From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Mon Sep 27 05:01:58 2010 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:01:58 -0400 Subject: [ilds] BALLADE OF SLOW DECAY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CA087B6.9050000@utc.edu> On 9/26/10 2:49 PM, Ilyas Khan wrote: > For those of you familiar with his "ballad of slow decay" or > any of those first handful of published poems, Durrell's truth > was as much a distant relative to that on display during his > later years, as might be mine or yours from a similar distance. Good point, Ilyas. > I go back to the ballad I refer to at the start of this brief > commentary. His life was quite uncannily captured in synopsis > by the prevalent analogy of the poem. Not that I am saying, > for one moment, that he donned the garb of a fortune teller > and put himself as the subject of a mystical forecast. No, I > cant tie a neat bow and ribbon around that theory, but it does > stand some scrutiny when taken with the requisite seasoning of > hindsight. Here below please find an early Christmas gift, the complete text of "The Ballade of Slow Decay." I hope others will have much to say in response. > BALLADE OF SLOW DECAY > This business grows more dreary year by year, > The season with its seasonable joys, > When there is so much extra now on beer, > And therefore so much less to spend on toys: > And now that Auntie Mauds had twins (both boys), > And all the family is knitting clothes-- > It makes me want to stamp and make a noise: > I wish that George would pay me what he owes. > I realise that Cousin Jane is 'dear', > And that sweet Minnie has such 'grace and poise', > But why should they be planning to come here, > When Winifred my manuscript destroys, > And dearest little Bertie mis-employs > His time by crying when he sees my nose-- > It makes me want to stamp and make a noise: > I wish that George would pay me what he owes. > How can a man withstand the atmosphere, > This hell compounded of such strange alloys? > Grandma's too old to do a thing but leer, > And call the home-made mince-pies 'saveloys'. > Grandpa keeps drooling on about sepoys, > The Indian situation and the snows-- > It makes me want to stamp and make a noise: > I wish that George would pay me what he owes. > ENVOI > Prince, if I once disturbed your equipoise, > By sending you my old discarded hose-- > Perhaps you'd help me stamp and make a noise, > And wish that George would pay me what he owes? > 1980/Christmas, 1932 -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/88eaf9a4/attachment.html From ilyas.khan at crosby.com Mon Sep 27 00:59:15 2010 From: ilyas.khan at crosby.com (Ilyas Khan) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:59:15 +0100 Subject: [ilds] Q In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To all ILDS bulletin posters and ?lurkers?, academics and casual readers, specialists and enthusiasts. In response to my posting on truth, I received a quite extraordinary number of responses. ALL PRIVATE, and pretty much all from people who would classify themselves as ?non academic? or at least ?not having devoted their working lives to the pursuit of literarture and its study?. The point they made is that in recent months this bulletin board has fallen, in their collective view, to the lowest common denominator between academics who treat the place as if it were made for them to have a ?private tennis match?, and with attendant impact on their treatment of other, less specialised members. A good number of people who sent me a message said that they were basically reduced to the status of a lurker by the treatment they had or have received from these same ?academics?. So why am I writing ? Why put this email together. In general terms I was quite sad to see that so many valid comments were sent to me in private since people feared or had no trust in the bulletin board reaction to what they might consider being a ?non? academic comment. I therefore wanted to post for two reasons. Firstly, if academics and those who have spent a lifetime paid to work on research and study, had the monopoly on opinion and ?truth?, then the only literary biographies that were written (or at least read) would be those pulled together by specialist lecturers and professors. In fact, as we all know, popular literary biography is the domain of the ?common? reader, so I would encourage us all to speak up and comment as we wish and as we believe. This bulletin board should be capable of a wonderfully catholic spread of opinion, not all of which need be the result of years or research. IN fact our subject, Mr D could easily pass muster here as one who reacted more on whim and emotion than anything else. So I would say that if any of us has a view, based on our own personal reading, we should speak up, and post often and without fear of any other reactions. Secondly, the academics and specialists on this board who do tend, at times, to condescend, have been proven wrong enough times for them not to be too precious about their opinions. I enjoy the various interchanges, and its actually quite entertaining to see various dirty linen being washed vicariously through some arcane point or other. The real issue here is that at least on this bulletin board, the academics have screwed up or been found wanting as much as anyone else. They might look as if they know what they are saying, but I can assure you they agonise over and take great care over their posts and then log on to see what points they might have scored with just as much care and attention as anyone on any other board. They are thin skinned and sensitive, but at the end of the day, they are human and I am sure this reminder to them to try and be more inclusive will not go amiss. I will close by appealing to the moderators on this forum to re-ignite free conversation by, perhaps, leaning a little on those obvious posts which tend to peter off into ?private? tennis matches. Scoring arcane points that actually relate back to arguments or disagreements which have matter only to the two or three people involved in the postings can be best achieved amongst yourselves. The rest of us really don?t care. We are here because we enjoy and wish to learn more about and discuss in an open way, the work of Durrell. This list, in the past, has been a brilliant forum, with a wide range of contributors. Lets not watch it die. And there you have it. An appeal from an enthusiast who wishes to encourage a great deal more participation than has suddenly become the norm. On 26/09/2010 19:49, "Ilyas Khan" wrote: > When Durrell started to talk about his life as a writer in later life, his > truth, that is, the truth he chose to highlight, was not the same ?truth? that > would have prevailed as he sat down, pen in hand, as a barely pubescent young > boy. > > For those of you familiar with his ?ballad of slow decay? or any of those > first handful of published poems, Durrell?s truth was as much a distant > relative to that on display during his later years, as might be mine or yours > from a similar distance. > > This much, at least, many have observed and spoken of. But I see that the real > multitude of truths is not easily explained either by narrative device (ie the > quartet of perspectives captured in the AQ), or by the distance afforded by > time (and change, either of circumstance or perspective). I see that the > manifold explanations that attach themselves to Durrell and his ever changing > pulchritudinous worlds is rather simple. He was an addictive liar. Perhaps it > would be kinder to say that he was a skilled dis-assembler of facts. This is > to take nothing away from his writing. I have come across too many wonderful > writers who are disappointing human beings to be upset by the contrast between > the man percieved through his work, and the individual in real life. > > What works, or might actually be desirable on the page, also stands in > contrast to what we might admire or detest in real life, and that, in simple > terms, is part of the explanation around LD. Durrell?s great friend Aldington > was not above criticisms along the same lines. > > I go back to the ballad I refer to at the start of this brief commentary. His > life was quite uncannily captured in synopsis by the prevalent analogy of the > poem. Not that I am saying, for one moment, that he donned the garb of a > fortune teller and put himself as the subject of a mystical forecast. No, I > cant tie a neat bow and ribbon around that theory, but it does stand some > scrutiny when taken with the requisite seasoning of hindsight. > > David, your reminder (to me) of Gideon prompted this reply. My longest and > most considered contribution to this forum in all the years I have tended to > ?lurk? and enjoy your and others? comments. > > With much fondness from deepest darkest Surrey, > > > > On 26/09/2010 00:54, "Denise Tart & David Green" wrote: > >> "But what is truth? Is truth a changing law? We both have truths, a mine the >> same as yours?" >> >> Pontius Pilate to Jesus in Jesus Christ Super Star >> >> "In God's name what is the Truth? that Millions are dead and more will die >> because Spain makes war on the catholic king of France who makes war on >> catholic Germany, all helped by protestants, by a hundred other kings, >> princes and bishops, all for their own rotten purposes.." >> >> Vogel in James Clavell's The Last Valley >> >> " the truth is your leaders are bigots, your generals are bandits and the >> pope plays politics!" >> >> The Captain in James Clavell's The Last Valley. >> >> "the Truth may be pure, but is is rarely simple" >> >> Oscar Wilde >> >> Surely the AQ with its four views of the same apparent reality, questions the >> very nature of reality (truth) itself. Durrell saw the dream world, the so >> called real world and the world of fiction as very much blurred and said so >> in interviews. Beyond objective reality - that, on Earth, a stone falls to >> ground when dropped - the rest is construction, invention. The Duke of >> Wellington said that the true history of the Battle of Waterloo could never >> be written because each participant only remembers his own part in it - just >> as each reader experiences a novel or poem differently .... is truth that >> important??? >> >> It is said that Gideon in Reflections on a Marine Venus was a Durrell >> construction - but real to me and one of my favourite LD characters. >> >> David Whitewine >> >> >> >> >> 16 William Street >> Marrickville NSW 2204 >> + 61 2 9564 6`65 >> 0412 707 625 >> www.denisetart.com.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/feeea30b/attachment.html From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Mon Sep 27 05:10:01 2010 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:10:01 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Q In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CA08999.1040706@utc.edu> On 9/27/10 3:59 AM, Ilyas Khan wrote: > In fact, as we all know, popular literary biography is the > domain of the "common" reader, so I would encourage us all to > speak up and comment as we wish and as we believe. This > bulletin board should be capable of a wonderfully catholic > spread of opinion, not all of which need be the result of > years or research. IN fact our subject, Mr D could easily pass > muster here as one who reacted more on whim and emotion than > anything else. So I would say that if any of us has a view, > based on our own personal reading, we should speak up, and > post often and without fear of any other reactions. Hear, hear, Ilyas! Here's to speaking up, and speaking often. Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/c1f269e8/attachment.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 27 06:51:42 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:51:42 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Q In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437F1DBD-A395-4D6F-BEDF-5862C1610351@earthlink.net> Ilyas, Speaking as a nonacademic, I wholeheartedly agree, in principle. It's too easy, however, to call lively debates on issues "point scoring." If anyone has a point or observation, he or she should make it. At the same time, that person shouldn't be surprised to be challenged ? and if challenged, prepared to respond. Isn't this the way debates usually work? Bruce On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:59 AM, Ilyas Khan wrote: > > To all ILDS bulletin posters and ?lurkers?, academics and casual readers, specialists and enthusiasts. > > In response to my posting on truth, I received a quite extraordinary number of responses. ALL PRIVATE, and pretty much all from people who would classify themselves as ?non academic? or at least ?not having devoted their working lives to the pursuit of literarture and its study?. > > The point they made is that in recent months this bulletin board has fallen, in their collective view, to the lowest common denominator between academics who treat the place as if it were made for them to have a ?private tennis match?, and with attendant impact on their treatment of other, less specialised members. A good number of people who sent me a message said that they were basically reduced to the status of a lurker by the treatment they had or have received from these same ?academics?. > > So why am I writing ? Why put this email together. > > In general terms I was quite sad to see that so many valid comments were sent to me in private since people feared or had no trust in the bulletin board reaction to what they might consider being a ?non? academic comment. > > I therefore wanted to post for two reasons. > > Firstly, if academics and those who have spent a lifetime paid to work on research and study, had the monopoly on opinion and ?truth?, then the only literary biographies that were written (or at least read) would be those pulled together by specialist lecturers and professors. In fact, as we all know, popular literary biography is the domain of the ?common? reader, so I would encourage us all to speak up and comment as we wish and as we believe. This bulletin board should be capable of a wonderfully catholic spread of opinion, not all of which need be the result of years or research. IN fact our subject, Mr D could easily pass muster here as one who reacted more on whim and emotion than anything else. So I would say that if any of us has a view, based on our own personal reading, we should speak up, and post often and without fear of any other reactions. > > Secondly, the academics and specialists on this board who do tend, at times, to condescend, have been proven wrong enough times for them not to be too precious about their opinions. I enjoy the various interchanges, and its actually quite entertaining to see various dirty linen being washed vicariously through some arcane point or other. > > The real issue here is that at least on this bulletin board, the academics have screwed up or been found wanting as much as anyone else. They might look as if they know what they are saying, but I can assure you they agonise over and take great care over their posts and then log on to see what points they might have scored with just as much care and attention as anyone on any other board. They are thin skinned and sensitive, but at the end of the day, they are human and I am sure this reminder to them to try and be more inclusive will not go amiss. > > I will close by appealing to the moderators on this forum to re-ignite free conversation by, perhaps, leaning a little on those obvious posts which tend to peter off into ?private? tennis matches. Scoring arcane points that actually relate back to arguments or disagreements which have matter only to the two or three people involved in the postings can be best achieved amongst yourselves. The rest of us really don?t care. We are here because we enjoy and wish to learn more about and discuss in an open way, the work of Durrell. This list, in the past, has been a brilliant forum, with a wide range of contributors. Lets not watch it die. > > And there you have it. An appeal from an enthusiast who wishes to encourage a great deal more participation than has suddenly become the norm. > > > > On 26/09/2010 19:49, "Ilyas Khan" wrote: > >> When Durrell started to talk about his life as a writer in later life, his truth, that is, the truth he chose to highlight, was not the same ?truth? that would have prevailed as he sat down, pen in hand, as a barely pubescent young boy. >> >> For those of you familiar with his ?ballad of slow decay? or any of those first handful of published poems, Durrell?s truth was as much a distant relative to that on display during his later years, as might be mine or yours from a similar distance. >> >> This much, at least, many have observed and spoken of. But I see that the real multitude of truths is not easily explained either by narrative device (ie the quartet of perspectives captured in the AQ), or by the distance afforded by time (and change, either of circumstance or perspective). I see that the manifold explanations that attach themselves to Durrell and his ever changing pulchritudinous worlds is rather simple. He was an addictive liar. Perhaps it would be kinder to say that he was a skilled dis-assembler of facts. This is to take nothing away from his writing. I have come across too many wonderful writers who are disappointing human beings to be upset by the contrast between the man percieved through his work, and the individual in real life. >> >> What works, or might actually be desirable on the page, also stands in contrast to what we might admire or detest in real life, and that, in simple terms, is part of the explanation around LD. Durrell?s great friend Aldington was not above criticisms along the same lines. >> >> I go back to the ballad I refer to at the start of this brief commentary. His life was quite uncannily captured in synopsis by the prevalent analogy of the poem. Not that I am saying, for one moment, that he donned the garb of a fortune teller and put himself as the subject of a mystical forecast. No, I cant tie a neat bow and ribbon around that theory, but it does stand some scrutiny when taken with the requisite seasoning of hindsight. >> >> David, your reminder (to me) of Gideon prompted this reply. My longest and most considered contribution to this forum in all the years I have tended to ?lurk? and enjoy your and others? comments. >> >> With much fondness from deepest darkest Surrey, >> >> >> >> On 26/09/2010 00:54, "Denise Tart & David Green" wrote: >> >>> "But what is truth? Is truth a changing law? We both have truths, a mine the same as yours?" >>> >>> Pontius Pilate to Jesus in Jesus Christ Super Star >>> >>> "In God's name what is the Truth? that Millions are dead and more will die because Spain makes war on the catholic king of France who makes war on catholic Germany, all helped by protestants, by a hundred other kings, princes and bishops, all for their own rotten purposes.." >>> >>> Vogel in James Clavell's The Last Valley >>> >>> " the truth is your leaders are bigots, your generals are bandits and the pope plays politics!" >>> >>> The Captain in James Clavell's The Last Valley. >>> >>> "the Truth may be pure, but is is rarely simple" >>> >>> Oscar Wilde >>> >>> Surely the AQ with its four views of the same apparent reality, questions the very nature of reality (truth) itself. Durrell saw the dream world, the so called real world and the world of fiction as very much blurred and said so in interviews. Beyond objective reality - that, on Earth, a stone falls to ground when dropped - the rest is construction, invention. The Duke of Wellington said that the true history of the Battle of Waterloo could never be written because each participant only remembers his own part in it - just as each reader experiences a novel or poem differently .... is truth that important??? >>> >>> It is said that Gideon in Reflections on a Marine Venus was a Durrell construction - but real to me and one of my favourite LD characters. >>> >>> David Whitewine >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 16 William Street >>> Marrickville NSW 2204 >>> + 61 2 9564 6`65 >>> 0412 707 625 >>> www.denisetart.com.au >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/b939e3d0/attachment.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 27 06:58:03 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:58:03 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Seeking the Truth In-Reply-To: <4C9F9CB3.5010008@gmail.com> References: <4C9E3458.6020706@gmail.com> <75FE5DB4-0B26-4171-B933-C56850F75ABE@earthlink.net> <4C9E5223.8080802@gmail.com> <4C9F9CB3.5010008@gmail.com> Message-ID: James, Some comments below. All in good fun. We have huge interpretative differences, unbridgeable no doubt, but what the hell. Bruce On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:19 PM, James Gifford wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > Were I to make a particular statement the philosophical crux of my work, > I doubt it would be said between snorts into dirty laundry... We're discussing Balthazar's reaction to "truth," a specific context, not a preface to his general philosophy, which he may have expressed as wryly as you do. Elsewhere in the Quartet blowing one's nose is used as an act of derision ? a nonverbal act that has more illocutionary force than a direct statement. E.g., when Clea asks Pursewarden to deflower her and "he blew his nose gravely in a corner of a sheet" (AQ 736-37). Pursewarden considers Clea's proposal hilarious and ridiculous, so too Balthazar when face to face with the concept of "truth." This is obvious. > There are > other more nuanced articulations of this notion in the Quartet, and I > think the formal structure of the work itself is the most important. What "notion?" Such as? > > But, I do contest your definition of "investigation." Tell me, in the > sentence "an investigation of modern love" (which we know underwent > significant revisions due to editorial pressure outside of the author), > how "real" is "modern love" in the real world? What, pray tell, is > "love" in a quantified sense in the "real world" of measurable objects, > particles, and physical laws. Moreover, what does "modern" mean as an > adjective to the material object "love"? Or do you think > "investigation" may have a slightly different sense here than in "an > investigation into a crime" or "an investigation of how gravity > influences a ball"? I don't understand any of these questions. Durrell's diction is often poetic, not the precise usage of say, a Chomsky. In this respect, Chaucer can be said to investigate love in the Middle Ages (lustful, courtly, spiritual), why not Durrell in mid-Twentieth Century? Durrell's words are clear to me, and I won't drag out definitions from the dictionary. You should have addressed your questions to L. Durrell, whom I have quoted, who uses the terms, and who appears to have taken them quite seriously (even if he jokingly wrote them from "Ascona"). Later he probably realized that he was too serious, hence the subsequent deletion in 1962, after getting pilloried for pomposity. Now, if you want to question all these concepts and reveal their unsubstantial nature (which I disagree with), then we have little basis for discussion. Your approach seems to me a prime example of a Deconstructive mode of analysis which attempts to undermine any form of analysis that strives for coherent meaning. > > Alternatively, doesn't it seem obvious that this is a fictional novel > discussing social realities? Are not social realities essentially > imaginary? Are love, memories, marriage, deceit, or racism "real" or > "true" in the same way that a rock is? I'm afraid I don't see the use > in collapsing the multivalence. A lot of things are being thrown out here, confusedly. (Note the tendency of language to reify ideas.) Are you suggesting that human cultural institutions have no reality? Certainly not as rocks do, but they have their own facticity, and we know that by our laws, conventions, representations, etc. Social realities are "essentially imaginary?" We live in a culture of illusion? Do you really believe that social constructs are not real, rather that they're illusionary? Get a divorce, refuse to pay alimony, and see how imaginary the court finds your defense that everything was an illusion. Now, take love and and compare it to a rock. Are you saying that rocks are real, but love is unsubstantial, merely a social or psychological construct? A will-o'-the-wisp? What is more enduring ? the carved faces on Mount Rushmore or the subject matter of Shakespeare's Sonnets? I'd bet on the latter ? because it's "truer" and more real and will be around as long as we humans are. Horace already expressed this idea over two thousand years ago in "Ode 30," Book 3, when he calls his poems "more lasting than bronze." For me, the Odes are as real as the pyramids (another one of Horace's comparisons). > > So, let's go back to one of your examples: "And Pursewarden on another > occasion, but not less memorably: 'If things were always what they > seemed, how impoverished would be the imagination of man'" (/AQ/ 216). > I'd be inclined to note how "imagination" appears to be an intrinsic > part of "seemed" here. Madam, I know not seems... Just as Hamlet tells > us he is not capable of seeming to be something he is not, we the > audience know this to be untrue -- Hamlet constantly "seems." I don't see your point. > Moreover, > much likehis mother's inability to see his father's ghost, she sees him > not, yet all there is she sees. She must claim to see all that there is > in order to state that he is not there -- otherwise, she'd admit to the > possibility that people can see different things. Hamlet likewise > collapses the existence of different phenomenal worlds when he says he > cannot "seem" to other people, when in fact he cannot occupy their > position to see himself... For Durrell, "things" (likely of the class > we would use to lump together love, faith, deceit, trust and other > social "things") are like Hamlet -- they "seem" without always giving > away their reality. As social "things," the act of "seeming" is likely > the only part that actually exists. Hence, "the imagination of man" is > a crucial component. Because we cannot say "all there is I see," we > must fill in the gaps with our imagination, especially when we follow > the iron chains of memory -- the city is half-imagined yet wholly > "real," and that real has a lot more to do with T.S. Eliot's "Unreal > city" than it does with "real" in the sense of a rock. It's a social > reality in which half of it is imagined and the other half "seeming," > and that's our social form of reality... As intriguing as you make this riff sound, I'm not sure about its relevance and what you're getting at in this excursus on Hamlet and "seems," but it seems to me that you've strayed far away from Durrell's text, the passage I cited, and leaped into your own imaginative interpretations. I guess old LD would have approved of such liberties, but I prefer to stick to the text and to consider what it says about the man himself and how he thinks/creates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/11013cd2/attachment.html From ilyas.khan at crosby.com Mon Sep 27 07:03:53 2010 From: ilyas.khan at crosby.com (Ilyas Khan) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:03:53 +0100 Subject: [ilds] Q In-Reply-To: <437F1DBD-A395-4D6F-BEDF-5862C1610351@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bruce, thank you for your comment, and yes, you are right, absolutely right about the way that debates work. Given the points I made, and which I wont repeat, I simply hope that we can work with all our consituent members to allow them to feel as if they have the right to comment without the fear of being ?embarrassed?. I, for one, have paused before hitting ?send? on a couple of occasions and in retrospect it was due to a gnawing fear that I would not be taken seriously and also, one occasion, for a fear of being drawn into a personal slanging match. I now realise that the difference between a good bulletin board and one which has migrated to being populated only by the very few is where people don?t feel overwhelmed. The balance that is required (ie where the underlying bar is slowly raised in terms of the quality of the conversations) is not easy to attain. I admire your active and spirited contributions and thank you for your supportive comments. On 27/09/2010 14:51, "Bruce Redwine" wrote: > Ilyas, > > Speaking as a nonacademic, I wholeheartedly agree, in principle. It's too > easy, however, to call lively debates on issues "point scoring." If anyone > has a point or observation, he or she should make it. At the same time, that > person shouldn't be surprised to be challenged ? and if challenged, prepared > to respond. Isn't this the way debates usually work? > > > Bruce > > > > On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:59 AM, Ilyas Khan wrote: > >> >> To all ILDS bulletin posters and ?lurkers?, academics and casual readers, >> specialists and enthusiasts. >> >> In response to my posting on truth, I received a quite extraordinary number >> of responses. ALL PRIVATE, and pretty much all from people who would classify >> themselves as ?non academic? or at least ?not having devoted their working >> lives to the pursuit of literarture and its study?. >> >> The point they made is that in recent months this bulletin board has fallen, >> in their collective view, to the lowest common denominator between academics >> who treat the place as if it were made for them to have a ?private tennis >> match?, and with attendant impact on their treatment of other, less >> specialised members. A good number of people who sent me a message said that >> they were basically reduced to the status of a lurker by the treatment they >> had or have received from these same ?academics?. >> >> So why am I writing ? Why put this email together. >> >> In general terms I was quite sad to see that so many valid comments were sent >> to me in private since people feared or had no trust in the bulletin board >> reaction to what they might consider being a ?non? academic comment. >> >> I therefore wanted to post for two reasons. >> >> Firstly, if academics and those who have spent a lifetime paid to work on >> research and study, had the monopoly on opinion and ?truth?, then the only >> literary biographies that were written (or at least read) would be those >> pulled together by specialist lecturers and professors. In fact, as we all >> know, popular literary biography is the domain of the ?common? reader, so I >> would encourage us all to speak up and comment as we wish and as we believe. >> This bulletin board should be capable of a wonderfully catholic spread of >> opinion, not all of which need be the result of years or research. IN fact >> our subject, Mr D could easily pass muster here as one who reacted more on >> whim and emotion than anything else. So I would say that if any of us has a >> view, based on our own personal reading, we should speak up, and post often >> and without fear of any other reactions. >> >> Secondly, the academics and specialists on this board who do tend, at times, >> to condescend, have been proven wrong enough times for them not to be too >> precious about their opinions. I enjoy the various interchanges, and its >> actually quite entertaining to see various dirty linen being washed >> vicariously through some arcane point or other. >> >> The real issue here is that at least on this bulletin board, the academics >> have screwed up or been found wanting as much as anyone else. They might look >> as if they know what they are saying, but I can assure you they agonise over >> and take great care over their posts and then log on to see what points they >> might have scored with just as much care and attention as anyone on any other >> board. They are thin skinned and sensitive, but at the end of the day, they >> are human and I am sure this reminder to them to try and be more inclusive >> will not go amiss. >> >> I will close by appealing to the moderators on this forum to re-ignite free >> conversation by, perhaps, leaning a little on those obvious posts which tend >> to peter off into ?private? tennis matches. Scoring arcane points that >> actually relate back to arguments or disagreements which have matter only to >> the two or three people involved in the postings can be best achieved amongst >> yourselves. The rest of us really don?t care. We are here because we enjoy >> and wish to learn more about and discuss in an open way, the work of Durrell. >> This list, in the past, has been a brilliant forum, with a wide range of >> contributors. Lets not watch it die. >> >> And there you have it. An appeal from an enthusiast who wishes to encourage a >> great deal more participation than has suddenly become the norm. >> >> >> >> On 26/09/2010 19:49, "Ilyas Khan" > > wrote: >> >>> When Durrell started to talk about his life as a writer in later life, his >>> truth, that is, the truth he chose to highlight, was not the same ?truth? >>> that would have prevailed as he sat down, pen in hand, as a barely pubescent >>> young boy. >>> >>> For those of you familiar with his ?ballad of slow decay? or any of those >>> first handful of published poems, Durrell?s truth was as much a distant >>> relative to that on display during his later years, as might be mine or >>> yours from a similar distance. >>> >>> This much, at least, many have observed and spoken of. But I see that the >>> real multitude of truths is not easily explained either by narrative device >>> (ie the quartet of perspectives captured in the AQ), or by the distance >>> afforded by time (and change, either of circumstance or perspective). I see >>> that the manifold explanations that attach themselves to Durrell and his >>> ever changing pulchritudinous worlds is rather simple. He was an addictive >>> liar. Perhaps it would be kinder to say that he was a skilled dis-assembler >>> of facts. This is to take nothing away from his writing. I have come across >>> too many wonderful writers who are disappointing human beings to be upset by >>> the contrast between the man percieved through his work, and the individual >>> in real life. >>> >>> What works, or might actually be desirable on the page, also stands in >>> contrast to what we might admire or detest in real life, and that, in simple >>> terms, is part of the explanation around LD. Durrell?s great friend >>> Aldington was not above criticisms along the same lines. >>> >>> I go back to the ballad I refer to at the start of this brief commentary. >>> His life was quite uncannily captured in synopsis by the prevalent analogy >>> of the poem. Not that I am saying, for one moment, that he donned the garb >>> of a fortune teller and put himself as the subject of a mystical forecast. >>> No, I cant tie a neat bow and ribbon around that theory, but it does stand >>> some scrutiny when taken with the requisite seasoning of hindsight. >>> >>> David, your reminder (to me) of Gideon prompted this reply. My longest and >>> most considered contribution to this forum in all the years I have tended to >>> ?lurk? and enjoy your and others? comments. >>> >>> With much fondness from deepest darkest Surrey, >>> >>> >>> >>> On 26/09/2010 00:54, "Denise Tart & David Green" >> > wrote: >>> >>>> "But what is truth? Is truth a changing law? We both have truths, a mine >>>> the same as yours?" >>>> >>>> Pontius Pilate to Jesus in Jesus Christ Super Star >>>> >>>> "In God's name what is the Truth? that Millions are dead and more will die >>>> because Spain makes war on the catholic king of France who makes war on >>>> catholic Germany, all helped by protestants, by a hundred other kings, >>>> princes and bishops, all for their own rotten purposes.." >>>> >>>> Vogel in James Clavell's The Last Valley >>>> >>>> " the truth is your leaders are bigots, your generals are bandits and the >>>> pope plays politics!" >>>> >>>> The Captain in James Clavell's The Last Valley. >>>> >>>> "the Truth may be pure, but is is rarely simple" >>>> >>>> Oscar Wilde >>>> >>>> Surely the AQ with its four views of the same apparent reality, questions >>>> the very nature of reality (truth) itself. Durrell saw the dream world, the >>>> so called real world and the world of fiction as very much blurred and said >>>> so in interviews. Beyond objective reality - that, on Earth, a stone falls >>>> to ground when dropped - the rest is construction, invention. The Duke of >>>> Wellington said that the true history of the Battle of Waterloo could never >>>> be written because each participant only remembers his own part in it - >>>> just as each reader experiences a novel or poem differently .... is truth >>>> that important??? >>>> >>>> It is said that Gideon in Reflections on a Marine Venus was a Durrell >>>> construction - but real to me and one of my favourite LD characters. >>>> >>>> David Whitewine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 16 William Street >>>> Marrickville NSW 2204 >>>> + 61 2 9564 6`65 >>>> 0412 707 625 >>>> www.denisetart.com.au >>>> > >>>> >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From Saturday's Los Angeles Times - using an ultra-precise clock, scientists have now measured relativistic effects near sea level and at slow speeds: http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-relativity-20100925,0,7205568.story In reference to this weekend's stimulating discussion about Truth, I think what this means is, we CAN cite the Uncertainty Principle and other Quantum effects in relation to the "real world" and our everyday lives. -- Ken From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Ilyas Khan Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:59 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Q To all ILDS bulletin posters and "lurkers", academics and casual readers, specialists and enthusiasts. In response to my posting on truth, I received a quite extraordinary number of responses. ALL PRIVATE, and pretty much all from people who would classify themselves as "non academic" or at least "not having devoted their working lives to the pursuit of literarture and its study". The point they made is that in recent months this bulletin board has fallen, in their collective view, to the lowest common denominator between academics who treat the place as if it were made for them to have a "private tennis match", and with attendant impact on their treatment of other, less specialised members. A good number of people who sent me a message said that they were basically reduced to the status of a lurker by the treatment they had or have received from these same "academics". So why am I writing ? Why put this email together. In general terms I was quite sad to see that so many valid comments were sent to me in private since people feared or had no trust in the bulletin board reaction to what they might consider being a "non" academic comment. I therefore wanted to post for two reasons. Firstly, if academics and those who have spent a lifetime paid to work on research and study, had the monopoly on opinion and "truth", then the only literary biographies that were written (or at least read) would be those pulled together by specialist lecturers and professors. In fact, as we all know, popular literary biography is the domain of the "common" reader, so I would encourage us all to speak up and comment as we wish and as we believe. This bulletin board should be capable of a wonderfully catholic spread of opinion, not all of which need be the result of years or research. IN fact our subject, Mr D could easily pass muster here as one who reacted more on whim and emotion than anything else. So I would say that if any of us has a view, based on our own personal reading, we should speak up, and post often and without fear of any other reactions. Secondly, the academics and specialists on this board who do tend, at times, to condescend, have been proven wrong enough times for them not to be too precious about their opinions. I enjoy the various interchanges, and its actually quite entertaining to see various dirty linen being washed vicariously through some arcane point or other. The real issue here is that at least on this bulletin board, the academics have screwed up or been found wanting as much as anyone else. They might look as if they know what they are saying, but I can assure you they agonise over and take great care over their posts and then log on to see what points they might have scored with just as much care and attention as anyone on any other board. They are thin skinned and sensitive, but at the end of the day, they are human and I am sure this reminder to them to try and be more inclusive will not go amiss. I will close by appealing to the moderators on this forum to re-ignite free conversation by, perhaps, leaning a little on those obvious posts which tend to peter off into "private" tennis matches. Scoring arcane points that actually relate back to arguments or disagreements which have matter only to the two or three people involved in the postings can be best achieved amongst yourselves. The rest of us really don't care. We are here because we enjoy and wish to learn more about and discuss in an open way, the work of Durrell. This list, in the past, has been a brilliant forum, with a wide range of contributors. Lets not watch it die. And there you have it. An appeal from an enthusiast who wishes to encourage a great deal more participation than has suddenly become the norm. On 26/09/2010 19:49, "Ilyas Khan" wrote: When Durrell started to talk about his life as a writer in later life, his truth, that is, the truth he chose to highlight, was not the same "truth" that would have prevailed as he sat down, pen in hand, as a barely pubescent young boy. For those of you familiar with his "ballad of slow decay" or any of those first handful of published poems, Durrell's truth was as much a distant relative to that on display during his later years, as might be mine or yours from a similar distance. This much, at least, many have observed and spoken of. But I see that the real multitude of truths is not easily explained either by narrative device (ie the quartet of perspectives captured in the AQ), or by the distance afforded by time (and change, either of circumstance or perspective). I see that the manifold explanations that attach themselves to Durrell and his ever changing pulchritudinous worlds is rather simple. He was an addictive liar. Perhaps it would be kinder to say that he was a skilled dis-assembler of facts. This is to take nothing away from his writing. I have come across too many wonderful writers who are disappointing human beings to be upset by the contrast between the man percieved through his work, and the individual in real life. What works, or might actually be desirable on the page, also stands in contrast to what we might admire or detest in real life, and that, in simple terms, is part of the explanation around LD. Durrell's great friend Aldington was not above criticisms along the same lines. I go back to the ballad I refer to at the start of this brief commentary. His life was quite uncannily captured in synopsis by the prevalent analogy of the poem. Not that I am saying, for one moment, that he donned the garb of a fortune teller and put himself as the subject of a mystical forecast. No, I cant tie a neat bow and ribbon around that theory, but it does stand some scrutiny when taken with the requisite seasoning of hindsight. David, your reminder (to me) of Gideon prompted this reply. My longest and most considered contribution to this forum in all the years I have tended to "lurk" and enjoy your and others' comments. With much fondness from deepest darkest Surrey, On 26/09/2010 00:54, "Denise Tart & David Green" wrote: "But what is truth? Is truth a changing law? We both have truths, a mine the same as yours?" Pontius Pilate to Jesus in Jesus Christ Super Star "In God's name what is the Truth? that Millions are dead and more will die because Spain makes war on the catholic king of France who makes war on catholic Germany, all helped by protestants, by a hundred other kings, princes and bishops, all for their own rotten purposes.." Vogel in James Clavell's The Last Valley " the truth is your leaders are bigots, your generals are bandits and the pope plays politics!" The Captain in James Clavell's The Last Valley. "the Truth may be pure, but is is rarely simple" Oscar Wilde Surely the AQ with its four views of the same apparent reality, questions the very nature of reality (truth) itself. Durrell saw the dream world, the so called real world and the world of fiction as very much blurred and said so in interviews. Beyond objective reality - that, on Earth, a stone falls to ground when dropped - the rest is construction, invention. The Duke of Wellington said that the true history of the Battle of Waterloo could never be written because each participant only remembers his own part in it - just as each reader experiences a novel or poem differently .... is truth that important??? It is said that Gideon in Reflections on a Marine Venus was a Durrell construction - but real to me and one of my favourite LD characters. 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URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/d5040044/attachment.html From gkoger at mindspring.com Mon Sep 27 10:31:16 2010 From: gkoger at mindspring.com (gkoger at mindspring.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [ilds] Q Message-ID: <15324226.1285608677528.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/47be5547/attachment.html From ilyas.khan at crosby.com Mon Sep 27 10:37:01 2010 From: ilyas.khan at crosby.com (Ilyas Khan) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:37:01 +0100 Subject: [ilds] Q In-Reply-To: <0BEF02A471383D429ADB5873552EF09574AFDA9366@mail2.directed.com> Message-ID: Very good Ken, very good indeed ! On 27/09/2010 16:45, "Ken Gammage" wrote: > I was going to send this privately to Bruce and Grove, but perhaps others will > be interested too. From Saturday?s Los Angeles Times - using an ultra-precise > clock, scientists have now measured relativistic effects near sea level and at > slow speeds: > > http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-relativity-20100925,0,7205568.story > > In reference to this weekend?s stimulating discussion about Truth, I think > what this means is, we CAN cite the Uncertainty Principle and other Quantum > effects in relation to the ?real world? and our everyday lives. > > -- Ken > > > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [mailto:ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf > Of Ilyas Khan > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:59 AM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: Re: [ilds] Q > > > To all ILDS bulletin posters and ?lurkers?, academics and casual readers, > specialists and enthusiasts. > > In response to my posting on truth, I received a quite extraordinary number of > responses. ALL PRIVATE, and pretty much all from people who would classify > themselves as ?non academic? or at least ?not having devoted their working > lives to the pursuit of literarture and its study?. > > The point they made is that in recent months this bulletin board has fallen, > in their collective view, to the lowest common denominator between academics > who treat the place as if it were made for them to have a ?private tennis > match?, and with attendant impact on their treatment of other, less > specialised members. A good number of people who sent me a message said that > they were basically reduced to the status of a lurker by the treatment they > had or have received from these same ?academics?. > > So why am I writing ? Why put this email together. > > In general terms I was quite sad to see that so many valid comments were sent > to me in private since people feared or had no trust in the bulletin board > reaction to what they might consider being a ?non? academic comment. > > I therefore wanted to post for two reasons. > > Firstly, if academics and those who have spent a lifetime paid to work on > research and study, had the monopoly on opinion and ?truth?, then the only > literary biographies that were written (or at least read) would be those > pulled together by specialist lecturers and professors. In fact, as we all > know, popular literary biography is the domain of the ?common? reader, so I > would encourage us all to speak up and comment as we wish and as we believe. > This bulletin board should be capable of a wonderfully catholic spread of > opinion, not all of which need be the result of years or research. IN fact our > subject, Mr D could easily pass muster here as one who reacted more on whim > and emotion than anything else. So I would say that if any of us has a view, > based on our own personal reading, we should speak up, and post often and > without fear of any other reactions. > > Secondly, the academics and specialists on this board who do tend, at times, > to condescend, have been proven wrong enough times for them not to be too > precious about their opinions. I enjoy the various interchanges, and its > actually quite entertaining to see various dirty linen being washed > vicariously through some arcane point or other. > > The real issue here is that at least on this bulletin board, the academics > have screwed up or been found wanting as much as anyone else. They might look > as if they know what they are saying, but I can assure you they agonise over > and take great care over their posts and then log on to see what points they > might have scored with just as much care and attention as anyone on any other > board. They are thin skinned and sensitive, but at the end of the day, they > are human and I am sure this reminder to them to try and be more inclusive > will not go amiss. > > I will close by appealing to the moderators on this forum to re-ignite free > conversation by, perhaps, leaning a little on those obvious posts which tend > to peter off into ?private? tennis matches. Scoring arcane points that > actually relate back to arguments or disagreements which have matter only to > the two or three people involved in the postings can be best achieved amongst > yourselves. The rest of us really don?t care. We are here because we enjoy and > wish to learn more about and discuss in an open way, the work of Durrell. This > list, in the past, has been a brilliant forum, with a wide range of > contributors. Lets not watch it die. > > And there you have it. An appeal from an enthusiast who wishes to encourage a > great deal more participation than has suddenly become the norm. > > > > On 26/09/2010 19:49, "Ilyas Khan" wrote: > When Durrell started to talk about his life as a writer in later life, his > truth, that is, the truth he chose to highlight, was not the same ?truth? that > would have prevailed as he sat down, pen in hand, as a barely pubescent young > boy. > > For those of you familiar with his ?ballad of slow decay? or any of those > first handful of published poems, Durrell?s truth was as much a distant > relative to that on display during his later years, as might be mine or yours > from a similar distance. > > This much, at least, many have observed and spoken of. But I see that the real > multitude of truths is not easily explained either by narrative device (ie the > quartet of perspectives captured in the AQ), or by the distance afforded by > time (and change, either of circumstance or perspective). I see that the > manifold explanations that attach themselves to Durrell and his ever changing > pulchritudinous worlds is rather simple. He was an addictive liar. Perhaps it > would be kinder to say that he was a skilled dis-assembler of facts. This is > to take nothing away from his writing. I have come across too many wonderful > writers who are disappointing human beings to be upset by the contrast between > the man percieved through his work, and the individual in real life. > > What works, or might actually be desirable on the page, also stands in > contrast to what we might admire or detest in real life, and that, in simple > terms, is part of the explanation around LD. Durrell?s great friend Aldington > was not above criticisms along the same lines. > > I go back to the ballad I refer to at the start of this brief commentary. His > life was quite uncannily captured in synopsis by the prevalent analogy of the > poem. Not that I am saying, for one moment, that he donned the garb of a > fortune teller and put himself as the subject of a mystical forecast. No, I > cant tie a neat bow and ribbon around that theory, but it does stand some > scrutiny when taken with the requisite seasoning of hindsight. > > David, your reminder (to me) of Gideon prompted this reply. My longest and > most considered contribution to this forum in all the years I have tended to > ?lurk? and enjoy your and others? comments. > > With much fondness from deepest darkest Surrey, > > > > On 26/09/2010 00:54, "Denise Tart & David Green" wrote: > "But what is truth? Is truth a changing law? We both have truths, a mine the > same as yours?" > > Pontius Pilate to Jesus in Jesus Christ Super Star > > "In God's name what is the Truth? that Millions are dead and more will die > because Spain makes war on the catholic king of France who makes war on > catholic Germany, all helped by protestants, by a hundred other kings, princes > and bishops, all for their own rotten purposes.." > > Vogel in James Clavell's The Last Valley > > " the truth is your leaders are bigots, your generals are bandits and the pope > plays politics!" > > The Captain in James Clavell's The Last Valley. > > "the Truth may be pure, but is is rarely simple" > > Oscar Wilde > > Surely the AQ with its four views of the same apparent reality, questions the > very nature of reality (truth) itself. Durrell saw the dream world, the so > called real world and the world of fiction as very much blurred and said so in > interviews. Beyond objective reality - that, on Earth, a stone falls to ground > when dropped - the rest is construction, invention. The Duke of Wellington > said that the true history of the Battle of Waterloo could never be written > because each participant only remembers his own part in it - just as each > reader experiences a novel or poem differently .... is truth that important??? > > It is said that Gideon in Reflections on a Marine Venus was a Durrell > construction - but real to me and one of my favourite LD characters. > > David Whitewine > > > > > 16 William Street > Marrickville NSW 2204 > + 61 2 9564 6`65 > 0412 707 625 > www.denisetart.com.au > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > This email may contain confidential and/or privileged > information. It is intended only for the person or persons to > whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply email or > telephone and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/e00e0cb7/attachment.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 27 11:01:13 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:01:13 -0700 Subject: [ilds] BALLADE OF SLOW DECAY In-Reply-To: <4CA087B6.9050000@utc.edu> References: <4CA087B6.9050000@utc.edu> Message-ID: <559BFCB4-1796-4439-92D3-B9E356C73E2A@earthlink.net> Ilyas and Charles, Thanks for the poem. I hadn't read it before. A couple of things. Yes, the poem, apparently written when LD was twenty, seems prophetic and could have been "true" fifty years later. It's like Da Capo talking about his father and his model of a woman made of rubber ? which comes across as a picture of Durrell in his later years. I think LD was clairvoyant. Also, it's a mark of his genius. I wouldn't be surprised had he dashed it off in minutes. Keats could do that. Beethoven too. "Slow Decay" reminds of Beethoven's short composition for the piano, his angry over a lost penny. Trivial subjects but not trivial works. Bruce On Sep 27, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: > On 9/26/10 2:49 PM, Ilyas Khan wrote: >> For those of you familiar with his ?ballad of slow decay? or any of those first handful of published poems, Durrell?s truth was as much a distant relative to that on display during his later years, as might be mine or yours from a similar distance. > Good point, Ilyas. >> I go back to the ballad I refer to at the start of this brief commentary. His life was quite uncannily captured in synopsis by the prevalent analogy of the poem. Not that I am saying, for one moment, that he donned the garb of a fortune teller and put himself as the subject of a mystical forecast. No, I cant tie a neat bow and ribbon around that theory, but it does stand some scrutiny when taken with the requisite seasoning of hindsight. > Here below please find an early Christmas gift, the complete text of "The Ballade of Slow Decay." I hope others will have much to say in response. >> BALLADE OF SLOW DECAY >> This business grows more dreary year by year, >> The season with its seasonable joys, >> When there is so much extra now on beer, >> And therefore so much less to spend on toys: >> And now that Auntie Mauds had twins (both boys), >> And all the family is knitting clothes-- >> It makes me want to stamp and make a noise: >> I wish that George would pay me what he owes. >> I realise that Cousin Jane is 'dear', >> And that sweet Minnie has such 'grace and poise', >> But why should they be planning to come here, >> When Winifred my manuscript destroys, >> And dearest little Bertie mis-employs >> His time by crying when he sees my nose-- >> It makes me want to stamp and make a noise: >> I wish that George would pay me what he owes. >> How can a man withstand the atmosphere, >> This hell compounded of such strange alloys? >> Grandma's too old to do a thing but leer, >> And call the home-made mince-pies 'saveloys'. >> Grandpa keeps drooling on about sepoys, >> The Indian situation and the snows-- >> It makes me want to stamp and make a noise: >> I wish that George would pay me what he owes. >> ENVOI >> Prince, if I once disturbed your equipoise, >> By sending you my old discarded hose-- >> Perhaps you'd help me stamp and make a noise, >> And wish that George would pay me what he owes? >> 1980/Christmas, 1932 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100927/7fb31a40/attachment.html From dtart at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 27 13:47:08 2010 From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 06:47:08 +1000 Subject: [ilds] Q In-Reply-To: <9802384.1285603191108.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9802384.1285603191108.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <52643FCF4E2A4A55907BB5A369BBB082@DenisePC> QGrove said: I seem to remember episodes from the biographies in which Durrell confused the people around him with the characters in his novels. Grove, I mentioned earlier that Larry went in for a kind of 'method' writing and, having built his own heraldic universe, came to inhabit it in a physical and well as mental way. the scene where purswarden spits wine into his reflection in the mirror, is remarkably similar to how Durrell described aspects of his own creative process: getting up early and insulting his own reflection while shaving, a degree of self loathing perhaps or a way of generating a requisite humility to begin work. Later in life, if we become famous, or even if not, we can become, as we say here in Terra Australis, "heavily influenced by our own bullshit!" for a writer this can be a good thing, for someone to live with - well, another story. David Rhine Reisling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website looked quite good and the signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. Don -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) From: John at JohnAtkinsonBooks To: dkaczv at latech.edu Dear Donald Please pardon this intrusion. I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a hand-written poem and rare limited greetings cards. I have attached the information about this collection to this email. Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know anyone who may be interested in this. All the best John Dr John Atkinson John Atkinson Books www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of James Gifford [james.d.gifford at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:28 PM To: ILDS Listserv Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Hello all, For our intrepid collectors, this just came in through Don Kacz. I don't know the price, but it may be worth looking into. The same dealer also holds the ms. for "On the Suchness of the Old Boy" and other treats: . Page 12 of the PDF is a print not the original painting, which is held in Victoria. Best, James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:46:53 -0500 From: Don Kaczvinsky To: Paul Lorenz , James Gifford Paul-- You might want to forward this message from John Atkinson. The price for the collection is a little steep for my me, but others might find it reasonable. I don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website looked quite good and the signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. Don -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) From: John at JohnAtkinsonBooks To: dkaczv at latech.edu Dear Donald Please pardon this intrusion. I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a hand-written poem and rare limited greetings cards. I have attached the information about this collection to this email. Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know anyone who may be interested in this. All the best John Dr John Atkinson John Atkinson Books www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ From lalexsternthal at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 22:54:36 2010 From: lalexsternthal at gmail.com (Lee Sternthal) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:54:36 -0700 Subject: [ilds] britishpathe.com In-Reply-To: <4CA0AAFE.4070306@utc.edu> References: <4CA0AAFE.4070306@utc.edu> Message-ID: keep the videos coming. they're great. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Charles Sligh wrote: > Some choice viewing of familiar landscapes here -- Enjoy the last one! > > THE FLEET AT ALEXANDRIA video newsreel film > http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=25622 > > ALEXANDRIA BOMBED video newsreel film > http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12779 > > ITALIAN FLEET IN ALEXANDRIA video newsreel film > http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12371 > > CORFU video newsreel film (1962) > http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=516 > > The last film starts in London sometime before 1962 -- check out the novel > carried at the gent's side at 00:04.40 -- product placement??? > > C&c. > > -- > ******************************************** > Charles L. Sligh > Assistant Professor > Department of English > University of Tennessee at Chattanoogacharles-sligh at utc.edu > ******************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > -- ----------------------------------------------- "...but why is the rum gone?!?!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100928/e32e76d8/attachment.html From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Wed Sep 29 01:12:33 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection In-Reply-To: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com> References: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91194.10966.qm@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> This seems to be a very fair asking price for the collection. I wish we had the funds to purchase it for the Durrell Library - but we don't! RP ----- Original Message ---- From: James Gifford To: ILDS Listserv Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 12:28:46 AM Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Hello all, For our intrepid collectors, this just came in through Don Kacz.? I don't know the price, but it may be worth looking into.? The same dealer also holds the ms. for "On the Suchness of the Old Boy" and other treats: . Page 12 of the PDF is a print not the original painting, which is held in Victoria. Best, James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ??? Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Date: ??? Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:46:53 -0500 From: ??? Don Kaczvinsky To: ??? Paul Lorenz , James Gifford Paul-- You might want to forward this message from John Atkinson. The price for the collection is a little steep for my me, but others might find it reasonable. I don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website looked quite good and the signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. Don -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ??? Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Date: ??? Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) From: ??? John at JohnAtkinsonBooks To: ??? dkaczv at latech.edu Dear Donald Please pardon this intrusion. I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a hand-written poem and rare limited greetings cards. I have attached the information about this collection to this email. Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know anyone who may be interested in this. All the best John Dr John Atkinson John Atkinson Books www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ From wilded at hotmail.com Wed Sep 29 07:03:21 2010 From: wilded at hotmail.com (david wilde) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:03:21 -0600 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection In-Reply-To: <91194.10966.qm@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com>, <91194.10966.qm@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why not negotiate a deal of some kind at least to retain the mss for the Durrell Library as an option. Too good an opporrtunity to miss for the LDS. I would buy them but my pension barely covers rent! Thanks for the notice. David Wilde > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:12:33 -0700 > From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > > This seems to be a very fair asking price for the collection. I wish we had the > funds to purchase it for the Durrell Library - but we don't! > RP > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: James Gifford > To: ILDS Listserv > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 12:28:46 AM > Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > > Hello all, > > For our intrepid collectors, this just came in through Don Kacz. I don't know > the price, but it may be worth looking into. The same dealer also holds the ms. > for "On the Suchness of the Old Boy" and other treats: > . > > Page 12 of the PDF is a print not the original painting, which is held in > Victoria. > > Best, > James > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:46:53 -0500 > From: Don Kaczvinsky > To: Paul Lorenz , James Gifford > > > Paul-- > > You might want to forward this message from John Atkinson. The price for the > collection is a little steep for my me, but others might find it reasonable. I > don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website looked quite good and the > signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. > > Don > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) > From: John at JohnAtkinsonBooks > To: dkaczv at latech.edu > > > Dear Donald > > Please pardon this intrusion. > > I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous > association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a hand-written poem > and rare limited greetings cards. > > I have attached the information about this collection to this email. > > Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know anyone > who may be interested in this. > > All the best > > John > > Dr John Atkinson > > John Atkinson Books > www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk > > /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100929/4db3f6b5/attachment.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 29 08:09:23 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:09:23 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection In-Reply-To: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com> References: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com> Message-ID: This beautiful collection belongs in a good library where it can be properly preserved and made accessible to everyone. I'd be willing to make a donation towards that end. BR On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:28 PM, James Gifford wrote: > Hello all, > > For our intrepid collectors, this just came in through Don Kacz. I don't know the price, but it may be worth looking into. The same dealer also holds the ms. for "On the Suchness of the Old Boy" and other treats: . > > Page 12 of the PDF is a print not the original painting, which is held in Victoria. > > Best, > James > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:46:53 -0500 > From: Don Kaczvinsky > To: Paul Lorenz , James Gifford > > > Paul-- > > You might want to forward this message from John Atkinson. The price for the collection is a little steep for my me, but others might find it reasonable. I don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website looked quite good and the signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. > > Don > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) > From: John at JohnAtkinsonBooks > To: dkaczv at latech.edu > > > Dear Donald > > Please pardon this intrusion. > > I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a hand-written poem and rare limited greetings cards. > > I have attached the information about this collection to this email. > > Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know anyone who may be interested in this. > > All the best > > John > > Dr John Atkinson > > John Atkinson Books > www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk > > /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Wed Sep 29 09:08:22 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection In-Reply-To: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com> References: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <424838.30328.qm@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> The vendor/bookseller is a little tentative about whether or not Margaret McCall and LD had a relationship (sexual). They certainly did. I met McCall when she accompanied LD to Dublin for a week in 1972. LD had asked me to engage a double room but they had difficulty registering in the hotel because McCall insisted on signing her own name - it took some persuasion to get them admitted. The kernel of the week is described (based, but not with complete accuracy,?on my account) by MacNiven in the biography (p. 590). I liked McCall very much, but the tension between them was obvious, and LD was trying to 'dump' her - but (if you read p. 590) Pine did not, during an unpleasant exchange while they were in the back of my girlfriend's car,?'freeze at the wheel' as MacNiven recounts, because I wasn't driving. After that, LD wrote the poem 'Dublin' (Collected Poems p. 334) and told me that it referred to the fact that he was breaking up with McCall. I never met her again, although we corresponded, but she was brought in at a very late stage by the BBC to co-produce (with Nadia Haggar) the 'Bookmark' documentary on LD 'A Smile i n the Mind's Eye' of 1998', to which I contributed (I think Grove reviewed it for Deus Loci). I think her appearance as co-producer was due to the fact that she had unique footage of LD with henry Miller (in Sommieres?) which was used in the programme. Richard Pine ----- Original Message ---- From: James Gifford To: ILDS Listserv Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 12:28:46 AM Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Hello all, For our intrepid collectors, this just came in through Don Kacz.? I don't know the price, but it may be worth looking into.? The same dealer also holds the ms. for "On the Suchness of the Old Boy" and other treats: . Page 12 of the PDF is a print not the original painting, which is held in Victoria. Best, James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ??? Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Date: ??? Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:46:53 -0500 From: ??? Don Kaczvinsky To: ??? Paul Lorenz , James Gifford Paul-- You might want to forward this message from John Atkinson. The price for the collection is a little steep for my me, but others might find it reasonable. I don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website looked quite good and the signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. Don -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ??? Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection Date: ??? Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) From: ??? John at JohnAtkinsonBooks To: ??? dkaczv at latech.edu Dear Donald Please pardon this intrusion. I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a hand-written poem and rare limited greetings cards. I have attached the information about this collection to this email. Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know anyone who may be interested in this. All the best John Dr John Atkinson John Atkinson Books www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 29 11:07:28 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:07:28 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection In-Reply-To: <424838.30328.qm@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com> <424838.30328.qm@web65813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <209D7837-9110-4258-B23D-2DBEF93AE2A5@earthlink.net> RP, Thanks for the anecdote. This is the sort of thing that should be included in any annotated edition of Durrell's poems. It helps to understand "Dublin" ? but of course opens up more questions. I hope Haag picks this up for his biography. BR On Sep 29, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > The vendor/bookseller is a little tentative about whether or not Margaret McCall > and LD had a relationship (sexual). They certainly did. I met McCall when she > accompanied LD to Dublin for a week in 1972. LD had asked me to engage a double > room but they had difficulty registering in the hotel because McCall insisted on > signing her own name - it took some persuasion to get them admitted. The kernel > of the week is described (based, but not with complete accuracy, on my account) > by MacNiven in the biography (p. 590). > I liked McCall very much, but the tension between them was obvious, and LD was > trying to 'dump' her - but (if you read p. 590) Pine did not, during an > unpleasant exchange while they were in the back of my girlfriend's car, 'freeze > at the wheel' as MacNiven recounts, because I wasn't driving. > After that, LD wrote the poem 'Dublin' (Collected Poems p. 334) and told me that > it referred to the fact that he was breaking up with McCall. > I never met her again, although we corresponded, but she was brought in at a > very late stage by the BBC to co-produce (with Nadia Haggar) the 'Bookmark' > documentary on LD 'A Smile i n the Mind's Eye' of 1998', to which I contributed > (I think Grove reviewed it for Deus Loci). I think her appearance as co-producer > was due to the fact that she had unique footage of LD with henry Miller (in > Sommieres?) which was used in the programme. > Richard Pine > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: James Gifford > To: ILDS Listserv > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 12:28:46 AM > Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > > Hello all, > > For our intrepid collectors, this just came in through Don Kacz. I don't know > the price, but it may be worth looking into. The same dealer also holds the ms. > for "On the Suchness of the Old Boy" and other treats: > . > > Page 12 of the PDF is a print not the original painting, which is held in > Victoria. > > Best, > James > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:46:53 -0500 > From: Don Kaczvinsky > To: Paul Lorenz , James Gifford > > > Paul-- > > You might want to forward this message from John Atkinson. The price for the > collection is a little steep for my me, but others might find it reasonable. I > don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website looked quite good and the > signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. > > Don > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) > From: John at JohnAtkinsonBooks > To: dkaczv at latech.edu > > > Dear Donald > > Please pardon this intrusion. > > I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous > association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a hand-written poem > and rare limited greetings cards. > > I have attached the information about this collection to this email. > > Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know anyone > who may be interested in this. > > All the best > > John > > Dr John Atkinson > > John Atkinson Books > www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk > > /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ > From ilyas.khan at crosby.com Thu Sep 30 02:39:54 2010 From: ilyas.khan at crosby.com (Ilyas Khan) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:39:54 +0100 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection In-Reply-To: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com> Message-ID: James thank you for this heads up. I was able to complete the purchase of the items yesterday. It is basically the other "missing half" of a collection that I already own, and have been on the look out for a little while. Thank you for your kind prompt. Ilyas On 28/09/2010 22:28, "James Gifford" wrote: > Hello all, > > For our intrepid collectors, this just came in through Don Kacz. I > don't know the price, but it may be worth looking into. The same dealer > also holds the ms. for "On the Suchness of the Old Boy" and other > treats: . > > Page 12 of the PDF is a print not the original painting, which is held > in Victoria. > > Best, > James > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:46:53 -0500 > From: Don Kaczvinsky > To: Paul Lorenz , James Gifford > > > Paul-- > > You might want to forward this message from John Atkinson. The price for > the collection is a little steep for my me, but others might find it > reasonable. I don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website > looked quite good and the signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. > > Don > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) > From: John at JohnAtkinsonBooks > To: dkaczv at latech.edu > > > Dear Donald > > Please pardon this intrusion. > > I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous > association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a > hand-written poem and rare limited greetings cards. > > I have attached the information about this collection to this email. > > Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know > anyone who may be interested in this. > > All the best > > John > > Dr John Atkinson > > John Atkinson Books > www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk > > /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Thu Sep 30 09:13:00 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:13:00 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection In-Reply-To: References: <4CA25E0E.7030708@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1F1@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Congratulations Ilyas. I thought you might. Bill W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Ilyas Khan [ilyas.khan at crosby.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:39 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection James thank you for this heads up. I was able to complete the purchase of the items yesterday. It is basically the other "missing half" of a collection that I already own, and have been on the look out for a little while. Thank you for your kind prompt. Ilyas On 28/09/2010 22:28, "James Gifford" wrote: > Hello all, > > For our intrepid collectors, this just came in through Don Kacz. I > don't know the price, but it may be worth looking into. The same dealer > also holds the ms. for "On the Suchness of the Old Boy" and other > treats: . > > Page 12 of the PDF is a print not the original painting, which is held > in Victoria. > > Best, > James > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fwd: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:46:53 -0500 > From: Don Kaczvinsky > To: Paul Lorenz , James Gifford > > > Paul-- > > You might want to forward this message from John Atkinson. The price for > the collection is a little steep for my me, but others might find it > reasonable. I don't know the rep of John Atkinson, but the website > looked quite good and the signatures seemed (with a quick glance) authentic. > > Don > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Lawrence Durrell Signed Collection > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:41:37 +0000 (GMT) > From: John at JohnAtkinsonBooks > To: dkaczv at latech.edu > > > Dear Donald > > Please pardon this intrusion. > > I am a UK based book seller and I have recently acquired a marvellous > association collection of signed Durrell ephemera, including a > hand-written poem and rare limited greetings cards. > > I have attached the information about this collection to this email. > > Please let me know if you are interested in this, or indeed, if you know > anyone who may be interested in this. > > All the best > > John > > Dr John Atkinson > > John Atkinson Books > www.johnatkinsonbooks.co.uk > > /Fine and Rare First Edition Books/ > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 06:50:04 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 06:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction Message-ID: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden (1928). 'This book is founded on?my experiences in the Intelligence Department during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of Ashenden. RP From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Sat Oct 2 09:00:08 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:00:08 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. Bill W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of Ashenden. RP _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 09:11:33 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: <597636.1422.qm@web65805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I always thought your middle name was Leigh, not Leavis, Bill. RP ----- Original Message ---- From: "Godshalk, William (godshawl)" To: "ilds at lists.uvic.ca" Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:00:08 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. Bill W. L. Godshalk * Department of English? ? *? ? ? ? ? * University of Cincinnati*? * Stellar Disorder? * OH 45221-0069 *? * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of Ashenden. RP _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 2 09:12:37 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:12:37 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79FECBC8-D2C9-4E62-A647-DC074D5EB713@earthlink.net> Not at all surprised. I think Durrell knew and practiced this truth before reading Maugham. BR On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden > (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department > during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. > It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of > Ashenden. > RP > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101002/bd6da692/attachment.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 2 09:17:45 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:17:45 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: <788224D2-E22B-4242-949A-79BD20F45A38@earthlink.net> I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. BR On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. > > Bill > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden > (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department > during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. > It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of > Ashenden. > RP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101002/d22e8f2b/attachment.html From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 09:40:24 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <788224D2-E22B-4242-949A-79BD20F45A38@earthlink.net> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <788224D2-E22B-4242-949A-79BD20F45A38@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <458828.30268.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> All the more reason for us all to revisit LD's 'Minor Mythologies'. 'The reader who enjoys Proust and Kafka wil seldom confess that he enjoys P.G. Wodehouse and vice versa'. But that prejudice/embarrassment was precisely what LD set out to confront. (And he had Agatha Christie and Simenon too, Bill!) RP ________________________________ From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:17:45 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. BR On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. > >Bill >W. L. Godshalk * >Department of English ???* ??????????* >University of Cincinnati* ??* Stellar Disorder ?* >OH 45221-0069 * ?* >________________________________________ >From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of >Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM >To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca >Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction > >'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden >(1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department >during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. >It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of >Ashenden. >RP > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101002/49fb8747/attachment.html From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Sat Oct 2 10:20:37 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:20:37 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <597636.1422.qm@web65805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>, <597636.1422.qm@web65805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FF@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> I will revalue that. W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:11 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction I always thought your middle name was Leigh, not Leavis, Bill. RP ----- Original Message ---- From: "Godshalk, William (godshawl)" To: "ilds at lists.uvic.ca" Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:00:08 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. Bill W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of Ashenden. RP _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Sat Oct 2 10:39:47 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:39:47 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction -- a matter of taste Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE200@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Like many Americans and Frenchmen, I like noir. In fact I read hardcore detective fiction, murder mysteries, crime fiction, le Carre (just ordered his new novel), Randy Wayne White, Clive Custer, Hammett, Chandler, Joe Gores, Ngaio Marsh, and other great writers. I wondered if I would get a lively reaction to my assessment of Larry's taste. Bill W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:40 PM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction All the more reason for us all to revisit LD's 'Minor Mythologies'. 'The reader who enjoys Proust and Kafka wil seldom confess that he enjoys P.G. Wodehouse and vice versa'. But that prejudice/embarrassment was precisely what LD set out to confront. (And he had Agatha Christie and Simenon too, Bill!) RP ________________________________ From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:17:45 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. BR On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. Bill W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of Ashenden. RP From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 2 10:41:36 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:41:36 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <458828.30268.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <788224D2-E22B-4242-949A-79BD20F45A38@earthlink.net> <458828.30268.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <174ECBEF-5B20-4CB1-A461-BB7F1D915AC4@earthlink.net> Yes. But as far as the High Moderns go, Durrell wasn't the first to recognize this. He was following Joyce's lead, who was mining the popular culture of his age and putting it into Ulysses. Pound and Eliot are highbrow in their tastes. That last paragraph to "Minor Mythologies" (Deus Loci, NS 7, 1999-2000) seems to me particularly apt and true. Perhaps Charles can reproduce. BR On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > All the more reason for us all to revisit LD's 'Minor Mythologies'. 'The reader who enjoys Proust and Kafka wil seldom confess that he enjoys P.G. Wodehouse and vice versa'. But that prejudice/embarrassment was precisely what LD set out to confront. (And he had Agatha Christie and Simenon too, Bill!) > RP > > From: Bruce Redwine > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Cc: Bruce Redwine > Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:17:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. > > > BR > > > > On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > >> Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. >> >> Bill >> W. L. Godshalk * >> Department of English * * >> University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * >> OH 45221-0069 * * >> ________________________________________ >> From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM >> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca >> Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction >> >> 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden >> (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department >> during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. >> It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of >> Ashenden. >> RP > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101002/ecc1622f/attachment.html From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 10:58:24 2010 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:58:24 -0700 Subject: [ilds] CFP - Revisiting D.H. Lawrence and Lawrence Durrell (2011) In-Reply-To: <559BFCB4-1796-4439-92D3-B9E356C73E2A@earthlink.net> References: <4CA087B6.9050000@utc.edu> <559BFCB4-1796-4439-92D3-B9E356C73E2A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4CA772C0.3030501@gmail.com> Hello all, I've attached here (and pasted below) a Call for Papers from Ravi Nambiar for an International Seminar on D.H. Lawrence and Lawrence Durrell, June 2011. I hope this proves of interest, and I'd especially encourage anyone who can travel there to support this event. Best, James ----------------------- International Seminar, ?Revisiting D.H. Lawrence and Lawrence Durrell? S B College, Changanassery, Kerala, India ? 14- 16 June 2011 Deadline for Proposal: 31 October 2010. We are hosting an International Seminar on two of the most prominent novelistas and poets of the last century, Lawrence Durrell and D.H. Lawrence, whose influence in the world of letters is far reaching. It may also be remembered that D.H. Lawrence now completes 125 years, and Lawrence Durrell will be100 in 2012. The topic is made broad enough to accommodate the participation of as many students, teachers, and scholars as possible. Durrell?s mentor and guru, Lawrence, observed that ?the civilized society is insane? and claimed that he ?shall change the world for the next thousand years.? Durrell in an interview said that ?my notion of the affective flow is upwards, a notion I borrowed from the Hindus, Lawrence cuts the tree down.? Commenting on the role of the artists, Durrell said, ?Just as I see artists as a great battalion moving through paint, words, music towards cosmological interpretation I see them linked on the right and left by the pure scientist. Ideas are sort of biological entities to me.? These two cosmopoetic writers have gained greatness not only as twentieth century novelists but also as great poets, travel writers, and painters. However, it is in the subject of love they have many things in common. As George Steiner puts it, ?both D.H. Lawrence and Durrell see in the act of love the crucial affirmation of human identity and the only true bridge for the soul.? Therefore, there are very wide unexhausted areas for the scholars to work upon. Yet, the papers which can touch upon the keen interest of these writers in Indian philosophy will surely make the seminar more insightful. The Keynote address on D.H. Lawrence will be delivered by Prof. Keith Cushman (University of North Carolina) And on Durrell by Prof. Corinne Alexandre-Garner, University of Paris X. We are extremely pleased to announce the participation of Prof. Isabelle Keller-Privat, University of Toulouse Le Mirai and Dr. Fiona Tomkinson, Yeditepe University, Istambul. We also expect the participation of Dr.Ian S. MacNiven, Biographer of Durrell, Dr. Paul Lorenz, Secretary of Lawrence Durrell Society, and many more Lawrenceans and Durrellians. Those from India who have already expressed their willingness to participate are Dr. N. Ekambaram, University of Madras (retd), Dr. Sachidananda Mohanty and Dr. Pramod K. Nayar, the Central University, Hyderabad. Deadlines to remember: ? Submission of abstracts No later than 31st October 2010 ? Notification of acceptance 30th November 2010 ? Early registration before 31st March 2011 ? Standard registration No later than 30th May 2011 ? Late registration No later than 10th June 2011 Registration Fee: ? No registration fee for the participants from foreign countries. ? Teacher pay Rupees One Thousand (1000) and ? Research students only Rupees Five Hundred (500) ? The lunch and tea will be free for the registered participants. Venue of the Seminar: St. Berchmans? College, Changanassery, Kerala, South India. Also known as S. B. College, St.Berchmans? College is one of the most reputed Colleges in Kerala, India, situated in the town of Changanassery, 18 kilometers south of Kottayam. Established in 1922, the College has grown over the years into one of the leading colleges in South India with thirteen postgraduate and seven research departments. It is run by the Catholic Archdiocese of Changanassery and is affiliated to Mahatma Gandhi University, Kottayam. It is recognized by the University Grants Commission (UGC). St. Berchmans? has a sprawling green campus and large play grounds. Lawrence Durrell Research Centre. The department of English is reponsible for the Durrell Studies Centre in the college. It was established in 1997 with the great efforts of Dr. C. Ravindran Nambiar and Dr. Ian S. MacNiven.The centre has a collection of books and journals gifted by the International Lawrence Durrell Society. The college hosted an International Durrell Conference in 1998. Several researchers and scholars have been using the research facilities available at the Durrell Centre. Seminar Facilities: The college has two airconditioned conference halls of the international standard and three public audience audtoriums. More details regarding the college is available at sbcollege.org Each paper will get twenty minutes for presentation. Proposals in about 250-300 words and a brief note about the presenter may be sent by email to Prof. Gigy Joseph, Department of English, S B College, Changanassery, Kerala. gigijosephk at yahoo.com. If you need any further clarifications, please contact Gigy, gigijosephk at yahoo.com or Dr. C. Ravindran Nambiar, cnncravi at gmail.com. Travel Facilities: Kerala, located on the Southwestern tip of India, enjoys unique geographical features that have made it one of the most sought-after tourist destinations in Asia. Fondly referred to as ?God?s Own Country,? Kerala was selected by the National Geographic Traveler as one of the 50 destinations of a lifetime and one of the thirteen paradises in the world. Kerala lies on the South western tip of India bounded by the Arabian Sea on one side and the Western Ghats Mountains on the other side. It has a rich cultural tradition and history that is traced back to the Old Testament times. An equable climate, serene beaches, tranquil stretches of backwaters; lush hill stations and exotic wildlife are the major attractions of this land. It is also one of the most ecosensitive regions of the world with low lying wetlands on the western side and the high ranges on the east. A unique advantage of Kerala is that most of the destinations here are just two to four hour drive from the other?. www.keralatourism.org Weather: In Kerala, the season never ends, thanks to the year-long moderate climate and numerous festivals and events. It has more than 60 rivers and receives the heaviest rainfall in India especially during the Monsoon season. The temperature can vary from 24 (Celsius) to 35. It enjoys the most salubrious climate throughout the year. Hence tourists find it a have throughout the seasons. International Travel: Kerala has international standards of travel and Tourism.We have three international Airoprts. The best known airport is centrally located at Nedumbasserry which is only 90 kms from Changanacherry, barely two hours drive from the town. Rail and road facilities are available along with water transport. Accommodation: For accommodation please contact gigijosephk at yahoo.com or josyjoseph at hotmail.com For direct booking please use these websites: http://www.contourresorts.com/facilities.php http://www.kerala-hub.com/kerala-hotels/hotel-vani.html http://www.thiruvalla.com/elite/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Durrell CFP SB College 2011.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 102635 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101002/e1c1f1f1/attachment.pdf From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 2 11:00:58 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:00:58 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction -- a matter of taste In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE200@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE200@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: My early obsession was Egyptology. When I first stumbled on Justine in 1958 I thought I was getting into some Orientalist fantasy on the order of G?r?me or Bridgman's Cleo on the the Terraces of Philae (see link). I wasn't wrong. BR www.frederickarthurbridgman.org/Cleopatra-On-The-Terraces-Of-Philae.html On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > Like many Americans and Frenchmen, I like noir. In fact I read hardcore detective fiction, murder mysteries, crime fiction, le Carre (just ordered his new novel), Randy Wayne White, Clive Custer, Hammett, Chandler, Joe Gores, Ngaio Marsh, and other great writers. > > I wondered if I would get a lively reaction to my assessment of Larry's taste. Bill > > > > > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:40 PM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > All the more reason for us all to revisit LD's 'Minor Mythologies'. 'The reader who enjoys Proust and Kafka wil seldom confess that he enjoys P.G. Wodehouse and vice versa'. But that prejudice/embarrassment was precisely what LD set out to confront. (And he had Agatha Christie and Simenon too, Bill!) > RP > > ________________________________ > From: Bruce Redwine > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Cc: Bruce Redwine > Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:17:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. > > > BR > > > > On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > > Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. > > Bill > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden > (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department > during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. > It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of > Ashenden. > RP > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101002/95ba8e11/attachment.html From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Sun Oct 3 09:19:23 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:19:23 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <174ECBEF-5B20-4CB1-A461-BB7F1D915AC4@earthlink.net> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <788224D2-E22B-4242-949A-79BD20F45A38@earthlink.net> <458828.30268.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, <174ECBEF-5B20-4CB1-A461-BB7F1D915AC4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE207@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Bruce opines: "Perhaps Charles can reproduce." Not only can he reproduce; he has. Twice. Delightful boys. One is a poet, the other, a scholar. Bill On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Richard Pine wrote: All the more reason for us all to revisit LD's 'Minor Mythologies'. 'The reader who enjoys Proust and Kafka wil seldom confess that he enjoys P.G. Wodehouse and vice versa'. But that prejudice/embarrassment was precisely what LD set out to confront. (And he had Agatha Christie and Simenon too, Bill!) RP ________________________________ From: Bruce Redwine > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine > Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:17:45 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. BR On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. Bill W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of Ashenden. RP From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 3 10:21:46 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:21:46 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE207@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <754445.10304.qm@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE1FE@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> <788224D2-E22B-4242-949A-79BD20F45A38@earthlink.net> <458828.30268.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <174ECBEF-5B20-4CB1-A461-BB7F1D915AC4@earthlink.net> <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE207@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: Chips off the old block. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:19 AM, "Godshalk, William (godshawl)" wrote: > Bruce opines: "Perhaps Charles can reproduce." > > Not only can he reproduce; he has. Twice. Delightful boys. One is a poet, the other, a scholar. > > Bill > > > > > > On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > > All the more reason for us all to revisit LD's 'Minor Mythologies'. 'The reader who enjoys Proust and Kafka wil seldom confess that he enjoys P.G. Wodehouse and vice versa'. But that prejudice/embarrassment was precisely what LD set out to confront. (And he had Agatha Christie and Simenon too, Bill!) > RP > > ________________________________ > From: Bruce Redwine > > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Cc: Bruce Redwine > > Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:17:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. > > > BR > > > > On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > > Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. > > Bill > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden > (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department > during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. > It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of > Ashenden. > RP > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From wilded at hotmail.com Sun Oct 3 11:24:23 2010 From: wilded at hotmail.com (david wilde) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:24:23 -0600 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction -- a matter of taste In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE200@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE200@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: "Hammett, Chandler, Joe Gores, Ngaio Marsh" But definirtely NOT Clive Custer! AMEN! dw > From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:39:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction -- a matter of taste > > Like many Americans and Frenchmen, I like noir. In fact I read hardcore detective fiction, murder mysteries, crime fiction, le Carre (just ordered his new novel), Randy Wayne White, Clive Custer, Hammett, Chandler, Joe Gores, Ngaio Marsh, and other great writers. > > I wondered if I would get a lively reaction to my assessment of Larry's taste. Bill > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:40 PM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > All the more reason for us all to revisit LD's 'Minor Mythologies'. 'The reader who enjoys Proust and Kafka wil seldom confess that he enjoys P.G. Wodehouse and vice versa'. But that prejudice/embarrassment was precisely what LD set out to confront. (And he had Agatha Christie and Simenon too, Bill!) > RP > > ________________________________ > From: Bruce Redwine > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Cc: Bruce Redwine > Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:17:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. > > > BR > > > > On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > > Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. > > Bill > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden > (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department > during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. > It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of > Ashenden. > RP > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101003/60808ae6/attachment.html From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Sun Oct 3 11:45:29 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:45:29 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction -- a matter of taste In-Reply-To: References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE200@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>, Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C63A1CE20D@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Clive is cotton candy. Little substance, but kinda sweet. And I love his image. All those cars. W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of david wilde [wilded at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 2:24 PM To: International Lawrence Durrell Lawrence Durrell Society Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction -- a matter of taste "Hammett, Chandler, Joe Gores, Ngaio Marsh" But definirtely NOT Clive Custer! AMEN! dw > From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:39:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction -- a matter of taste > > Like many Americans and Frenchmen, I like noir. In fact I read hardcore detective fiction, murder mysteries, crime fiction, le Carre (just ordered his new novel), Randy Wayne White, Clive Custer, Hammett, Chandler, Joe Gores, Ngaio Marsh, and other great writers. > > I wondered if I would get a lively reaction to my assessment of Larry's taste. Bill > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:40 PM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > All the more reason for us all to revisit LD's 'Minor Mythologies'. 'The reader who enjoys Proust and Kafka wil seldom confess that he enjoys P.G. Wodehouse and vice versa'. But that prejudice/embarrassment was precisely what LD set out to confront. (And he had Agatha Christie and Simenon too, Bill!) > RP > > ________________________________ > From: Bruce Redwine > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Cc: Bruce Redwine > Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 7:17:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > I thought the rule was de gustibus non est disputandum. > > > BR > > > > On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote: > > Larry's poor taste in fiction always surprises me. > > Bill > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * * > University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * > OH 45221-0069 * * > ________________________________________ > From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:50 AM > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction > > 'Fact is a poor story-teller': W Somerset Maugham in his Preface to Ashenden > (1928). 'This book is founded on my experiences in the Intelligence Department > during the war, but rearranged for the purposes of fiction'. > It may not surprise members of this group to know that LD possessed a copy of > Ashenden. > RP > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From gkoger at mindspring.com Sun Oct 3 14:20:48 2010 From: gkoger at mindspring.com (gkoger at mindspring.com) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 15:20:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [ilds] Fact and fiction Message-ID: <31888583.1286140848865.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20101003/e8edbfd5/attachment.html