[ilds] Names

William Godshalk william.godshalk at gmail.com
Sat Jan 29 13:29:17 PST 2011


Judas was the purse warden for Jesus's little group.

Also the beggar in the tarot deck has been identified as a purse warden.

In early modern slang, a purse is a scrotum as well as a vagina and a
prophylactic sheath.
For which, see Gordon Williams dictionary of sexual language. A gem of a
book.


On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Bruce Redwine
<bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> I would swear that it was.  So much for memory.
>
>
> BR
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Richard Pine wrote:
>
> Wasn't me! RP
>
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> *From:* Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> *To:* Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> *Cc:* Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> *Sent:* Fri, January 28, 2011 11:20:13 PM
> *Subject:* [ilds] Names
>
> *Pursewarden.*  Sometime ago, R. Pine, I believe, pointed out that
> Ludwig's surname was a pun or allusion to the scrotum.  Or maybe I just have
> a dirty mind.  Bill Godshalk can confirm this, either way.  The OED,
> however, cites "scrotum" as a Renaissance meaning of purse.  Cf. Iago's "Who
> steals my purse steals trash," where "purse," given Iago's lewd mind,
> probably refers to more than coins.
>
> *Mountolive.*  New Testament "Mount of Olives," associated with Christ's
> Passion and possibly the Garden of Gethsemane?  Not clear how this applies
> to Sir David, unless you want to argue that in the *Quartet* the
> ambassador has his own Passion or passions to deal with.  This may be
> Durrell being whimsical and irreverent.  Still, a good name.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>
> Meta,
>
> thanks for news about the Villa Cleobolus, sad though it is. I have been
> able to find Larry's other houses on Google Earth, but not the one in
> Rhodes. insidently, a Greek friend of mine reckons that Rhodes is the most
> beautiful island in the world which certainly comes through in the Marine
> Venus.
>
> To the names in Dark Labyrinth, yes the names imply the characters
>
> Graecen - the graceful and mannered lord.
> Campion - Champion, the hero of the piece - the shit stirring artist rebel
> type
> Fearmax - the enigmatic, withdrawn magician (maximum fear)
> The Truman's - true, honest ordinary people who achieve a mountain utopia
> (Durrell's hearkening back to his Indian Himalayan experiences)
>
> etc etc
>
> we recall in 18th century  English Lit characters like Squire Booby (a
> booby being an ignorant boor) or squire Weston, he from the west country, a
> land of rowdy, drunken cider drinkers, the lord be good to them.
>
> I also wonder about Quartet characters - Pursewarden for example (money
> guard) or Mountolive - who was Olive???
>
> David Green
> Terra Australis Incognito
>
> *From:* Meta Cerar <meta.cerar at guest.arnes.si>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> *To:* ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
>
> Actually there are more »18th century« names in the Dark Labyrinth, like
> TRUMAN for example. What an appropriate name for someone who ends up on the
> Roof of the World, which I agree is one of the most magnificent chapters in
> Durrell's entire opus, as one of the list members wrote recently.
>
> If anyone on the list knows of an article concerning the Cefalu or Dark
> Labyrinth  names, I would be greatly interested. I am currently translating
> Dark Labyrinth into Slovenian – to be published at the 100th anniversary of
> his birth (February 2012) – and would love to include this symbolism into
> the preface of the book.
>
> I would also be grateful for any information on reviews or articles on this
> particular book, which I greatly enjoy working on although L.D. dismissed it
> as a potboiler. I think there was an article in Deus Loci about Otto Rank's
> influence on D.L. If anyone happens to be familiar with it, please let me
> know if it's worth reading.
>
> BTW, I loved the photos from Bellapais. What a great location for a future
> Durrell conference! I followed the Durrell trail throughout the
> Meditterranean but haven't been to Cyprus yet. The Villa Cleobolus and the
> »Tree of idleness« in the old moslem graveyard in Rhodes are sadly neglected
> to my great disappointment.
>
> Looking forward to further commentaries on Dark Labyrinth,
>
> Meta Cerar,
> Slovenia
>
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> *From:* ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] *On
> Behalf Of *Bruce Redwine
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:43 PM
> *To:* Denise Tart & David Green; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [ilds] What has happened to the ilds list
>
> Someone undoubtedly already has published an article on names in Cefalu,
> indeed throughout Durrell's fiction.  My guess is that LD sometimes chose
> them as Shakespeare did his low-life characters:   Mistress Quickly, Doll
> Tearsheet, Pistol, etc.  People are their names.  Doesn't Fearmax die of
> fright?
>
>
> Bruce
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:59 AM, "Denise Tart & David Green" <
> dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> I especially recommend the early chapter in Tunc describing Caradoc's
> drunken speech in front of the Parthenon. Grove
>
> It is probably fitting that I make a detailed literary analysis of
> Caradoc's speech - already seeing Durrell's juxtaposition of northern Celtic
> Caradoc and the  souther classical Parthenon.
>
> btw, has anyone studied Durrell's names? I was very intrigued by them when
> reading Dark Labyrinth recently; Fearmax, Graecen - there something 18th
> century about it.
>
> David
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