[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 46, Issue 8

Denise Tart & David Green dtart at bigpond.net.au
Mon Jan 24 11:34:28 PST 2011


What was she like?

David

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> Hi Brewster!
>
>    My most memorable moment of that conference was meeting Eve Durrell....
>
>     --Anna
>
> Dr. Anna Lillios
> Associate Professor of English
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>>>> <Smithchamberlin at aol.com> 01/24/11 12:32 PM >>>
> The Villa Cleobolus on Rhodes has a plaque reminding visitors when the
> "great Hellene" lived in that building. The ILDS conference on that island 
> was
> one of the best, as I recall. Mike Keeley was there and drank red wine
> during  David Roussell's public interview with him in a courtyard.
>    Brewster
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> 1. Re: In the  footsteps of LD (Bruce Redwine)
> 2. Re: In the footsteps of LD  (Bruce Redwine)
> 3. Re: In the footsteps of LD (Denise Tart  & David Green)
> 4. Re: Durrell and Rank and Thanks (Denise  Tart & David  Green)
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> Message:  1
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:01:09 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
> To: Durrell list <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>,  Denise Tart &  David Green
> <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> Cc: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> David,
>
> As Lea's excellent  photos show, the Greeks on Cyprus clearly value
> Durrell's contribution to the  history of the island.  So the plaque 
> commemorating
> the house where he  stayed in Bellapaix.  So too a similar remembrance on
> Corfu at  Kalami.  I wonder if Villa Cleobolus on Rhodes has a similar
> plaque.  The situation in Alexandria is far more uncertain.  The  Egyptian
> government is reluctant to make the Ambron Villa a historical  landmark ? 
> or so was
> the situation in 2007 at the Durrell Celebration in  Alex.  Dr. Mohamed
> Awad was trying to preserve the site.  Dunno what  success he's had.  Your
> comment about the semi-literate factory worker is  interesting.  Durrell's 
> name
> is known, if not much about him.  LD  left his mark on the literary
> consciousness of the eastern Mediterranean ? in  my view, somewhat like a 
> modern
> Alexander, whose conquests have turned into  myth and oral history.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2011, at  2:12 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>
>> Even in 1985, when I  went to Corfu and when both Larry and Gerry were
> alive, there was Durrell  tourism which as no doubt grown since. The 
> recently
> posted photos from Cyprus  suggest something of a Durrell trail. I guess 
> to
> gets tourists into tavernas  and buses and hotels and so on. Larry of 
> course
> was appalled by what had  happened to the Grecian islands after the war,
> the rampant development and  spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red 
> Barrel
> beer. If Larry got a lot out  Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him -
> indeed I am even acquainted with a  Greek factory worker who had heard of 
> the
> Durrells - but he had not read any  of the books due to semi illiteracy.
>>
>>  David
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Bruce  Redwine
>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
>> To: Denise Tart  & David Green ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>> Cc: Bruce Redwine
>>  Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Yes.  Durrell's house on Cyprus is not as I imagined.  Like  a childhood
> memory, I made it bigger.  I also visualized an isolated  place, on the 
> edge
> of town, as you describe, or near a promontory.   Perhaps Bellapaix has
> grown since the 1950s.  Greek islands are  extraordinarily beautiful, but 
> would
> Corfu, Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular  were it not for Durrell's books? 
> I
> think not.
>>
>>
>>  Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise  Tart & David Green wrote:
>>
>>> yes. loved the photos. from  reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged
> Larry's
>>> house to be in a  wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with
> more
>>>  vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely
> tamed
>>> wilderness even in the cities.
>>>
>>> The way  writers write about places often contains their inner souls or
>>>  extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you
> visit the
>>> place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan  Thomas's Boat
>>> House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from  his poems and stories
> - as
>>> sad and grand and as Thomasy as you  could wish. But the Thomas's
> writing is
>>> shy and introverted  whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted;
> octopus in
>>> red sauce  and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern guise.
>>>
>>> My  brother and I had excellent trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's
> Hotel,
>>> washed down by several pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the  Poem
> in
>>> October walk.
>>>
>>> DG
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>  From: "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>>> Sent:  Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:16 AM
>>> To: "ILDS Listserv"  <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>>> Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>  Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference  in
>>>> Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite  people to take a 
>>>> look
>>>> (here's the link to her LD photos on  Cyprus):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lea
>>>>  Lea Stogdale
>>>>
>>
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> Date: Sat, 22 Jan  2011 17:08:11 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
> To: Durrell list <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Cc: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> Correction.  "Turks on  Cyprus."  Bellapaix is in the Turkish sector of 
> the
> island.
>
>
> BR
>
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Bruce  Redwine wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> As Lea's excellent photos  show, the Greeks on Cyprus clearly value
> Durrell's contribution to the history  of the island.  So the plaque
> commemorating the house where he stayed in  Bellapaix.  So too a similar 
> remembrance on
> Corfu at Kalami.  I  wonder if Villa Cleobolus on Rhodes has a similar
> plaque.  The situation  in Alexandria is far more uncertain.  The Egyptian
> government is  reluctant to make the Ambron Villa a historical landmark ? 
> or so
> was the  situation in 2007 at the Durrell Celebration in Alex.  Dr. 
> Mohamed
> Awad  was trying to preserve the site.  Dunno what success he's had.  Your
> comment about the semi-literate factory worker is interesting.  Durrell's
> name is known, if not much about him.  LD left his mark on the literary
> consciousness of the eastern Mediterranean ? in my view, somewhat like a 
> modern
> Alexander, whose conquests have turned into myth and oral  history.
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> On  Jan 22, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>>
>>> Even in 1985, when I went to Corfu and when both Larry and Gerry  were
> alive, there was Durrell tourism which as no doubt grown since. The 
> recently
> posted photos from Cyprus suggest something of a Durrell trail. I  guess 
> to
> gets tourists into tavernas and buses and hotels and so on. Larry of
> course was appalled by what had happened to the Grecian islands after the 
> war,
> the rampant development and spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red 
> Barrel
> beer. If Larry got a lot out Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him -
> indeed  I am even acquainted with a Greek factory worker who had heard of 
> the
> Durrells  - but he had not read any of the books due to semi  illiteracy.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Bruce Redwine
>>>  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
>>> To: Denise Tart & David  Green ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>> Cc: Bruce Redwine
>>> Subject:  Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Yes.  Durrell's house on Cyprus is not as I imagined.   Like a childhood
> memory, I made it bigger.  I also visualized an isolated  place, on the
> edge of town, as you describe, or near a promontory.   Perhaps Bellapaix 
> has
> grown since the 1950s.  Greek islands are  extraordinarily beautiful, but
> would Corfu, Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular  were it not for Durrell's 
> books?
> I think not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan  21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>>>
>>>> yes. loved the photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always  imaged
> Larry's
>>>> house to be in a wilder more on the edge of  town type landscape with
> more
>>>> vegetation. could be an  Australian thing; this country being a barely
> tamed
>>>>  wilderness even in the cities.
>>>>
>>>> The way  writers write about places often contains their inner souls or
>
>>>> extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up  when you
> visit the
>>>> place - the only exception to this, in my  case, was Dylan Thomas's
> Boat
>>>> House at Laugharne; exactly as  I imagined it from his poems and
> stories - as
>>>> sad and grand  and as Thomasy as you could wish. But the Thomas's
> writing is
>>>>  shy and introverted whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted;
> octopus in
>>>> red sauce and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern  guise.
>>>>
>>>> My brother and I had excellent trout  and leeks for lunch at Brown's
> Hotel,
>>>> washed down by several  pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem
> in
>>>> October  walk.
>>>>
>>>> DG
>>>>
>>>>  --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From:  "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent:  Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:16 AM
>>>> To: "ILDS Listserv"  <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>>>> Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS  conference in
>>>>> Victoria.  She's continued her travels  and invite people to take a
> look
>>>>> (here's the link to her  LD photos on Cyprus):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lea
>>>>> Lea Stogdale
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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> From: "Denise Tart & David Green"  <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
> To: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>,  <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Cc: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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> Even in 1985, when I went to Corfu and when both  Larry and Gerry were
> alive, there was Durrell tourism which as no doubt grown  since. The 
> recently
> posted photos from Cyprus suggest something of a Durrell  trail. I guess 
> to
> gets tourists into tavernas and buses and hotels and so on.  Larry of 
> course
> was appalled by what had happened to the Grecian islands after  the war, 
> the
> rampant development and spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red  Barrel
> beer. If Larry got a lot out Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him -
> indeed I am even acquainted with a Greek factory worker who had heard of 
> the
> Durrells - but he had not read any of the books due to semi  illiteracy.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> From: Bruce Redwine
> Sent:  Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
> To: Denise Tart & David Green ;  ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine
> Subject: Re: [ilds] In the  footsteps of LD
>
>
> David,
>
>
> Yes.  Durrell's house on  Cyprus is not as I imagined.  Like a childhood
> memory, I made it  bigger.  I also visualized an isolated place, on the 
> edge
> of town, as you  describe, or near a promontory.  Perhaps Bellapaix has 
> grown
> since the  1950s.  Greek islands are extraordinarily beautiful, but would
> Corfu,  Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular were it not for Durrell's books? 
> I
> think  not.
>
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at  7:42 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>
>
> yes. loved the  photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged Larry's
> house to  be in a wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with more
> vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely 
> tamed
>
> wilderness even in the cities.
>
> The way writers write  about places often contains their inner souls or
> extravagant  imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you visit
> the
> place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan Thomas's Boat
> House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from his poems and  stories -
> as
> sad and grand and as Thomasy as you could wish. But  the Thomas's writing
> is
> shy and introverted whereas LD's is big  colours and extroverted; octopus
> in
> red sauce and citrus tones and  naked nymphs in modern guise.
>
> My brother and I had excellent  trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's 
> Hotel,
> washed down by several  pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem in
> October  walk.
>
> DG
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "James  Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January  22, 2011 9:16 AM
> To: "ILDS Listserv"  <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Many of  you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in
>
> Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a  look
>
> (here's the link to her LD photos on  Cyprus):
>
>
>
>
>
> Lea
>
> Lea  Stogdale
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jan  2011 09:18:15 +1100
> From: "Denise Tart & David Green"  <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Rank and  Thanks
> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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> Rony,
>
> Gordon Bowker's biography, a harsher  portrait of LD, contains 11
> references to Otto Rank. Worth a  read.
>
> David Green
>
>
> From: Rony Alfandary
> Sent: Saturday,  January 22, 2011 7:24 PM
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Subject: [ilds] Durrell  and Rank and Thanks
>
>
> Thank you all for the various lead concerning  Rank and Durrell. some of
> those i was already familiar with. i still search  for that particular 
> text
> Durrell wrote on Rank which Macniven mentions on p.  201 in his biography.
> thanks,
> rony
>
>
>
>
>
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