[ilds] the purse

Richard Pine rpinecorfu at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 30 06:37:52 PST 2011


When I said, in the BBC documentary, that 'Cunegonde' was 'the cunt on which the 
sexual business of the world hinged', the BBC , obviously revering cant but not 
liking cunt, dubbed my voice so that what was transmitted was 'the cune on 
which...'. RP



----- Original Message ----
From: Marc Piel <marcpiel at interdesign.fr>
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 3:25:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ilds] the purse

Can I add a little uncontrived bit?

Cunégonde is a  medieval given name, derived from 
the Germanic "kühn"= daring, and "gund"=combat, 
and means "one who fears nothing. "
It was fairly common until the thirteenth century 
in Germany, Flanders and Poland. But the 
unfortunate jokes that it's pronunciation allows, 
in France, have quickly shelved it. It would seem 
that it has only been used 23 times sine 1900. The 
pronounciation suggests: idiocy, not very bright, 
candidly stupid, hollow, etc....

"Gonde" is french but "cune" is not!

Marc Piel



Le 29/01/11 22:32, Richard Pine a écrit :
> In my participation in the LD documentary in 1998 (BBC) I did suggest that
> 'Cunegonde' was a play on 'Cune' = cunt and 'gonde' = french for 'hinge'. And
> yes, there is the Candide con(sic) nection but I didn't raise (sic) this in 
the
> tv prog. RP
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bruce Redwine<bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> To: "gifford at fdu.edu"<gifford at fdu.edu>; "ilds at lists.uvic.ca"
> <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 9:28:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [ilds] the purse
>
> Congratulations!  RP did provide, I believe, an interesting etymology for
> Cunegonde, not of the "Candide" variety.  So at least three of us have dirty
> minds.  Durrell does encourage this kind of research.  I wonder if the women 
on
> this List would consider that misogyny or would dismiss it as male infantile
> behavior.
>
> BR
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2011, at 10:27 AM, James Gifford<james.d.gifford at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 29/01/11 8:37 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>>> I would swear that it was. So much for memory.
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Richard Pine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't me! RP
>>>>
>>>>> On 28/01/11 11:20:13 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>>>>> *Pursewarden.*Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that
>>>>> Ludwig's surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum. Or maybe I
>>>>> just have a dirty mind. Bill Godshalk can confirm this
>>
>> Alas, looking back at the listserv's records, I find that *I* said it:
>> Fri, 9 Jul 2003 17:08:36 -0400.  AJ French chimed in on this point as
>> well, and Bruce showed much interest.  My goodness we've been after
>> those purse strings for a long time!
>>
>> Still, "purse" was used by Elizabethans in this form, as Bill noted, and
>> it appears in the OED with this association.  I'm intrigued to note that
>> the word "purse" occurs repeatedly in relation to the mouth in /Pied
>> Piper/ and /Panic Spring/ (and no, not just pursing one's lips).  I
>> wonder if a collocation would turn up interesting patterns in this
>> regard across Durrell's works over time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> James
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