From Smithchamberlin at aol.com Mon Aug 30 12:07:04 2010 From: Smithchamberlin at aol.com (Smithchamberlin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:07:04 EDT Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 41, Issue 21 Message-ID: <64212.1b41ae21.39ad5b58@aol.com> The Durrell School of Corfu also has a VHS copy of the film, which is - how shall one put it? - pretty bad. Brewster In a message dated 8/30/2010 3:00:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca writes: Send ILDS mailing list submissions to ilds at lists.uvic.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca You can reach the person managing the list at ilds-owner at lists.uvic.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Judith on YouTube (Marc Piel) 2. Judith on YouTube (Marc Piel) 3. Re: Judith on YouTube (Bruce Redwine) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:21:06 +0200 From: Marc Piel Subject: Re: [ilds] Judith on YouTube To: Durrell list , Bruce Redwine Message-ID: <4C7AEB62.3040601 at interdesign.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Hi Bruce, It seems to me that the subject was advanced not so long ago. Israel, Jewish women, Disappearing child, Nazi persecutor British (don't know what adjective to use here). All wrapped up into a neat package of celluloid. Too bad neither the script not the actors are not of LD literary quality. But don't you think it all fits into a LD context? B.R. Marc ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:22:56 +0200 From: Marc Piel Subject: [ilds] Judith on YouTube To: Bruce Redwine , Durrell list Message-ID: <4C7AEBD0.80606 at interdesign.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed You can watch "Judith" on YouTube in 10 episodes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd1VH2gfmM8&feature=related B.R. Marc ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:01:03 -0700 From: Bruce Redwine Subject: Re: [ilds] Judith on YouTube To: marcpiel at interdesign.fr, ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Marc, Yes, thanks. I'd forgotten the main features of Durrell's Judith plot: mysterious Jewish woman, a lost child in Palestine, and probably other theme s. All have biographical resonances. I believe Richard Pine said he has Durrell's script in his library on Corfu. Bruce On Aug 29, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Marc Piel wrote: > Hi Bruce, > It seems to me that the subject was advanced not > so long ago. Israel, Jewish women, Disappearing > child, Nazi persecutor British (don't know what > adjective to use here). All wrapped up into a neat > package of celluloid. Too bad neither the script > not the actors are not of LD literary quality. But > don't you think it all fits into a LD context? > B.R. > Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100829/5cc5664e/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds End of ILDS Digest, Vol 41, Issue 21 ************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100830/8d988c0a/attachment.html From billyapt at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 18:08:33 2010 From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:08:33 -0500 Subject: [ilds] A QUESTION AND AN OBSERVATION Message-ID: Dear all: QUESTION: I'm reading Prof. MacNiven's Durrell bio, which is great. But am a bit confused regarding a passage I encountered today. On page 93: the discussion about Durrell in his 20s not having direction, but realizing he must follow some defined path in the form of occupation, or else find his life merely a search for meaning that does not net the Big Answer. Do I understand Durrell to have believed that ANY defined occupational path was neverthless a cop-out? Even the pursuit of art? But if one lacks talent AND refuses to get a regular job and just continues, like so many bohemians, to flounder their way through life, how is that courageous? How does that not end in "doom"? And then how is the pursuit of art by one with talent cowardly? What does he mean that cowardice is the only escape? I'm completely lost on this one. OBSERVATION: For those better versed in Durrell, please forgive me. What I about to say may already be well known. On Page 94 of the bio, I realized for the first time that, contrary to Durrell's image of himself as completely different from that of his father, the two were quite similar in a fundamental way: Durrell approached the construction of his portrayal of the pysches of his characters like his father did the construction of public works projects. "Space against Time curves and stresses, structures and dimensions..." Durrell was every bit the engineer that his father was, only their materials were different. Durrell was like Cezanne in that way: both sought to reveal the dynamic inner structure of things. -- WILLIAM APT Attorney at Law 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, Ste 205 Austin TX 78746 512/708-8300 512/708-8011 FAX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100830/5edd374b/attachment.html From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 06:22:00 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 41, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <64212.1b41ae21.39ad5b58@aol.com> References: <64212.1b41ae21.39ad5b58@aol.com> Message-ID: <44507.55841.qm@web65810.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I don;'t agree with Brewster. The performance by Loren is exactly what one would expect of such an actor, given that the film is a thriller with political overtones, with typical appearances by Peter Finch and Jack Hawkins (given their other film roles at this period). The different versions of the novel (and, of course, the filmscript) reflect the fact that it was, ostensibly, written for Loren, and the novel is a page-turner - typical of LD when he wanted to write a 'secret-service plus girl-meets-boy'-type adventure, but held within the fragile politics of the Levant of which he was well aware. Like Kim, game-plus-quest. The DSC hopes to publish an edition of the text in the near-ish future. Richard Pine ________________________________ From: "Smithchamberlin at aol.com" To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 10:07:04 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 41, Issue 21 The Durrell School of Corfu also has a VHS copy of the film, which is? - how shall one put it? - pretty bad. ????????Brewster In a message dated 8/30/2010 3:00:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca writes: Send ILDS mailing list submissions to >? ? ilds at lists.uvic.ca > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >? ? https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >? ? ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca > >You can reach the person managing the list at >? ? ilds-owner at lists.uvic.ca > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of ILDS digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > >?? 1. Re: Judith on YouTube (Marc Piel) >?? 2. Judith on YouTube (Marc Piel) >?? 3. Re: Judith on YouTube (Bruce Redwine) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:21:06 +0200 >From: Marc Piel >Subject: Re: [ilds] Judith on YouTube >To: Durrell list ,? Bruce Redwine >? ? >Message-ID: <4C7AEB62.3040601 at interdesign.fr> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >Hi Bruce, >It seems to me that the subject was advanced not >so long ago. Israel, Jewish women, Disappearing >child, Nazi persecutor British (don't know what >adjective to use here). All wrapped up into a neat >package of celluloid. Too bad neither the script >not the actors are not of LD literary quality. But >don't you think it all fits into a LD context? >B.R. >Marc > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:22:56 +0200 >From: Marc Piel >Subject: [ilds] Judith on YouTube >To: Bruce Redwine , Durrell list >? ? >Message-ID: <4C7AEBD0.80606 at interdesign.fr> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >You can watch "Judith" on YouTube in 10 episodes: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd1VH2gfmM8&feature=related > >B.R. >Marc > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:01:03 -0700 >From: Bruce Redwine >Subject: Re: [ilds] Judith on YouTube >To: marcpiel at interdesign.fr, ilds at lists.uvic.ca >Cc: Bruce Redwine >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Marc, > >Yes, thanks.? I'd forgotten the main features of Durrell's Judith plot:? >mysterious Jewish woman, a lost child in Palestine, and probably other themes.? >All have biographical resonances.? I believe Richard Pine said he has Durrell's >script in his library on Corfu. > > >Bruce > > > >On Aug 29, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Marc Piel wrote: > >> Hi Bruce, >> It seems to me that the subject was advanced not >> so long ago. Israel, Jewish women, Disappearing >> child, Nazi persecutor British (don't know what >> adjective to use here). All wrapped up into a neat >> package of celluloid. Too bad neither the script >> not the actors are not of LD literary quality. 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URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100831/7ee85c81/attachment.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 31 10:58:27 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:58:27 -0700 Subject: [ilds] A QUESTION AND AN OBSERVATION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D128B47-A682-481A-BC7F-13282EB246DD@earthlink.net> I've read Bowker's biography but only parts of MacNiven's. Still, I find your comments fresh, insightful, and provocative. Durrell's flight from England has been discussed before, with the majority of the opinion that he wasn't temperamentally suited for the discipline of Cambridge or Oxford. My opinion is that Oxbridge would have done young Durrell a lot of good. MacNiven also suggests that Durrell may not have even taken the entrance examinations to Cambridge (p. 697, n. 71). So, LD's claim that he failed the exams "about eight times" (The Paris Review, 22, Autumn-Winter 1960) may have been a lie. The pattern seems to be that Durrell dissembles and throws up smoke screens. That, I think, accounts for the confusion you've detected. As some critic has said of Iago in Othello, the problem is not that Iago lacks motivation for his crime, rather that he provides too many reasons for hating the Moor. I too am confused about Durrell's explanation(s) of his motivation. You're onto something about the son mimicking his father the engineer. (The lost father haunts David Mountolive: "The defection of his father stood always between them as their closest bond" [Mountolive, p. 97].) I like the analogy. I also like bringing in C?zanne and his concern for an underlying structure (although I can't recall LD citing C?zanne as one of his "exemplars"). Re Space-Time, I've finished another reading of J. Frank's classic, The Idea of Spatial Form (1945, 1991), which treats Modernism's use of time as space. Had Durrell read that, he would have realized his project wasn't novel. Proust, Joyce, and Djuna Barnes were all ahead of him. He might have learned that at Cambridge. Bruce On Aug 30, 2010, at 6:08 PM, William Apt wrote: > Dear all: > > QUESTION: I'm reading Prof. MacNiven's Durrell bio, which is great. But am a bit confused regarding a passage I encountered today. On page 93: the discussion about Durrell in his 20s not having direction, but realizing he must follow some defined path in the form of occupation, or else find his life merely a search for meaning that does not net the Big Answer. Do I understand Durrell to have believed that ANY defined occupational path was neverthless a cop-out? Even the pursuit of art? But if one lacks talent AND refuses to get a regular job and just continues, like so many bohemians, to flounder their way through life, how is that courageous? How does that not end in "doom"? And then how is the pursuit of art by one with talent cowardly? What does he mean that cowardice is the only escape? I'm completely lost on this one. > > OBSERVATION: For those better versed in Durrell, please forgive me. What I about to say may already be well known. On Page 94 of the bio, I realized for the first time that, contrary to Durrell's image of himself as completely different from that of his father, the two were quite similar in a fundamental way: Durrell approached the construction of his portrayal of the pysches of his characters like his father did the construction of public works projects. "Space against Time curves and stresses, structures and dimensions..." Durrell was every bit the engineer that his father was, only their materials were different. Durrell was like Cezanne in that way: both sought to reveal the dynamic inner structure of things. > > -- > WILLIAM APT > Attorney at Law > 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, > Ste 205 > Austin TX 78746 > 512/708-8300 > 512/708-8011 FAX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100831/5042cba4/attachment.html From billyapt at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 11:35:27 2010 From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:35:27 -0500 Subject: [ilds] A QUESTION AND AN OBSERVATION In-Reply-To: <7D128B47-A682-481A-BC7F-13282EB246DD@earthlink.net> References: <7D128B47-A682-481A-BC7F-13282EB246DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bruce: Thank you for yr most gracious reply and clarification. I appreciate it. I tried reading the Bowker bio and found it way too reliant on conjecture. MacNiven's on the other hand is rich in solid fact and provides far greater insight. For example, Bowker, as I recall, does not dwell at all on Durrell's mother's family. MacNiven does. Whereas Samuel Durrell's mother was a frightening harpy and Samuel himself was straight-laced, insecure, ambitious and preoccupied with conformity, his wife Louisa was from a pleasant, less uptight background, without as much apparent concern for social standing. She was also intrigued by Eastern religion. To me this is significant: it suggests that Durrell was by nature likely torn between the two: ambitious with a deep drive for acceptance like his father, but, like his mother, the inclination toward jolly non-conformity. BILLY On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > I've read Bowker's biography but only parts of MacNiven's. Still, I find > your comments fresh, insightful, and provocative. Durrell's flight from > England has been discussed before, with the majority of the opinion that he > wasn't temperamentally suited for the discipline of Cambridge or Oxford. My > opinion is that Oxbridge would have done young Durrell a lot of good. > MacNiven also suggests that Durrell may not have even taken the entrance > examinations to Cambridge (p. 697, n. 71). So, LD's claim that he failed > the exams "about eight times" *(The Paris Review,* 22, Autumn-Winter 1960) > may have been a lie. The pattern seems to be that Durrell dissembles and > throws up smoke screens. That, I think, accounts for the confusion you've > detected. As some critic has said of Iago in *Othello,* the problem is > not that Iago lacks motivation for his crime, rather that he provides too > many reasons for hating the Moor. I too am confused about Durrell's > explanation(s) of his motivation. > > You're onto something about the son mimicking his father the engineer. > (The lost father haunts David Mountolive: "The defection of his father > stood always between them as their closest bond" *[Mountolive,* p. 97].) > I like the analogy. I also like bringing in C?zanne and his concern for an > underlying structure (although I can't recall LD citing C?zanne as one of > his "exemplars"). Re Space-Time, I've finished another reading of J. > Frank's classic, *The Idea of Spatial Form* (1945, 1991), which treats > Modernism's use of time as space. Had Durrell read that, he would have > realized his project wasn't novel. Proust, Joyce, and Djuna Barnes were all > ahead of him. He might have learned that at Cambridge. > > > Bruce > > > > > On Aug 30, 2010, at 6:08 PM, William Apt wrote: > > Dear all: > > QUESTION: I'm reading Prof. MacNiven's Durrell bio, which is great. But > am a bit confused regarding a passage I encountered today. On page 93: the > discussion about Durrell in his 20s not having direction, but realizing he > must follow some defined path in the form of occupation, or else find his > life merely a search for meaning that does not net the Big Answer. Do I > understand Durrell to have believed that ANY defined occupational path was > neverthless a cop-out? Even the pursuit of art? But if one lacks talent > AND refuses to get a regular job and just continues, like so many bohemians, > to flounder their way through life, how is that courageous? How does that > not end in "doom"? And then how is the pursuit of art by one with talent > cowardly? What does he mean that cowardice is the only escape? I'm > completely lost on this one. > > OBSERVATION: For those better versed in Durrell, please forgive me. What > I about to say may already be well known. On Page 94 of the bio, I realized > for the first time that, contrary to Durrell's image of himself as > completely different from that of his father, the two were quite similar in > a fundamental way: Durrell approached the construction of his portrayal of > the pysches of his characters like his father did the construction of public > works projects. "Space against Time curves and stresses, structures and > dimensions..." Durrell was every bit the engineer that his father was, only > their materials were different. Durrell was like Cezanne in that way: both > sought to reveal the dynamic inner structure of things. > > -- > WILLIAM APT > Attorney at Law > 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, > Ste 205 > Austin TX 78746 > 512/708-8300 > 512/708-8011 FAX > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > -- WILLIAM APT Attorney at Law 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, Ste 205 Austin TX 78746 512/708-8300 512/708-8011 FAX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100831/0cf64324/attachment.html From billyapt at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 11:35:27 2010 From: billyapt at gmail.com (William Apt) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:35:27 -0500 Subject: [ilds] A QUESTION AND AN OBSERVATION In-Reply-To: <7D128B47-A682-481A-BC7F-13282EB246DD@earthlink.net> References: <7D128B47-A682-481A-BC7F-13282EB246DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bruce: Thank you for yr most gracious reply and clarification. I appreciate it. I tried reading the Bowker bio and found it way too reliant on conjecture. MacNiven's on the other hand is rich in solid fact and provides far greater insight. For example, Bowker, as I recall, does not dwell at all on Durrell's mother's family. MacNiven does. Whereas Samuel Durrell's mother was a frightening harpy and Samuel himself was straight-laced, insecure, ambitious and preoccupied with conformity, his wife Louisa was from a pleasant, less uptight background, without as much apparent concern for social standing. She was also intrigued by Eastern religion. To me this is significant: it suggests that Durrell was by nature likely torn between the two: ambitious with a deep drive for acceptance like his father, but, like his mother, the inclination toward jolly non-conformity. BILLY On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > I've read Bowker's biography but only parts of MacNiven's. Still, I find > your comments fresh, insightful, and provocative. Durrell's flight from > England has been discussed before, with the majority of the opinion that he > wasn't temperamentally suited for the discipline of Cambridge or Oxford. My > opinion is that Oxbridge would have done young Durrell a lot of good. > MacNiven also suggests that Durrell may not have even taken the entrance > examinations to Cambridge (p. 697, n. 71). So, LD's claim that he failed > the exams "about eight times" *(The Paris Review,* 22, Autumn-Winter 1960) > may have been a lie. The pattern seems to be that Durrell dissembles and > throws up smoke screens. That, I think, accounts for the confusion you've > detected. As some critic has said of Iago in *Othello,* the problem is > not that Iago lacks motivation for his crime, rather that he provides too > many reasons for hating the Moor. I too am confused about Durrell's > explanation(s) of his motivation. > > You're onto something about the son mimicking his father the engineer. > (The lost father haunts David Mountolive: "The defection of his father > stood always between them as their closest bond" *[Mountolive,* p. 97].) > I like the analogy. I also like bringing in C?zanne and his concern for an > underlying structure (although I can't recall LD citing C?zanne as one of > his "exemplars"). Re Space-Time, I've finished another reading of J. > Frank's classic, *The Idea of Spatial Form* (1945, 1991), which treats > Modernism's use of time as space. Had Durrell read that, he would have > realized his project wasn't novel. Proust, Joyce, and Djuna Barnes were all > ahead of him. He might have learned that at Cambridge. > > > Bruce > > > > > On Aug 30, 2010, at 6:08 PM, William Apt wrote: > > Dear all: > > QUESTION: I'm reading Prof. MacNiven's Durrell bio, which is great. But > am a bit confused regarding a passage I encountered today. On page 93: the > discussion about Durrell in his 20s not having direction, but realizing he > must follow some defined path in the form of occupation, or else find his > life merely a search for meaning that does not net the Big Answer. Do I > understand Durrell to have believed that ANY defined occupational path was > neverthless a cop-out? Even the pursuit of art? But if one lacks talent > AND refuses to get a regular job and just continues, like so many bohemians, > to flounder their way through life, how is that courageous? How does that > not end in "doom"? And then how is the pursuit of art by one with talent > cowardly? What does he mean that cowardice is the only escape? I'm > completely lost on this one. > > OBSERVATION: For those better versed in Durrell, please forgive me. What > I about to say may already be well known. On Page 94 of the bio, I realized > for the first time that, contrary to Durrell's image of himself as > completely different from that of his father, the two were quite similar in > a fundamental way: Durrell approached the construction of his portrayal of > the pysches of his characters like his father did the construction of public > works projects. "Space against Time curves and stresses, structures and > dimensions..." Durrell was every bit the engineer that his father was, only > their materials were different. Durrell was like Cezanne in that way: both > sought to reveal the dynamic inner structure of things. > > -- > WILLIAM APT > Attorney at Law > 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, > Ste 205 > Austin TX 78746 > 512/708-8300 > 512/708-8011 FAX > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > -- WILLIAM APT Attorney at Law 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, Ste 205 Austin TX 78746 512/708-8300 512/708-8011 FAX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100831/0cf64324/attachment-0001.html From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 31 12:08:36 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:08:36 -0700 Subject: [ilds] A QUESTION AND AN OBSERVATION In-Reply-To: References: <7D128B47-A682-481A-BC7F-13282EB246DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <80CC555E-8B6E-40C6-BB85-364DD151A8D5@earthlink.net> Billy, Yes. Thanks for pointing out the father-mother tension in LGD's development. MacNiven's biography is more substantial and less speculative than Bowker's (although I agree with many of the latter's conjectures, starting with a great title). I'm not convinced, however, by Bowker's attempt to rationalize Durrell's "creative madness," specifically with respect to how he treats his women, sometimes brutally. GB was laboring under a big handicap ? not being the "official" biographer, he didn't have access to the family archives. Note the progression: Bowker's biography is 480 pp., MacNiven's is 801 pp., and Michael Haag's forthcoming work will weigh in at what? 1000+ pp.? Bruce On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:35 AM, William Apt wrote: > Bruce: > > Thank you for yr most gracious reply and clarification. I appreciate it. I tried reading the Bowker bio and found it way too reliant on conjecture. MacNiven's on the other hand is rich in solid fact and provides far greater insight. For example, Bowker, as I recall, does not dwell at all on Durrell's mother's family. MacNiven does. Whereas Samuel Durrell's mother was a frightening harpy and Samuel himself was straight-laced, insecure, ambitious and preoccupied with conformity, his wife Louisa was from a pleasant, less uptight background, without as much apparent concern for social standing. She was also intrigued by Eastern religion. To me this is significant: it suggests that Durrell was by nature likely torn between the two: ambitious with a deep drive for acceptance like his father, but, like his mother, the inclination toward jolly non-conformity. > > BILLY > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote: > I've read Bowker's biography but only parts of MacNiven's. Still, I find your comments fresh, insightful, and provocative. Durrell's flight from England has been discussed before, with the majority of the opinion that he wasn't temperamentally suited for the discipline of Cambridge or Oxford. My opinion is that Oxbridge would have done young Durrell a lot of good. MacNiven also suggests that Durrell may not have even taken the entrance examinations to Cambridge (p. 697, n. 71). So, LD's claim that he failed the exams "about eight times" (The Paris Review, 22, Autumn-Winter 1960) may have been a lie. The pattern seems to be that Durrell dissembles and throws up smoke screens. That, I think, accounts for the confusion you've detected. As some critic has said of Iago in Othello, the problem is not that Iago lacks motivation for his crime, rather that he provides too many reasons for hating the Moor. I too am confused about Durrell's explanation(s) of his motivation. > > You're onto something about the son mimicking his father the engineer. (The lost father haunts David Mountolive: "The defection of his father stood always between them as their closest bond" [Mountolive, p. 97].) I like the analogy. I also like bringing in C?zanne and his concern for an underlying structure (although I can't recall LD citing C?zanne as one of his "exemplars"). Re Space-Time, I've finished another reading of J. Frank's classic, The Idea of Spatial Form (1945, 1991), which treats Modernism's use of time as space. Had Durrell read that, he would have realized his project wasn't novel. Proust, Joyce, and Djuna Barnes were all ahead of him. He might have learned that at Cambridge. > > > Bruce > > > > > On Aug 30, 2010, at 6:08 PM, William Apt wrote: > >> Dear all: >> >> QUESTION: I'm reading Prof. MacNiven's Durrell bio, which is great. But am a bit confused regarding a passage I encountered today. On page 93: the discussion about Durrell in his 20s not having direction, but realizing he must follow some defined path in the form of occupation, or else find his life merely a search for meaning that does not net the Big Answer. Do I understand Durrell to have believed that ANY defined occupational path was neverthless a cop-out? Even the pursuit of art? But if one lacks talent AND refuses to get a regular job and just continues, like so many bohemians, to flounder their way through life, how is that courageous? How does that not end in "doom"? And then how is the pursuit of art by one with talent cowardly? What does he mean that cowardice is the only escape? I'm completely lost on this one. >> >> OBSERVATION: For those better versed in Durrell, please forgive me. What I about to say may already be well known. On Page 94 of the bio, I realized for the first time that, contrary to Durrell's image of himself as completely different from that of his father, the two were quite similar in a fundamental way: Durrell approached the construction of his portrayal of the pysches of his characters like his father did the construction of public works projects. "Space against Time curves and stresses, structures and dimensions..." Durrell was every bit the engineer that his father was, only their materials were different. Durrell was like Cezanne in that way: both sought to reveal the dynamic inner structure of things. >> >> -- >> WILLIAM APT >> Attorney at Law >> 7004 Bee Cave Rd, Bldg 1, >> Ste 205 >> Austin TX 78746 >> 512/708-8300 >> 512/708-8011 FAX > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100831/165fcff1/attachment.html From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 02:40:25 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 02:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell, Paris Message-ID: <594938.80665.qm@web65806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Has any member of this group had any success in contacting, or obtaining information from, the Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell at the Universite Paris-X at Nanterre? I have been able to download the catalogue of the boxed papers acquired by the University in 1994?from LD's last home in Sommieres, but have completely failed to find a catalogue for his working library which was acquired at the same time. Numerous e-mail requests to the official address (bibliothequelawrencedurrell at u-paris10.fr;) and personally to its director, Corinne Alexandre-Garner, have met with complete silence. While the book collection is much less significant than that held by SIUC (Carbondale) it is nevertheless very important, but it seems that scholars who cannot travel to Paris are being denied?access to the information which the working library might yield. It is, surely, inconceivable that, after 16 years, the working library has not been catalogued, or, rather, that the catalogue (if it exists) has not been made available online.? Comments welcome. Richard Pine From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 2 09:15:27 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:15:27 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell, Paris In-Reply-To: <594938.80665.qm@web65806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <594938.80665.qm@web65806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6E05308B-EF52-4918-B585-D1F4EC234EF7@earthlink.net> How large was Durrell's "working library" at Sommi?res? Did he annotated his books with marginalia? Not a good sign if you can't get the courtesy of a response. Bruce On Sep 2, 2010, at 2:40 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > Has any member of this group had any success in contacting, or obtaining > information from, the Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell at the Universite Paris-X at > Nanterre? > I have been able to download the catalogue of the boxed papers acquired by the > University in 1994 from LD's last home in Sommieres, but have completely failed > to find a catalogue for his working library which was acquired at the same time. > Numerous e-mail requests to the official address > (bibliothequelawrencedurrell at u-paris10.fr;) and personally to its director, > Corinne Alexandre-Garner, have met with complete silence. > > While the book collection is much less significant than that held by SIUC > (Carbondale) it is nevertheless very important, but it seems that scholars who > cannot travel to Paris are being denied access to the information which the > working library might yield. It is, surely, inconceivable that, after 16 years, > the working library has not been catalogued, or, rather, that the catalogue (if > it exists) has not been made available online. > Comments welcome. > Richard Pine > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 09:45:22 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell, Paris In-Reply-To: <6E05308B-EF52-4918-B585-D1F4EC234EF7@earthlink.net> References: <594938.80665.qm@web65806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <6E05308B-EF52-4918-B585-D1F4EC234EF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <946534.51049.qm@web65816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> His extant working library in Sommieres (as far as I can recall) consisted of a few hundred books, but previously a huge tranche had been included in the second sale (to SIUC) of his papers, and these are well catalogued by SIUC. Yes, he annotated his books with a variety of marginalia. As I am working on his 'Minor Mythologies' (so well produced by Charles Sligh in Deus Loci some time ago), I want to know what 'minor mythologies' are among his books in Paris/Nanterre, compared to those in SIUC and what I have discovered from other sources such as auction catalogues. As you say, the courtesy of a response by Paris?would be a start! Maybe the ILDS as an organisation would have more 'clout' in obtaining a response than an individual scholar such as myself... RP ----- Original Message ---- From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 7:15:27 PM Subject: Re: [ilds] Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell, Paris How large was Durrell's "working library" at Sommi?res?? Did he annotated his books with marginalia?? Not a good sign if you can't get the courtesy of a response. Bruce On Sep 2, 2010, at 2:40 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > Has any member of this group had any success in contacting, or obtaining > information from, the Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell at the Universite Paris-X >at > > Nanterre? > I have been able to download the catalogue of the boxed papers acquired by the > University in 1994 from LD's last home in Sommieres, but have completely failed > > to find a catalogue for his working library which was acquired at the same >time. > > Numerous e-mail requests to the official address > (bibliothequelawrencedurrell at u-paris10.fr;) and personally to its director, > Corinne Alexandre-Garner, have met with complete silence. > > While the book collection is much less significant than that held by SIUC > (Carbondale) it is nevertheless very important, but it seems that scholars who > cannot travel to Paris are being denied access to the information which the > working library might yield. It is, surely, inconceivable that, after 16 years, > > the working library has not been catalogued, or, rather, that the catalogue (if > > it exists) has not been made available online. > Comments welcome. > Richard Pine > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Thu Sep 2 09:52:02 2010 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:52:02 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell, Paris In-Reply-To: <946534.51049.qm@web65816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <594938.80665.qm@web65806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <6E05308B-EF52-4918-B585-D1F4EC234EF7@earthlink.net> <946534.51049.qm@web65816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C7FD632.1010809@utc.edu> On 9/2/10 12:45 PM, Richard Pine wrote: > As you say, the courtesy of a response by Paris would be a start! > Maybe the ILDS as an organisation would have more 'clout' in obtaining a > response than an individual scholar such as myself... Good luck with your work on "The Minor Mythologies," Richard. I am sorry to hear that you are still experiencing this block, which is, as you, frustrating. I hope that anyone in France or with contacts in France will help Richard in his enterprise. Reports of the outcome, along with advice about the detailed inventory of the collection, are welcomed and encouraged. Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Thu Sep 2 10:25:59 2010 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:25:59 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Fwd: Re: Bibliotheque Lawrence Durrell, Paris Message-ID: <4C7FDE27.6070105@utc.edu> > Good luck with your work on "The Minor Mythologies," Richard. I am > sorry to hear that you are still experiencing this block, which is, as > you [say], frustrating. Surely I typed the above note with all the necessary words: "as you /say/." Oh dear. . . . Sorry, Richard. Charles -- ******************************************** Charles L. Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sligh Assistant Professor Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga charles-sligh at utc.edu ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: finallvillecfp.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 107166 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20100902/4206451b/attachment.bin From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Sat Sep 4 08:26:03 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape Message-ID: <646384.81331.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I've discovered to my horror that the (few) remaining copies of my Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape are quoted at ?105 sterling by Macmillan. And it's the same on the internet for new/secondhand copies. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to pay such a price for the first edition, when a second, revised and expanded, edition is available direct from the Durrell School. Anyone wishing to obtain a copy of the second, revised (paperback) edition should send 30 euros (20 euros plus 10 euros post and packing) in cash to: Durrell School of Corfu PO Box 94 Corfu 49100 Greece. Unfortunately due to high bank charges for currency conversion and cheque lodgements, the DSC can only accept cash payment in euros. Richard Pine From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Sat Sep 4 13:54:40 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 16:54:40 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Here's one at $46.47 -- and only one at this price Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C632F670D0@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> 1. LAWRENCE DURRELL. THE MINDSCAPE.: Pine Richard. Bookseller: Bergoglio Libri d'Epoca (RIVALBA, TO, Italy) Bookseller Rating: 5-star rating Quantity Available: 1 Book Description: St. Martin's,, New York, 1994. In 8? XIV-452 pp. Biografia basata su documenti inediti. prima ediz. americana. Note a penna all'ultima carta bianca, per il resto ottimo. Cart.ed., tit.oro, sovracc. con ritratto // First american edition, pen-note at the end fly-leaf. Hardcover, gilted title, DJ. Fine. ~ ~ ~ Contattateci per ricevere foto e informazioni. Spediamo in tutto il mondo *5 stelle* Feel free to ask description in English and scans. Worldwide delivery *5 stars*. Bookseller Inventory # LH0152 Bookseller & Payment Information | More Books from this Seller | Ask Bookseller a Question Add Book to Shopping Basket Price: US$ 46.47 W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:26 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: [ilds] Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape I've discovered to my horror that the (few) remaining copies of my Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape are quoted at ?105 sterling by Macmillan. And it's the same on the internet for new/secondhand copies. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to pay such a price for the first edition, when a second, revised and expanded, edition is available direct from the Durrell School. Anyone wishing to obtain a copy of the second, revised (paperback) edition should send 30 euros (20 euros plus 10 euros post and packing) in cash to: Durrell School of Corfu PO Box 94 Corfu 49100 Greece. Unfortunately due to high bank charges for currency conversion and cheque lodgements, the DSC can only accept cash payment in euros. Richard Pine _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 4 15:34:09 2010 From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:34:09 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape In-Reply-To: <646384.81331.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <646384.81331.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BE30BC8-6EA7-4FB6-B071-CD40FBA57D74@earthlink.net> I'd like to get the new edition, but isn't there considerable risk sending cash in the mail, particularly overseas? Bruce On Sep 4, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > I've discovered to my horror that the (few) remaining copies of my Lawrence > Durrell: the Mindscape are quoted at ?105 sterling by Macmillan. And it's the > same on the internet for new/secondhand copies. > I cannot imagine why anyone would want to pay such a price for the first > edition, when a second, revised and expanded, edition is available direct from > the Durrell School. > Anyone wishing to obtain a copy of the second, revised (paperback) edition > should send 30 euros (20 euros plus 10 euros post and packing) in cash to: > Durrell School of Corfu > PO Box 94 > Corfu 49100 > Greece. > > Unfortunately due to high bank charges for currency conversion and cheque > lodgements, the DSC can only accept cash payment in euros. > > Richard Pine > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From rpinecorfu at yahoo.com Sun Sep 5 02:04:56 2010 From: rpinecorfu at yahoo.com (Richard Pine) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 02:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape In-Reply-To: <3BE30BC8-6EA7-4FB6-B071-CD40FBA57D74@earthlink.net> References: <646384.81331.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <3BE30BC8-6EA7-4FB6-B071-CD40FBA57D74@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <387736.50936.qm@web65805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Very little risk. If you fold the notes in an opaque sheet of paper (which in any case would be necessary to inform us of the postal address for dispatch) the notes are virtually undetectable to even the most assiduous postal worker. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 1:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [ilds] Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape I'd like to get the new edition, but isn't there considerable risk sending cash in the mail, particularly overseas? Bruce On Sep 4, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > I've discovered to my horror that the (few) remaining copies of my Lawrence > Durrell: the Mindscape are quoted at ?105 sterling by Macmillan. And it's the > same on the internet for new/secondhand copies. > I cannot imagine why anyone would want to pay such a price for the first > edition, when a second, revised and expanded, edition is available direct from > the Durrell School. > Anyone wishing to obtain a copy of the second, revised (paperback) edition > should send 30 euros (20 euros plus 10 euros post and packing) in cash to: > Durrell School of Corfu > PO Box 94 > Corfu 49100 > Greece. > > Unfortunately due to high bank charges for currency conversion and cheque > lodgements, the DSC can only accept cash payment in euros. > > Richard Pine > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu Sun Sep 5 12:34:48 2010 From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl)) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 15:34:48 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape In-Reply-To: <387736.50936.qm@web65805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <646384.81331.qm@web65809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <3BE30BC8-6EA7-4FB6-B071-CD40FBA57D74@earthlink.net>, <387736.50936.qm@web65805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201C632F670D4@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu> Couldn't you send it as a package from UPS? W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * * University of Cincinnati* * Stellar Disorder * OH 45221-0069 * * ________________________________________ From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Richard Pine [rpinecorfu at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 5:04 AM To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Subject: Re: [ilds] Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape Very little risk. If you fold the notes in an opaque sheet of paper (which in any case would be necessary to inform us of the postal address for dispatch) the notes are virtually undetectable to even the most assiduous postal worker. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bruce Redwine To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: Bruce Redwine Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 1:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [ilds] Lawrence Durrell: the Mindscape I'd like to get the new edition, but isn't there considerable risk sending cash in the mail, particularly overseas? Bruce On Sep 4, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Richard Pine wrote: > I've discovered to my horror that the (few) remaining copies of my Lawrence > Durrell: the Mindscape are quoted at ?105 sterling by Macmillan. And it's the > same on the internet for new/secondhand copies. > I cannot imagine why anyone would want to pay such a price for the first > edition, when a second, revised and expanded, edition is available direct from > the Durrell School. > Anyone wishing to obtain a copy of the second, revised (paperback) edition > should send 30 euros (20 euros plus 10 euros post and packing) in cash to: > Durrell School of Corfu > PO Box 94 > Corfu 49100 > Greece. > > Unfortunately due to high bank charges for currency conversion and cheque > lodgements, the DSC can only accept cash payment in euros. > > Richard Pine > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds