From delospeter at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 29 00:53:29 2008
From: delospeter at hotmail.com (PETER BALDWIN)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:53:29 +0000
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 21, Issue 16
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I recall that Stein also quotes from Prospero's Cell when he gets to Corfu. Good viewing!
 
Peter Baldwin> From: dtart at bigpond.net.au> To: john.u.peters at csun.edu; ilds at lists.uvic.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:11:44 +1100> Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 21, Issue 16> > John,> > Specifically, David Green. My wife Denise does not contribute but retains an > amused interest in the list's proceeding. She has only read Bitter Lemons - > but it was she who found the Norman Douglas book formerly owned by Ronald > Storrs.> > Speaking of Douglas, I note that Michael Haag is writing a biography of > Durrell and hope he able to adress the matter of whether Durrell and Douglas > knew each other in person?> > yesterday I was watching Rick Stein's Seafood Odessy around the Med and > quoted from Elizabeth David's books. She was a good mate of Douglas and > there appears to be this strong expat Mediterranean travel, food, spirit of > place, history thing happening with various Brits so much so that I wonder > whether it could be consider a genre.> > > Denise Tart & David Green> 16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204> > +61 2 9564 6165> 0412 707 625> dtart at bigpond.net.au> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John U Peters" <john.u.peters at csun.edu>> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:00 AM> Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 21, Issue 16> > > > James,> > Better change my word "fellow" to the more specific "Denise Tart & David > > Green."> > Best,> > John> > _______________________________________________> > ILDS mailing list> > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds> > > > > _______________________________________________> ILDS mailing list> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
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From odos.fanourios at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 01:17:57 2008
From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:17:57 -0800
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 21, Issue 16
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Durrell also had significant ties to Elizabeth David, so the circle 
draws closer...  Artemis Cooper, whose name is familiar to anyone 
looking at Durrell's Egypt years, wrote the biography on David as well 
(a rather entertaining biography, actually).

My only caution would be that had Durrell not actually known Douglas, I 
should think the temptation would have been too great for him to avoid 
inventing some beguiling story -- they were both stranded overnight in a 
chaste brothel in Tangiers, or maybe he mistook him for a film star 
while sharing drinks over a silent bar in Calabria...  The same happened 
with LD spotting Einstein in Italy in 1935, though it's not actually 
possible.

Best,
James

ps: frigid and snowed-in up here in Canada...  We even had a lovely bout 
in the lower end of the -30s last week.  I finally feel like it's winter 
during the Holidays!  I've already gone back to flip through those 
lovely scenes of 'god Jul' in /Monsieur/.

PETER BALDWIN wrote:
> I recall that Stein also quotes from Prospero's Cell when he gets to 
> Corfu. Good viewing!
>  
> Peter Baldwin
> 
>  > From: dtart at bigpond.net.au
>  > To: john.u.peters at csun.edu; ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>  > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:11:44 +1100
>  > Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 21, Issue 16
>  >
>  > John,
>  >
>  > Specifically, David Green. My wife Denise does not contribute but 
> retains an
>  > amused interest in the list's proceeding. She has only read Bitter 
> Lemons -
>  > but it was she who found the Norman Douglas book formerly owned by 
> Ronald
>  > Storrs.
>  >
>  > Speaking of Douglas, I note that Michael Haag is writing a biography of
>  > Durrell and hope he able to adress the matter of whether Durrell and 
> Douglas
>  > knew each other in person?
>  >
>  > yesterday I was watching Rick Stein's Seafood Odessy around the Med and
>  > quoted from Elizabeth David's books. She was a good mate of Douglas and
>  > there appears to be this strong expat Mediterranean travel, food, 
> spirit of
>  > place, history thing happening with various Brits so much so that I 
> wonder
>  > whether it could be consider a genre.
>  >
>  >
>  > Denise Tart & David Green
>  > 16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204
>  >
>  > +61 2 9564 6165
>  > 0412 707 625
>  > dtart at bigpond.net.au
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "John U Peters" <john.u.peters at csun.edu>
>  > To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>  > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:00 AM
>  > Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 21, Issue 16
>  >
>  >
>  > > James,
>  > > Better change my word "fellow" to the more specific "Denise Tart & 
> David
>  > > Green."
>  > > Best,
>  > > John
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From ian at ephemeris.plus.com  Mon Dec 29 01:22:18 2008
From: ian at ephemeris.plus.com (Ian Sales)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:22:18 +0000
Subject: [ilds] Douglas & Durrell
In-Reply-To: <9AA5A124B182472690A5F01501AAF8E1@MumandDad>
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Message-ID: <e42c91dd0812290122r9aa2de5p1c4c99f06c8e9766@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/27 Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>:
>
> Lindsay Drummond Limited also published a Middle East Anthology that
> includes poems stories and sketches by Lawrence Durrell, G.S.Frazer and
> several others. Here a commentary on the volume which should resonate with
> Durrell readers
>

- I have a copy of that. From what I remember, Durrell's contribution
is a single prose piece. When I get home this evening, I'll dig out
the book and provide more information.

- ian

-- 
It doesn't have to be right... it just has to sound plausible:
http://justhastobeplausible.blogspot.com/

From ian at ephemeris.plus.com  Mon Dec 29 10:00:06 2008
From: ian at ephemeris.plus.com (Ian Sales)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:00:06 +0000
Subject: [ilds] Douglas & Durrell
In-Reply-To: <e42c91dd0812290122r9aa2de5p1c4c99f06c8e9766@mail.gmail.com>
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	<e42c91dd0812290122r9aa2de5p1c4c99f06c8e9766@mail.gmail.com>
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Ian Sales wrote:
> - I have a copy of that. From what I remember, Durrell's contribution
> is a single prose piece. When I get home this evening, I'll dig out
> the book and provide more information.
>
>   
- and here is the promised further info...

MIDDLE EAST ANTHOLOGY OF PROSE AND VERSE, edited by John Waller and Erik 
de Mauny. Lindsay Drummond Ltd. 1946.

Durrell contributes three pieces:  'A Landmark Gone', a short essay 
about the fisherman's house in which he lived on Corfu; and two poems - 
'Alexandria' and 'Conon in Alexandria'. The contributors section 
describes him thus: "Lived in Greece befroe the war and was well known 
as Editor of "Delta". Worked for British Embassy to Egypt in Alexandria. 
Now in Rhodes. Faber published his "A Private Country" in 1943 and later 
"Prospero's Cell" and his "Cities, Plains and People"."

The anthology also contains work by GS Fraser, Olivia Manning, Keith 
Douglas Herbert Howarth, John Gawsworth, Darrell Wilkinson, and personal 
favourites John Jarmain and Bernard Spencer.

- ian



From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 30 12:22:32 2008
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:22:32 +1100
Subject: [ilds] Douglas
Message-ID: <FA40C3EF26BA47A28DCE0B427D093C89@MumandDad>

Gordon Bowker's bigraphy of LD makes several references to Norman Douglas's influnence on Larry's writing, particularly in his Island books and also in the Quartet. When considering Martin Green's criticism of Durrell's work (p288) Bowker says:

The greatest influence on him was Norman Douglas, but the Alexandrian novels the depravity was greater and less attractive than anything in South Wind - the voice of the narrator was emotionally, morally and philosophically exhausted; style and structure were more important than classical culture.

He also claims on page 201 that in 1950 Durrell met Douglas and Auden on Ischia, a meeting that inspired a letter to Anne Ridler.

When interviewed, Larry may have said he had not met Douglas in order to distance himself from the latters' influence on his writing; to appear more original and creative in his own right. People in interviews are often economical with the truth and, if others on this list are correct, Durrell was no exception, some his responses not corresponding to facts as they are known. Here are some further references to Douglas:

Douglas would help supply him with a vision and a language with which he could turn his own experiences of that blue seas of islands into literature. Douglas's voice can also be detected in pages of the Alexandria Quartet (no example given). (Bowker p 55)

But the article (Corfu: Isle of Legends) bore Durrell's distinctive style, though it owed something to D.H. Lawrence and Norman Douglas. He first scanned the island geographically and historically, touching on its classical associations - the landing place of Ulysses, a temple to Artemis - before venturing into the shadowland of peasant superstition... (Bowker p122)


 Here on New Year's Eve in Sydney Town it is hot and sunny with a sky of Durrell blue. I am preparing a large Mediterranean style lunch to celebrate my 49th birthday, Paris Hilton is in town to help keep the economy going, Sydneysiders are preparing for a day of barbecues, the beach and alcoholic excess capped off by humungous fireworks on the harbour and all is right with the world. Happy New Year everyone.

David
16 William Street
Marrickville NSW  2204
AUSTRALIA
+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
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From gkoger at mindspring.com  Wed Dec 31 10:28:32 2008
From: gkoger at mindspring.com (gkoger at mindspring.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:28:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ilds] Douglas
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Wed Dec 31 14:19:44 2008
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:19:44 +1100
Subject: [ilds] Douglas
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Reading Old Calabria now. Very Polished, but witty also. I can see that Larry wanted to adapt this type of writing to a more earthy, gutsy 20th century prose. Agree with you about the nod to Old Calabria. Denise and I are going to do that trip in a couple of years; Venice to Corfu and then  on to Rhodes, Cyprus and Alexandria. Have not been to Greece since 1985. I remeber temples and old cities, swimming in the Med. drinking in taverns with American millionaires and Greek peasants, seeing English tourists in tweed jackets eating fish and chips instead of the fabo local tucker. I got into the retsina one night and spent the night on the tiles outside some remote building on Paros and woke to the prospect of a three mile walk to the nearest town. What fun. Peasants on donkeys waved to me etc..

I loved it then, but imagine Greece much changed?

On with Old Calabria

David Green
16 William Street
Marrickville NSW  2204
+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
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  Subject: Re: [ilds] Douglas


  I don't know whether it's been remarked upon before, but I've always assumed that the opening sentence of /Prospero's Cell/ -- "Somewhere between Calabria and Corfu the blue really begins" -- refers to Durrell's initial approach to Corfu while acknowledging Douglas's best book, /Old Calabria/, AND signalling a new, less patrician manner of dealing with the sort of material that Douglas had made his own.  Grove Koger



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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Wed Dec 31 21:05:48 2008
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:05:48 +1100
Subject: [ilds] The wisdom of Douglas
Message-ID: <1BF1723F7BC64859945BF8DBC5F98F79@MumandDad>

...but an Oriental crowd of worshippers does not move me like these European masses of fanaticism: I can never bring myself to regard without a certain amount of disquietude such passionate pilgrims. Give them their their new messiah, and all our painfully accumulated art and knowledge, all that reconciles civilized man to earthy existence, is blown to the winds. Society can deal with its criminals. Not they, but fond enthusiasts such as these, are the menace to its stability.

Amen.

>From Old Calabria

David

Denise Tart & David Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

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From odos.fanourios at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 02:15:20 2009
From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:15:20 -0800
Subject: [ilds] 2009
In-Reply-To: <1BF1723F7BC64859945BF8DBC5F98F79@MumandDad>
References: <1BF1723F7BC64859945BF8DBC5F98F79@MumandDad>
Message-ID: <495C97B8.90007@gmail.com>

Happy New Year to all -- I hope 2009 brings good things to all of you 
and a productive period to the listserv!  Enjoy whatever remains of your 
holidays.

Best,
James

From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan  1 14:24:44 2009
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:24:44 +1100
Subject: [ilds] peasants
Message-ID: <09E4C705BD5B4079B0B9E3B91FFA3F44@MumandDad>

Something that is emerging from the pages of Old Calabria is a very different treatment of the local peasants by Douglas compared to Durrell. Douglas describes melancholy villages, medieval superstition to the point of imbecility, incompetent local administration and people not only 'nasty, brutush and short', but also bereft of soul and spirit by the unending grind of daily existence - a far cry from the merry characters that Larry portrays - father Nicholas, Manoli the philosopher fisherman, the likeable rogue Frangos, to name but a few. Of course Larry lived closer to the peasants than Douglas, whose view seems far more patrician, and perhaps Greek island peasants are more contented souls, but is worth asking the question of whether Larry romanticises his peasants somewhat?

So far, from my readings of Old Calabria, I understand why so many Italian immigrants to Australia, and doubtless the USA also, came from this region - and Sicily!

David
16 William Street
Marrickville NSW  2204
+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
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From minakakisl at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 15:26:24 2009
From: minakakisl at gmail.com (Lou Minakakis)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:26:24 -0500
Subject: [ilds] The wisdom of Douglas
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Here's an online copy of *Old Calabria*:
http://www.authorama.com/book/old-calabria.html


 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Denise Tart & David Green <
dtart at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> ...but an Oriental crowd of worshippers does not move me like these
European
> masses of fanaticism: I can never bring myself to regard without a certain
> amount of disquietude such passionate pilgrims. Give them their their new
> messiah, and all our painfully accumulated art and knowledge, all that
> reconciles civilized man to earthy existence, is blown to the winds.
Society
> can deal with its criminals. Not they, but fond enthusiasts such as these,
> are the menace to its stability.
>
> Amen.
>
> From Old Calabria
>
> David
>
> Denise Tart & David Green
> 16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204
>
> +61 2 9564 6165
> 0412 707 625
> dtart at bigpond.net.au
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From marcpiel at interdesign.fr  Thu Jan  1 15:51:54 2009
From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:51:54 +0100
Subject: [ilds] peasants
In-Reply-To: <09E4C705BD5B4079B0B9E3B91FFA3F44@MumandDad>
References: <09E4C705BD5B4079B0B9E3B91FFA3F44@MumandDad>
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I think that probabbly LD integrated!!! And became 
part of the landscape. That is a richness that few 
are able to achieve. Just guessing, but Douglas 
must have judged and measured by standards that 
came from elsewhere. Just finished The Great 
Gatsby: Fitzgerald understood the people he wrote 
about. I have always maintained that LD must have 
lived what he wrote about: that is what grabbed me 
by the guts (and still does).
BR
Marc

Denise Tart & David Green a ?crit :
> Something that is emerging from the pages of Old Calabria is a very 
> different treatment of the local peasants by Douglas compared to 
> Durrell. Douglas describes melancholy villages, medieval superstition to 
> the point of imbecility, incompetent local administration and people not 
> only 'nasty, brutush and short', but also bereft of soul and spirit by 
> the unending grind of daily existence - a far cry from the merry 
> characters that Larry portrays - father Nicholas, Manoli the philosopher 
> fisherman, the likeable rogue Frangos, to name but a few. Of course 
> Larry lived closer to the peasants than Douglas, whose view seems far 
> more patrician, and perhaps Greek island peasants are more contented 
> souls, but is worth asking the question of whether Larry romanticises 
> his peasants somewhat?
>  
> So far, from my readings of Old Calabria, I understand why so many 
> Italian immigrants to Australia, and doubtless the USA also, came from 
> this region - and Sicily!
>  
> David
> 16 William Street
> Marrickville NSW  2204
> +61 2 9564 6165
> 0412 707 625
> dtart at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dtart at bigpond.net.au>
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From drmood at netspace.net.au  Fri Jan  2 14:04:36 2009
From: drmood at netspace.net.au (NETSPACE ACCOUNT)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:04:36 +1100
Subject: [ilds] peasants
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Oui, oui marc but one must remember LD's self transcendence imperative  
with it's consequential objectivity of ideation conveniently fostered  
his skills as a writer (and peudo-psychiatrist)....at LD's level of  
mindfulness, it too honed in reverse by his plethoric verbiphilia, the  
emotional landscape begins to contour in response to the affectivity  
of his personhood.
AD






ideation

peculair sense if self

Sent from my iPhone

On 02/01/2009, at 10:51, Marc Piel <marcpiel at interdesign.fr> wrote:

> I think that probabbly LD integrated!!! And became
> part of the landscape. That is a richness that few
> are able to achieve. Just guessing, but Douglas
> must have judged and measured by standards that
> came from elsewhere. Just finished The Great
> Gatsby: Fitzgerald understood the people he wrote
> about. I have always maintained that LD must have
> lived what he wrote about: that is what grabbed me
> by the guts (and still does).
> BR
> Marc
>
> Denise Tart & David Green a ?crit :
>> Something that is emerging from the pages of Old Calabria is a very
>> different treatment of the local peasants by Douglas compared to
>> Durrell. Douglas describes melancholy villages, medieval  
>> superstition to
>> the point of imbecility, incompetent local administration and  
>> people not
>> only 'nasty, brutush and short', but also bereft of soul and spirit  
>> by
>> the unending grind of daily existence - a far cry from the merry
>> characters that Larry portrays - father Nicholas, Manoli the  
>> philosopher
>> fisherman, the likeable rogue Frangos, to name but a few. Of course
>> Larry lived closer to the peasants than Douglas, whose view seems far
>> more patrician, and perhaps Greek island peasants are more contented
>> souls, but is worth asking the question of whether Larry romanticises
>> his peasants somewhat?
>>
>> So far, from my readings of Old Calabria, I understand why so many
>> Italian immigrants to Australia, and doubtless the USA also, came  
>> from
>> this region - and Sicily!
>>
>> David
>> 16 William Street
>> Marrickville NSW  2204
>> +61 2 9564 6165
>> 0412 707 625
>> dtart at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dtart at bigpond.net.au>
>>
>>
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From odos.fanourios at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 14:33:09 2009
From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:33:09 -0800
Subject: [ilds] [ILDS] Peasants
Message-ID: <495E9625.4010400@gmail.com>

Just a quick note that <drmood at netspace.net.au> isn't subscribed to this 
listserv, so if you want him to see any postings, be sure to include his 
email address.

--J

From marcpiel at interdesign.fr  Sat Jan  3 02:17:52 2009
From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:17:52 +0100
Subject: [ilds] peasants
In-Reply-To: <E32C7EAA-745E-42D7-BE4E-BD215FD7938B@netspace.net.au>
References: <09E4C705BD5B4079B0B9E3B91FFA3F44@MumandDad>
	<495D571A.7010300@interdesign.fr>
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Sorry but I don't understand what is being said 
here. Unless it is to say that we are all 
influenced by our environment (at least those who 
are interesting and have a bit of punch).
BR Marc

NETSPACE ACCOUNT a ?crit :
> Oui, oui marc but one must remember LD's self transcendence imperative 
> with it's consequential objectivity of ideation conveniently fostered 
> his skills as a writer (and peudo-psychiatrist)....at LD's level of 
> mindfulness, it too honed in reverse by his plethoric verbiphilia, the 
> emotional landscape begins to contour in response to the affectivity of 
> his personhood.
> AD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ideation
> 
> peculair sense if self
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 02/01/2009, at 10:51, Marc Piel <marcpiel at interdesign.fr> wrote:
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>> I think that probabbly LD integrated!!! And became
>> part of the landscape. That is a richness that few
>> are able to achieve. Just guessing, but Douglas
>> must have judged and measured by standards that
>> came from elsewhere. Just finished The Great
>> Gatsby: Fitzgerald understood the people he wrote
>> about. I have always maintained that LD must have
>> lived what he wrote about: that is what grabbed me
>> by the guts (and still does).
>> BR
>> Marc
>>
>> Denise Tart & David Green a ??crit :
>>> Something that is emerging from the pages of Old Calabria is a very
>>> different treatment of the local peasants by Douglas compared to
>>> Durrell. Douglas describes melancholy villages, medieval superstition to
>>> the point of imbecility, incompetent local administration and people not
>>> only 'nasty, brutush and short', but also bereft of soul and spirit by
>>> the unending grind of daily existence - a far cry from the merry
>>> characters that Larry portrays - father Nicholas, Manoli the philosopher
>>> fisherman, the likeable rogue Frangos, to name but a few. Of course
>>> Larry lived closer to the peasants than Douglas, whose view seems far
>>> more patrician, and perhaps Greek island peasants are more contented
>>> souls, but is worth asking the question of whether Larry romanticises
>>> his peasants somewhat?
>>>
>>> So far, from my readings of Old Calabria, I understand why so many
>>> Italian immigrants to Australia, and doubtless the USA also, came from
>>> this region - and Sicily!
>>>
>>> David
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