[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 46, Issue 8

Anna Lillios lillios at mail.ucf.edu
Mon Jan 24 09:38:33 PST 2011


Hi Brewster!

    My most memorable moment of that conference was meeting Eve Durrell....

     --Anna

Dr. Anna Lillios
Associate Professor of English
Department of English
University of Central Florida
P.O. Box 161346
Orlando, Florida 32816-1346

Phone: (407) 823-5161
FAX: (407) 823-6582
>>> <Smithchamberlin at aol.com> 01/24/11 12:32 PM >>>
The Villa Cleobolus on Rhodes has a plaque reminding visitors when the  
"great Hellene" lived in that building. The ILDS conference on that island was  
one of the best, as I recall. Mike Keeley was there and drank red wine 
during  David Roussell's public interview with him in a courtyard.
    Brewster
 
 
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: In the  footsteps of LD (Bruce Redwine)
2. Re: In the footsteps of LD  (Bruce Redwine)
3. Re: In the footsteps of LD (Denise Tart  & David Green)
4. Re: Durrell and Rank and Thanks (Denise  Tart & David  Green)


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Message:  1
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:01:09 -0800
From: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
To: Durrell list <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>,  Denise Tart &  David Green
<dtart at bigpond.net.au>
Cc: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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David,

As Lea's excellent  photos show, the Greeks on Cyprus clearly value 
Durrell's contribution to the  history of the island.  So the plaque commemorating 
the house where he  stayed in Bellapaix.  So too a similar remembrance on 
Corfu at  Kalami.  I wonder if Villa Cleobolus on Rhodes has a similar  
plaque.  The situation in Alexandria is far more uncertain.  The  Egyptian 
government is reluctant to make the Ambron Villa a historical  landmark ? or so was 
the situation in 2007 at the Durrell Celebration in  Alex.  Dr. Mohamed 
Awad was trying to preserve the site.  Dunno what  success he's had.  Your 
comment about the semi-literate factory worker is  interesting.  Durrell's name 
is known, if not much about him.  LD  left his mark on the literary 
consciousness of the eastern Mediterranean ? in  my view, somewhat like a modern 
Alexander, whose conquests have turned into  myth and oral history.


Bruce



On Jan 22, 2011, at  2:12 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:

> Even in 1985, when I  went to Corfu and when both Larry and Gerry were 
alive, there was Durrell  tourism which as no doubt grown since. The recently 
posted photos from Cyprus  suggest something of a Durrell trail. I guess to 
gets tourists into tavernas  and buses and hotels and so on. Larry of course 
was appalled by what had  happened to the Grecian islands after the war, 
the rampant development and  spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel 
beer. If Larry got a lot out  Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him - 
indeed I am even acquainted with a  Greek factory worker who had heard of the 
Durrells - but he had not read any  of the books due to semi illiteracy.
>  
>  David
>  
>  
> 
> From: Bruce  Redwine
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
> To: Denise Tart  & David Green ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine
>  Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
> 
> David,
>  
> Yes.  Durrell's house on Cyprus is not as I imagined.  Like  a childhood 
memory, I made it bigger.  I also visualized an isolated  place, on the edge 
of town, as you describe, or near a promontory.   Perhaps Bellapaix has 
grown since the 1950s.  Greek islands are  extraordinarily beautiful, but would 
Corfu, Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular  were it not for Durrell's books?  I 
think not.
> 
> 
>  Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise  Tart & David Green wrote:
> 
>> yes. loved the photos. from  reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged 
Larry's 
>> house to be in a  wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with 
more 
>>  vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely 
tamed  
>> wilderness even in the cities.
>> 
>> The way  writers write about places often contains their inner souls or 
>>  extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you 
visit the  
>> place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan  Thomas's Boat 
>> House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from  his poems and stories 
- as 
>> sad and grand and as Thomasy as you  could wish. But the Thomas's 
writing is 
>> shy and introverted  whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted; 
octopus in 
>> red sauce  and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern guise.
>> 
>> My  brother and I had excellent trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's 
Hotel,  
>> washed down by several pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the  Poem 
in 
>> October walk.
>> 
>> DG
>>  
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>  From: "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>> Sent:  Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:16 AM
>> To: "ILDS Listserv"  <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>> Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>>  Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference  in
>>> Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite  people to take a look
>>> (here's the link to her LD photos on  Cyprus):
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lea
>>>  Lea Stogdale
>>> 
> 

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 22 Jan  2011 17:08:11 -0800
From: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
To: Durrell list <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Cc: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
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Correction.  "Turks on  Cyprus."  Bellapaix is in the Turkish sector of the 
 island.


BR



On Jan 22, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Bruce  Redwine wrote:

> David,
> 
> As Lea's excellent photos  show, the Greeks on Cyprus clearly value 
Durrell's contribution to the history  of the island.  So the plaque 
commemorating the house where he stayed in  Bellapaix.  So too a similar remembrance on 
Corfu at Kalami.  I  wonder if Villa Cleobolus on Rhodes has a similar 
plaque.  The situation  in Alexandria is far more uncertain.  The Egyptian 
government is  reluctant to make the Ambron Villa a historical landmark ? or so 
was the  situation in 2007 at the Durrell Celebration in Alex.  Dr. Mohamed 
Awad  was trying to preserve the site.  Dunno what success he's had.  Your  
comment about the semi-literate factory worker is interesting.  Durrell's  
name is known, if not much about him.  LD left his mark on the literary  
consciousness of the eastern Mediterranean ? in my view, somewhat like a  modern 
Alexander, whose conquests have turned into myth and oral  history.
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> On  Jan 22, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>  
>> Even in 1985, when I went to Corfu and when both Larry and Gerry  were 
alive, there was Durrell tourism which as no doubt grown since. The  recently 
posted photos from Cyprus suggest something of a Durrell trail. I  guess to 
gets tourists into tavernas and buses and hotels and so on. Larry of  
course was appalled by what had happened to the Grecian islands after the war,  
the rampant development and spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel  
beer. If Larry got a lot out Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him - 
indeed  I am even acquainted with a Greek factory worker who had heard of the 
Durrells  - but he had not read any of the books due to semi  illiteracy.
>>  
>> David
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> From: Bruce Redwine
>>  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
>> To: Denise Tart & David  Green ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>> Cc: Bruce Redwine
>> Subject:  Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
>> 
>> David,
>>  
>> Yes.  Durrell's house on Cyprus is not as I imagined.   Like a childhood 
memory, I made it bigger.  I also visualized an isolated  place, on the 
edge of town, as you describe, or near a promontory.   Perhaps Bellapaix has 
grown since the 1950s.  Greek islands are  extraordinarily beautiful, but 
would Corfu, Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular  were it not for Durrell's books?  
I think not.
>> 
>>  
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan  21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>>  
>>> yes. loved the photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always  imaged 
Larry's 
>>> house to be in a wilder more on the edge of  town type landscape with 
more 
>>> vegetation. could be an  Australian thing; this country being a barely 
tamed 
>>>  wilderness even in the cities.
>>> 
>>> The way  writers write about places often contains their inner souls or 
 
>>> extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up  when you 
visit the 
>>> place - the only exception to this, in my  case, was Dylan Thomas's 
Boat 
>>> House at Laugharne; exactly as  I imagined it from his poems and 
stories - as 
>>> sad and grand  and as Thomasy as you could wish. But the Thomas's 
writing is 
>>>  shy and introverted whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted; 
octopus in  
>>> red sauce and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern  guise.
>>> 
>>> My brother and I had excellent trout  and leeks for lunch at Brown's 
Hotel, 
>>> washed down by several  pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem 
in 
>>> October  walk.
>>> 
>>> DG
>>> 
>>>  --------------------------------------------------
>>> From:  "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>>> Sent:  Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:16 AM
>>> To: "ILDS Listserv"  <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>>> Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>  
>>>> Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS  conference in
>>>> Victoria.  She's continued her travels  and invite people to take a 
look
>>>> (here's the link to her  LD photos on Cyprus):
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Lea
>>>> Lea Stogdale
>>>>  
>> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan  2011 09:12:19 +1100
From: "Denise Tart & David Green"  <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD
To: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>,  <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Cc: Bruce Redwine  <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
Message-ID:  <F5B4741CEF7A499683EDA6D51F91E4CD at DenisePC>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"

Even in 1985, when I went to Corfu and when both  Larry and Gerry were 
alive, there was Durrell tourism which as no doubt grown  since. The recently 
posted photos from Cyprus suggest something of a Durrell  trail. I guess to 
gets tourists into tavernas and buses and hotels and so on.  Larry of course 
was appalled by what had happened to the Grecian islands after  the war, the 
rampant development and spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red  Barrel 
beer. If Larry got a lot out Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him -  
indeed I am even acquainted with a Greek factory worker who had heard of the  
Durrells - but he had not read any of the books due to semi  illiteracy.

David




From: Bruce Redwine 
Sent:  Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
To: Denise Tart & David Green ;  ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
Cc: Bruce Redwine 
Subject: Re: [ilds] In the  footsteps of LD


David, 


Yes.  Durrell's house on  Cyprus is not as I imagined.  Like a childhood 
memory, I made it  bigger.  I also visualized an isolated place, on the edge 
of town, as you  describe, or near a promontory.  Perhaps Bellapaix has grown 
since the  1950s.  Greek islands are extraordinarily beautiful, but would 
Corfu,  Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular were it not for Durrell's books?  I 
think  not.




Bruce






On Jan 21, 2011, at  7:42 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:


yes. loved the  photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged Larry's 
house to  be in a wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with more 
vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely tamed 
 
wilderness even in the cities.

The way writers write  about places often contains their inner souls or 
extravagant  imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you visit 
the 
place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan Thomas's Boat  
House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from his poems and  stories - 
as 
sad and grand and as Thomasy as you could wish. But  the Thomas's writing 
is 
shy and introverted whereas LD's is big  colours and extroverted; octopus 
in 
red sauce and citrus tones and  naked nymphs in modern guise.

My brother and I had excellent  trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's Hotel, 
washed down by several  pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem in 
October  walk.

DG

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From: "James  Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January  22, 2011 9:16 AM
To: "ILDS Listserv"  <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of  LD


Hello all,



Many of  you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in

Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a  look

(here's the link to her LD photos on  Cyprus):





Lea

Lea  Stogdale




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Jan  2011 09:18:15 +1100
From: "Denise Tart & David Green"  <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Rank and  Thanks
To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Message-ID:  <E87F90B38BDD4640867B871675F16987 at DenisePC>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"

Rony,

Gordon Bowker's biography, a harsher  portrait of LD, contains 11 
references to Otto Rank. Worth a  read.

David Green


From: Rony Alfandary 
Sent: Saturday,  January 22, 2011 7:24 PM
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
Subject: [ilds] Durrell  and Rank and Thanks


Thank you all for the various lead concerning  Rank and Durrell. some of 
those i was already familiar with. i still search  for that particular text 
Durrell wrote on Rank which Macniven mentions on p.  201 in his biography.  
thanks,
rony







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