From jtriley at unca.edu  Mon Aug 31 17:58:03 2009
From: jtriley at unca.edu (Jacob Riley)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:58:03 -0400
Subject: [ilds] Question concerning authorship in the Carol and Graff (1990)
	intro to the Black Book
Message-ID: <ee860fa00908311758m382a9b9eof0afaeb7d36e77ad@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if anyone knew who was the 'critic' that Durrell mentions in
the introduction to *The Black Book*. Durrell writes about a 'friendly
critic' who wrote to him (maybe Miller?)

"Yes, I admit that I was shocked and disgusted here and there, but I read it
without prejudice and in the light of the central intention. The crudities
match and belong. I have never understood why writers should not be regarded
by the reader as enjoying much the same rights as doctors. You do not
suspect indecency in a doctor who asks you to strip in order to examine you.
Why shouldn't you give the writer the same benefit of the doubt? As for your
novel--you can't have a birth without a good deal of mess and blood. The
labor pains, the groans, sounded quite genuine to me; I suppose because I
regard art as a serious business, and spiritual birth and something like the
analogy of the physical" (pg 15 in said edition)

--Jacob Riley
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  1 12:16:57 2009
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:16:57 -0700
Subject: [ilds] Question concerning authorship in the Carol and Graff
	(1990) intro to the Black Book
In-Reply-To: <ee860fa00908311758m382a9b9eof0afaeb7d36e77ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee860fa00908311758m382a9b9eof0afaeb7d36e77ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAC5A86F-D6EA-436C-822D-B1BECCC0208A@earthlink.net>

Miller is a good guess, but Eliot is also a possibility, who, after  
all, made that absurd statement about The Black Book being the best  
hope for the future of English fiction.  Obviously a bit of praise to  
encourage an acolyte.


Bruce


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Jacob Riley <jtriley at unca.edu> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone knew who was the 'critic' that Durrell  
> mentions in the introduction to The Black Book. Durrell writes about  
> a 'friendly critic' who wrote to him (maybe Miller?)
>
> "Yes, I admit that I was shocked and disgusted here and there, but I  
> read it without prejudice and in the light of the central intention.  
> The crudities match and belong. I have never understood why writers  
> should not be regarded by the reader as enjoying much the same  
> rights as doctors. You do not suspect indecency in a doctor who asks  
> you to strip in order to examine you. Why shouldn't you give the  
> writer the same benefit of the doubt? As for your novel--you can't  
> have a birth without a good deal of mess and blood. The labor pains,  
> the groans, sounded quite genuine to me; I suppose because I regard  
> art as a serious business, and spiritual birth and something like  
> the analogy of the physical" (pg 15 in said edition)
>
> --Jacob Riley
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From rwhedges at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Sep  1 12:49:28 2009
From: rwhedges at hotmail.co.uk (RW HEDGES)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 19:49:28 +0000
Subject: [ilds] Author of black book critique?
Message-ID: <BAY136-W127E7F26ED2D06C46E6A9E8FF10@phx.gbl>


 Jacob, I spent a little while checking some of the letters in spirit of place but couldnt find out who said that? Maybe it was Alan G. Thomas his book shop mate? Its a good quote. It wouldnt be Miller. Miller put aside Tropic Of Capricorn to type it out with Anais Ninn and they got it to T.S Elliot and JAck Kahane at the Oblesk press....Then it was out in Paris with Miller acting as its Godfather and Ninn its Godmother. Without that kind of support no Durrell as we know him. Miller was unshockable his books banned. He also did not believe that literature was Art. He said life was Art. The rest was a desperate clawing at the surface etc.

 But to me the Black book smells of London. I walked the streets of its setting and I smelt the black book and vice versa. Its a favourite of mine though I know Miller fans who couldnt finish it. The Durrell Miller Letters and Millers own "Collosuss of Marousii" are good Durrell Miller cross over material if you havent already read them.....Hope someone else can shed some light, Good Luck, RW

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From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu  Tue Sep  1 15:50:03 2009
From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:50:03 -0400
Subject: [ilds] In search of bitter lemons
Message-ID: <4A9DA51B.6050001@utc.edu>

One from the clipping service:


*
In search of bitter lemons
10,000-year-old history, friendly locals,  a mystic Monastery and loads 
of fun... a holiday to Cyprus turns out to be delightful *
By: Chaitanya Sinh     Date:  2009-08-31
Mid-Day - Mumbai,Maharashtra,India
http://www.mid-day.com/specials/2009/aug/310809-Famagusta-Cyprus-Travel-Play-Holiday-Kykkos-Monastary-Shakespeare-Othello.htm



-- 
********************************************
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Department of English
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
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From marcpiel at interdesign.fr  Tue Sep  1 16:25:41 2009
From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:25:41 +0200
Subject: [ilds] Author of black book critique?
In-Reply-To: <BAY136-W127E7F26ED2D06C46E6A9E8FF10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY136-W127E7F26ED2D06C46E6A9E8FF10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A9DAD75.80906@interdesign.fr>

Blackbook is definately London. The bad side of 
London before the sixties.
I was there, both fascinated and deprressed..... 
then came another London with the beatles and Mary 
Quant.... full of life anf frivolity.... and that 
has disappeared also and now I don't like London 
for anything. It seemed to me last time I went 
that it was all falling to pieces.... Literally. 
Maybe there is a rebuild for the next olympics, 
but will it be real or a pastiche? that is the 
question.
Marc

RW HEDGES a ?crit :
>    Jacob, I spent a little while checking some of the letters in spirit 
> of place but couldnt find out who said that? Maybe it was Alan G. Thomas 
> his book shop mate? Its a good quote. It wouldnt be Miller. Miller put 
> aside Tropic Of Capricorn to type it out with Anais Ninn and they got it 
> to T.S Elliot and JAck Kahane at the Oblesk press....Then it was out in 
> Paris with Miller acting as its Godfather and Ninn its Godmother. 
> Without that kind of support no Durrell as we know him. Miller was 
> unshockable his books banned. He also did not believe that literature 
> was Art. He said life was Art. The rest was a desperate clawing at the 
> surface etc.
>  But to me the Black book smells of London. I walked the streets of its 
> setting and I smelt the black book and vice versa. Its a favourite of 
> mine though I know Miller fans who couldnt finish it. The Durrell Miller 
> Letters and Millers own "Collosuss of Marousii" are good Durrell Miller 
> cross over material if you havent already read them.....Hope someone 
> else can shed some light, Good Luck, RW
> 
> Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. 
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From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu  Tue Sep  1 17:59:38 2009
From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl))
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:59:38 -0400
Subject: [ilds] In search of bitter lemons and other things
Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201736212F5B4@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>

This surely tells us old Shakespeare professors a thing or two. So Shakespeare spent his lost years on the islands.Probably trading stories with Othello -- and Prospero. 

Of course, he also spent some time on the Baltic getting Hamlet's story.



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University of Cincinnati*   * Stellar Disorder  *
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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:50 PM
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
Subject: [ilds] In search of bitter lemons

One from the clipping service:


*
In search of bitter lemons
10,000-year-old history, friendly locals,  a mystic Monastery and loads
of fun... a holiday to Cyprus turns out to be delightful *
By: Chaitanya Sinh     Date:  2009-08-31
Mid-Day - Mumbai,Maharashtra,India
http://www.mid-day.com/specials/2009/aug/310809-Famagusta-Cyprus-Travel-Play-Holiday-Kykkos-Monastary-Shakespeare-Othello.htm



--
********************************************
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University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
charles-sligh at utc.edu
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From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu  Wed Sep  2 04:32:09 2009
From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:32:09 -0400
Subject: [ilds] citing the power of The Alexandria Quartet
Message-ID: <4A9E57B9.7020406@utc.edu>

Clip, clip. . . .

***

The Roles of the Humanities and the NEH
September 2, 2009
Inside Higher Ed
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/09/02/leach

> Leach frequently talks about the issue of perspective, citing the 
> power of The Alexandria Quartet, a series of novels by Lawrence 
> Durrell in which the same period of time is explored from the 
> perspectives of different characters.


-- 
********************************************
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University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
charles-sligh at utc.edu
********************************************


From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  2 07:53:17 2009
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:53:17 -0700
Subject: [ilds] citing the power of The Alexandria Quartet
In-Reply-To: <4A9E57B9.7020406@utc.edu>
References: <4A9E57B9.7020406@utc.edu>
Message-ID: <8AF26E47-F4B9-4C74-A109-A9C145523DB3@earthlink.net>

Goes to show you that not everyone is bothered by Said's comments  
about phony intellectuals.



On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:32 AM, Charles Sligh wrote:

> Clip, clip. . . .
>
> ***
>
> The Roles of the Humanities and the NEH
> September 2, 2009
> Inside Higher Ed
> http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/09/02/leach
>
>> Leach frequently talks about the issue of perspective, citing the
>> power of The Alexandria Quartet, a series of novels by Lawrence
>> Durrell in which the same period of time is explored from the
>> perspectives of different characters.
>
>
> -- 
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> Department of English
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  2 15:00:04 2009
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:00:04 -0700
Subject: [ilds] In search of bitter lemons and other things
In-Reply-To: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201736212F5B4@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>
References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201736212F5B4@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>
Message-ID: <5E9DF562-B7CB-44CD-81BC-BCFAC5C2A35A@earthlink.net>

Absolutely.  And of course, you know, being a Shakespearean, that  
"Shakespeare's" plays were actually written by Christopher Marlowe in  
Venice, where he escaped, after faking his murder at that inn in  
Deptford.  He wrote the plays in Venice and had them Fed-Exed to London.



On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote:

> This surely tells us old Shakespeare professors a thing or two. So  
> Shakespeare spent his lost years on the islands.Probably trading  
> stories with Othello -- and Prospero.
>
> Of course, he also spent some time on the Baltic getting Hamlet's  
> story.
>
>
>
> W. L. Godshalk *
> Department of English    *           *
> University of Cincinnati*   * Stellar Disorder  *
> OH 45221-0069 *  *
> ________________________________________
> From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On  
> Behalf Of Charles Sligh [Charles-Sligh at utc.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:50 PM
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Subject: [ilds] In search of bitter lemons
>
> One from the clipping service:
>
>
> *
> In search of bitter lemons
> 10,000-year-old history, friendly locals,  a mystic Monastery and  
> loads
> of fun... a holiday to Cyprus turns out to be delightful *
> By: Chaitanya Sinh     Date:  2009-08-31
> Mid-Day - Mumbai,Maharashtra,India
> http://www.mid-day.com/specials/2009/aug/310809-Famagusta-Cyprus-Travel-Play-Holiday-Kykkos-Monastary-Shakespeare-Othello.htm
>
>
>
> --
> ********************************************
> Charles L. Sligh
> Assistant Professor
> Department of English
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
> charles-sligh at utc.edu
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From godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu  Wed Sep  2 16:08:47 2009
From: godshawl at ucmail.uc.edu (Godshalk, William (godshawl))
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:08:47 -0400
Subject: [ilds] In search of bitter lemons and other things
In-Reply-To: <5E9DF562-B7CB-44CD-81BC-BCFAC5C2A35A@earthlink.net>
References: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201736212F5B4@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>,
	<5E9DF562-B7CB-44CD-81BC-BCFAC5C2A35A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <94B18F18BF859846A11A82A6166B6C4201736212F5B8@UCMAILBE2.ad.uc.edu>

Shakespeare (i.e. Marlowe) wrote his plays on Walsingham's estate after the fake murder. As you recall, Walsingham was Elizabeth's spy master, and Kite Marlowe was a perfect spy. Much like CIA intrigue.  

Bill 


W. L. Godshalk *
Department of English    *           *
University of Cincinnati*   * Stellar Disorder  *
OH 45221-0069 *  *
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From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On Behalf Of Bruce Redwine [bredwine1968 at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:00 PM
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
Cc: Bruce Redwine
Subject: Re: [ilds] In search of bitter lemons and other things

Absolutely.  And of course, you know, being a Shakespearean, that
"Shakespeare's" plays were actually written by Christopher Marlowe in
Venice, where he escaped, after faking his murder at that inn in
Deptford.  He wrote the plays in Venice and had them Fed-Exed to London.



On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Godshalk, William (godshawl) wrote:

> This surely tells us old Shakespeare professors a thing or two. So
> Shakespeare spent his lost years on the islands.Probably trading
> stories with Othello -- and Prospero.
>
> Of course, he also spent some time on the Baltic getting Hamlet's
> story.
>
>
>
> W. L. Godshalk *
> Department of English    *           *
> University of Cincinnati*   * Stellar Disorder  *
> OH 45221-0069 *  *
> ________________________________________
> From: ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca [ilds-bounces at lists.uvic.ca] On
> Behalf Of Charles Sligh [Charles-Sligh at utc.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:50 PM
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Subject: [ilds] In search of bitter lemons
>
> One from the clipping service:
>
>
> *
> In search of bitter lemons
> 10,000-year-old history, friendly locals,  a mystic Monastery and
> loads
> of fun... a holiday to Cyprus turns out to be delightful *
> By: Chaitanya Sinh     Date:  2009-08-31
> Mid-Day - Mumbai,Maharashtra,India
> http://www.mid-day.com/specials/2009/aug/310809-Famagusta-Cyprus-Travel-Play-Holiday-Kykkos-Monastary-Shakespeare-Othello.htm
>
>
>
> --
> ********************************************
> Charles L. Sligh
> Assistant Professor
> Department of English
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
> charles-sligh at utc.edu
> ********************************************
>
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