> >>>
> >>> "the prophecy of Zeno has been occupying me, preoccupying me very much.
> >>> Indeed I now feel it less as a prophecy than as a sort of command,
> >>> from myself to myself"
> >>>
> >>> "People will be afraid to take advantage of the fact that they have no
> >>> contractual obligations."
> >>>
> >>> "we have been dancing, dancing in complete happiness and accord....
> even
> >>> though Rome burns."
> >>>
> >>> I may be just spotting things I'm looking for in other 1930s writers at
> >>> the moment (Duncan, Rexroth, Miller, Leite, Woodcock, and others who
> are
> >>> explicit about their anarchism and its influence on their style), but I
> >>> can't help but see /The Revolt of Aphrodite/ through a perspective that
> >>> asks about its implicit critique of corporatism and coercion in those
> >>> terms. Certainly Durrell's vision isn't like Palahniuk's /Fight Club/,
> >>> but there's something kindred. The state (Rome) falls, contracts end,
> >>> law is obscured, yet the folks are in peace and accord, relying instead
> >>> on their word and sociability.
> >>>
> >>> The "Tunc aut Nunquam" moment is also cast in unusual terms for
> Durrell:
> >>>
> >>> "Either everything will disintegrate, the Firm will begin to dissolve;
> >>> or else nothing, Mr. Felix, absolutely nothing."
> >>>
> >>> The Zeno prophecy first appears on pages 231-2, and this Zeno is a
> Greek
> >>> clerk who has visions (his vision is of the novel's ending and the
> >>> destruction of coercion and obligation). However, I can't help but take
> >>> the reference to Zeno (and can a Classicist on here correct me?!
> >>> Bruce?) as potentially a gesture to Kropotkin's entry in the
> >>> Encyclopaedia Britannics's 11th edition (same entry for Durrell's 14th
> >>> edition? I know the 14th was based on the 11th edition):
> >>>
> >>> "The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno
> >>> [...] who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community without
> >>> government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence
> >>> of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the
> >>> sovereignty of the moral law of the individual -- remarking already
> >>> that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to
> >>> egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with
> >>> another instinct -- that of sociability. When men are reasonable enough
> >>> to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the frontiers
> >>> and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or
> >>> police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money --
> >>> free gifts taking the place of the exchanges."
> >>>
> >>> I think Plutarch describes Zeno failing to kill the tyrant Demylus so
> >>> that "with his own teeth bit off his tongue, he spit it in the tyrant?s
> >>> face."
> >>>
> >>> I'm retracing some poetic networks that ran contrary to the Auden
> >>> Generation, and most have an anarchist politics, so I may just have
> this
> >>> in my head at the moment. Still, it seems like some anti-state or
> >>> antiauthoritarian sentiments (which isn't so far from Durrell's open
> >>> poetics) are present here.
> >>>
> >>> At any rate, those are the things that have been occupying my mind
> >>> lately with /The Revolt of Aphrodite/... What say y'all?
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> James
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> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:27:22 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ilds] the purse
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> On 29/01/11 8:37 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>  > I would swear that it was. So much for memory.
>  >
>  >> On Jan 29, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Richard Pine wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Wasn't me! RP
>  >>
>  >>> On 28/01/11 11:20:13 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>  >>> *Pursewarden.*Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that
>  >>> Ludwig's surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum. Or maybe I
>  >>> just have a dirty mind. Bill Godshalk can confirm this
>
> Alas, looking back at the listserv's records, I find that *I* said it:
> Fri, 9 Jul 2003 17:08:36 -0400.  AJ French chimed in on this point as
> well, and Bruce showed much interest.  My goodness we've been after
> those purse strings for a long time!
>
> Still, "purse" was used by Elizabethans in this form, as Bill noted, and
> it appears in the OED with this association.  I'm intrigued to note that
> the word "purse" occurs repeatedly in relation to the mouth in /Pied
> Piper/ and /Panic Spring/ (and no, not just pursing one's lips).  I
> wonder if a collocation would turn up interesting patterns in this
> regard across Durrell's works over time.
>
> Cheers,
> James
>
>
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> Message: 30
> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:31:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: gkoger at mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> James,
>
> Thank you! Much, much to think about here. My own impression (my last
> reading was some time back) is that, as Durrell suggests, the Firm has
> always been with us. It's as if it has an existence in the DNA as well as in
> the external world. And I've always felt that the central situation isn't
> (to change the tense) now or never but now AND never. Aren't the books all
> about contradictions?
>
> Rereading may change my perceptions entirely, so a group approach would be
> another reason to look forward to summer!
>
> Grove
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Jan 28, 2011 2:21 PM
> >To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> >Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> >
> >On 27/01/11 6:57 AM, gkoger at mindspring.com wrote:
> >> And for those who haven't read Tunc and Nunquam, get busy! They're the
> >> most consistently underrated of Durrell's novels and deserve more
> >> attention. I'm not qualified to undertake a chapter-by-chapter analysis
> >> of them, but perhaps someone else could this summer.
> >
> >Do I sense another reading group coming on?  I'd enjoy that, and Tunc
> >and Nunquam have been favourites of mine.  Great suggestion, Grove!
> >Let's plan for it this summer.
> >
> >I'm of the (perhaps heretical) opinion that these are more political
> >works than they let on, and that they show much about Durrell's 1930s
> >and 40s activities that can otherwise be overlooked.
> >
> >Caradoc's speech is grand, but I'm always struck by the inexplicable
> >ending to /Nunquam/...  I can't help but think of Durrell's publications
> >in the anarchist press (NOW, New Road, Experimental Review, the New
> >Apocalypse books, and so forth) and the ease with which an
> >antiauthoritarian interpretation of his poetics can be made.  Add to
> >that mix the language of /Nunquam/'s last two pages 282-283 (law,
> >authority, command, contractual obligation, and the fall of the state):
> >
> >"which satisfied the law."
> >
> >"the prophecy of Zeno has been occupying me, preoccupying me very much.
> >  Indeed I now feel it less as a prophecy than as a sort of command,
> >from myself to myself"
> >
> >"People will be afraid to take advantage of the fact that they have no
> >contractual obligations."
> >
> >"we have been dancing, dancing in complete happiness and accord.... even
> >though Rome burns."
> >
> >I may be just spotting things I'm looking for in other 1930s writers at
> >the moment (Duncan, Rexroth, Miller, Leite, Woodcock, and others who are
> >explicit about their anarchism and its influence on their style), but I
> >can't help but see /The Revolt of Aphrodite/ through a perspective that
> >asks about its implicit critique of corporatism and coercion in those
> >terms.  Certainly Durrell's vision isn't like Palahniuk's /Fight Club/,
> >but there's something kindred.  The state (Rome) falls, contracts end,
> >law is obscured, yet the folks are in peace and accord, relying instead
> >on their word and sociability.
> >
> >The "Tunc aut Nunquam" moment is also cast in unusual terms for Durrell:
> >
> >"Either everything will disintegrate, the Firm will begin to dissolve;
> >or else nothing, Mr. Felix, absolutely nothing."
> >
> >The Zeno prophecy first appears on pages 231-2, and this Zeno is a Greek
> >clerk who has visions (his vision is of the novel's ending and the
> >destruction of coercion and obligation).  However, I can't help but take
> >the reference to Zeno (and can a Classicist on here correct me?!
> >Bruce?) as potentially a gesture to Kropotkin's entry in the
> >Encyclopaedia Britannics's 11th edition (same entry for Durrell's 14th
> >edition?  I know the 14th was based on the 11th edition):
> >
> >"The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno
> >[...] who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community without
> >government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence
> >of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the
> >sovereignty of the moral law of the individual -- remarking already
> >that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to
> >egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with
> >another instinct -- that of sociability. When men are reasonable enough
> >to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the frontiers
> >and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or
> >police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money --
> >free gifts taking the place of the exchanges."
> >
> >I think Plutarch describes Zeno failing to kill the tyrant Demylus so
> >that "with his own teeth bit off his tongue, he spit it in the tyrant?s
> >face."
> >
> >I'm retracing some poetic networks that ran contrary to the Auden
> >Generation, and most have an anarchist politics, so I may just have this
> >in my head at the moment.  Still, it seems like some anti-state or
> >antiauthoritarian sentiments (which isn't so far from Durrell's open
> >poetics) are present here.
> >
> >At any rate, those are the things that have been occupying my mind
> >lately with /The Revolt of Aphrodite/...  What say y'all?
> >
> >Best,
> >James
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> Message: 31
> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:29:21 -0800
> From: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Hi Grove,
>
> Let's consider this an aim for late April/May?  Unless, of course,
> there's a chorus from the listserv to get started right away...
>
> I'd agree about the Firm being more than simply a modern institution in
> the books -- I suppose my curiosity relates to the potential for LD to
> be talking about coercive authority in that 1968 moment (which Don Kacz
> has noted before).  Just what *is* the Firm?
>
> I'm in the midst of a long project relating to poetry networks in the
> 1930s and 40s that differ from the High Modernists and Auden group by
> virtue of antiauthoritarian politics (or Herbert Read's politics of the
> unpolitical), and Durrell's in there though he's peripheral.  That is
> certainly shaping my readerly perspective at the moment {winks eye at
> Bruce}, but it seems surprisingly easy to develop that perspective.
>
> Cheers,
> James
>
> On 29/01/11 10:31 AM, gkoger at mindspring.com wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > Thank you! Much, much to think about here. My own impression (my last
> > reading was some time back) is that, as Durrell suggests, the Firm
> > has always been with us. It's as if it has an existence in the DNA as
> > well as in the external world. And I've always felt that the central
> > situation isn't (to change the tense) now or never but now AND never.
> > Aren't the books all about contradictions?
> >
> > Rereading may change my perceptions entirely, so a group approach
> > would be another reason to look forward to summer!
> >
> > Grove
>
>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:28:48 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] the purse
> To: "gifford at fdu.edu" <gifford at fdu.edu>,        "ilds at lists.uvic.ca"
>        <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Message-ID: <47962E6D-0472-4501-BB18-850ACBFA72D2 at earthlink.net>
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> Congratulations!  RP did provide, I believe, an interesting etymology for
> Cunegonde, not of the "Candide" variety.  So at least three of us have dirty
> minds.  Durrell does encourage this kind of research.  I wonder if the women
> on this List would consider that misogyny or would dismiss it as male
> infantile behavior.
>
> BR
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2011, at 10:27 AM, James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 29/01/11 8:37 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> >> I would swear that it was. So much for memory.
> >>
> >>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Richard Pine wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wasn't me! RP
> >>>
> >>>> On 28/01/11 11:20:13 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
> >>>> *Pursewarden.*Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that
> >>>> Ludwig's surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum. Or maybe I
> >>>> just have a dirty mind. Bill Godshalk can confirm this
> >
> > Alas, looking back at the listserv's records, I find that *I* said it:
> > Fri, 9 Jul 2003 17:08:36 -0400.  AJ French chimed in on this point as
> > well, and Bruce showed much interest.  My goodness we've been after
> > those purse strings for a long time!
> >
> > Still, "purse" was used by Elizabethans in this form, as Bill noted, and
> > it appears in the OED with this association.  I'm intrigued to note that
> > the word "purse" occurs repeatedly in relation to the mouth in /Pied
> > Piper/ and /Panic Spring/ (and no, not just pursing one's lips).  I
> > wonder if a collocation would turn up interesting patterns in this
> > regard across Durrell's works over time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > James
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