From godshawl at email.uc.edu Tue Sep 2 13:25:43 2008 From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:25:43 -0400 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <1220105646.1c7099cCharles-Sligh@utc.edu> References: <1220105646.1c7099cCharles-Sligh@utc.edu> Message-ID: <43.7C.05680.641ADB84@gwout2> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080902/88d11eaf/attachment.html From odos.fanourios at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 14:05:53 2008 From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:05:53 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <43.7C.05680.641ADB84@gwout2> References: <1220105646.1c7099cCharles-Sligh@utc.edu> <43.7C.05680.641ADB84@gwout2> Message-ID: <48BDAAB1.5000307@gmail.com> Count me in Bill! Knowing the Folio Society, it will be a lovely edition, and it's one I've been hoping they'd do for years. I wonder if they've retained those marvellous hands from the first Faber editions. I wonder too about what text they've used, since Folio typically used pre-existing plates rather than setting their own editions. I got the Proust set last year as my annual gift for renewing my membership, and it's quite attractive -- they brought out /My Family and Other Animals/ a year or two ago as well. As for Porter, I still like the introduction, and slips of those kinds are the hardest to get at since they're in print everywhere! I think he can hardly be faulted for relying on what's already on paper... Much like his introduction to the recent Faber edition of LD's poetry, he's a keen reader with a quick intuition of the /Quartet's/ shape and form. He also seems particularly good at stirring up interest and worthwhile projects. Best, James william godshalk wrote: > The Folio Soc informs me that /Justine/ is in print and ready for > ordering. I think it would be a good idea if all good Durrellians bit > the bullet and bought a copy. If the Soc doesn't do well with /Justine, > /they might very well cancel the other three -- which would be a shame > -- I think. > > And as Charlie reminded us, it would not be politic to insult Peter > Porter by pointing out his mistakes. It's too late for him to correct > them. Instead, rally round, as Bertie always said. > > Bill > *************************************** > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > 513-281-5927 > *************************************** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From delospeter at hotmail.com Tue Sep 2 23:49:52 2008 From: delospeter at hotmail.com (PETER BALDWIN) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:49:52 +0000 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine Message-ID: I agree Have we ascertained that the Folio Soc will sell individual copies to purchasers without having to subscribe, which I assume would cost more? Any views yet on Deborah Lawrenson's book? It's a good 'airport' book which requires little attention but plays fast and loose with Durrell's biography; I guess it captures well his footloose relationships with women after Claude's death [ guess because I don't know and our priniple interest is in the outcome in Durrell's writing ]; it will appeal particularly to those who know Kalami but those who find the shrine a place of enchantment will be horrified that it is the setting for an unnatural death. Peter Baldwin Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:25:43 -0400To: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu; ilds at lists.uvic.caFrom: godshawl at email.uc.eduSubject: [ilds] The Folio JustineThe Folio Soc informs me that Justine is in print and ready for ordering. I think it would be a good idea if all good Durrellians bit the bullet and bought a copy. If the Soc doesn't do well with Justine, they might very well cancel the other three -- which would be a shame -- I think. And as Charlie reminded us, it would not be politic to insult Peter Porter by pointing out his mistakes. It's too late for him to correct them. Instead, rally round, as Bertie always said. Bill *************************************** W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * 513-281-5927*************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080903/692f588d/attachment.html From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Wed Sep 3 05:34:01 2008 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (Charles Sligh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:34:01 -0400 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine Message-ID: <1220445241.5253b33cCharles-Sligh@utc.edu> See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine And here below I will copy the text of the description. You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. Instead there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. CLS *** Justine Lawrence Durrell Justine, the first volume in Lawrence Durrell's great literary epic The Alexandria Quartet, is an intoxicating story of passion and loss, vast in scope and peopled by memorable personalities, evocatively illustrated with period photographs. Available Now. Justine Your price ?19.95 Add to Basket Introduced by Peter Porter Three-quarter bound in cloth, front board printed with a photo-montage. Set in Fournier. frontispiece and 9 sepia illustrations. Size: 9?" x 6?", 224 pages. The remaining volumes in the Alexandria Quartet will be published during the coming year. >>>> ?A city becomes a world when one loves one of its inhabitants.? The alexandria quartet, published between 1957 and 1960, is one of the great literary epics of the 20th century ? an enormous critical and commercial success at the time, it continues to seduce readers nearly five decades on. Justine, the first volume, is a sensuous and haunting story of passion and loss, set on the eve of the Second World War. >From self-imposed exile on a Greek island, Darley, an impoverished writer, recalls his time in Alexandria and his affair with the enigmatic Justine, and explores the tangled web of their relationships. Within its vast scope, the novel is peopled by memorable characters, from Justine?s patient husband, the wealthy Nessim, and Darley?s lover Melissa to others from their disparate circle of Egyptians and expatriates: the inquisitive barber Mnemjian, the English writer Pursewarden and the eccentric Scobie, a retired Lieutenant-Commander who finds himself working for the Egyptian vice squad. Political and sexual intrigue draw them all ever deeper into the corruption that lurks behind the city?s facade of glamour. Durrell richly evokes the atmosphere of Alexandria where the Mediterranean meets the Middle East: the heat and dust of the markets and mosques, duck shooting on Lake Mareotis, and the faded beauty of the Corniche. The author himself described the novel as ?an investigation of modern love?, and based the character of Justine on his second wife, Eve Cohen. Exotic, impassioned and lyrical, Justine is a truly intoxicating book, both a love story and a portrait of a vanished world. This edition features Durrell?s 1962 preface, and period photographs accompany his poetic realisation of the city. The remaining volumes in The Alexandria Quartet will be published by The Folio Society in the coming year. ?Demands comparison with the very best novels of our century? New York Times Book Review *************************************** Charles L. Sligh Department of English University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Charles-Sligh at utc.edu *************************************** From richardpin at eircom.net Wed Sep 3 08:04:13 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:04:13 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4341487.2982601220454253052.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> I dont think Folio will sell except to full-on subscribers (one could fulfil the subscription requirements by buying 4 copies, for example). I've reviewed the Lawrenson novel for a local mag (n-E Corfu) and will gladly circulate the review (and i/v with Lawrenson by the mag's editor) when it is published. RP ----- "PETER BALDWIN" wrote: > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From odos.fanourios at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 21:19:43 2008 From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:19:43 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <1220445241.5253b33cCharles-Sligh@utc.edu> References: <1220445241.5253b33cCharles-Sligh@utc.edu> Message-ID: <48BF61DF.9010409@gmail.com> I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ (with a free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of Gibbons). Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my books for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially viable to a particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a boon. They may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward them, and it speaks to a continuing readership. I wonder if Porter has written an introduction to each volume. Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how it looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? Best, Jamie Charles Sligh wrote: > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. Instead there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > CLS > From louwhooligan at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 22:37:06 2008 From: louwhooligan at yahoo.com (Linda Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine Message-ID: <2939.88961.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just ordered it and had to join.... ----- Original Message ---- From: PETER BALDWIN To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 2:49:52 AM Subject: Re: [ilds] The Folio Justine I agree ? Have we ascertained that the Folio Soc will sell individual copies to purchasers without having to subscribe, which I assume would cost more? ? Any views yet on Deborah Lawrenson's book? It's a good 'airport' book which requires little attention but plays fast and loose with Durrell's biography; I guess it captures well his footloose relationships with women after Claude's death [ guess because I don't know and our priniple interest is in the outcome in Durrell's writing ]; it will appeal particularly to those who know Kalami but those who find the shrine a place of enchantment will be horrified that it is the setting for an unnatural death. ? Peter Baldwin ________________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:25:43 -0400 To: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu; ilds at lists.uvic.ca From: godshawl at email.uc.edu Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine The Folio Soc informs me that Justine is in print and ready for ordering. I think it would be a good idea if all good Durrellians bit the bullet and bought a copy. If the Soc doesn't do well with Justine, they might very well cancel the other three -- which would be a shame -- I think. And as Charlie reminded us, it would not be politic to insult Peter Porter by pointing out his mistakes. It's too late for him to correct them. Instead, rally round, as Bertie always said. Bill *************************************** W. L. Godshalk?? ????????* Department of English???????? * University of Cincinnati??????????? Stellar disorder? * Cincinnati OH 45221-0069????? * 513-281-5927*************************************** ________________________________ Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080903/49a846d2/attachment.html From louwhooligan at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 22:45:43 2008 From: louwhooligan at yahoo.com (Linda Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine Message-ID: <726707.77623.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I ordered the Green one as well...couldn't resist. ----- Original Message ---- From: James Gifford To: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu; ilds at lists.uvic.ca Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:19:43 AM Subject: Re: [ilds] The Folio Justine I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ (with a free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of Gibbons). Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my books for this year...? If not, Greene looks very appealing. Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially viable to a particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a boon.? They may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward them, and it speaks to a continuing readership.? I wonder if Porter has written an introduction to each volume. Now, let's see who gets a copy first!? Bill, will you tell us how it looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? Best, Jamie Charles Sligh wrote: > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. Instead there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > CLS > _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080903/8b99c401/attachment.html From richardpin at eircom.net Wed Sep 3 23:55:04 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:55:04 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <48BF61DF.9010409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16936276.3023231220511304931.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> The DSC and myself have had our copies since earlier this week. It's an unpretentious production, with interesting atmospheric photographs within and a collage of ditto on cover. I suspect that Porter's intro is designed for all 4 vols. I agree with Jamie that a Folio production is a significant milestone in re-establishing D's reputation. I suspect that the 4 vols together will, in later years, be offered by Folio as a 'carrot' to new/existing subscribers in the same way as (recently) the complete 4 vol Scott Fitzgerald and the Powell 'Dance....Time'. RP ----- "James Gifford" wrote: > I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ (with > a > free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of Gibbons). > Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my books > > for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. > > Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially viable to > a > particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a boon. > They > may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward them, > > and it speaks to a continuing readership. I wonder if Porter has > written an introduction to each volume. > > Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how it > looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? > > Best, > Jamie > > Charles Sligh wrote: > > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. Instead > there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > > > CLS > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From richardpin at eircom.net Thu Sep 4 09:18:33 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:18:33 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <48BF61DF.9010409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4609922.15991220545113614.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> The TLS inform me that they are printing a lengthy and (dare I say it?) heavy-handed letter from Michael Haag in reply to Peter Porter's intro to the AQ, so that my much shorter letter has been withheld. RP ----- "James Gifford" wrote: > I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ (with > a > free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of Gibbons). > Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my books > > for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. > > Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially viable to > a > particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a boon. > They > may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward them, > > and it speaks to a continuing readership. I wonder if Porter has > written an introduction to each volume. > > Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how it > looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? > > Best, > Jamie > > Charles Sligh wrote: > > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. Instead > there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > > > CLS > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From godshawl at email.uc.edu Thu Sep 4 11:16:33 2008 From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:16:33 -0400 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <4609922.15991220545113614.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eirc om.net> References: <48BF61DF.9010409@gmail.com> <4609922.15991220545113614.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Message-ID: But Richard, you should be able to use your material to reply to Michael. And then we can all jump in and reply to each other, etc. Reminds me of the old days. Bill At 12:18 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >The TLS inform me that they are printing a lengthy and (dare I say >it?) heavy-handed letter from Michael Haag in reply to Peter >Porter's intro to the AQ, so that my much shorter letter has been withheld. >RP >----- "James Gifford" wrote: > > I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ (with > > a > > free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of Gibbons). > > Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my books > > > > for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. > > > > Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially viable to > > a > > particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a boon. > > They > > may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward them, > > > > and it speaks to a continuing readership. I wonder if Porter has > > written an introduction to each volume. > > > > Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how it > > looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? > > > > Best, > > Jamie > > > > Charles Sligh wrote: > > > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > > > > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > > > > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > > > > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. Instead > > there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > > > > > CLS > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ILDS mailing list > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > >_______________________________________________ >ILDS mailing list >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds *************************************** W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * 513-281-5927 *************************************** From loisrees at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 13:55:50 2008 From: loisrees at yahoo.com (Lois Rees) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <4609922.15991220545113614.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Message-ID: <161231.60547.qm@web44903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all - I have read the letter Richard Pine refers to.? It has been available on the internet since yesterday.? I do not think that the TLS has perversely chosen to publish a long and 'heavy-handed' letter when there was an equally worthy and even shorter alternative from Richard Pine.? The TLS prints the best, and I think this letter is very interesting and very good.? Here is the link: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article4665956.ece -Lois --- On Thu, 9/4/08, richardpin at eircom.net wrote: From: richardpin at eircom.net Subject: Re: [ilds] The Folio Justine To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 4:18 PM The TLS inform me that they are printing a lengthy and (dare I say it?) heavy-handed letter from Michael Haag in reply to Peter Porter's intro to the AQ, so that my much shorter letter has been withheld. RP ----- "James Gifford" wrote: > I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ (with > a > free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of Gibbons). > Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my books > > for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. > > Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially viable to > a > particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a boon. > They > may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward them, > > and it speaks to a continuing readership. I wonder if Porter has > written an introduction to each volume. > > Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how it > looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? > > Best, > Jamie > > Charles Sligh wrote: > > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. Instead > there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > > > CLS > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080904/7d5ae1ba/attachment.html From odos.fanourios at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 14:20:34 2008 From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:20:34 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <161231.60547.qm@web44903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <161231.60547.qm@web44903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C05122.7020703@gmail.com> Hi Lois, Thanks for pointing that our, though I'm not sure where the perversion derives... Still, in Durrell's vision of the city, perversity rules the day! As Pursewarden might add, "lashings of sex" will certainly help with the sales. May I suggest we let the TLS know we're interested in the Durrell publications? I'm also sure many venues will be looking to review these books in the near future. Best, James Lois Rees wrote: > Hi all - > > I have read the letter Richard Pine refers to. It has been available on > the internet since yesterday. I do not think that the TLS has > perversely chosen to publish a long and 'heavy-handed' letter when there > was an equally worthy and even shorter alternative from Richard Pine. > The TLS prints the best, and I think this letter is very interesting and > very good. Here is the link: > > http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article4665956.ece > > -Lois > > > --- On *Thu, 9/4/08, richardpin at eircom.net //* wrote: > > From: richardpin at eircom.net > Subject: Re: [ilds] The Folio Justine > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 4:18 PM > > The TLS inform me that they are printing a lengthy and (dare I say it?) > heavy-handed letter from Michael Haag in reply to Peter Porter's intro to > the AQ, so that my much shorter letter has been withheld. > RP > ----- "James Gifford" wrote: > > I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ (with > > a > > free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of Gibbons). > > Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my books > > > > for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. > > > > Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially viable to > > a > > particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a boon. > > They > > may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward them, > > > > and it speaks to a continuing > readership. I wonder if Porter has > > written an introduction to each volume. > > > > Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how it > > looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? > > > > Best, > > Jamie > > > > Charles Sligh wrote: > > > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > > > > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > > > > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > > > > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. Instead > > there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > > > > > CLS > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ILDS mailing list > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing > list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From loisrees at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 15:24:57 2008 From: loisrees at yahoo.com (Lois Rees) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <48C05122.7020703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <110397.50954.qm@web44910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi James - What kind of silly response is that? - Lois --- On Thu, 9/4/08, James Gifford wrote: From: James Gifford Subject: Re: [ilds] The Folio Justine To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 9:20 PM Hi Lois, Thanks for pointing that our, though I'm not sure where the perversion derives... Still, in Durrell's vision of the city, perversity rules the day! As Pursewarden might add, "lashings of sex" will certainly help with the sales. May I suggest we let the TLS know we're interested in the Durrell publications? I'm also sure many venues will be looking to review these books in the near future. Best, James Lois Rees wrote: > Hi all - > > I have read the letter Richard Pine refers to. It has been available on > the internet since yesterday. I do not think that the TLS has > perversely chosen to publish a long and 'heavy-handed' letter when there > was an equally worthy and even shorter alternative from Richard Pine. > The TLS prints the best, and I think this letter is very interesting and > very good. Here is the link: > > http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article4665956.ece > > -Lois > > > --- On *Thu, 9/4/08, richardpin at eircom.net //* wrote: > > From: richardpin at eircom.net > Subject: Re: [ilds] The Folio Justine > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 4:18 PM > > The TLS inform me that they are printing a lengthy and (dare I say it?) > heavy-handed letter from Michael Haag in reply to Peter Porter's intro to > the AQ, so that my much shorter letter has been withheld. > RP > ----- "James Gifford" wrote: > > I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ (with > > a > > free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of Gibbons). > > Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my books > > > > for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. > > > > Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially viable to > > a > > particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a boon. > > They > > may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward them, > > > > and it speaks to a continuing > readership. I wonder if Porter has > > written an introduction to each volume. > > > > Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how it > > looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? > > > > Best, > > Jamie > > > > Charles Sligh wrote: > > > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > > > > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > > > > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > > > > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. 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And why doesn't Richard Pine make a constructive contribution instead of mean-spirited noises off? - Lois --- On Thu, 9/4/08, James Gifford wrote: From: James Gifford Subject: Re: [ilds] The Folio Justine To: loisrees at yahoo.com Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 11:34 PM Nice try Lois, but I'm not biting... Give me more content if you want a response, like perhaps something grounded in a quotation -- I bet we could disagree in some fine ways about how to read the Melissa poems. Best, James Lois Rees wrote: > Hi James - > > What kind of silly response is that? > > - Lois -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080904/34fcb863/attachment.html From sunirafa at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 17:00:05 2008 From: sunirafa at gmail.com (Suni Rafa) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:00:05 +0100 Subject: [ilds] the review itself In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1be681780809041700r1e32debdv53e390779f5c64e9@mail.gmail.com> That is a most interesting letter, well worth the space given to it by the TLS. Thank you for posting it. Suni Rafa On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:43 AM, william godshalk wrote: > > *Sources for the 'Alexandria Quartet' > > *Sir, ? Peter Porter has written an interesting article on Lawrence > Durrell and the writing of the Alexandria Quartet (Commentary, August 22 & > 29), which is to appear as the introduction to a new edition of the Quartet > to be published by the Folio Society. As he has kindly acknowledged my > history of the cosmopolitan city and its writers (Alexandria: City of > memory, 2004), from which he drew some of his information, I feel I ought to > set the record straight on a few misleading and factually incorrect > statements made in an otherwise illuminating piece. > > Porter describes The Black Book (1938) as Durrell's first piece of fiction, > but he has misunderstood Durrell who called it "my first real book", the one > in which "I first heard the sound of my own voice". There were, as Durrell > implies, earlier fictional works, including two full-length novels, Pied > Piper of Lovers (1935) and Panic Spring (1937), but he did not regard them > as authentic literary works and their interest is confined to those wanting > to trace Durrell's first footsteps. He would not allow them to be > republished, but they have been recently resurrected by an academic press > and, as chance would have it, they were reviewed by Karl Orend in the same > issue of the TLS as Peter Porter's piece. > > After writing The Black Book Durrell began what would become his greatest > achievement and to which he gave the working title "The Book of the Dead". > This eventually emerged as Justine (1957), which was followed by those > brilliant improvisations, Balthazar (1958), Mountolive (1958) and Clea > (1960), which grew into the Alexandria Quartet. > > It is true, as Porter notes, that Durrell had not intended to write a > quartet, though he later liked to say he had conceived one from the start. > He had not thought beyond Justine, and it was this one volume alone that he > described, even as he was writing it in Cyprus, as "4-dimensional". The > woman who changed everything was Claude Vincendon, of the Jewish Alexandrian > banking family Menasce (not Menasche). But it was not because she imposed > order on his notes; Justine was all but complete when she and Durrell met in > Cyprus in 1955, but she provided the information and inspiration to turn a > single volume into a quartet. > > Durrell and Claude had not previously met in Alexandria, but he had known > members of her family there during the war, and when she walked into his > life in Nicosia she revealed to him that they had been secretly pursuing > Zionist activities in Egypt, which included financing immigration and arms > to Palestine under the noses of the British. Durrell, who had been working > at the British Information Office in Alexandria in the rue Toussoun (not rue > Ch?rif Pasha) and who was close to people in British intelligence, might > have been expected to know about this Palestine plot, but he did not, and > the revelation overturned his impressions of Alexandrian reality (just as > Darley's sense of reality alters through the volumes that succeed Justine) > and led Durrell to conceive the notion of using Claude's uncle George de > Menasce and other Zionist members of her family as models for the fictional > Nessim Hosnani and his family, whom Durrell implausibly portrays as > pro-Zionist Copts in the Quartet. > > Durrell was not the "son of colonial officials in India"; his father, a > self-made man, was an exceptionally enterprising civil engineer who built > everything from bridges and railways to hospitals, steel mills and model > towns across the length and breadth of the Raj. > > After leaving Alexandria, Durrell worked as an information officer in > Rhodes, which had been liberated by the British from a brutal German > occupation. He lived there with Eve Cohen, a young Alexandrian who was his > secretary and became his second wife, and he began Reflections on a Marine > Venus (1953) there but did not complete it until several years later while > he was press officer at the British embassy in Belgrade. His mother did not > come to Rhodes, but while writing Justine in Cyprus, Durrell relied on her > help in caring for his daughter Sappho after her mother, Eve, the model for > Justine, had a mental breakdown and was recuperating in England. Justine was > written against the background of EOKA bombings, and Durrell hardly had time > to find relaxation there by writing Bitter Lemons (1957); that was written > near Donhead St Andrew in Dorset where Durrell and Claude spent the winter > of 1956?7, after they had left Cyprus and before they settled in France ? > where Durrell wrote the remainder of the Alexandria Quartet and immortalized > that "ambiguous white metropolis". > > MICHAEL HAAG > 81A Belsize Lane, London NW3. > > *************************************** > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > 513-281-5927 > *************************************** > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080905/586b2266/attachment.html From richardpin at eircom.net Thu Sep 4 22:56:43 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:56:43 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22029465.14851220594203413.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> There has been far too much of that kind of thing - even though the TLS offered me that option.RP ----- "william godshalk" wrote: > But Richard, you should be able to use your material to reply to > Michael. And then we can all jump in and reply to each other, etc. > > Reminds me of the old days. > > Bill > > > At 12:18 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: > >The TLS inform me that they are printing a lengthy and (dare I say > >it?) heavy-handed letter from Michael Haag in reply to Peter > >Porter's intro to the AQ, so that my much shorter letter has been > withheld. > >RP > >----- "James Gifford" wrote: > > > I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ > (with > > > a > > > free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of > Gibbons). > > > Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my > books > > > > > > for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. > > > > > > Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially > viable to > > > a > > > particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a > boon. > > > They > > > may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward > them, > > > > > > and it speaks to a continuing readership. I wonder if Porter has > > > written an introduction to each volume. > > > > > > Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how > it > > > looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? > > > > > > Best, > > > Jamie > > > > > > Charles Sligh wrote: > > > > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > > > > > > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > > > > > > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > > > > > > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. > Instead > > > there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > > > > > > > CLS > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ILDS mailing list > > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > >_______________________________________________ > >ILDS mailing list > >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > *************************************** > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > 513-281-5927 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From richardpin at eircom.net Fri Sep 5 09:41:22 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:41:22 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] Fw: Re: The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <544982.94054.qm@web44916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23553788.59561220632882713.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Dear Lois Rees, I read your last 2 books with enormous interest and intellectual stimulation and am looking forward greatly to their sequel. When can we expect it, and from what press? Sincerely, Richard Pine ----- "Lois Rees" wrote: > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From sunirafa at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 10:31:20 2008 From: sunirafa at gmail.com (Suni Rafa) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:31:20 +0100 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <22029465.14851220594203413.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> References: <22029465.14851220594203413.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Message-ID: <1be681780809051031i1f4d7999k8451a16a7e8c66d3@mail.gmail.com> Even though the TLS did not print Richard Pine's letter, I'm sure we would be most interested to read it here in this forum. Would Mr Pine kindly post it, with our thanks. Suni Rafa On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:56 AM, wrote: > There has been far too much of that kind of thing - even though the TLS > offered me that option.RP > ----- "william godshalk" wrote: > > But Richard, you should be able to use your material to reply to > > Michael. And then we can all jump in and reply to each other, etc. > > > > Reminds me of the old days. > > > > Bill > > > > > > At 12:18 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: > > >The TLS inform me that they are printing a lengthy and (dare I say > > >it?) heavy-handed letter from Michael Haag in reply to Peter > > >Porter's intro to the AQ, so that my much shorter letter has been > > withheld. > > >RP > > >----- "James Gifford" wrote: > > > > I've already renewed my subscription and have ordered /Justine/ > > (with > > > > a > > > > free set of Graves' /Greek Myths/ and a very cheap set of > > Gibbons). > > > > Once it arrives, we'll see if I can use the next 3 volumes as my > > books > > > > > > > > for this year... If not, Greene looks very appealing. > > > > > > > > Folio tends to produce material that it sees as commercially > > viable to > > > > a > > > > particular class of buyers, and including Durrell there is a > > boon. > > > > They > > > > may not be scholarly editions, but they're the first step toward > > them, > > > > > > > > and it speaks to a continuing readership. I wonder if Porter has > > > > written an introduction to each volume. > > > > > > > > Now, let's see who gets a copy first! Bill, will you tell us how > > it > > > > looks and what edition they've used when yours comes in? > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Jamie > > > > > > > > Charles Sligh wrote: > > > > > See and read about the new volume here, Jamie. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.foliosociety.com/book/JST/justine > > > > > > > > > > And here below I will copy the text of the description. > > > > > > > > > > You will not find the hands in the design of the covers. > > Instead > > > > there is a photo-montage of old Alex pics. > > > > > > > > > > CLS > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ILDS mailing list > > > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >ILDS mailing list > > >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > *************************************** > > W. L. Godshalk * > > Department of English * > > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > > 513-281-5927 > > *************************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ILDS mailing list > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080905/5d4c665a/attachment.html From odos.fanourios at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 11:02:33 2008 From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:02:33 -0700 Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <1be681780809051031i1f4d7999k8451a16a7e8c66d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <22029465.14851220594203413.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> <1be681780809051031i1f4d7999k8451a16a7e8c66d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C17439.5010705@gmail.com> Hello Suni, It's nice to see a new name on the list! Welcome aboard. I'll wait for Richard to post his letter, but having seen it, I can at least comment that Richard's was a more concise comment on the recto-verso tension between Porter's piece and Karl Orend's review (ie: the error about /The Black Book/ being Durrell's first work). He also notes a common error about the Dodecanese. Pine took greater pains to point to Porter's fine and sensitive reading as well as the quality of the Folio printing, or in essence, he praised the book and its worth to potential buyers while corrected a point of fact. While I also enjoyed reading Haag's response, it's longer, tends to focus more on his own view of the Quartet (though his is, admittedly, a fascinating perspective), and does not aim to praise the new Folio edition in quite the same way. In other words, Haag's comments may not encourage readers to pick up the book. I'd also disagree with Michael about Durrell's first two novels, mainly for what I suspect is the nature of Richard's disagreement: that "pick up the book" encouragement. He feels interest in Durrell's first two novels (both just now reprinted after 70 years) "is confined to those wanting to trace Durrell's first footsteps." This does not particularly encourage readers to pick up a copy. For me, having taught /Pied Piper of Lovers/ a few times and now having edited both of those early novels, I am quite sure they have a broader appeal and would likely be easier for a casual reader to engage with. I am, however, biased in that matter... I look forward to seeing more of your comments. My best, James Suni Rafa wrote: > Even though the TLS did not print Richard Pine's letter, I'm sure we > would be most interested to read it here in this forum. Would Mr Pine > kindly post it, with our thanks. > > Suni Rafa From loisrees at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 11:48:58 2008 From: loisrees at yahoo.com (Lois Rees) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ilds] Fw: Re: The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <23553788.59561220632882713.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Message-ID: <155255.71973.qm@web44908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'm a housewife, and I joined this list for some intellectual stimulation, but all you have to offer are snide remarks. - Lois --- On Fri, 9/5/08, richardpin at eircom.net wrote: From: richardpin at eircom.net Subject: Re: [ilds] Fw: Re: The Folio Justine To: loisrees at yahoo.com, ilds at lists.uvic.ca Cc: "ILDS" Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:41 PM Dear Lois Rees, I read your last 2 books with enormous interest and intellectual stimulation and am looking forward greatly to their sequel. When can we expect it, and from what press? Sincerely, Richard Pine ----- "Lois Rees" wrote: > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds _______________________________________________ ILDS mailing list ILDS at lists.uvic.ca https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080905/6f5d074f/attachment.html From richardpin at eircom.net Fri Sep 5 12:35:53 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:35:53 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <1be681780809051031i1f4d7999k8451a16a7e8c66d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10643945.68211220643353497.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> My letter was so brief that it seems unnecessary to circulate it, given that one of the 2 errors to which it draws attention was addressed in Michael Haag's own letter. RP ----- "Suni Rafa" wrote: > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From richardpin at eircom.net Fri Sep 5 12:40:23 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:40:23 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] Fw: Re: The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <155255.71973.qm@web44908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20179385.68361220643623215.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> I must be confusing you with the other Lois Rees. RP ----- "Lois Rees" wrote: > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Fri Sep 5 13:00:42 2008 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (csligh) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:00:42 -0400 Subject: [ilds] the review itself In-Reply-To: <1be681780809041700r1e32debdv53e390779f5c64e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1be681780809041700r1e32debdv53e390779f5c64e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C18FEA.6060108@utc.edu> Thanks to all for posting with different views on the new Folio _Justine_. Its appearance is an event worth attending. And Durrell would not mind the merchandising at all, I think. Roofs and plumbing tend to go out and cost us money, here in Tennessee and there in Sommi?res. Long may the old fellow--or at least his estate--prosper-and-sell. I have always thought that the bibliographic form of _Justine_ is essential to the experience of understanding and enjoying _Justine_. The book is more than written words. I can mark out how my reading of _Justine_ in the Faber 1957 printing distinguishes itself. With its distinctive, diamond-cut, kite-flying and scimitar-curved Centaur typeface, the 1957 setting still remains for me the dominant and (personally) preferred manner for reading the book. I am always thrown back into nostalgia when I try to read _Justine_ collected within the 1962 omnibus. I miss the Centaur type, and I miss the enforced jumps back and forth between _Justine_ and her sibling volumes. One should really have to labor a bit when cross-referencing. That said, I know that Bill has a lasting fondness for his old paper-covered editions. . . . So what I would like to ask: Could any of you lucky folk share the particulars of your impression of reading _Justine_ in the Folio printing? What does this 2008 printing bring to the surface? For the record: I have always disliked the production of the signed Franklin Mint printings. I am away from my books--still in boxes after the move--but if I recall accurately the divisions between the episodes of the novel (******) were left out. Those stars or asterisks seem so intrinsic to me, especially since Durrell used them to divide moments jotted and drafted into his notebooks and typescripts. To have them replicated in the production is part of the Quartet's special magic. In my fancy it makes me feel as if I had Darley's--or Durrell's--notebooks through which to puzzle. I will be waiting to hear more news-- Charles From odos.fanourios at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 12:57:23 2008 From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:57:23 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Fw: Re: The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <155255.71973.qm@web44908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <155255.71973.qm@web44908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C18F23.8010803@gmail.com> Hello Lois, The list always welcomes participation, regardless of background. I must admit though, we've only had comments from you in which you accuse people of being "snide," "perverse," "mean-spirited," or "silly." While spirited discussions are welcome as well, you've not added actual content to these remarks that gives people something to discuss further -- why not give an example of what you mean, a reference to a point in a text, a poem, a letter, or so forth, so that there's a basis for further discussion. Mutually tossing adjectives or names about just leads to short conversations. In other words, intellectual stimulation is welcome, and I hope the list can offer that to you. I'd also encourage you to contribute to that activity, otherwise it's not likely anyone will respond. As Richard's last posting indicates, at least he's making contributions by writing books -- he and Haag disagree with each other, sometimes very strongly indeed, but they've also made the point of travelling to meet each other, they read and quote each other, and generally disagree in ways that contribute to each other's work. I like to think that I disagree with (and am disagreeable to) others in a similar way, such that they can use and benefit from how they differ from me. In that spirit, perhaps you could tell us more about how you read Porter's article in the /TLS/ from your perspective? Is that the kind of view of Durrell that made you keen to join this list, or has Porter suggested an interpretation with which you disagree or that compels you to see things differently? Cheers, James Lois Rees wrote: > I'm a housewife, and I joined this list for some intellectual > stimulation, but all you have to offer are snide remarks. > > - Lois > > --- On *Fri, 9/5/08, richardpin at eircom.net //* wrote: > > From: richardpin at eircom.net > Subject: Re: [ilds] Fw: Re: The Folio Justine > To: loisrees at yahoo.com, ilds at lists.uvic.ca > Cc: "ILDS" > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:41 PM > > Dear Lois Rees, I read your last 2 books with enormous interest and intellectual > stimulation and am looking forward greatly to their sequel. When can we expect > it, and from what press? Sincerely, Richard Pine From godshawl at email.uc.edu Fri Sep 5 13:37:53 2008 From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:37:53 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Fw: Re: The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <155255.71973.qm@web44908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <23553788.59561220632882713.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> <155255.71973.qm@web44908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72.67.16970.D9891C84@gwout1> Lois, You have our permission to kick Richard's ass. Durrell claimed he was Irish. Richard really is. Two Irishmen walked out of a bar. Bill *************************************** W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * 513-281-5927 *************************************** From godshawl at email.uc.edu Fri Sep 5 14:07:03 2008 From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:07:03 -0400 Subject: [ilds] the review itself In-Reply-To: <48C18FEA.6060108@utc.edu> References: <1be681780809041700r1e32debdv53e390779f5c64e9@mail.gmail.com> <48C18FEA.6060108@utc.edu> Message-ID: <5E.24.05680.17F91C84@gwout2> Charlie likes to remind us that "reading" is much more than running our eyes down a page of type. And you will remind me that in reading we do not simply run our eyes down a page of type. For one thing, our eyes are moving more quickly than our brains can make sense of the information received from the eyes. But to the point --- As some of you know I started reading Justine on a snowy winter night on Cape Cod. I had come down for the weekend and had no books with me. But the cabin in which I was staying had a copy of Justine. I read about fifty pages and was enchanted. I loved picking up the allusions to Eliot. I had not finished Justine before returning to Boston, so I took the book with me. Yes, I purloined it. And indeed I still have the book, the paperback Cardinal Edition. I've underlined and written in it. I did not steal the other volumes. I bought them. On pages 9-10 of this edition of Justine, the paragraph beginning "Six o'clock , , , " and ending 'Only the obstinate memory of this smile is to make me doubt it in the days to come" does not refer to Melissa, and indeed I have written Justine beside "her." In later editions Durrell refers directly to Melissa. I do not approve of this change. I want my ambiguity back. Bill At 04:00 PM 9/5/2008, you wrote: >Thanks to all for posting with different views on the new Folio >_Justine_. Its appearance is an event worth attending. And Durrell >would not mind the merchandising at all, I think. Roofs and plumbing >tend to go out and cost us money, here in Tennessee and there in >Sommi?res. Long may the old fellow--or at least his >estate--prosper-and-sell. > >I have always thought that the bibliographic form of _Justine_ is >essential to the experience of understanding and enjoying _Justine_. >The book is more than written words. I can mark out how my reading of >_Justine_ in the Faber 1957 printing distinguishes itself. With its >distinctive, diamond-cut, kite-flying and scimitar-curved Centaur >typeface, the 1957 setting still remains for me the dominant and >(personally) preferred manner for reading the book. I am always thrown >back into nostalgia when I try to read _Justine_ collected within the >1962 omnibus. I miss the Centaur type, and I miss the enforced jumps >back and forth between _Justine_ and her sibling volumes. One should >really have to labor a bit when cross-referencing. > >That said, I know that Bill has a lasting fondness for his old >paper-covered editions. . . . > >So what I would like to ask: Could any of you lucky folk share the >particulars of your impression of reading _Justine_ in the Folio >printing? What does this 2008 printing bring to the surface? > >For the record: I have always disliked the production of the signed >Franklin Mint printings. I am away from my books--still in boxes after >the move--but if I recall accurately the divisions between the episodes >of the novel (******) were left out. Those stars or asterisks seem so >intrinsic to me, especially since Durrell used them to divide moments >jotted and drafted into his notebooks and typescripts. To have them >replicated in the production is part of the Quartet's special magic. In >my fancy it makes me feel as if I had Darley's--or Durrell's--notebooks >through which to puzzle. > >I will be waiting to hear more news-- > >Charles >_______________________________________________ >ILDS mailing list >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds *************************************** W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * 513-281-5927 *************************************** From marcpiel at interdesign.fr Fri Sep 5 15:39:54 2008 From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:39:54 +0200 Subject: [ilds] promoting durrell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C1B53A.4070107@interdesign.fr> Hello, Is your offer to access JSTOR still viable. I have a number of articles I would like to read. Yours sincerely Marc Piel, Paris, France. Pamela Francis a ?crit : > Marc--I have access to JSTOR and Project Muse and basically everything else. > If the articles you need are full text, I can email them to you. And for > that matter, if they're not full text, I can find them, copy them, and mail > them to you. Oh! I see you live in France. Well, let me know what you > need and I will do my best to get it for you. I'm known here on the > Humanities side of campus as the Knowledge Wrangler, so give me something to > wrangle, and it shall be wrangled...glad to help--Pamela Francis (Subverter > of all copyrighting...) > > >> From: Marc Piel >> Reply-To: marcpiel at interdesign.fr, ilds at lists.uvic.ca >> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca >> Subject: Re: [ilds] promoting durrell >> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:38:02 +0200 >> >> Hello everyone, >> This is not related to LD! >> Is there someone in the group who has acces to >> "JSTOR"? >> I would be gratefull if someone can help me obtain >> acces to some articles! >> Thanks in advance and best wishes. >> Marc >> >> slighcl wrote: >> >>> Dear David: >>> >>> Grand idea about the flier with bibliography and quotes. Of course, >>> intimate, enthusiastic conversations between friend and friend and >>> between lover and lover will always bring in more readers of Durrell. >>> >>> Here is another update about the Whitely oil titled Justine, soon up for >>> auction. That painting is really making news. I post it again in >>> reference to our current questions and answers about how Durrell's name >>> survives posthumously. A million dollar sale for a work of art named >>> for a Durrell work is not unimportant in the scheme of things. With the >>> numerous articles published in the Australian and Art World press, >>> Durrell and Justine have now been noted in print perhaps more all at >>> once than any time since their original appearance. Perhaps >>> somewhere--on a bus, in a pub, or outside the auction house--someone >>> will be saying to herself, hmm, Justine? Didn't my mate from university >>> talk up that book? I just may have to take a look. >>> >>> What can you tell us about this "celebrated Australian artist," David? >>> Has he ever talked about Durrell as a source of inspiration? >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> *** >>> >>> AUCTION ANNOUNCEMENT >>> >> http://www.designtaxi.com/news.jsp?id=10099&monthview=0&month=7&year=2007 >>> Held on Tuesday, 7 August at 6pm, Melbourne >>> >>> The Bonhams & Goodman Fine Art auction on Tuesday 7 August will be the >>> most significant sale conducted by the company in Australia. It recently >>> announced the consignment of an iconic nude by the celebrated Australian >>> artist Brett Whiteley with pre-sale estimates of $1.4mil-1.8mil as well >>> as an impressive work by Sir Arthur Streeton with an auction estimate of >>> $400,000-500,000. Also included in the auction is a particularly >>> important self portrait by James Gleeson and three major works by Albert >>> Tucker, widely considered to be the fastest appreciating artist in the >>> current Australian market. >>> >>> The Whiteley oil titled Justine depicts the artist's wife, Wendy, >>> sun-baking on Sydney's Bondi Beach reading the novel, Justine by the >>> modernist writer Lawrence Durrell. The painting was exhibited at the >>> Whiteley Studio, the museum established in Surrey Hills, Sydney to mark >>> the life and work of the artist until it (the picture) was sold >>> privately by the Whiteley estate in 2004. >>> >>> This important painting is appearing at auction for the first time >>> having been consigned by a private Sydney collector. Justine is expected >>> to break the auction record for a painting in this genre by Whiteley or >>> by any other Australian artist. National Head of Art at Bonhams & >>> Goodman, Geoffrey Smith said, "The Whiteley is an icon of 20th Century >>> Australian art and we are delighted to have been appointed to conduct >>> the sale." >>> >>> -- >>> ********************** >>> Charles L. Sligh >>> Department of English >>> Wake Forest University >>> slighcl at wfu.edu >>> ********************** >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ILDS mailing list >>> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >>> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Fri Sep 5 17:17:43 2008 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (csligh) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:17:43 -0400 Subject: [ilds] promoting durrell In-Reply-To: <48C1B53A.4070107@interdesign.fr> References: <48C1B53A.4070107@interdesign.fr> Message-ID: <48C1CC27.7060206@utc.edu> List away, Marc. In the name of knowledge and scholarship and Guest Friendship, someone here will be happy to promote fellowship and Durrell. Tacking like Odysseus-- CLS From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Fri Sep 5 17:34:48 2008 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (csligh) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:34:48 -0400 Subject: [ilds] what Lawrence Durrell achieved in his classic The Alexandria Quartet In-Reply-To: <48C1CC27.7060206@utc.edu> References: <48C1B53A.4070107@interdesign.fr> <48C1CC27.7060206@utc.edu> Message-ID: <48C1D028.6070608@utc.edu> I am pleased to read the following piece on Theroux discussing Durrell. A number of years ago, I created a reading list that included Durrell, Chatwin, Theroux, Bowles, Hunter Thompson, &c. With all apologies to Douglas, Byron, Fermor, &c., for my purposes, Durrell seemed a natural fount for the tradition. Perhaps we are witnessing a sort of quickening of things Durrellian. Perhaps we are nearing something unexpected. Hold on for more. From Chattanooga, under the White Oaks at Nye Farm, with libations to all the Old Ones and Old Friends still able to read. /Kali nichta/, and full cups for-ever and for-all. C&c.-- *** From The Times September 5, 2008 Interview with Paul Theroux, author of Ghost Train to the Easter Star: On the Tracks of The Great Railway Bazaar http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article4681965.ece > What Theroux does in his latest book by revisiting his previous > destinations after 33 years is to add the fourth dimension: Time. > > In its modest way, Ghost Train to the Eastern Star assays what > Lawrence Durrell achieved in his classic The Alexandria Quartet - a > tetralogy that Theroux adores. Inspired by Einstein's theory of > relativity, Durrell's four books approach the same events from > different standpoints, with the final volume looking back from the > vantage point of time. Ghost Train attempts the same feat. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080905/333f07ae/attachment.html From richardpin at eircom.net Sat Sep 6 00:03:49 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:03:49 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] Fw: Re: The Folio Justine In-Reply-To: <72.67.16970.D9891C84@gwout1> Message-ID: <4519037.77271220684629500.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Oh no I'm not. ----- "william godshalk" wrote: > Lois, > > You have our permission to kick Richard's ass. Durrell claimed he was > > Irish. Richard really is. > > Two Irishmen walked out of a bar. > > Bill > *************************************** > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > 513-281-5927 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From godshawl at email.uc.edu Sat Sep 6 09:57:01 2008 From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:57:01 -0400 Subject: [ilds] resident alien In-Reply-To: <4519037.77271220684629500.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eirc om.net> References: <72.67.16970.D9891C84@gwout1> <4519037.77271220684629500.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Message-ID: <00.F6.05680.756B2C84@gwout2> You were a resident alien in Ireland? And you're really Greek? Did you know that Aldous Huxley was really an American citizen? At 03:03 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: >Oh no I'm not. >----- "william godshalk" wrote: > > Lois, > > > > You have our permission to kick Richard's ass. Durrell claimed he was > > > > Irish. Richard really is. > > > > Two Irishmen walked out of a bar. > > > > Bill > > *************************************** > > W. L. Godshalk * > > Department of English * > > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > > 513-281-5927 > > *************************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ILDS mailing list > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > >_______________________________________________ >ILDS mailing list >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds *************************************** W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * 513-281-5927 *************************************** From richardpin at eircom.net Sat Sep 6 12:18:25 2008 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:18:25 +0100 (IST) Subject: [ilds] resident alien In-Reply-To: <00.F6.05680.756B2C84@gwout2> Message-ID: <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> My status is my own concern. Is Godshalk an indigenous American name? You should never jump to conclusions (or even overtures). RP ----- "william godshalk" wrote: > You were a resident alien in Ireland? And you're really Greek? Did > you know that Aldous Huxley was really an American citizen? > > > > > At 03:03 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: > >Oh no I'm not. > >----- "william godshalk" wrote: > > > Lois, > > > > > > You have our permission to kick Richard's ass. Durrell claimed he > was > > > > > > Irish. Richard really is. > > > > > > Two Irishmen walked out of a bar. > > > > > > Bill > > > *************************************** > > > W. L. Godshalk * > > > Department of English * > > > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > > > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > > > 513-281-5927 > > > *************************************** > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ILDS mailing list > > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > >_______________________________________________ > >ILDS mailing list > >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > *************************************** > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > 513-281-5927 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Sat Sep 6 14:05:07 2008 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (csligh) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:05:07 -0400 Subject: [ilds] resident alien In-Reply-To: <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> References: <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Message-ID: <48C2F083.5090409@utc.edu> So let us just turn back to discussing Durrell's status, the prime concern for all of us. CLS From godshawl at email.uc.edu Sat Sep 6 17:14:39 2008 From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:14:39 -0400 Subject: [ilds] resident alien In-Reply-To: <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.ei rcom.net> References: <00.F6.05680.756B2C84@gwout2> <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> Message-ID: <89.44.16970.8EC13C84@gwout1> My darling Richard, There are NO indigenous American names, as you well know. My Indian name is "Two Dogs Pissing," Your status is, of course, a matter of public concern. We shall look into this. TDP At 03:18 PM 9/6/2008, you wrote: >My status is my own concern. Is Godshalk an indigenous American >name? You should never jump to conclusions (or even overtures). RP >----- "william godshalk" wrote: > > You were a resident alien in Ireland? And you're really Greek? Did > > you know that Aldous Huxley was really an American citizen? > > > > > > > > > > At 03:03 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: > > >Oh no I'm not. > > >----- "william godshalk" wrote: > > > > Lois, > > > > > > > > You have our permission to kick Richard's ass. Durrell claimed he > > was > > > > > > > > Irish. Richard really is. > > > > > > > > Two Irishmen walked out of a bar. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > *************************************** > > > > W. L. Godshalk * > > > > Department of English * > > > > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > > > > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > > > > 513-281-5927 > > > > *************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ILDS mailing list > > > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >ILDS mailing list > > >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > *************************************** > > W. L. Godshalk * > > Department of English * > > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > > 513-281-5927 > > *************************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ILDS mailing list > > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > >_______________________________________________ >ILDS mailing list >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds *************************************** W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * 513-281-5927 *************************************** From godshawl at email.uc.edu Sat Sep 6 17:26:44 2008 From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:26:44 -0400 Subject: [ilds] the variants in the work of Justine? In-Reply-To: <48C2F083.5090409@utc.edu> References: <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> <48C2F083.5090409@utc.edu> Message-ID: Yes, but, still and at the same time, what about the status of Durrell's text of Justine? I know that you know more about this than most people. And I remember being delighted by your talk on the subject in Louisville. If you can get us talking about the textual variants in Justine, I shall stop doing what I have been doing. I shall recant all vulgarity. I shall say that I shot my arrow over the house and hit my brother. I shall desist. tdp At 05:05 PM 9/6/2008, you wrote: >So let us just turn back to discussing Durrell's status, the prime >concern for all of us. > >CLS >_______________________________________________ >ILDS mailing list >ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds *************************************** W. L. Godshalk * Department of English * University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * 513-281-5927 *************************************** From odos.fanourios at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 08:51:18 2008 From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:51:18 -0700 Subject: [ilds] the variants in the work of Justine? In-Reply-To: References: <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> <48C2F083.5090409@utc.edu> Message-ID: <48C3F876.90703@gmail.com> Bill, Does anyone yet know the origins of the Folio edition? Which version of /Justine/ did they use? The insertion of photographic materials suggests they may have done their own, but that seems unlikely for the cheaper end of their production -- my hunch is that they used whatever set of plates was most readily available, which would likely be the recent Faber paperback of /Justine/ as she appeared in the omnibus edition of the /Quartet/. Alas, that would mean your ambiguities were foreclosed... Personally, I'm hoping for yet another variant. I realized in class on Thursday that my course anthology had made some judicious changes to Joyce's "Araby" to make his word choice easier for students -- I corrected it back to greater complexity, despite the roars of protest. I wonder if something akin may have happened with the Folio Durrell? Oh, and for anyone interested, I'm sure Old D would have been glad to see himself in Folio. It's money in the bank, and much like Porter, he wrote an Introduction to the Folio edition of D.H. Lawrence's /Etruscan Places/ back in 1972. Best, James ps: as for your shot arrow, are we to believe Richard's your brother? You do get around... But more seriously, who's Ophelia? william godshalk wrote: > > Yes, but, still and at the same time, what about the status of > Durrell's text of Justine? I know that you know more about this than > most people. And I remember being delighted by your talk on the > subject in Louisville. > > If you can get us talking about the textual variants in Justine, I > shall stop doing what I have been doing. I shall recant all > vulgarity. I shall say that I shot my arrow over the house and hit my > brother. I shall desist. > > tdp > > > > At 05:05 PM 9/6/2008, you wrote: >> So let us just turn back to discussing Durrell's status, the prime >> concern for all of us. >> >> CLS >> _______________________________________________ >> ILDS mailing list >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > *************************************** > W. L. Godshalk * > Department of English * > University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder * > Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 * > 513-281-5927 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > ILDS mailing list > ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > From Charles-Sligh at utc.edu Sun Sep 7 09:22:49 2008 From: Charles-Sligh at utc.edu (csligh) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:22:49 -0400 Subject: [ilds] the variants in the work of Justine? In-Reply-To: <48C3F876.90703@gmail.com> References: <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> <48C2F083.5090409@utc.edu> <48C3F876.90703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C3FFD9.8040205@utc.edu> James Gifford wrote: > my hunch is that they used whatever > set of plates was most readily available, which would likely be the > recent Faber paperback of /Justine/ as she appeared in the omnibus > edition of the /Quartet/. The bibliographic description posted by the Folio Society tells us that this edition reprints Durrell's 1962 preface for the omnibus /Quartet/. That makes matters interesting because the Folio Society is not issuing the four volumes collected as one volume. So my questions for anyone receiving the new Folio /Justine/: What of the typography? What of the presentation? Does this /Justine/ preserve the section breaks between the episodes between the "Parts"? Strictly speaking, even if this Folio printing followed any specific early printing--even if it did not introduce "variants" in the sense of which Bill writes--it would still be a unique variant edition of its own. For the historian and the archaeologist, no two books are identical in physical data, even if printed simultaneously. That is sound bibliographically, and I understood it via Durrell's relativism before I understood it through bibliography. One step to the east or the west &c. . . . . Enjoy these new editions-- CLS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20080907/e346d1cd/attachment.html From godshawl at email.uc.edu Sun Sep 7 15:56:54 2008 From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:56:54 -0400 Subject: [ilds] who's Ophelia? In-Reply-To: <48C3F876.90703@gmail.com> References: <19862176.100081220728705371.JavaMail.root@webmailbox301.eircom.net> <48C2F083.5090409@utc.edu> <48C3F876.90703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88.84.16970.93C54C84@gwout1> I suppose Eve is Ophelia. I leave the details to you -- lest I step on more feet. All men are my brothers, of course. But we Parthians just can't resist. I was listening the other night to the abridged audio Justine, and following along in the Cardinal Edition which lies quietly on my kitchen table -- and I note that the audio added a "Justine" where the Cardinal had none. (Some abridgement.) After a gin and tonic or two, I did not have the motivation to check in all the editions I have, but it seemed to me that the "Justine" was added incorrectly. Our narrator was talking about Melissa. So I thought. And, young Chuck, I have not received any of the Folio copies. I did indeed order one copy, and I may (after three gin and tonics, or is it three gins and tonics?) have ordered three more. Let's hear it for the Hinman collator!!! Hurrah! Now we can look at these supposedly identical printings and see the (can I say?) variants. Between or among the early printings of Shakespeare's Troilus and Cressida, there are as many as 2500 variants, though some scholars only acknowledge 400 or so. How many would you acknowledge in, say, Justine? In Shakespeare, the variants are sometimes/often seen as signs of revision -- not poor typesettimg. Ahum. And finally, briefly, what's the difference between "variant" as I use it, and "variant" as Charlie does? Bill At 11:51 AM 9/7/2008, you wrote: >Bill, > >Does anyone yet know the origins of the Folio edition? Which version of >/Justine/ did they use? The insertion of photographic materials >suggests they may have done their own, but that seems unlikely for the >cheaper end of their production -- my hunch is that they used whatever >set of plates was most readily available, which would likely be the >recent Faber paperback of /Justine/ as she appeared in the omnibus >edition of the /Quartet/. > >Alas, that would mean your ambiguities were foreclosed... > >Personally, I'm hoping for yet another variant. I realized in class on >Thursday that my course anthology had made some judicious changes to >Joyce's "Araby" to make his word choice easier for students -- I >corrected it back to greater complexity, despite the roars of protest. >I wonder if something akin may have happened with the Folio Durrell? > >Oh, and for anyone interested, I'm sure Old D would have been glad to >see himself in Folio. It's money in the bank, and much like Porter, he >wrote an Introduction to the Folio edition of D.H. Lawrence's /Etruscan >Places/ back in 1972. > >Best, >James > >ps: as for your shot arrow, are we to believe Richard's your brother? >You do get around... But more seriously, who's Ophelia? > >william godshalk wrote: > > > > Yes, but, still and at the same time, what about the status of > > Durrell's text of Justine? I know that you know more about this than > > most people. And I remember being delighted by your talk on the > > subject in Louisville. > > > > If you can get us talking about the textual variants in Justine, I > > shall stop doing what I have been doing. I shall recant all > > vulgarity. I shall say that I shot my arrow over the house and hit my > > brother. I shall desist. > > > > tdp > > > > > > > > At 05:05 PM 9/6/2008, you wrote: > >> So let us just turn back to discussing Durrell's status, the prime > >> concern for all of us. > >> > >> CLS > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ILDS mailing list > >> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca > >> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds > > > > *************************************** > > W. L. 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