From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Mon Nov 1 10:39:20 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:39:20 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Well, Durrellians, Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. Ray added to that essay. And actually we have added to Ray's essay. For example, see MacNiven Letters 83, where Durrell apparently has quoted a page and a half from Middleton. It's a bit vague, but perhaps that cribbed passage is still there and asking us to i.d. it. Also Bruce has added to the number of references to last wills and testaments in Durrell's BB. If anyone has #4 Old Style of Deus Loci, please give us a brief summary of von Richtofen's essay. Thanks. Durrell says that he likes Middleton's work because it has such queer colours in it. Bill From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Mon Nov 1 11:04:35 2010 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:04:35 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> On 11/1/10 1:39 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. Happy to oblige, Bill. See attached pdf, for which I have scanned only those pages making reference to Middleton & Durrell. The remainder of Richtofen's piece treats /Tropic of Cancer/ and the /Hamlet/ letters, but not Middleton's /Blacke Booke/. This seems an opportunity missed. In my opinion, you have plenty of work to do on /The Black Book/ and /The Blacke Booke/, Bill. You know Shakespeare, Middleton, Elizabethiana, &c. better than anyone else with a working knowledge of Durrell. Go for it. My appreciation to the late Carol Peirce and Virginia Carruthers who gifted me the full run of the Old Style /Deus Loci/. Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101101/cd97efc8/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: richtofen_1980.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 284746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101101/cd97efc8/attachment.pdf From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 11:46:15 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 11:46:15 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> Message-ID: <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net> Bill and Charles, I'm not one to make fun of family names ? you live with what you've got ? but Patrick von Richtofen's does cause me to pause and recall "The Red Baron." Could this mean something? I won't speculate. Anyway, I have DL, vol. IV, no. 2 (in red cover, no less), which contains von Richtofen's "Lawrence Durrell, Prince of Denmark." I see that Charles is much quicker to the draw than I am and has already provided the relevant passages. Von Richthofen identifies Middleton's Blacke Book as a source for Durrell's Black Book and makes an interesting comment about Lucifer and the preeminent sin of pride ? the very first and most important of the Seven Deadlies, the one that subsumes all the others ? and its relevance to LD himself. I think he's right. Durrell's book reeks of pride, his own, his literary presumptuousness, sin or not. I question, however, the observation about "Durrell's essentially conservative literary and historical outlook" re the Elizabethans. My very limited sense of Durrell's love of the Elizabethans is that he admired the openness and wildness of that society ? not that 16th century England is a mirror for 20th century English vices. There I think he's wrong. I don't see Durrell ever turning his nose at a brothel. Godshalk and Pine can best weigh in on this subject. Bruce On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: > On 11/1/10 1:39 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >> Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. > Happy to oblige, Bill. See attached pdf, for which I have scanned only those pages making reference to Middleton & Durrell. > > The remainder of Richtofen's piece treats Tropic of Cancer and the Hamlet letters, but not Middleton's Blacke Booke. This seems an opportunity missed. > > In my opinion, you have plenty of work to do on The Black Book and The Blacke Booke, Bill. You know Shakespeare, Middleton, Elizabethiana, &c. better than anyone else with a working knowledge of Durrell. Go for it. > > My appreciation to the late Carol Peirce and Virginia Carruthers who gifted me the full run of the Old Style Deus Loci. > > Charles > -- > ******************************************** > Charles L. Sligh > Assistant Professor > Department of English > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > charles-sligh at utc.edu > ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101101/5b300a67/attachment.html From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Mon Nov 1 12:49:50 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:49:50 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>, <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420C@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> After a long search, I found that I do indeed have some of the early red Deus Locis. Sorry to put ya'all to the trouble, when I could have done it myself. W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Charles Sligh [Charles-Sligh at utc.edu] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:04 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others On 11/1/10 1:39 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. Happy to oblige, Bill. See attached pdf, for which I have scanned only those pages making reference to Middleton & Durrell. The remainder of Richtofen's piece treats Tropic of Cancer and the Hamlet letters, but not Middleton's Blacke Booke. This seems an opportunity missed. In my opinion, you have plenty of work to do on The Black Book and The Blacke Booke, Bill. You know Shakespeare, Middleton, Elizabethiana, &c. better than anyone else with a working knowledge of Durrell. Go for it. My appreciation to the late Carol Peirce and Virginia Carruthers who gifted me the full run of the Old Style Deus Loci. Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** From dtart at bigpond.net.au Mon Nov 1 13:03:46 2010 From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:03:46 +1100 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu><4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7267F6BF1FA6456D8A6CAE229B2C4422@DenisePC> Durrell's love of the Elizabethans is that he admired the openness and wildness of that society ? not that 16th century England is a mirror for 20th century English vices. Methinks Durrell's love of the Elizabethans was in part an antidote to 'Pudding Island 'and so The Black Book makes sense in this context. There is of course the openess and wildness of the English Language at the time before the puritans got their hands on it and changed the course of English forever; the colour and gaiety of medieval catholic Britain gradually painted over in sombre tones of Protestantism. Denise is reading 'Bitter Lemons" and finds it 'verbose'. I don't think Larry would have minded this. His writing was after all a rebellion against much of the modern writing of his time which was getting a bit grim and serious. David Pinot Gris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101102/911e4e09/attachment.html From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 15:10:07 2010 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 15:10:07 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> I should add, Richtofen's dissertation is extremely fine work, though I do disagree with some points akin to Bruce's quibbles. As for Durrell's "essentially conservative" nature, I've argued against that rather strongly: http://inscribe.iupress.org/doi/abs/10.2979/JML.2010.33.4.57 I signed an agreement not to post a copy to a listserv, but I'm free to share with colleagues for academic purposes... Cheers, James On 01/11/10 11:46 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Bill and Charles, > > I'm not one to make fun of family names ? you live with what you've got > ? but Patrick von Richtofen's does cause me to pause and recall "The Red > Baron." Could this mean something? I won't speculate. Anyway, I have > /DL,/ vol. IV, no. 2 (in red cover, no less), which contains von > Richtofen's "Lawrence Durrell, Prince of Denmark." I see that Charles is > much quicker to the draw than I am and has already provided the relevant > passages. > > Von Richthofen identifies Middleton's /Blacke Book/ as a source for > Durrell's /Black Book/ and makes an interesting comment about Lucifer > and the preeminent sin of pride ? the very first and most important of > the Seven Deadlies, the one that subsumes all the others ? and its > relevance to LD himself. I think he's right. Durrell's book reeks of > pride, his own, his literary presumptuousness, sin or not. I question, > however, the observation about "Durrell's essentially conservative > literary and historical outlook" re the Elizabethans. My very limited > sense of Durrell's love of the Elizabethans is that he admired the > openness and wildness of that society ? /_not_/ that 16th century > England is a mirror for 20th century English vices. There I think he's > wrong. I don't see Durrell ever turning his nose at a brothel. Godshalk > and Pine can best weigh in on this subject. > > > Bruce > > > > On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: > >> On 11/1/10 1:39 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >> >>> Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. >> >> Happy to oblige, Bill. See attached pdf, for which I have scanned only >> those pages making reference to Middleton & Durrell. >> >> The remainder of Richtofen's piece treats /Tropic of Cancer/ and the >> /Hamlet/ letters, but not Middleton's /Blacke Booke/. This seems an >> opportunity missed. >> >> In my opinion, you have plenty of work to do on /The Black Book/ and >> /The Blacke Booke/, Bill. You know Shakespeare, Middleton, >> Elizabethiana, &c. better than anyone else with a working knowledge of >> Durrell. Go for it. >> >> My appreciation to the late Carol Peirce and Virginia Carruthers who >> gifted me the full run of the Old Style /Deus Loci/. >> >> Charles >> -- >> ******************************************** >> Charles L. Sligh >> Assistant Professor >> Department of English >> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga >> charles-sligh at utc.edu >> ******************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 15:31:39 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:31:39 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net> <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> Message-ID: James, Quibbles? BR On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:10 PM, James Gifford wrote: > I should add, Richtofen's dissertation is extremely fine work, though I > do disagree with some points akin to Bruce's quibbles. As for Durrell's > "essentially conservative" nature, I've argued against that rather strongly: > > http://inscribe.iupress.org/doi/abs/10.2979/JML.2010.33.4.57 > > I signed an agreement not to post a copy to a listserv, but I'm free to > share with colleagues for academic purposes... > > Cheers, > James > > On 01/11/10 11:46 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >> Bill and Charles, >> >> I'm not one to make fun of family names ? you live with what you've got >> ? but Patrick von Richtofen's does cause me to pause and recall "The Red >> Baron." Could this mean something? I won't speculate. Anyway, I have >> /DL,/ vol. IV, no. 2 (in red cover, no less), which contains von >> Richtofen's "Lawrence Durrell, Prince of Denmark." I see that Charles is >> much quicker to the draw than I am and has already provided the relevant >> passages. >> >> Von Richthofen identifies Middleton's /Blacke Book/ as a source for >> Durrell's /Black Book/ and makes an interesting comment about Lucifer >> and the preeminent sin of pride ? the very first and most important of >> the Seven Deadlies, the one that subsumes all the others ? and its >> relevance to LD himself. I think he's right. Durrell's book reeks of >> pride, his own, his literary presumptuousness, sin or not. I question, >> however, the observation about "Durrell's essentially conservative >> literary and historical outlook" re the Elizabethans. My very limited >> sense of Durrell's love of the Elizabethans is that he admired the >> openness and wildness of that society ? /_not_/ that 16th century >> England is a mirror for 20th century English vices. There I think he's >> wrong. I don't see Durrell ever turning his nose at a brothel. Godshalk >> and Pine can best weigh in on this subject. >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: >> >>> On 11/1/10 1:39 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >>> >>>> Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. >>> >>> Happy to oblige, Bill. See attached pdf, for which I have scanned only >>> those pages making reference to Middleton & Durrell. >>> >>> The remainder of Richtofen's piece treats /Tropic of Cancer/ and the >>> /Hamlet/ letters, but not Middleton's /Blacke Booke/. This seems an >>> opportunity missed. >>> >>> In my opinion, you have plenty of work to do on /The Black Book/ and >>> /The Blacke Booke/, Bill. You know Shakespeare, Middleton, >>> Elizabethiana, &c. better than anyone else with a working knowledge of >>> Durrell. Go for it. >>> >>> My appreciation to the late Carol Peirce and Virginia Carruthers who >>> gifted me the full run of the Old Style /Deus Loci/. >>> >>> Charles >>> From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 15:42:19 2010 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 15:42:19 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net> <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CCF424B.2000407@gmail.com> Hi Bruce, I like quibbles... The polite jogging of points back & forth such that a fuller idea of the whole develops. Not a dispute but a disquisition, in which we might hope several things dovetail in our minds. You note that you agree with Richtofen's assessment of Middleton but: > I question, however, the observation about > "Durrell's essentially conservative literary > and historical outlook" re the Elizabethans. Would that qualify as a quibble of quality? I suspect it's worth disputing further -- I think we'd be on the same side here (contra Richtofen) but likely not in agreement with each other either. Cheers, James On 01/11/10 3:31 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > James, > > Quibbles? > > > BR > > > > On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:10 PM, James Gifford wrote: > >> I should add, Richtofen's dissertation is extremely fine work, though I >> do disagree with some points akin to Bruce's quibbles. As for Durrell's >> "essentially conservative" nature, I've argued against that rather strongly: >> >> http://inscribe.iupress.org/doi/abs/10.2979/JML.2010.33.4.57 >> >> I signed an agreement not to post a copy to a listserv, but I'm free to >> share with colleagues for academic purposes... >> >> Cheers, >> James >> >> On 01/11/10 11:46 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >>> Bill and Charles, >>> >>> I'm not one to make fun of family names ? you live with what you've got >>> ? but Patrick von Richtofen's does cause me to pause and recall "The Red >>> Baron." Could this mean something? I won't speculate. Anyway, I have >>> /DL,/ vol. IV, no. 2 (in red cover, no less), which contains von >>> Richtofen's "Lawrence Durrell, Prince of Denmark." I see that Charles is >>> much quicker to the draw than I am and has already provided the relevant >>> passages. >>> >>> Von Richthofen identifies Middleton's /Blacke Book/ as a source for >>> Durrell's /Black Book/ and makes an interesting comment about Lucifer >>> and the preeminent sin of pride ? the very first and most important of >>> the Seven Deadlies, the one that subsumes all the others ? and its >>> relevance to LD himself. I think he's right. Durrell's book reeks of >>> pride, his own, his literary presumptuousness, sin or not. I question, >>> however, the observation about "Durrell's essentially conservative >>> literary and historical outlook" re the Elizabethans. My very limited >>> sense of Durrell's love of the Elizabethans is that he admired the >>> openness and wildness of that society ? /_not_/ that 16th century >>> England is a mirror for 20th century English vices. There I think he's >>> wrong. I don't see Durrell ever turning his nose at a brothel. Godshalk >>> and Pine can best weigh in on this subject. >>> >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/1/10 1:39 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. >>>> >>>> Happy to oblige, Bill. See attached pdf, for which I have scanned only >>>> those pages making reference to Middleton& Durrell. >>>> >>>> The remainder of Richtofen's piece treats /Tropic of Cancer/ and the >>>> /Hamlet/ letters, but not Middleton's /Blacke Booke/. This seems an >>>> opportunity missed. >>>> >>>> In my opinion, you have plenty of work to do on /The Black Book/ and >>>> /The Blacke Booke/, Bill. You know Shakespeare, Middleton, >>>> Elizabethiana,&c. better than anyone else with a working knowledge of >>>> Durrell. Go for it. >>>> >>>> My appreciation to the late Carol Peirce and Virginia Carruthers who >>>> gifted me the full run of the Old Style /Deus Loci/. >>>> >>>> Charles >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Mon Nov 1 16:25:10 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 19:25:10 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net>, <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D044212@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> How long is the dissertation? Can you email it as a document? May we request a copy? W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of James Gifford [james.d.gifford at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:10 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others I should add, Richtofen's dissertation is extremely fine work, though I do disagree with some points akin to Bruce's quibbles. As for Durrell's "essentially conservative" nature, I've argued against that rather strongly: http://inscribe.iupress.org/doi/abs/10.2979/JML.2010.33.4.57 I signed an agreement not to post a copy to a listserv, but I'm free to share with colleagues for academic purposes... Cheers, James On 01/11/10 11:46 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > Bill and Charles, > > I'm not one to make fun of family names ? you live with what you've got > ? but Patrick von Richtofen's does cause me to pause and recall "The Red > Baron." Could this mean something? I won't speculate. Anyway, I have > /DL,/ vol. IV, no. 2 (in red cover, no less), which contains von > Richtofen's "Lawrence Durrell, Prince of Denmark." I see that Charles is > much quicker to the draw than I am and has already provided the relevant > passages. > > Von Richthofen identifies Middleton's /Blacke Book/ as a source for > Durrell's /Black Book/ and makes an interesting comment about Lucifer > and the preeminent sin of pride ? the very first and most important of > the Seven Deadlies, the one that subsumes all the others ? and its > relevance to LD himself. I think he's right. Durrell's book reeks of > pride, his own, his literary presumptuousness, sin or not. I question, > however, the observation about "Durrell's essentially conservative > literary and historical outlook" re the Elizabethans. My very limited > sense of Durrell's love of the Elizabethans is that he admired the > openness and wildness of that society ? /_not_/ that 16th century > England is a mirror for 20th century English vices. There I think he's > wrong. I don't see Durrell ever turning his nose at a brothel. Godshalk > and Pine can best weigh in on this subject. > > > Bruce > > > > On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: > >> On 11/1/10 1:39 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >> >>> Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. >> >> Happy to oblige, Bill. See attached pdf, for which I have scanned only >> those pages making reference to Middleton & Durrell. >> >> The remainder of Richtofen's piece treats /Tropic of Cancer/ and the >> /Hamlet/ letters, but not Middleton's /Blacke Booke/. This seems an >> opportunity missed. >> >> In my opinion, you have plenty of work to do on /The Black Book/ and >> /The Blacke Booke/, Bill. You know Shakespeare, Middleton, >> Elizabethiana, &c. better than anyone else with a working knowledge of >> Durrell. Go for it. >> >> My appreciation to the late Carol Peirce and Virginia Carruthers who >> gifted me the full run of the Old Style /Deus Loci/. >> >> Charles >> -- >> ******************************************** >> Charles L. Sligh >> Assistant Professor >> Department of English >> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga >> charles-sligh at utc.edu >> ******************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 16:51:23 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:51:23 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <4CCF424B.2000407@gmail.com> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net> <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> <4CCF424B.2000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0FB50EB9-69F0-4C4D-B728-63FE4A39ADC5@earthlink.net> James, Thanks for the clarification. I hate to quibble here, but I wouldn't call my point a "quibble." What you cite is one of von Richtofen's points, which I disagree with, and if I'm quibbling, so is he. Bill has already given a nice assessment of the attractiveness of the Elizabethan period, and I suspect some of those wild elements appealed to LD, if not to von Richtofen. I think we agree. Bruce On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, James Gifford wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > I like quibbles... The polite jogging of points back & forth such that > a fuller idea of the whole develops. Not a dispute but a disquisition, > in which we might hope several things dovetail in our minds. > > You note that you agree with Richtofen's assessment of Middleton but: > >> I question, however, the observation about >> "Durrell's essentially conservative literary >> and historical outlook" re the Elizabethans. > > Would that qualify as a quibble of quality? I suspect it's worth > disputing further -- I think we'd be on the same side here (contra > Richtofen) but likely not in agreement with each other either. > > Cheers, > James > > On 01/11/10 3:31 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >> James, >> >> Quibbles? >> >> >> BR >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:10 PM, James Gifford wrote: >> >>> I should add, Richtofen's dissertation is extremely fine work, though I >>> do disagree with some points akin to Bruce's quibbles. As for Durrell's >>> "essentially conservative" nature, I've argued against that rather strongly: >>> >>> http://inscribe.iupress.org/doi/abs/10.2979/JML.2010.33.4.57 >>> >>> I signed an agreement not to post a copy to a listserv, but I'm free to >>> share with colleagues for academic purposes... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> James >>> >>> On 01/11/10 11:46 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >>>> Bill and Charles, >>>> >>>> I'm not one to make fun of family names ? you live with what you've got >>>> ? but Patrick von Richtofen's does cause me to pause and recall "The Red >>>> Baron." Could this mean something? I won't speculate. Anyway, I have >>>> /DL,/ vol. IV, no. 2 (in red cover, no less), which contains von >>>> Richtofen's "Lawrence Durrell, Prince of Denmark." I see that Charles is >>>> much quicker to the draw than I am and has already provided the relevant >>>> passages. >>>> >>>> Von Richthofen identifies Middleton's /Blacke Book/ as a source for >>>> Durrell's /Black Book/ and makes an interesting comment about Lucifer >>>> and the preeminent sin of pride ? the very first and most important of >>>> the Seven Deadlies, the one that subsumes all the others ? and its >>>> relevance to LD himself. I think he's right. Durrell's book reeks of >>>> pride, his own, his literary presumptuousness, sin or not. I question, >>>> however, the observation about "Durrell's essentially conservative >>>> literary and historical outlook" re the Elizabethans. My very limited >>>> sense of Durrell's love of the Elizabethans is that he admired the >>>> openness and wildness of that society ? /_not_/ that 16th century >>>> England is a mirror for 20th century English vices. There I think he's >>>> wrong. I don't see Durrell ever turning his nose at a brothel. Godshalk >>>> and Pine can best weigh in on this subject. >>>> >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11/1/10 1:39 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ray Morrison got his information from Deus Loci 4 (1980) 3-11, in an essay by Patrick von Richtofen. >>>>> >>>>> Happy to oblige, Bill. See attached pdf, for which I have scanned only >>>>> those pages making reference to Middleton& Durrell. >>>>> >>>>> The remainder of Richtofen's piece treats /Tropic of Cancer/ and the >>>>> /Hamlet/ letters, but not Middleton's /Blacke Booke/. This seems an >>>>> opportunity missed. >>>>> >>>>> In my opinion, you have plenty of work to do on /The Black Book/ and >>>>> /The Blacke Booke/, Bill. You know Shakespeare, Middleton, >>>>> Elizabethiana,&c. better than anyone else with a working knowledge of >>>>> Durrell. Go for it. >>>>> >>>>> My appreciation to the late Carol Peirce and Virginia Carruthers who >>>>> gifted me the full run of the Old Style /Deus Loci/. >>>>> >>>>> Charles >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101101/50da1f4e/attachment.html From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 17:20:25 2010 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:20:25 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D044212@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net>, <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D044212@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: <4CCF5949.4040304@gmail.com> Hey Bill, My copy is 967 pages and 160 MB, so a bit big. If anyone is interested, email me direct. As for Middleton, here's Richtofen's bits below... Ahem. For curiosity's sake, I'll note that Durrell edited the Thomas story noted by Richtofen, and the final version of the text has only appeared in /Delta/ (not in Thomas' collected works...). There's an article on that somewhere out in the ether. Best, James ----------- It was also The Black Book's London, city of the English Death. This is a significant intersection, for like Ulysses and like "The Waste Land", Durrell's book referred back in time, specifically to a 1604 pamphlet by Thomas Middleton, also entitled The Black Book. From this satire, Durrell had taken not only the title, but, quoting whole [105] passages without altering them, he also used "Lawrence Lucifer" as one of the names for his 'ego-protagonist'. Lucifer was the anti-hero of Middleton's account, which describes his satanic visit to London's sinks of corruption, its brothels, gaming dens, houses of usury and drink. But whereas the literary tradition which Durrell played on, those ambiguous pamphlets that leeringly held up to blame the habits of the Elizabethan and Jacobean underworld, has receded into specialists' libraries and vestigial appearances in dramatic performances, Dylan Thomas in the "Prologue to an Adventure" tapped one of the great streams of popular English culture. Durrell's correlation, influenced certainly by Eliot's famous juxtapositions in "The Waste Land", was essentially a private affair (since he could not expect anyone to know, or even to know of, Middleton's booklet). But Dylan Thomas's plan revealed greater ambition, comparable indeed with the Ulysses undertaking. It was an alluring challenge, and yet it was also a burden which Dylan Thomas was unable or unwilling to carry beyond an initial burst of interest .... (p. 106, vol 2) On 01/11/10 4:25 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > How long is the dissertation? Can you email it as a document? May we request a copy? > > > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 2 07:56:22 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:56:22 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <4CCF5949.4040304@gmail.com> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net>, <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D044212@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF5949.4040304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <069FEB88-B509-4CA0-AFEE-7F8D97A421EF@earthlink.net> James, A 967 page dissertation! What's the title? Any comment on those "whole passages" that Durrell took from Middleton's BB "without altering them?" Bruce On Nov 1, 2010, at 5:20 PM, James Gifford wrote: > Hey Bill, > > My copy is 967 pages and 160 MB, so a bit big. If anyone is interested, > email me direct. As for Middleton, here's Richtofen's bits below... Ahem. > > For curiosity's sake, I'll note that Durrell edited the Thomas story > noted by Richtofen, and the final version of the text has only appeared > in /Delta/ (not in Thomas' collected works...). There's an article on > that somewhere out in the ether. > > Best, > James > > ----------- > > It was also The Black Book's London, city of the English Death. This is > a significant intersection, for like Ulysses and like "The Waste Land", > Durrell's book referred back in time, specifically to a 1604 pamphlet by > Thomas Middleton, also entitled The Black Book. From this satire, > Durrell had taken not only the title, but, quoting whole [105] passages > without altering them, he also used "Lawrence Lucifer" as one of the > names for his 'ego-protagonist'. Lucifer was the anti-hero of > Middleton's account, which describes his satanic visit to London's sinks > of corruption, its brothels, gaming dens, houses of usury and drink. But > whereas the literary tradition which Durrell played on, those ambiguous > pamphlets that leeringly held up to blame the habits of the Elizabethan > and Jacobean underworld, has receded into specialists' libraries and > vestigial appearances in dramatic performances, Dylan Thomas in the > "Prologue to an Adventure" tapped one of the great streams of popular > English culture. Durrell's correlation, influenced certainly by Eliot's > famous juxtapositions in "The Waste Land", was essentially a private > affair (since he could not expect anyone to know, or even to know of, > Middleton's booklet). But Dylan Thomas's plan revealed greater ambition, > comparable indeed with the Ulysses undertaking. It was an alluring > challenge, and yet it was also a burden which Dylan Thomas was unable or > unwilling to carry beyond an initial burst of interest .... (p. 106, vol 2) > > > > On 01/11/10 4:25 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >> How long is the dissertation? Can you email it as a document? May we request a copy? >> >> >> W. L. Godshalk * >> Department of English * * >> University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * >> OH 45221-0069 * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101102/380dcf32/attachment.html From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 09:58:16 2010 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:58:16 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <069FEB88-B509-4CA0-AFEE-7F8D97A421EF@earthlink.net> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net>, <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D044212@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF5949.4040304@gmail.com> <069FEB88-B509-4CA0-AFEE-7F8D97A421EF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4CD04328.4000508@gmail.com> Hi Bruce, Integrating materials from Middleton wouldn't surprise me at all, but nothing lept off the page at me... Surely it would be modernized, and perhaps Richtofen was generalizing (there are no citations to such passages). I think the Incomparable Bill Godshalk will dig it up for us, as he's done for so many other texts. As per the online bibliography: TY - THES A1 - von Richthofen, Patrick Mansur Freiherr Praetorius T1 - The Booster/Delta Nexus: Henry Miller and His Friends in the Literary World of Paris and London on the Eve of the Second World War N1 - Medium Designator: Diss. PB - University of Durham PY - 1987 SP - 1042 pp. KW - Durrell, Lawrence KW - Miller, Henry KW - Booster KW - Delta KW - Villa Seurat I did read the whole thing when I got it but must admit I read it quickly. He's very good at working through the 1930s materials tied to Paris. Best, James On 02/11/10 7:56 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > James, > > A 967 page dissertation! What's the title? Any comment on those "whole > passages" that Durrell took from Middleton's /BB/ "without altering them?" > > > Bruce > > > > On Nov 1, 2010, at 5:20 PM, James Gifford wrote: > >> Hey Bill, >> >> My copy is 967 pages and 160 MB, so a bit big. If anyone is interested, >> email me direct. As for Middleton, here's Richtofen's bits below... Ahem. >> >> For curiosity's sake, I'll note that Durrell edited the Thomas story >> noted by Richtofen, and the final version of the text has only appeared >> in /Delta/ (not in Thomas' collected works...). There's an article on >> that somewhere out in the ether. >> >> Best, >> James >> >> ----------- >> >> It was also The Black Book's London, city of the English Death. This is >> a significant intersection, for like Ulysses and like "The Waste Land", >> Durrell's book referred back in time, specifically to a 1604 pamphlet by >> Thomas Middleton, also entitled The Black Book. From this satire, >> Durrell had taken not only the title, but, quoting whole [105] passages >> without altering them, he also used "Lawrence Lucifer" as one of the >> names for his 'ego-protagonist'. Lucifer was the anti-hero of >> Middleton's account, which describes his satanic visit to London's sinks >> of corruption, its brothels, gaming dens, houses of usury and drink. But >> whereas the literary tradition which Durrell played on, those ambiguous >> pamphlets that leeringly held up to blame the habits of the Elizabethan >> and Jacobean underworld, has receded into specialists' libraries and >> vestigial appearances in dramatic performances, Dylan Thomas in the >> "Prologue to an Adventure" tapped one of the great streams of popular >> English culture. Durrell's correlation, influenced certainly by Eliot's >> famous juxtapositions in "The Waste Land", was essentially a private >> affair (since he could not expect anyone to know, or even to know of, >> Middleton's booklet). But Dylan Thomas's plan revealed greater ambition, >> comparable indeed with the Ulysses undertaking. It was an alluring >> challenge, and yet it was also a burden which Dylan Thomas was unable or >> unwilling to carry beyond an initial burst of interest .... (p. 106, >> vol 2) >> >> >> >> On 01/11/10 4:25 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >>> How long is the dissertation? Can you email it as a document? May we >>> request a copy? >>> >>> >>> W. L. Godshalk * >>> Department of English * * >>> University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * >>> OH 45221-0069 * * > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 10:27:12 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <4CD04328.4000508@gmail.com> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net>, <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D044212@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF5949.4040304@gmail.com> <069FEB88-B509-4CA0-AFEE-7F8D97A421EF@earthlink.net> <4CD04328.4000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <669899.21741.qm@web65818.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> The DSC would greatly appreciate having a copy of this dissertation. RP/DSC ----- Original Message ---- From: James Gifford To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 6:58:16 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others Hi Bruce, Integrating materials from Middleton wouldn't surprise me at all, but nothing lept off the page at me...? Surely it would be modernized, and perhaps Richtofen was generalizing (there are no citations to such passages).? I think the Incomparable Bill Godshalk will dig it up for us, as he's done for so many other texts. As per the online bibliography: TY? - THES A1? - von Richthofen, Patrick Mansur Freiherr Praetorius T1? - The Booster/Delta Nexus: Henry Miller and His Friends in the Literary World of Paris and London on the Eve of the Second World War N1? - Medium Designator: Diss. PB? - University of Durham PY? - 1987 SP? - 1042 pp. KW? - Durrell, Lawrence KW? - Miller, Henry KW? - Booster KW? - Delta KW? - Villa Seurat I did read the whole thing when I got it but must admit I read it quickly.? He's very good at working through the 1930s materials tied to Paris. Best, James On 02/11/10 7:56 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > James, > > A 967 page dissertation! What's the title? Any comment on those "whole > passages" that Durrell took from Middleton's /BB/ "without altering them?" > > > Bruce > > > > On Nov 1, 2010, at 5:20 PM, James Gifford wrote: > >> Hey Bill, >> >> My copy is 967 pages and 160 MB, so a bit big. If anyone is interested, >> email me direct. As for Middleton, here's Richtofen's bits below... Ahem. >> >> For curiosity's sake, I'll note that Durrell edited the Thomas story >> noted by Richtofen, and the final version of the text has only appeared >> in /Delta/ (not in Thomas' collected works...). There's an article on >> that somewhere out in the ether. >> >> Best, >> James >> >> ----------- >> >> It was also The Black Book's London, city of the English Death. This is >> a significant intersection, for like Ulysses and like "The Waste Land", >> Durrell's book referred back in time, specifically to a 1604 pamphlet by >> Thomas Middleton, also entitled The Black Book. From this satire, >> Durrell had taken not only the title, but, quoting whole [105] passages >> without altering them, he also used "Lawrence Lucifer" as one of the >> names for his 'ego-protagonist'. Lucifer was the anti-hero of >> Middleton's account, which describes his satanic visit to London's sinks >> of corruption, its brothels, gaming dens, houses of usury and drink. But >> whereas the literary tradition which Durrell played on, those ambiguous >> pamphlets that leeringly held up to blame the habits of the Elizabethan >> and Jacobean underworld, has receded into specialists' libraries and >> vestigial appearances in dramatic performances, Dylan Thomas in the >> "Prologue to an Adventure" tapped one of the great streams of popular >> English culture. Durrell's correlation, influenced certainly by Eliot's >> famous juxtapositions in "The Waste Land", was essentially a private >> affair (since he could not expect anyone to know, or even to know of, >> Middleton's booklet). But Dylan Thomas's plan revealed greater ambition, >> comparable indeed with the Ulysses undertaking. It was an alluring >> challenge, and yet it was also a burden which Dylan Thomas was unable or >> unwilling to carry beyond an initial burst of interest .... (p. 106, >> vol 2) >> >> >> >> On 01/11/10 4:25 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >>> How long is the dissertation? Can you email it as a document? May we >>> request a copy? >>> >>> >>> W. L. Godshalk * >>> Department of English * * >>> University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * >>> OH 45221-0069 * * > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 10:29:50 2010 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:29:50 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others In-Reply-To: <669899.21741.qm@web65818.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D04420A@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF0133.5000009@utc.edu> <01E440CA-FCA3-4D11-B59E-D0A8C8250B3C@earthlink.net>, <4CCF3ABF.6090406@gmail.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C64D044212@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <4CCF5949.4040304@gmail.com> <069FEB88-B509-4CA0-AFEE-7F8D97A421EF@earthlink.net> <4CD04328.4000508@gmail.com> <669899.21741.qm@web65818.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CD04A8E.1070603@gmail.com> Hi Richard, I believe I've already given a copy -- check my last set of donations, and if it's not there, just let me know. Cheers, James On 02/11/10 10:27 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > The DSC would greatly appreciate having a copy of this dissertation. > RP/DSC > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: James Gifford > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 6:58:16 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] Ray, Patrick, Bruce and others > > Hi Bruce, > > Integrating materials from Middleton wouldn't surprise me at all, but > nothing lept off the page at me... Surely it would be modernized, and > perhaps Richtofen was generalizing (there are no citations to such > passages). I think the Incomparable Bill Godshalk will dig it up for > us, as he's done for so many other texts. > > As per the online bibliography: > > TY - THES > A1 - von Richthofen, Patrick Mansur Freiherr Praetorius > T1 - The Booster/Delta Nexus: Henry Miller and His Friends in the > Literary World of Paris and London on the Eve of the Second World War > N1 - Medium Designator: Diss. > PB - University of Durham > PY - 1987 > SP - 1042 pp. > KW - Durrell, Lawrence > KW - Miller, Henry > KW - Booster > KW - Delta > KW - Villa Seurat > > I did read the whole thing when I got it but must admit I read it > quickly. He's very good at working through the 1930s materials tied to > Paris. > > Best, > James > > On 02/11/10 7:56 AM, Bruce Redwine wrote: >> James, >> >> A 967 page dissertation! What's the title? Any comment on those "whole >> passages" that Durrell took from Middleton's /BB/ "without altering them?" >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 5:20 PM, James Gifford wrote: >> >>> Hey Bill, >>> >>> My copy is 967 pages and 160 MB, so a bit big. If anyone is interested, >>> email me direct. As for Middleton, here's Richtofen's bits below... Ahem. >>> >>> For curiosity's sake, I'll note that Durrell edited the Thomas story >>> noted by Richtofen, and the final version of the text has only appeared >>> in /Delta/ (not in Thomas' collected works...). There's an article on >>> that somewhere out in the ether. >>> >>> Best, >>> James >>> >>> ----------- >>> >>> It was also The Black Book's London, city of the English Death. This is >>> a significant intersection, for like Ulysses and like "The Waste Land", >>> Durrell's book referred back in time, specifically to a 1604 pamphlet by >>> Thomas Middleton, also entitled The Black Book. From this satire, >>> Durrell had taken not only the title, but, quoting whole [105] passages >>> without altering them, he also used "Lawrence Lucifer" as one of the >>> names for his 'ego-protagonist'. Lucifer was the anti-hero of >>> Middleton's account, which describes his satanic visit to London's sinks >>> of corruption, its brothels, gaming dens, houses of usury and drink. But >>> whereas the literary tradition which Durrell played on, those ambiguous >>> pamphlets that leeringly held up to blame the habits of the Elizabethan >>> and Jacobean underworld, has receded into specialists' libraries and >>> vestigial appearances in dramatic performances, Dylan Thomas in the >>> "Prologue to an Adventure" tapped one of the great streams of popular >>> English culture. Durrell's correlation, influenced certainly by Eliot's >>> famous juxtapositions in "The Waste Land", was essentially a private >>> affair (since he could not expect anyone to know, or even to know of, >>> Middleton's booklet). But Dylan Thomas's plan revealed greater ambition, >>> comparable indeed with the Ulysses undertaking. It was an alluring >>> challenge, and yet it was also a burden which Dylan Thomas was unable or >>> unwilling to carry beyond an initial burst of interest .... (p. 106, >>> vol 2) >>> >>> >>> >>> On 01/11/10 4:25 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: >>>> How long is the dissertation? Can you email it as a document? May we >>>> request a copy? >>>> >>>> >>>> W. L. Godshalk * >>>> Department of English * * >>>> University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * >>>> OH 45221-0069 * * >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 17:03:56 2010 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:03:56 -0700 Subject: [ilds] CFP | Space Between conference in Montreal | June 16-18, 2011 Message-ID: <4CD49B6C.8050702@gmail.com> Hello all, I'm passing this along in case anyone is interested. I attended the Space Between conference in Portland last year, and it was very fine -- I think they would be receptive to a Durrell panel if anyone is interested in pitching something as a group. Best, James -------------- The Battle of the Brows: Cultural Distinctions in the Space Between, 1914-1945 McGill University, Montreal, Canada June 16-18, 2011 With the massive growth in the production and consumption of literature, music and art in the period 1914-1945 came powerful anxieties about cultural authority and transmission. As audiences and artists increasingly came from middle or lower classes, critics tried to distinguish between the ?serious? and the ?popular.? Cultural distinctions that relied, directly or indirectly, on attitudes toward hierarchies of gender, class, and race came under increasing scrutiny. It was a time of debate and radical change: new media and materials (radio, film, jazz, paperback novels) gained ground over traditional forms and venues (classical music, poetry, theatre); many arts became professionalized, rather than relying on inherited incomes; institutions such as the Book of the Month Club and the BBC formed new communities of cultural consumption. How does recognition of these social and cultural conflicts impact our work as scholars of the space between the wars? Conversely, how does our work impact the vocabularies and values through which we access and understand the societies and cultures of this time period? The 13th annual Space Between Society Conference, in cooperation with the Middlebrow Network, invites proposals that consider questions and problems related to cultural distinction in the years 1914-1945. Please send abstracts (no more than 300 words) with a short biographical statement to spacebetween2011 at gmail.com by 15 January 2011. Possible topics include: * Middlebrow culture and the discourses of modernity * Art in the marketplace * Cultural capital and cultural minorities * Documentaries, Hollywood film, art film, the woman?s film * Theatre, vaudeville, street theatre, group theatre * Visual culture: photography, painting, advertising * Music, soundtracks, opera, jazz, musicals * Kitsch * Working-class cultures * Architecture, furniture, and interior design * Historical crises and cultural responses: militarization, demobilization, civilian life * Domesticity and domestic service * Pleasure, entertainment, and audiences * International popular cultures * The avant-garde * Genres and modes: melodrama, social realism, adventure fiction, spy thrillers, romances * Movement across media: film, print, radio, gramophone * Public radio and broadcasting: BBC, CBC, ABC * Mass-Observation From dtart at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 7 21:25:51 2010 From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:25:51 +1100 Subject: [ilds] Venice Message-ID: Robert Dessaix on Venice Venice, 13th April I caught the vaporetto down to the Accademia meaning to spend the morning looking at great paintings, but when I got there I found all desire to look at art had vanished. For a while I just stood on the bridge that crosses in front of the gallery and stared back up the sweep of the Grand Canal the way I had come; all those sinking palaces, lined up like a bevy of venal, decrepit duchesses at a ball; a geriatric harlequinade, that's what it looked like in the clear light of day. Venice, 19th April This morning for the first time in some weeks, I was suddenly conscious of feeling tired of.. of not Europe exactly, but the accumulation of stories, battles, treaties, families, duchies, paintings, churches, palaces - all the things that the antipodean finds so exciting on arrival. And tired is the wrong word as well. Perhaps saturated is a better word, the sort of feeling that comes over you at the end of an evening looking at your Grandparents photo albums and listening to their half remembered stories. Going to Europe is always like visiting grandparents to me: fascinating, heart warming (sometimes) but you know they haven't the faintest idea about, let alone respect for, the things that move you and they are never going to change. I did feel a pull this morning - back to a place where I think I can live more diversely than here. Where I can be 'civilised' in more enriching and dangerous ways and where, I have to say, I do think that on the whole, all things considered, and allowing for a multitude of exceptions, people are a little kinder to one another - a very second rate, suburban sort of virtue, I suppose. Well, I think it is undervalued. Robert Dessaix Night Letters c) 1996 Denise Tart designing ceremonies Civil Celebrant - A8807 16 William Street Marrickville NSW 2204 + 61 2 9564 6`65 0412 707 625 www.denisetart.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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