From alfandary at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 13:32:47 2011
From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:32:47 +0200
Subject: [ilds] I am writing a Phd. Thesis in Hebrew concerning Lawrence
 Durrell, Author in Exile and The Alexandria Quartet
Message-ID: <AANLkTim0D6LXRpN_pHQQvj-RiPtd=RXuTbp5tavHTvTr@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all, i thought i would share this with you. I am a doctoral student at
Bar Ilan University in israel and am in the process of writing a thesis in
Durrell and the Quartet. I explore the way his biographical exile is
expressed in his writing, in particular in teh Quartet, where i think he was
very much engaging in dealing with his own early  life circumstances. to the
best of my knowledge, this is the first major work on Durrell attempted in
Hebrew.
 I hope this message reach people who r interested.
Rony Alfandary
Karkur
Israel
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 19 07:50:37 2011
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:50:37 -0800
Subject: [ilds] I am writing a Phd. Thesis in Hebrew concerning Lawrence
	Durrell, Author in Exile and The Alexandria Quartet
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Good luck and best wishes.  You're in for a lot of fun.


BR



On Jan 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote:

> Hello all, i thought i would share this with you. I am a doctoral student at Bar Ilan University in israel and am in the process of writing a thesis in Durrell and the Quartet. I explore the way his biographical exile is expressed in his writing, in particular in teh Quartet, where i think he was very much engaging in dealing with his own early  life circumstances. to the best of my knowledge, this is the first major work on Durrell attempted in Hebrew.
>  I hope this message reach people who r interested.
> Rony Alfandary
> Karkur
> Israel
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
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From yaelibd at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 23:22:31 2011
From: yaelibd at gmail.com (Yael BD)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:22:31 +0200
Subject: [ilds] I am writing a Phd. Thesis in Hebrew concerning Lawrence
 Durrell, Author in Exile and The Alexandria Quartet
Message-ID: <AANLkTimNsU4+T84D-pOV-VpfLri16XW5UF8AuXyAQPTC@mail.gmail.com>

Rony Shalom,

Great to hear! (And good to hear there's another Israeli on the list.)
B'Hatzlacha with your thesis.

yael

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> Durrell and the Quartet. I explore the way his biographical exile is
> expressed in his writing, in particular in teh Quartet, where i think he
> was
> very much engaging in dealing with his own early  life circumstances. to
> the
> best of my knowledge, this is the first major work on Durrell attempted in
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> Good luck and best wishes.  You're in for a lot of fun.
>
>
> BR
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote:
>
> > Hello all, i thought i would share this with you. I am a doctoral student
> at Bar Ilan University in israel and am in the process of writing a thesis
> in Durrell and the Quartet. I explore the way his biographical exile is
> expressed in his writing, in particular in teh Quartet, where i think he was
> very much engaging in dealing with his own early  life circumstances. to the
> best of my knowledge, this is the first major work on Durrell attempted in
> Hebrew.
> >  I hope this message reach people who r interested.
> > Rony Alfandary
> > Karkur
> > Israel
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILDS mailing list
> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
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>
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From alfandary at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 22:52:17 2011
From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:52:17 +0200
Subject: [ilds] concerning Durrell and Rank
Message-ID: <AANLkTikmp-zKvceqw4ge0hQ8XW0hxqcmTi=91kgJS5Lj@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Yael and Bruce for your kind words. it is encouraging to see there
is some interest.
i am at the moment exploring the connection between Durrell and Otto Rank.
According to MacNiven, Durrell wrote an unpublished text on Rank. i wonder
if anyone here knows of its whereabouts?
thanks,
Rony
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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 08:28:25 2011
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:28:25 -0800
Subject: [ilds] concerning Durrell and Rank
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Hello Rony,

Others will surely chime in on this, but to the best of my knowledge, 
the work hasn't survived in a complete form (though there may be pieces 
held in Carbondale).  It might also be worth finding out if it was in 
the materials held by Alan G. Thomas that are now in the British 
Library.  Perhaps those who have spent a good deal of time at Carbondale 
can respond?

Durrell lost a good deal of material before leaving Greece for Egypt.

Do you perhaps mean "The Poet's Horn," which I think was on Eliot (among 
other poets) as well as psychoanalytic subjects?  I don't think there 
are more than a dozen critical works that take up Durrell's interests in 
Rank in a sustained manner, apart from Pine and MacNiven.  I also have 
not seen a copy of that text...

Cheers,
James

On 20/01/11 10:52 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote:
> Thank you Yael and Bruce for your kind words. it is encouraging to see
> there is some interest.
> i am at the moment exploring the connection between Durrell and Otto
> Rank. According to MacNiven, Durrell wrote an unpublished text on Rank.
> i wonder if anyone here knows of its whereabouts?
> thanks,
> Rony
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds

From william.godshalk at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 09:14:25 2011
From: william.godshalk at gmail.com (William Godshalk)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:14:25 -0500
Subject: [ilds] concerning Durrell and Rank
In-Reply-To: <4D39B429.5070309@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikmp-zKvceqw4ge0hQ8XW0hxqcmTi=91kgJS5Lj@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D39B429.5070309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikaoTY3r=GAiS9tdR5AX4uMajMgQv3ZOsWyfEuF@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a late arrival. No doubt your know that Durrell quotes Rank at length,
and that Nin also gets mixed into the intellectual soup.

Bill

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:28 AM, James Gifford
<james.d.gifford at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Rony,
>
> Others will surely chime in on this, but to the best of my knowledge,
> the work hasn't survived in a complete form (though there may be pieces
> held in Carbondale).  It might also be worth finding out if it was in
> the materials held by Alan G. Thomas that are now in the British
> Library.  Perhaps those who have spent a good deal of time at Carbondale
> can respond?
>
> Durrell lost a good deal of material before leaving Greece for Egypt.
>
> Do you perhaps mean "The Poet's Horn," which I think was on Eliot (among
> other poets) as well as psychoanalytic subjects?  I don't think there
> are more than a dozen critical works that take up Durrell's interests in
> Rank in a sustained manner, apart from Pine and MacNiven.  I also have
> not seen a copy of that text...
>
> Cheers,
> James
>
> On 20/01/11 10:52 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote:
> > Thank you Yael and Bruce for your kind words. it is encouraging to see
> > there is some interest.
> > i am at the moment exploring the connection between Durrell and Otto
> > Rank. According to MacNiven, Durrell wrote an unpublished text on Rank.
> > i wonder if anyone here knows of its whereabouts?
> > thanks,
> > Rony
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILDS mailing list
> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
> _______________________________________________
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From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu  Fri Jan 21 10:13:24 2011
From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:13:24 -0500
Subject: [ilds] concerning Durrell and Rank
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On 1/21/11 11:28 AM, James Gifford wrote:

>         I don't think there
>         are more than a dozen critical works that take up Durrell's interests in
>         Rank in a sustained manner, apart from Pine and MacNiven.

I will quote here from the program notes for the On Miracle Ground XVI, 
held in New Orleans (July 2010):

>         Interested in Lawrence Durrell at a very young age *Satish
>         Deshpande* decided to undertake a study of Lawrence Durrell
>         for his doctoral dissertation. *The dissertation, which is a
>         result of this study, attempts a thematic study of Lawrence
>         Durrell's works from the point of view of Otto Rank's theory
>         of Return to the Maternal Womb. *At present he is working as a
>         Professor of English at Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Marathwada
>         University, Aurangabad. His interests include Modern British
>         Literature and Applied Linguistics including English Language
>         Teaching. He has edited four books including three course
>         books on Indian Writing in English for the YCMO University in
>         Nashik as well as Understanding Absurd Drama with Prasad et
>         al. He also has to his credit a number of articles on Indian
>         Writing in English as well as a few translations from Marathi
>         to English.

Satish Deshpande's email follows here:

        satish53 at live.in

I am certain that he would welcome a scholarly query.

Good luck with your work.

Charles

-- 
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Charles L. Sligh
Assistant Professor
Department of English
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
charles-sligh at utc.edu
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From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu  Fri Jan 21 10:29:14 2011
From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:29:14 -0500
Subject: [ilds] concerning Durrell and Rank
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On 1/21/11 11:28 AM, James Gifford wrote:

>         Perhaps those who have spent a good deal of time at Carbondale
>         can respond?

Here follows "a dish of orts," highly selective and in no way 
exhaustive, but worth considering.

Charles

***

 From the MacNiven descriptive survey of the Morris Library collection:

>         A. 6, /Notes on Philosophy/.  Notebook & Scrapbook
>         illustrations pasted in.
>         DATED: January 1939,
        [various typed passages pasted in, including
        some identified as from Otto Rank's /The Trauma of Birth/]


 From James Gifford's online Durrell bibliography [Gifford, James. 
"Critical Materials on Lawrence Durrell: A Bibliographic Checklist" Online.
23 Jan 2007. <http://www.lawrencedurrell.org/bibliog/gifford.htm>]:

>         Morrison, Ray. "The Influence of Otto Rank on Lawrence
>         Durrell's The Dark Labyrinth, Sappho and The
>         Alexandria Quartet." Deus Loci: The Lawrence Durrell Quarterly
>         7, no. 5 (1984): 135-44.
>         Notes: On Miracle Ground II: Second International Lawrence
>         Durrell Conference Proceedings
>         Spencer, Sharon. "Dialogues, Drifting, and Otto Rank: A
>         Response." Deus Loci: The Lawrence Durrell
>         Quarterly 7, no. 5 (1984): 155-58.
>         Notes: On Miracle Ground II: Second International Lawrence
>         Durrell Conference Proceedings
>         Spencer, Sharon. "The Ambiguities of Incest in Lawrence
>         Durrell's Heraldic Universe: A Rankian
>         Interpretation." Twentieth Century Literature: A Scholarly and
>         Critical Journal 33, no. 4 (1987): 436-
>         48.
>         Ribera Goriz, Nuria. "Anais Nin: Writing As a Waking Dream."
>         Diss., Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona
>         (Spain), 1993.  [In the second place, a study of the Diary is
>         presented,
>         in so far as it represents an influence of primary importance
>         for the author, both in relation to
>         her view of reality, and to her literary perspective. The most
>         important authors are dealt with,
>         as well as her relationship with Otto Rank, the most relevant
>         of her analysts.]

>         Gifford, James.
>>         "The Phenomenology of Death: Considering Otto Rank, Ernest
>>         Becker and Herbert Marcuse in
>>         Lawrence Durrell's Avignon Quintet." Lawrence Durrell
>>         Revisited : Lawrence Durrell Revisit?, Ed.
>>         Corinne Alexandre-Garner, 13-38. Nanterre, France :
>>         Universit? Paris X, 2002.
>
>


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University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 11:02:45 2011
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:02:45 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
In-Reply-To: <4D39B429.5070309@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikmp-zKvceqw4ge0hQ8XW0hxqcmTi=91kgJS5Lj@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D39B429.5070309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <946D0C2F-CC12-48BC-B5C2-621D53CD29DD@earthlink.net>

Rony,

Dunno about Otto Rank.  But I have great interest in the relationship between Durrell's art and his life ? which I find very complicated.  I see a big gap between the two and am reminded of controversial figures like Bruce Chatwin and Paul de Man.  Near the end of his Big Sur book, Henry Miller writes, "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid of self eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to expunge or expiate.


Bruce



On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:28 AM, James Gifford wrote:

> Hello Rony,
> 
> Others will surely chime in on this, but to the best of my knowledge, 
> the work hasn't survived in a complete form (though there may be pieces 
> held in Carbondale).  It might also be worth finding out if it was in 
> the materials held by Alan G. Thomas that are now in the British 
> Library.  Perhaps those who have spent a good deal of time at Carbondale 
> can respond?
> 
> Durrell lost a good deal of material before leaving Greece for Egypt.
> 
> Do you perhaps mean "The Poet's Horn," which I think was on Eliot (among 
> other poets) as well as psychoanalytic subjects?  I don't think there 
> are more than a dozen critical works that take up Durrell's interests in 
> Rank in a sustained manner, apart from Pine and MacNiven.  I also have 
> not seen a copy of that text...
> 
> Cheers,
> James
> 
> On 20/01/11 10:52 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote:
>> Thank you Yael and Bruce for your kind words. it is encouraging to see
>> there is some interest.
>> i am at the moment exploring the connection between Durrell and Otto
>> Rank. According to MacNiven, Durrell wrote an unpublished text on Rank.
>> i wonder if anyone here knows of its whereabouts?
>> thanks,
>> Rony
>> 



From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan 21 11:39:58 2011
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 06:39:58 +1100
Subject: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
In-Reply-To: <946D0C2F-CC12-48BC-B5C2-621D53CD29DD@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <B79572A334B84CD2BC0024CEE1858D0B@DenisePC>

"A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid of self 
eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to expunge 
or expiate.

My dear Bruce, whatever can you mean? I thought it was all about sex!

David

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:02 AM
To: "Durrell list" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Cc: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Biography

> Rony,
>
> Dunno about Otto Rank.  But I have great interest in the relationship 
> between Durrell's art and his life ? which I find very complicated.  I see 
> a big gap between the two and am reminded of controversial figures like 
> Bruce Chatwin and Paul de Man.  Near the end of his Big Sur book, Henry 
> Miller writes, "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid of 
> self eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to 
> expunge or expiate.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
> 

From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 11:48:22 2011
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:48:22 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
In-Reply-To: <B79572A334B84CD2BC0024CEE1858D0B@DenisePC>
References: <AANLkTikmp-zKvceqw4ge0hQ8XW0hxqcmTi=91kgJS5Lj@mail.gmail.com><4D39B429.5070309@gmail.com>
	<946D0C2F-CC12-48BC-B5C2-621D53CD29DD@earthlink.net>
	<B79572A334B84CD2BC0024CEE1858D0B@DenisePC>
Message-ID: <74F18128-7962-4400-B5BD-7B709B2F03AB@earthlink.net>

David,

People make too much of sex.  When you get old enough, you realize that.


Bruce





On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:

> "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid of self 
> eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to expunge 
> or expiate.
> 
> My dear Bruce, whatever can you mean? I thought it was all about sex!
> 
> David
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:02 AM
> To: "Durrell list" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Cc: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
> 
>> Rony,
>> 
>> Dunno about Otto Rank.  But I have great interest in the relationship 
>> between Durrell's art and his life ? which I find very complicated.  I see 
>> a big gap between the two and am reminded of controversial figures like 
>> Bruce Chatwin and Paul de Man.  Near the end of his Big Sur book, Henry 
>> Miller writes, "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid of 
>> self eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to 
>> expunge or expiate.
>> 
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
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From james.d.gifford at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 14:16:39 2011
From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:16:39 -0800
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
Message-ID: <4D3A05C7.9080209@gmail.com>

Hello all,

Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in 
Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a look 
(here's the link to her LD photos on Cyprus):

http://travelea.wordpress.com/cyprus-ld-2010/

Best,
James

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: In the footsteps of LD
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:42:55 -0600
From: Lea Stogdale <leadale at mts.net>
To: Lawrence Durrell Society <gifford at uvic.ca>

Hello James,
During September-October of 2010 I visited Cyprus and the Middle East.
I have placed them into my Travel website: http://travelea.wordpress.com/
I have separated my photos and impressions about Cyprus 2010 "in the
footsteps of LD" onto the page "Cyprus LD." Please feel free to copy and
use as you wish.

Lea
Lea Stogdale


From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 15:03:57 2011
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:03:57 -0800
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
In-Reply-To: <4D3A05C7.9080209@gmail.com>
References: <4D3A05C7.9080209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10CAB466-41D6-43EE-9168-3CC7DCC648EE@earthlink.net>

Great photos.  My thanks to Lea for making them available.  They prove, however, that Durrell's poetry is superior to fact.


Bruce



On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:16 PM, James Gifford wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in 
> Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a look 
> (here's the link to her LD photos on Cyprus):
> 
> http://travelea.wordpress.com/cyprus-ld-2010/
> 
> Best,
> James
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: In the footsteps of LD
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:42:55 -0600
> From: Lea Stogdale <leadale at mts.net>
> To: Lawrence Durrell Society <gifford at uvic.ca>
> 
> Hello James,
> During September-October of 2010 I visited Cyprus and the Middle East.
> I have placed them into my Travel website: http://travelea.wordpress.com/
> I have separated my photos and impressions about Cyprus 2010 "in the
> footsteps of LD" onto the page "Cyprus LD." Please feel free to copy and
> use as you wish.
> 
> Lea
> Lea Stogdale
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From marcpiel at interdesign.fr  Fri Jan 21 16:17:37 2011
From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:17:37 +0100
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
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"They prove, however, that Durrell's poetry is 
superior to fact"

Please Bruce can you explain what you mean by that?
B.R. Marc

Le 22/01/11 00:03, Bruce Redwine a ?crit :
> They prove, however, that Durrell's poetry is superior to fact.
>

From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 21 17:54:14 2011
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:54:14 -0800
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
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Marc,

Back around 1960, when The Alexandria Quartet was perhaps the biggest sensation in English literature, if not World Lit., I recall reading a magazine story about a man who devoured Durrell's novels and then rushed to Alexandria to see the fabulous city for himself.  He got off the boat, looked around, and immediately exclaimed, "This is the place?"  That "this" should be taken in the most pejorative sense, akin to Latin iste, an expression of utter contempt.  The man was indeed sorely disappointed.  Perhaps the story is apocryphal.  Those, however, who would dismiss it as such, who say that that Alex was not the Alex of the 1940s, should read Durrell's letters to Henry Miller, written during the time he was living in Alexandria.  There you'll see that Durrell himself considered the city grubby and detestable, the worst that the Mediterranean had to offer.  LD had to escape the place, let time work its magic, and then come up with "Beloved Alexandria!"  My point ? the Alexandria of the Quartet is the city of Durrell's Romantic imagination.  That's what we enjoy ? not the fact, not the actual place.  And even I, at the tender age of seventeen, knew that to be so.


Bruce



On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Marc Piel wrote:

> "They prove, however, that Durrell's poetry is 
> superior to fact"
> 
> Please Bruce can you explain what you mean by that?
> B.R. Marc
> 
> Le 22/01/11 00:03, Bruce Redwine a ?crit :
>> They prove, however, that Durrell's poetry is superior to fact.
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan 21 19:42:00 2011
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:42:00 +1100
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
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yes. loved the photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged Larry's 
house to be in a wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with more 
vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely tamed 
wilderness even in the cities.

The way writers write about places often contains their inner souls or 
extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you visit the 
place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan Thomas's Boat 
House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from his poems and stories - as 
sad and grand and as Thomasy as you could wish. But the Thomas's writing is 
shy and introverted whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted; octopus in 
red sauce and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern guise.

My brother and I had excellent trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's Hotel, 
washed down by several pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem in 
October walk.

DG

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> Hello all,
>
> Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in
> Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a look
> (here's the link to her LD photos on Cyprus):
>
>
> Lea
> Lea Stogdale
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From alfandary at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 00:24:20 2011
From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:24:20 +0200
Subject: [ilds] Durrell and Rank and Thanks
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Thank you all for the various lead concerning Rank and Durrell. some of
those i was already familiar with. i still search for that particular text
Durrell wrote on Rank which Macniven mentions on p. 201 in his biography.
thanks,
rony

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> Thank you Yael and Bruce for your kind words. it is encouraging to see
> there
> is some interest.
> i am at the moment exploring the connection between Durrell and Otto Rank.
> According to MacNiven, Durrell wrote an unpublished text on Rank. i wonder
> if anyone here knows of its whereabouts?
> thanks,
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> Hello Rony,
>
> Others will surely chime in on this, but to the best of my knowledge,
> the work hasn't survived in a complete form (though there may be pieces
> held in Carbondale).  It might also be worth finding out if it was in
> the materials held by Alan G. Thomas that are now in the British
> Library.  Perhaps those who have spent a good deal of time at Carbondale
> can respond?
>
> Durrell lost a good deal of material before leaving Greece for Egypt.
>
> Do you perhaps mean "The Poet's Horn," which I think was on Eliot (among
> other poets) as well as psychoanalytic subjects?  I don't think there
> are more than a dozen critical works that take up Durrell's interests in
> Rank in a sustained manner, apart from Pine and MacNiven.  I also have
> not seen a copy of that text...
>
> Cheers,
> James
>
> On 20/01/11 10:52 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote:
> > Thank you Yael and Bruce for your kind words. it is encouraging to see
> > there is some interest.
> > i am at the moment exploring the connection between Durrell and Otto
> > Rank. According to MacNiven, Durrell wrote an unpublished text on Rank.
> > i wonder if anyone here knows of its whereabouts?
> > thanks,
> > Rony
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:14:25 -0500
> From: William Godshalk <william.godshalk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] concerning Durrell and Rank
> To: "gifford at fdu.edu" <gifford at fdu.edu>,        "ilds at lists.uvic.ca"
>        <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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> I'm a late arrival. No doubt your know that Durrell quotes Rank at length,
> and that Nin also gets mixed into the intellectual soup.
>
> Bill
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:28 AM, James Gifford
> <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hello Rony,
> >
> > Others will surely chime in on this, but to the best of my knowledge,
> > the work hasn't survived in a complete form (though there may be pieces
> > held in Carbondale).  It might also be worth finding out if it was in
> > the materials held by Alan G. Thomas that are now in the British
> > Library.  Perhaps those who have spent a good deal of time at Carbondale
> > can respond?
> >
> > Durrell lost a good deal of material before leaving Greece for Egypt.
> >
> > Do you perhaps mean "The Poet's Horn," which I think was on Eliot (among
> > other poets) as well as psychoanalytic subjects?  I don't think there
> > are more than a dozen critical works that take up Durrell's interests in
> > Rank in a sustained manner, apart from Pine and MacNiven.  I also have
> > not seen a copy of that text...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > James
> >
> > On 20/01/11 10:52 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote:
> > > Thank you Yael and Bruce for your kind words. it is encouraging to see
> > > there is some interest.
> > > i am at the moment exploring the connection between Durrell and Otto
> > > Rank. According to MacNiven, Durrell wrote an unpublished text on Rank.
> > > i wonder if anyone here knows of its whereabouts?
> > > thanks,
> > > Rony
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> From: Charles Sligh <Charles-Sligh at utc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] concerning Durrell and Rank
> To: gifford at fdu.edu, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: James Gifford <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
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> On 1/21/11 11:28 AM, James Gifford wrote:
>
> >         I don't think there
> >         are more than a dozen critical works that take up Durrell's
> interests in
> >         Rank in a sustained manner, apart from Pine and MacNiven.
>
> I will quote here from the program notes for the On Miracle Ground XVI,
> held in New Orleans (July 2010):
>
> >         Interested in Lawrence Durrell at a very young age *Satish
> >         Deshpande* decided to undertake a study of Lawrence Durrell
> >         for his doctoral dissertation. *The dissertation, which is a
> >         result of this study, attempts a thematic study of Lawrence
> >         Durrell's works from the point of view of Otto Rank's theory
> >         of Return to the Maternal Womb. *At present he is working as a
> >         Professor of English at Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Marathwada
> >         University, Aurangabad. His interests include Modern British
> >         Literature and Applied Linguistics including English Language
> >         Teaching. He has edited four books including three course
> >         books on Indian Writing in English for the YCMO University in
> >         Nashik as well as Understanding Absurd Drama with Prasad et
> >         al. He also has to his credit a number of articles on Indian
> >         Writing in English as well as a few translations from Marathi
> >         to English.
>
> Satish Deshpande's email follows here:
>
>        satish53 at live.in
>
> I am certain that he would welcome a scholarly query.
>
> Good luck with your work.
>
> Charles
>
> --
> ********************************************
> Charles L. Sligh
> Assistant Professor
> Department of English
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
> charles-sligh at utc.edu
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> From: Charles Sligh <Charles-Sligh at utc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] concerning Durrell and Rank
> To: gifford at fdu.edu, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> On 1/21/11 11:28 AM, James Gifford wrote:
>
> >         Perhaps those who have spent a good deal of time at Carbondale
> >         can respond?
>
> Here follows "a dish of orts," highly selective and in no way
> exhaustive, but worth considering.
>
> Charles
>
> ***
>
>  From the MacNiven descriptive survey of the Morris Library collection:
>
> >         A. 6, /Notes on Philosophy/.  Notebook & Scrapbook
> >         illustrations pasted in.
> >         DATED: January 1939,
>        [various typed passages pasted in, including
>        some identified as from Otto Rank's /The Trauma of Birth/]
>
>
>  From James Gifford's online Durrell bibliography [Gifford, James.
> "Critical Materials on Lawrence Durrell: A Bibliographic Checklist" Online.
> 23 Jan 2007. <http://www.lawrencedurrell.org/bibliog/gifford.htm>]:
>
> >         Morrison, Ray. "The Influence of Otto Rank on Lawrence
> >         Durrell's The Dark Labyrinth, Sappho and The
> >         Alexandria Quartet." Deus Loci: The Lawrence Durrell Quarterly
> >         7, no. 5 (1984): 135-44.
> >         Notes: On Miracle Ground II: Second International Lawrence
> >         Durrell Conference Proceedings
> >         Spencer, Sharon. "Dialogues, Drifting, and Otto Rank: A
> >         Response." Deus Loci: The Lawrence Durrell
> >         Quarterly 7, no. 5 (1984): 155-58.
> >         Notes: On Miracle Ground II: Second International Lawrence
> >         Durrell Conference Proceedings
> >         Spencer, Sharon. "The Ambiguities of Incest in Lawrence
> >         Durrell's Heraldic Universe: A Rankian
> >         Interpretation." Twentieth Century Literature: A Scholarly and
> >         Critical Journal 33, no. 4 (1987): 436-
> >         48.
> >         Ribera Goriz, Nuria. "Anais Nin: Writing As a Waking Dream."
> >         Diss., Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona
> >         (Spain), 1993.  [In the second place, a study of the Diary is
> >         presented,
> >         in so far as it represents an influence of primary importance
> >         for the author, both in relation to
> >         her view of reality, and to her literary perspective. The most
> >         important authors are dealt with,
> >         as well as her relationship with Otto Rank, the most relevant
> >         of her analysts.]
>
> >         Gifford, James.
> >>         "The Phenomenology of Death: Considering Otto Rank, Ernest
> >>         Becker and Herbert Marcuse in
> >>         Lawrence Durrell's Avignon Quintet." Lawrence Durrell
> >>         Revisited : Lawrence Durrell Revisit?, Ed.
> >>         Corinne Alexandre-Garner, 13-38. Nanterre, France :
> >>         Universit? Paris X, 2002.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> ********************************************
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> Assistant Professor
> Department of English
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
> charles-sligh at utc.edu
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> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
> To: Durrell list <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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> Rony,
>
> Dunno about Otto Rank.  But I have great interest in the relationship
> between Durrell's art and his life ? which I find very complicated.  I see a
> big gap between the two and am reminded of controversial figures like Bruce
> Chatwin and Paul de Man.  Near the end of his Big Sur book, Henry Miller
> writes, "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid of self
> eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to expunge
> or expiate.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:28 AM, James Gifford wrote:
>
> > Hello Rony,
> >
> > Others will surely chime in on this, but to the best of my knowledge,
> > the work hasn't survived in a complete form (though there may be pieces
> > held in Carbondale).  It might also be worth finding out if it was in
> > the materials held by Alan G. Thomas that are now in the British
> > Library.  Perhaps those who have spent a good deal of time at Carbondale
> > can respond?
> >
> > Durrell lost a good deal of material before leaving Greece for Egypt.
> >
> > Do you perhaps mean "The Poet's Horn," which I think was on Eliot (among
> > other poets) as well as psychoanalytic subjects?  I don't think there
> > are more than a dozen critical works that take up Durrell's interests in
> > Rank in a sustained manner, apart from Pine and MacNiven.  I also have
> > not seen a copy of that text...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > James
> >
> > On 20/01/11 10:52 PM, Rony Alfandary wrote:
> >> Thank you Yael and Bruce for your kind words. it is encouraging to see
> >> there is some interest.
> >> i am at the moment exploring the connection between Durrell and Otto
> >> Rank. According to MacNiven, Durrell wrote an unpublished text on Rank.
> >> i wonder if anyone here knows of its whereabouts?
> >> thanks,
> >> Rony
> >>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 06:39:58 +1100
> From: "Denise Tart & David Green" <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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> "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid of self
> eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to expunge
> or expiate.
>
> My dear Bruce, whatever can you mean? I thought it was all about sex!
>
> David
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:02 AM
> To: "Durrell list" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Cc: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
>
> > Rony,
> >
> > Dunno about Otto Rank.  But I have great interest in the relationship
> > between Durrell's art and his life ? which I find very complicated.  I
> see
> > a big gap between the two and am reminded of controversial figures like
> > Bruce Chatwin and Paul de Man.  Near the end of his Big Sur book, Henry
> > Miller writes, "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid
> of
> > self eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to
> > expunge or expiate.
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:48:22 -0800
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
> To: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>,
>        ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Message-ID: <74F18128-7962-4400-B5BD-7B709B2F03AB at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> David,
>
> People make too much of sex.  When you get old enough, you realize that.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>
> > "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid of self
> > eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to
> expunge
> > or expiate.
> >
> > My dear Bruce, whatever can you mean? I thought it was all about sex!
> >
> > David
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:02 AM
> > To: "Durrell list" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> > Cc: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell and Biography
> >
> >> Rony,
> >>
> >> Dunno about Otto Rank.  But I have great interest in the relationship
> >> between Durrell's art and his life ? which I find very complicated.  I
> see
> >> a big gap between the two and am reminded of controversial figures like
> >> Bruce Chatwin and Paul de Man.  Near the end of his Big Sur book, Henry
> >> Miller writes, "A man writes in order to know himself, and thus get rid
> of
> >> self eventually."  Like Chatwin and de Man, Durrell had a few things to
> >> expunge or expiate.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILDS mailing list
> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
>
>
>
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From marcpiel at interdesign.fr  Sat Jan 22 07:27:24 2011
From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:27:24 +0100
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
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Thanks Bruce for such an explicit explanation.
Now I understand       THIS.... = Is this really 
the place?

It is interesting for me to understand that when I 
went to Alex, I saw through the dirt and grime and 
found the bits that are in the AQ. Seeing is in 
the eye of the viewer! Maybe the same goes for 
writing?
B.R.
Marc

Le 22/01/11 02:54, Bruce Redwine a ?crit :
> Marc,
>
> Back around 1960, when /The Alexandria Quartet/ was perhaps the biggest
> sensation in English literature, if not World Lit., I recall reading a
> magazine story about a man who devoured Durrell's novels and then rushed
> to Alexandria to see the fabulous city for himself. He got off the boat,
> looked around, and immediately exclaimed, /"This/ is the place?" That
> /"this"/ should be taken in the most pejorative sense, akin to Latin
> /iste, /an expression of utter contempt. The man was indeed sorely
> disappointed. Perhaps the story is apocryphal. Those, however, who would
> dismiss it as such, who say that that Alex was not the Alex of the
> 1940s, should read Durrell's letters to Henry Miller, written during the
> time he was living in Alexandria. There you'll see that Durrell himself
> considered the city grubby and detestable, the worst that the
> Mediterranean had to offer. LD had to escape the place, let time work
> its magic, and then come up with "Beloved Alexandria!" My point ? the
> Alexandria of the /Quartet/ is the city of Durrell's Romantic
> imagination. That's what we enjoy ? not the fact, not the actual place.
> And even I, at the tender age of seventeen, knew that to be so.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Marc Piel wrote:
>
>> "They prove, however, that Durrell's poetry is
>> superior to fact"
>>
>> Please Bruce can you explain what you mean by that?
>> B.R. Marc
>>
>> Le 22/01/11 00:03, Bruce Redwine a ?crit :
>>> They prove, however, that Durrell's poetry is superior to fact.
>>>
>
>
>
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 22 09:31:46 2011
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:31:46 -0800
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
In-Reply-To: <9D829CD4B56F485A9FCEDA06B3F485C6@DenisePC>
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David,

Yes.  Durrell's house on Cyprus is not as I imagined.  Like a childhood memory, I made it bigger.  I also visualized an isolated place, on the edge of town, as you describe, or near a promontory.  Perhaps Bellapaix has grown since the 1950s.  Greek islands are extraordinarily beautiful, but would Corfu, Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular were it not for Durrell's books?  I think not.


Bruce



On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:

> yes. loved the photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged Larry's 
> house to be in a wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with more 
> vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely tamed 
> wilderness even in the cities.
> 
> The way writers write about places often contains their inner souls or 
> extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you visit the 
> place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan Thomas's Boat 
> House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from his poems and stories - as 
> sad and grand and as Thomasy as you could wish. But the Thomas's writing is 
> shy and introverted whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted; octopus in 
> red sauce and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern guise.
> 
> My brother and I had excellent trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's Hotel, 
> washed down by several pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem in 
> October walk.
> 
> DG
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:16 AM
> To: "ILDS Listserv" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
> Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in
>> Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a look
>> (here's the link to her LD photos on Cyprus):
>> 
>> 
>> Lea
>> Lea Stogdale
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 22 17:01:09 2011
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:01:09 -0800
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
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David,

As Lea's excellent photos show, the Greeks on Cyprus clearly value Durrell's contribution to the history of the island.  So the plaque commemorating the house where he stayed in Bellapaix.  So too a similar remembrance on Corfu at Kalami.  I wonder if Villa Cleobolus on Rhodes has a similar plaque.  The situation in Alexandria is far more uncertain.  The Egyptian government is reluctant to make the Ambron Villa a historical landmark ? or so was the situation in 2007 at the Durrell Celebration in Alex.  Dr. Mohamed Awad was trying to preserve the site.  Dunno what success he's had.  Your comment about the semi-literate factory worker is interesting.  Durrell's name is known, if not much about him.  LD left his mark on the literary consciousness of the eastern Mediterranean ? in my view, somewhat like a modern Alexander, whose conquests have turned into myth and oral history.


Bruce



On Jan 22, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:

> Even in 1985, when I went to Corfu and when both Larry and Gerry were alive, there was Durrell tourism which as no doubt grown since. The recently posted photos from Cyprus suggest something of a Durrell trail. I guess to gets tourists into tavernas and buses and hotels and so on. Larry of course was appalled by what had happened to the Grecian islands after the war, the rampant development and spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel beer. If Larry got a lot out Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him - indeed I am even acquainted with a Greek factory worker who had heard of the Durrells - but he had not read any of the books due to semi illiteracy.
>  
> David
>  
>  
> 
> From: Bruce Redwine
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
> To: Denise Tart & David Green ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Bruce Redwine
> Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
> 
> David,
> 
> Yes.  Durrell's house on Cyprus is not as I imagined.  Like a childhood memory, I made it bigger.  I also visualized an isolated place, on the edge of town, as you describe, or near a promontory.  Perhaps Bellapaix has grown since the 1950s.  Greek islands are extraordinarily beautiful, but would Corfu, Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular were it not for Durrell's books?  I think not.
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
> 
>> yes. loved the photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged Larry's 
>> house to be in a wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with more 
>> vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely tamed 
>> wilderness even in the cities.
>> 
>> The way writers write about places often contains their inner souls or 
>> extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you visit the 
>> place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan Thomas's Boat 
>> House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from his poems and stories - as 
>> sad and grand and as Thomasy as you could wish. But the Thomas's writing is 
>> shy and introverted whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted; octopus in 
>> red sauce and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern guise.
>> 
>> My brother and I had excellent trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's Hotel, 
>> washed down by several pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem in 
>> October walk.
>> 
>> DG
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:16 AM
>> To: "ILDS Listserv" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>> Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in
>>> Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a look
>>> (here's the link to her LD photos on Cyprus):
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lea
>>> Lea Stogdale
>>> 
> 

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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 22 17:08:11 2011
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:08:11 -0800
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
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Correction.  "Turks on Cyprus."  Bellapaix is in the Turkish sector of the island.


BR



On Jan 22, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:

> David,
> 
> As Lea's excellent photos show, the Greeks on Cyprus clearly value Durrell's contribution to the history of the island.  So the plaque commemorating the house where he stayed in Bellapaix.  So too a similar remembrance on Corfu at Kalami.  I wonder if Villa Cleobolus on Rhodes has a similar plaque.  The situation in Alexandria is far more uncertain.  The Egyptian government is reluctant to make the Ambron Villa a historical landmark ? or so was the situation in 2007 at the Durrell Celebration in Alex.  Dr. Mohamed Awad was trying to preserve the site.  Dunno what success he's had.  Your comment about the semi-literate factory worker is interesting.  Durrell's name is known, if not much about him.  LD left his mark on the literary consciousness of the eastern Mediterranean ? in my view, somewhat like a modern Alexander, whose conquests have turned into myth and oral history.
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
> 
>> Even in 1985, when I went to Corfu and when both Larry and Gerry were alive, there was Durrell tourism which as no doubt grown since. The recently posted photos from Cyprus suggest something of a Durrell trail. I guess to gets tourists into tavernas and buses and hotels and so on. Larry of course was appalled by what had happened to the Grecian islands after the war, the rampant development and spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel beer. If Larry got a lot out Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him - indeed I am even acquainted with a Greek factory worker who had heard of the Durrells - but he had not read any of the books due to semi illiteracy.
>>  
>> David
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: Bruce Redwine
>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
>> To: Denise Tart & David Green ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>> Cc: Bruce Redwine
>> Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> Yes.  Durrell's house on Cyprus is not as I imagined.  Like a childhood memory, I made it bigger.  I also visualized an isolated place, on the edge of town, as you describe, or near a promontory.  Perhaps Bellapaix has grown since the 1950s.  Greek islands are extraordinarily beautiful, but would Corfu, Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular were it not for Durrell's books?  I think not.
>> 
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>> 
>>> yes. loved the photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged Larry's 
>>> house to be in a wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with more 
>>> vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely tamed 
>>> wilderness even in the cities.
>>> 
>>> The way writers write about places often contains their inner souls or 
>>> extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you visit the 
>>> place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan Thomas's Boat 
>>> House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from his poems and stories - as 
>>> sad and grand and as Thomasy as you could wish. But the Thomas's writing is 
>>> shy and introverted whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted; octopus in 
>>> red sauce and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern guise.
>>> 
>>> My brother and I had excellent trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's Hotel, 
>>> washed down by several pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem in 
>>> October walk.
>>> 
>>> DG
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:16 AM
>>> To: "ILDS Listserv" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>>> Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in
>>>> Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a look
>>>> (here's the link to her LD photos on Cyprus):
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Lea
>>>> Lea Stogdale
>>>> 
>> 
> 

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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 22 14:12:19 2011
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:12:19 +1100
Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD
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Even in 1985, when I went to Corfu and when both Larry and Gerry were alive, there was Durrell tourism which as no doubt grown since. The recently posted photos from Cyprus suggest something of a Durrell trail. I guess to gets tourists into tavernas and buses and hotels and so on. Larry of course was appalled by what had happened to the Grecian islands after the war, the rampant development and spread of fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel beer. If Larry got a lot out Greece, then Greece got a lot out of him - indeed I am even acquainted with a Greek factory worker who had heard of the Durrells - but he had not read any of the books due to semi illiteracy.

David




From: Bruce Redwine 
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:31 AM
To: Denise Tart & David Green ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
Cc: Bruce Redwine 
Subject: Re: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD


David, 


Yes.  Durrell's house on Cyprus is not as I imagined.  Like a childhood memory, I made it bigger.  I also visualized an isolated place, on the edge of town, as you describe, or near a promontory.  Perhaps Bellapaix has grown since the 1950s.  Greek islands are extraordinarily beautiful, but would Corfu, Rhodes, or Cyprus be as popular were it not for Durrell's books?  I think not.




Bruce






On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:


  yes. loved the photos. from reading Bitter Lemons I always imaged Larry's 
  house to be in a wilder more on the edge of town type landscape with more 
  vegetation. could be an Australian thing; this country being a barely tamed 
  wilderness even in the cities.

  The way writers write about places often contains their inner souls or 
  extravagant imaginations which cannot always be picked up when you visit the 
  place - the only exception to this, in my case, was Dylan Thomas's Boat 
  House at Laugharne; exactly as I imagined it from his poems and stories - as 
  sad and grand and as Thomasy as you could wish. But the Thomas's writing is 
  shy and introverted whereas LD's is big colours and extroverted; octopus in 
  red sauce and citrus tones and naked nymphs in modern guise.

  My brother and I had excellent trout and leeks for lunch at Brown's Hotel, 
  washed down by several pints of brown Welsh beer. We then did the Poem in 
  October walk.

  DG

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "James Gifford" <james.d.gifford at gmail.com>
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:16 AM
  To: "ILDS Listserv" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
  Subject: [ilds] In the footsteps of LD


    Hello all,



    Many of you may remember Lea Stogdale from the ILDS conference in

    Victoria.  She's continued her travels and invite people to take a look

    (here's the link to her LD photos on Cyprus):





    Lea

    Lea Stogdale




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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 22 14:18:15 2011
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:18:15 +1100
Subject: [ilds] Durrell and Rank and Thanks
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Rony,

Gordon Bowker's biography, a harsher portrait of LD, contains 11 references to Otto Rank. Worth a read.

David Green


From: Rony Alfandary 
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:24 PM
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
Subject: [ilds] Durrell and Rank and Thanks


Thank you all for the various lead concerning Rank and Durrell. some of those i was already familiar with. i still search for that particular text Durrell wrote on Rank which Macniven mentions on p. 201 in his biography. 
thanks,
rony







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From alfandary at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 21:54:50 2011
From: alfandary at gmail.com (Rony Alfandary)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 07:54:50 +0200
Subject: [ilds] Durrell and Rank and Thanks
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Thanks David. I am reading Bowker's and MacNiven's
biographies simultaneously and the difference emphasis is striking. i still
search for the unpublished article on Rank, I have written to MacNiven but
have not heard from him yet.
thanks,
rony
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