[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 4

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Tue Jan 15 16:25:43 PST 2008


 
Cooper's book Cairo in the War is undependable, as Michael Haag and I have  
shown in our recent publications.  Her bio of the gorgeous E. David is more  
dependable I assume.  David did not know LD in Greece but in Cairo.   Don't 
recall her sleeping with Manning's husband Reggie who didn't look  particularly 
attractive, but quien sabe? David's books are classics, despite her  incredibly 
misguided abhorrence for the garlic press.  Norman  Douglas has, of course, 
been the subject of much discussion and has entered into  fiction in an 
interesting book about one of his early youth (he was apparently  quite the pedophile) 
bed mates who goes to Kenya to run a plantation but meets  David and Douglas 
again on Capri.  See also Shirley Hazzard's "Greene on  Capri" well worth 
reading even if one doesn't like Graham Greene's work.
        Brewster
 
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Today's Topics:

1. Elizabeth David  (Denise Tart & David Green)
2. Re: Elizabeth David  (Vittorio Celentano)
3. Re: Elizabeth David (Pamela  Francis)
4. Re: Elizabeth David (James  Gifford)


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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:56:11 +1100
From: "Denise Tart & David  Green" <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [ilds] Elizabeth David
To:  "Durrel" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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Last night on TV I watched a tele movie about  the food writer Elizabeth 
David. It would appear from subsequent research that  she knew LD. Can anyone 
elaborate on this?

Norman Douglas featured also  and appears to have been a fascinating chap and 
quite an influence on the  young LD. Sounds worth a read?

DG


Denise Tart & David  Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564  6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan  2008 21:08:34 -0500
From: "Vittorio Celentano"  <vcel at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [ilds] Elizabeth David
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Dear Friends,

I have the  Penguin Handbook "Italian Cooking" by Elizabeth David, but it the 
foreword  there is no reference to Lawrence Durrell. Anyway, this excerpt 
from Wikipedia  should answer your query.

"Born Elizabeth Gwynne, she was of mixed  English and Irish ancestry[1], and 
came from a rather grand background,  growing up in the 17th century Sussex 
manor house, Wootton Manor with three  sisters. Her parents were Rupert Gwynne, 
Conservative MP for Eastbourne, and  the Hon. Stella Ridley who came from a 
distinguished Northumberland family.  Her uncle, Roland Gwynne, later became 
Mayor of Eastbourne and may have been a  lover of suspected serial killer John 
Bodkin Adams.[2]
She studied at the  Sorbonne, living with a French family for two years, 
which led to a love of  France and of food. At the age of 19, she was given her 
first cookery book,  The Gentle Art of Cookery by Hilda Leyel, who wrote of her 
love with the food  of the East. "If I had been given a standard Mrs Beeton 
instead of Mrs Leyel's  wonderful recipes," she said, "I would probably never 
have learned to  cook."

Gwynne had an adventurous early life, leaving home to become an  actress. She 
left England in 1939, when she was twenty-five, and bought a boat  with her 
married lover Charles Gibson-Cowan intending to travel around the  
Mediterranean. The onset of World War II interrupted this plan, and they had  to flee the 
German occupation of France. They left Antibes for Corsica and  then on to 
Italy where the boat was impounded, they having arrived on the day  Italy 
declared war on Britain. They were eventually deported to Greece, then  made their 
way to the Greek island of Syros living there for a period, where  she learnt 
about Greek food and spent time with high bohemians such as  Lawrence Durrell. 
When the Germans invaded Greece they managed to flee to  Crete where they were 
rescued by the British and evacuated to Egypt, where she  lived firstly in 
Alexandria and eventually in Cairo. There Gwynne started work  for the Ministry 
of Information, split from Gibson-Cowan, and eventually took  on a m!
arriage of convenience to Lieutenant-Colonel Tony David; this gave  her a 
measure of respectability but David was a man whom she did not  ultimately 
respect, and their relationship ended soon after an eight month  posting in India. 
She had many lovers in ensuing  years."



Vittorio Celentano -  vcel at ix.netcom.com





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From: Denise Tart & David Green 
To: Durrel  
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: [ilds]  Elizabeth David


Last night on TV I watched a tele movie  about the food writer Elizabeth 
David. It would appear from subsequent  research that she knew LD. Can anyone 
elaborate on this?

Norman  Douglas featured also and appears to have been a fascinating chap and 
quite an  influence on the young LD. Sounds worth a read?

DG


Denise Tart & David Green
16 William  Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707  625
dtart at bigpond.net.au


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Date: Mon, 14 Jan  2008 21:00:01 -0600
From: Pamela Francis  <albigensian at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ilds] Elizabeth David
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Elizabeth David was living in  Cairo at the same time as LD, and she was 
apparently sleeping with Olivia  Manning's husband. Artemis Cooper has written a 
fairly thorough bio of her,  and she is mentioned in Cooper's Cairo in the War. 
Hope that  helps--pamela

From: dtart at bigpond.net.au
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Last night on TV I  watched a tele movie about the 
food writer Elizabeth David. It would  appear from subsequent research that 
she 
knew LD. Can anyone elaborate on  this?

Norman Douglas featured also and appears to have 
been a  fascinating chap and quite an influence on the young LD. Sounds worth 
a  
read?

DG


Denise Tart & David Green
16 William  Street, 
Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707  625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Jan  2008 22:59:54 -0700
From: James Gifford  <odos.fanourios at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ilds] Elizabeth David
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Pamela and Vittorio have already  answered this, but I'll second the 
comments on Artemis Cooper's biography  (and that's a name that should be 
familiar to Durrell folks).  It's  fine & fun reading (conveniently 
remaindered over here).  We also  had an excellent paper at the MSA this 
Fall on the topic of food &  Modernism, which had initially included 
discussion of Elizabeth David --  there's much to discuss here, and she's 
certainly not a figure to be  dismissed from her intellectual & artistic 
milieu as simply a  "foodie."  I was certainly caught up in the tension 
between war  rationing and the cookbook craze...  Fascinating things to  read.

Norman Douglas is also certainly worth a read (I say that as I'm  reading 
through _Panic Spring_ at the moment, where his influence is  evident), 
and Keith Douglas deserves a go as well, especially if you're  looking at 
Elizabeth David.

But, Pamela is being far to modest  about this.  Bev, can you tell us 
more about Douglas, David, Manning,  Henderson, & Jarmain?  I know you 
have things to add there, and  modesty is keeping you quiet.

Best,
James

Denise Tart &  David Green wrote:
> Last night on TV I watched a tele movie about the  food writer Elizabeth 
> David. It would appear from subsequent research  that she knew LD. Can 
> anyone elaborate on this?
>   
> Norman Douglas featured also and appears to have been a fascinating  chap 
> and quite an influence on the young LD. Sounds worth a  read?
>  
> DG
>  
>  
> Denise  Tart & David Green
> 16 William Street, Marrickville NSW  2204
>  
> +61 2 9564 6165


 



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