From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 12 09:02:47 2007
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:02:47 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
Message-ID: <28735962.1197478968269.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Back from Egypt.  Well put, DG, although I question the assessment about EH, for the same reason LD is no longer trendy.  I like Papa.


BR

-----Original Message-----
>From: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2007 10:06 PM
>To: Durrel <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>Subject: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
>
>unless a writer is lucky enough to make into the eternal canon; the hall of fame where Homer, Tacitus, chaucer, shakespeare, Byron, Keats, Austin and Charles Bukowski reside, pallid figures in their gilt frames, writers have a tendency to 'have their moment'.
>
>Old Hem was the man. Now he is past and gone. He spoke for a certain sort of person who knew the 1914 - 1950 period. Durrell found his moment as the western intellectuals opened flower like after the carnage and shortages of great WW2. Durrell found his generation in the 60's. Justine went down like the new drugs and the new freedoms. Outriders were in. I was born in 1959 and I remember adults at dinner parties talking about Durrell and the Quartet. I still have my mother's 4 volume Faber set.
>
>Since the 1990s a new puritanism has flooded into the west. It's all about being worthy, picking up some cause or issue; green, the environment, being thin, drinking water all the time or making some carefully (or not) disguised statement about urban poverty or slum clearance or gender politics, save the whale; all that............
>
>..........so Durrell does not fit, does he. Hmmm Lawrence Durrell. what does he write about; sex, lesbianism, greek islands, obscure post colonial types, homesexuals, odd diplomats, more greek islands, coptic sects, weird vaguely aristoctatic characters, France - all the people and places puritans hate really. A self indulgent, alcoholic, womanizing, apolitical, sexist wanker who will certainly not be studied in this university funded by the "all the way with George Bush neo con Government of John Winston Howard (former prime minister of Terra Australis)
>
>Durrell should not make himself more relevant. the public should make itself more Durrell.
>
>David
>
>
>Denise Tart & David Green
>16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204
>
>+61 2 9564 6165
>0412 707 625
>dtart at bigpond.net.au


From slighcl at wfu.edu  Thu Dec 13 06:51:50 2007
From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:51:50 -0500
Subject: [ilds] =?windows-1252?q?L=92Alexandrie_de_Durrell?=
Message-ID: <47614706.3040501@wfu.edu>

More reporting from the field.

CLS

***

http://hebdo.ahram.org.eg/arab/ahram/2007/12/5/idee2.htm

*Griefs r?ciproques*
Pour f?ter le cinquantenaire de Justine, premier tome du Quatuor 
d?Alexandrie, le Centre culturel britannique a organis? avec la 
Bibliotheca une conf?rence intitul?e L?Alexandrie de Durrell, pass? et 
pr?sent. Sans toutefois r?ussir ? r?concilier le public ?gyptien avec 
l??crivain anglais.
*
? Alexandrie comme un microcosme de la civilisation ?*

Sp?cialiste de Durrell et d?Alexandrie, Michael Haag  revient sur le 
rapport complexe de l??crivain britannique avec la ville qui lui a 
inspir? son chef-d??uvre.

-- 
**********************
Charles L. Sligh
Department of English
Wake Forest University
slighcl at wfu.edu
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From eahunger at charter.net  Thu Dec 13 17:55:37 2007
From: eahunger at charter.net (Edward Hungerford)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:55:37 -0800
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1197576004.2310164.ilds@lists.uvic.ca>
References: <mailman.1.1197576004.2310164.ilds@lists.uvic.ca>
Message-ID: <e2325e20a96403cc79aa455086f64bb4@charter.net>

The message, in presumably the French language plus numerous question  
marks and superfluous punctuation and omissions of capital letters, may  
not have been intelligible to all readers of the list.  On my computer,  
with its Mac system  10  OS, the message turned out to be very nearly  
unreadable, or on the order of 70 % unreadable except to those who can  
guess intelligently.    Did anyone else on the List experience similar  
difficulties?  Ed Hungerford ...............

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-------------------------------
On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:00 PM, ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca wrote:

>    1. L?Alexandrie de Durrell (slighcl)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:51:50 -0500
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: [ilds] L?Alexandrie de Durrell
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Message-ID: <47614706.3040501 at wfu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> More reporting from the field.
>
> CLS
>
> ***
>
> http://hebdo.ahram.org.eg/arab/ahram/2007/12/5/idee2.htm
>
> *Griefs r?ciproques*
> Pour f?ter le cinquantenaire de Justine, premier tome du Quatuor
> d?Alexandrie, le Centre culturel britannique a organis? avec la
> Bibliotheca une conf?rence intitul?e L?Alexandrie de Durrell, pass? et
> pr?sent. Sans toutefois r?ussir ? r?concilier le public ?gyptien avec
> l??crivain anglais.
> *
> ? Alexandrie comme un microcosme de la civilisation ?*
>
> Sp?cialiste de Durrell et d?Alexandrie, Michael Haag  revient sur le
> rapport complexe de l??crivain britannique avec la ville qui lui a
> inspir? son chef-d??uvre.
>
> -- 
> **********************
> Charles L. Sligh
> Department of English
> Wake Forest University
> slighcl at wfu.edu
> **********************
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From marcpiel at interdesign.fr  Fri Dec 14 02:41:19 2007
From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:41:19 +0100
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <e2325e20a96403cc79aa455086f64bb4@charter.net>
References: <mailman.1.1197576004.2310164.ilds@lists.uvic.ca>
	<e2325e20a96403cc79aa455086f64bb4@charter.net>
Message-ID: <47625DCF.5060908@interdesign.fr>

Hello, on my Mac it comes out perfectly: I have 
made a .pdf of it for you.(ideas.pdf)
@+
Marc Piel

Edward Hungerford wrote:

> The message, in presumably the French language plus numerous question  
> marks and superfluous punctuation and omissions of capital letters, may  
> not have been intelligible to all readers of the list.  On my computer,  
> with its Mac system  10  OS, the message turned out to be very nearly  
> unreadable, or on the order of 70 % unreadable except to those who can  
> guess intelligently.    Did anyone else on the List experience similar  
> difficulties?  Ed Hungerford ...............
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> -------------------------------
> On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:00 PM, ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca wrote:
> 
> 
>>   1. L?Alexandrie de Durrell (slighcl)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:51:50 -0500
>>From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
>>Subject: [ilds] L?Alexandrie de Durrell
>>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>Message-ID: <47614706.3040501 at wfu.edu>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>>More reporting from the field.
>>
>>CLS
>>
>>***
>>
>>http://hebdo.ahram.org.eg/arab/ahram/2007/12/5/idee2.htm
>>
>>*Griefs r?ciproques*
>>Pour f?ter le cinquantenaire de Justine, premier tome du Quatuor
>>d?Alexandrie, le Centre culturel britannique a organis? avec la
>>Bibliotheca une conf?rence intitul?e L?Alexandrie de Durrell, pass? et
>>pr?sent. Sans toutefois r?ussir ? r?concilier le public ?gyptien avec
>>l??crivain anglais.
>>*
>>? Alexandrie comme un microcosme de la civilisation ?*
>>
>>Sp?cialiste de Durrell et d?Alexandrie, Michael Haag  revient sur le
>>rapport complexe de l??crivain britannique avec la ville qui lui a
>>inspir? son chef-d??uvre.
>>
>>-- 
>>**********************
>>Charles L. Sligh
>>Department of English
>>Wake Forest University
>>slighcl at wfu.edu
>>**********************
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From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 14 06:59:48 2007
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:59:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
Message-ID: <5101311.1197644389174.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

David:

Great writers are capable of saying all kinds of absurd things, so that puts EH and LD in the same boat.  Academics, on the other hand, are sane, rational, grammatically correct, and often boring.  They don't have the madness necessary to write great books.  Your example of Shelby Foote's deliberate solecism, however, is wrong.  His point is that prior to the US Civil War, the term "United States" took a plural verb, i.e., the states were separate entities, but after the war it took a singular, i.e., the nation was a unity -- or so it once was.  I think it's reverted to the plural.  Everyone should go to Egypt.


Bruce

-----Original Message-----
>From: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
>Sent: Dec 13, 2007 10:42 PM
>To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>Subject: Re: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
>
>Bruce,
>
>glad someone responded to my post. I like Ol' Hem too, but he is not exactly 
>flavour of the month with the fashionable literary set is he? all that 
>blokey stuff. "only Bullfighters live all the way up" - only Hem could say 
>that! I guess once you are famous you can say anything. Paris Hilton says 
>"I'm deep" and people ....well know what she is talking about
>
>So I am going to say "only Rugby players live true lives"
>
>Or "the American Civil War made us an is" - Shelby Foote
>
>Glad your back Bruce - what an exotic life you live.
>
>DG
>
>
>Denise Tart & David Green
>16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204
>
>+61 2 9564 6165
>0412 707 625
>dtart at bigpond.net.au
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
>
>
>> Back from Egypt.  Well put, DG, although I question the assessment about 
>> EH, for the same reason LD is no longer trendy.  I like Papa.


From slighcl at wfu.edu  Fri Dec 14 08:19:19 2007
From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:19 -0500
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <47625DCF.5060908@interdesign.fr>
References: <mailman.1.1197576004.2310164.ilds@lists.uvic.ca>	<e2325e20a96403cc79aa455086f64bb4@charter.net>
	<47625DCF.5060908@interdesign.fr>
Message-ID: <4762AD07.6000008@wfu.edu>

On 12/14/2007 5:41 AM, Marc Piel wrote:
> Hello, on my Mac it comes out perfectly: I have made a .pdf of it for 
> you.(ideas.pdf)
> @+
> Marc Piel 


Thanks, Marc!  You make lemonade out of lemons for us!

Charles


-- 
**********************
Charles L. Sligh
Department of English
Wake Forest University
slighcl at wfu.edu
**********************



From slighcl at wfu.edu  Fri Dec 14 08:20:06 2007
From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:20:06 -0500
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <e2325e20a96403cc79aa455086f64bb4@charter.net>
References: <mailman.1.1197576004.2310164.ilds@lists.uvic.ca>
	<e2325e20a96403cc79aa455086f64bb4@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4762AD36.8030709@wfu.edu>

On 12/13/2007 8:55 PM, Edward Hungerford wrote:
> The message [. . . .] may  
> not have been intelligible to all readers of the list.  
Dear Ed:

Sorry for the scrambling.  Oh, the difficulty of sending and reading 
email in different languages and codes.  Babel all again.

Marc has already given us one strategy.  (Thanks, Marc!)  Of course, the 
easiest solution may be right in front of our noses.   Try using the 
link to the URL provided in the email.
> >
> > http://hebdo.ahram.org.eg/arab/ahram/2007/12/5/idee2.htm
I will try to send in plain text in the future, but that may be 
difficult for foreign language postings with accents and/or non-Roman 
alphabets.  Including the URL link along with the excerpted text may 
still be the best compromise.

C&c.

-- 
**********************
Charles L. Sligh
Department of English
Wake Forest University
slighcl at wfu.edu
**********************



From louwhooligan at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 14 00:25:57 2007
From: louwhooligan at yahoo.com (Linda Johnson)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:25:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10
Message-ID: <356609.41691.qm@web35611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I couldn't read it.


----- Original Message ----
From: Edward Hungerford <eahunger at charter.net>
To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:55:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10

The message, in presumably the French language plus numerous question  
marks and superfluous punctuation and omissions of capital letters, may   
not have been intelligible to all readers of the list.  On my computer,   
with its Mac system  10  OS, the message turned out to be very nearly  
unreadable, or on the order of 70 % unreadable except to those who can   
guess intelligently.    Did anyone else on the List experience similar   
difficulties?  Ed Hungerford ...............

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-------------------------------
On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:00 PM, ilds-request at lists.uvic.ca wrote:

>    1. L?Alexandrie de Durrell (slighcl)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:51:50 -0500
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: [ilds] L?Alexandrie de Durrell
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Message-ID: <47614706.3040501 at wfu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> More reporting from the field.
>
> CLS
>
> ***
>
> http://hebdo.ahram.org.eg/arab/ahram/2007/12/5/idee2.htm
>
> *Griefs r?ciproques*
> Pour f?ter le cinquantenaire de Justine, premier tome du Quatuor
> d?Alexandrie, le Centre culturel britannique a organis? avec la
> Bibliotheca une conf?rence intitul?e L?Alexandrie de Durrell, pass? et
> pr?sent. Sans toutefois r?ussir ? r?concilier le public ?gyptien avec
> l??crivain anglais.
> *
> ? Alexandrie comme un microcosme de la civilisation ?*
>
> Sp?cialiste de Durrell et d?Alexandrie, Michael Haag  revient sur le
> rapport complexe de l??crivain britannique avec la ville qui lui a
> inspir? son chef-d??uvre.
>
> -- 
> **********************
> Charles L. Sligh
> Department of English
> Wake Forest University
> slighcl at wfu.edu
> **********************
>
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Thu Dec 13 22:42:16 2007
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:42:16 +1100
Subject: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
References: <28735962.1197478968269.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c83e1c$783f9b60$0201a8c0@MumandDad>

Bruce,

glad someone responded to my post. I like Ol' Hem too, but he is not exactly 
flavour of the month with the fashionable literary set is he? all that 
blokey stuff. "only Bullfighters live all the way up" - only Hem could say 
that! I guess once you are famous you can say anything. Paris Hilton says 
"I'm deep" and people ....well know what she is talking about

So I am going to say "only Rugby players live true lives"

Or "the American Civil War made us an is" - Shelby Foote

Glad your back Bruce - what an exotic life you live.

DG


Denise Tart & David Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times


> Back from Egypt.  Well put, DG, although I question the assessment about 
> EH, for the same reason LD is no longer trendy.  I like Papa.
>
>
> BR
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Denise Tart & David Green <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
>>Sent: Dec 8, 2007 10:06 PM
>>To: Durrel <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>>Subject: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
>>
>>unless a writer is lucky enough to make into the eternal canon; the hall 
>>of fame where Homer, Tacitus, chaucer, shakespeare, Byron, Keats, Austin 
>>and Charles Bukowski reside, pallid figures in their gilt frames, writers 
>>have a tendency to 'have their moment'.
>>
>>Old Hem was the man. Now he is past and gone. He spoke for a certain sort 
>>of person who knew the 1914 - 1950 period. Durrell found his moment as the 
>>western intellectuals opened flower like after the carnage and shortages 
>>of great WW2. Durrell found his generation in the 60's. Justine went down 
>>like the new drugs and the new freedoms. Outriders were in. I was born in 
>>1959 and I remember adults at dinner parties talking about Durrell and the 
>>Quartet. I still have my mother's 4 volume Faber set.
>>
>>Since the 1990s a new puritanism has flooded into the west. It's all about 
>>being worthy, picking up some cause or issue; green, the environment, 
>>being thin, drinking water all the time or making some carefully (or not) 
>>disguised statement about urban poverty or slum clearance or gender 
>>politics, save the whale; all that............
>>
>>..........so Durrell does not fit, does he. Hmmm Lawrence Durrell. what 
>>does he write about; sex, lesbianism, greek islands, obscure post colonial 
>>types, homesexuals, odd diplomats, more greek islands, coptic sects, weird 
>>vaguely aristoctatic characters, France - all the people and places 
>>puritans hate really. A self indulgent, alcoholic, womanizing, apolitical, 
>>sexist wanker who will certainly not be studied in this university funded 
>>by the "all the way with George Bush neo con Government of John Winston 
>>Howard (former prime minister of Terra Australis)
>>
>>Durrell should not make himself more relevant. the public should make 
>>itself more Durrell.
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>Denise Tart & David Green
>>16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204
>>
>>+61 2 9564 6165
>>0412 707 625
>>dtart at bigpond.net.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILDS mailing list
> ILDS at lists.uvic.ca
> https://lists.uvic.ca/mailman/listinfo/ilds
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From godshawl at email.uc.edu  Fri Dec 14 12:45:58 2007
From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:45:58 -0500
Subject: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
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	earthlink.net>
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From marcpiel at interdesign.fr  Fri Dec 14 12:54:38 2007
From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:54:38 +0100
Subject: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
In-Reply-To: <65.06.13559.18BE2674@gwout1>
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humm, humm...

william godshalk wrote:

>> Academics, on the other hand, are sane, rational, grammatically 
>> correct, and often boring. 
> 
> 
> writes Bruce. Would you were correct, Bruce, would that you were correct.
> 
> As Charlie has suggested, you should join us in one of our Carbondale, 
> IL, research adventures. At night the coyotes howl! And we are neither 
> sane, nor rational, nor correct in any way -- and far from boring.
> 
> WW
> ***************************************
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From odos.fanourios at gmail.com  Fri Dec 14 13:09:31 2007
From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:09:31 -0800
Subject: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
In-Reply-To: <5101311.1197644389174.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5101311.1197644389174.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4762F10B.4080908@gmail.com>

Hey Bruce,

I'm glad to hear you had a good trip.

> Academics, on the other hand, are sane, rational,
 > grammatically correct, and often boring.  They
 > don't have the madness necessary to write great
 > books.

Ummm, when's the last time you strolled down the hallways of a nearby 
institution?  Perhaps a larger proportion need institutionalization than 
in the population at large...  I've been looking through the Robin 
Skelton fonds here (a local professor/poet), and I think he'd have to 
qualify as having the necessary madness if any academic would (and he 
did correspond with Durrell).

But what of those who are neither academics nor great writers?  Hmmm. 
Does their madness or health figure in a different way, or does it 
figure in any way at all?  Personally, I suggest the designation 
"academic" is just an easy way for some to label a group so that they 
don't need to think about it too closely.

More genuinely, I must admit that I'm not always accepting of the 
madness-creativity nexus.  I think academics are very often writers, but 
we spend all of our days using our noodle, so it's tired when it comes 
time for the more creative stuff.  Also, for every Burgess you'll have a 
Bach, or for every Milton a Murdoch -- I don't think the madness element 
is necessary.

But, there is an extensive discussion of that in the latest book 
promoted by the Durrell School of Corfu, which had a seminar dedicated 
to the issue: _Creativity, Madness and Civilisation_ edited by Richard 
Pine.  I'm drawn to the possibility that artists can be mundane 
creatures as well, thinking about the number of signatures in a volume 
when they make revisions, etc...  And in that mundane mode, anthologies 
(often by academics) can play a large role in keeping authors like EH 
and LD in view -- EH wrote plenty of short stories, which makes it easy 
to include him.  LD did not.

Can you tell us more about Egypt?

Best,
James

ps: Bill, I've heard you howl, and I suspect Wild Bill displaces the 
Mild Bill of daylight hours...

From hungerist at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 14 14:50:35 2007
From: hungerist at hotmail.com (Alejandro Adams)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:50:35 -0800
Subject: [ilds] EH, LD, madness vs. academia
References: <mailman.3.1197662403.2461850.ilds@lists.uvic.ca>
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Nice point, Bruce.  Here is a passage from Lionel Trilling's diary.  (Stop 
me if you've read this before.)

"Saw a letter Hemingway wrote--a crazy letter, written when he was 
drunk--self-revealing, arrogant, scared, trivial, absurd: yet felt from 
reading it how right such a man is compared to the 'good minds' of my 
university life--how he will produce and mean something to the world...how 
his life which he could expose without dignity and which is anarchic and 
'childish' is a better life than anyone I know could live, and right for his 
job. And how far-far-far I am going from being a writer--how less and less I 
have the material and the mind and the will."


> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:59:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
> To: Durrell list <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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> David:
>
> Great writers are capable of saying all kinds of absurd things, so that 
> puts EH and LD in the same boat.  Academics, on the other hand, are sane, 
> rational, grammatically correct, and often boring.  They don't have the 
> madness necessary to write great books.  Your example of Shelby Foote's 
> deliberate solecism, however, is wrong.  His point is that prior to the US 
> Civil War, the term "United States" took a plural verb, i.e., the states 
> were separate entities, but after the war it took a singular, i.e., the 
> nation was a unity -- or so it once was.  I think it's reverted to the 
> plural.  Everyone should go to Egypt.
>
>
> Bruce
> 

From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 14 15:11:21 2007
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:11:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [ilds] EH, LD, madness vs. academia
Message-ID: <13908627.1197673881748.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Beautiful, Alejandro, couldn't be better illustrated -- and coming from Lionel Trilling no less, an academic giant of the 20th century.  Please provide a citation.  You see, I have academic tendencies too, which I've never cured myself of.


Bruce

-----Original Message-----
>From: Alejandro Adams <hungerist at hotmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2007 2:50 PM
>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>Subject: Re: [ilds] EH, LD, madness vs. academia
>
>Nice point, Bruce.  Here is a passage from Lionel Trilling's diary.  (Stop 
>me if you've read this before.)
>
>"Saw a letter Hemingway wrote--a crazy letter, written when he was 
>drunk--self-revealing, arrogant, scared, trivial, absurd: yet felt from 
>reading it how right such a man is compared to the 'good minds' of my 
>university life--how he will produce and mean something to the world...how 
>his life which he could expose without dignity and which is anarchic and 
>'childish' is a better life than anyone I know could live, and right for his 
>job. And how far-far-far I am going from being a writer--how less and less I 
>have the material and the mind and the will."
>
>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:59:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
>> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [ilds] Police, puritans and changing times
>> To: Durrell list <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>> Message-ID:
>> <5101311.1197644389174.JavaMail.root at elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> David:
>>
>> Great writers are capable of saying all kinds of absurd things, so that 
>> puts EH and LD in the same boat.  Academics, on the other hand, are sane, 
>> rational, grammatically correct, and often boring.  They don't have the 
>> madness necessary to write great books.  Your example of Shelby Foote's 
>> deliberate solecism, however, is wrong.  His point is that prior to the US 
>> Civil War, the term "United States" took a plural verb, i.e., the states 
>> were separate entities, but after the war it took a singular, i.e., the 
>> nation was a unity -- or so it once was.  I think it's reverted to the 
>> plural.  Everyone should go to Egypt.
>>
>>
>> Bruce


From odos.fanourios at gmail.com  Fri Dec 14 15:38:30 2007
From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:38:30 -0800
Subject: [ilds] EH, LD, madness vs. academia
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> You see, I have academic tendencies too, which
 > I've never cured myself of.

A well chosen Durrellian phrase, Bruce.  Scobie would be proud.  Is 
there an academic dolly varden to go with it?  Please indulge in a 
little descriptive madness, even if it's grammatically correct...

Ah, the academic affliction.  Is it contagious, and does it always have 
to be debilitating?  Also, I'm still not sure if I accept the suffering 
artist as a viable reading -- do artists derive art from their mad 
lives, or do mad lives arise from their art, or are these two variables 
that sometimes come together and sometimes do not, but are falsely 
construed as causally related rather than as correlates?

Albeit, the modernists seem to employ madness and eccentricities almost 
as a membership card, but I don't think I could say the same about 
Hardy, Forster, or even Beckett for that matter.

Cheers,
James

From godshawl at email.uc.edu  Fri Dec 14 15:38:50 2007
From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:38:50 -0500
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From odos.fanourios at gmail.com  Fri Dec 14 15:50:09 2007
From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:50:09 -0800
Subject: [ilds] EH, LD, madness vs. academia
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> Strictly speaking, shouldn't it read: *of which
 > I have never cured myself*?

There's that dolly varden falling out of the laundry...  Pure mad 
recklessness, I say.  Yet, as I look around at the pillars of academia, 
I must admit that I rarely see grammatical perfection -- madness must be 
afoot, or perhaps only feigned madness, more kind than kin.  Bruce?

--j

From bredwine1968 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 14 17:08:24 2007
From: bredwine1968 at earthlink.net (Bruce Redwine)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:08:24 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
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Strictly speaking, that's something of which I will not put.


Bruce

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>From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2007 3:38 PM
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>Subject: Re: [ilds] EH, LD, madness vs. academia
>
>At 06:11 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote:
>Beautiful, Alejandro, couldn'tbe better illustrated -- and coming from Lionel Trilling no less, anacademic giant of the 20th century.  Please provide acitation.  You see, I have academic tendencies too, which I've nevercured myself of.
>Strictly speaking, shouldn't it read: of which I have never curedmyself? 
>
>
>Bill 


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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:03:05 -0500
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Some additional reading matter on Alexandria renascent.  Perhaps this 
will hold us while we wait for our subscribing travelers to share their 
first-person accounts of Egypt 2007?

And ponder the following:

>     ?You don?t have to see the city the way Lawrence Durrell did,? Mr.
>     Khaled said, referring to the books? author. ?We?re really
>     interested in getting them to look at the city in different ways.?

Fair enough.  But was that not the whole point of seeing the city the 
way Lawrence Durrell did?

Charles

***

http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/travel/16nextstop.html?ref=travel

> December 16, 2007
NYTIMES
> Next Stop | Alexandria, Egypt
>
>
>   A City of Legend Embarks on a New Journey
>
> By KAREEM FAHIM 
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/kareem_fahim/index.html?inline=nyt-per>
>
> ON a cloudless morning in mid-September, it was not quiet around the 
> Bibliotheca Alexandrina, the modern disc-shaped library in Cleopatra?s 
> ancient hometown in Egypt 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/africa/egypt/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo>. 
> Outside, students flirted and joked on the edge of a reflecting pool. 
> Behind them, cars whizzed by on the Corniche, the spruced-up sea road 
> that hugs the Mediterranean.
>
> Inside, a tour guide, a fast-talking young woman wearing a bright 
> hijab, led a group of tourists into the library?s immense reading 
> room, stopping on a wooden terrace that looked down onto more 
> terraces. The sun threw spots of blue and green light onto the floors 
> through colorful glass as she pointed out the library?s art 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/art/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier> 
> galleries, theaters, rare manuscript collections and planetarium, as 
> well as its more than half a million books.
>
> But the thing that caught everyone?s attention was the Espresso Book 
> Machine in the main reading room. The giant photocopier-like machine 
> can print, on demand, virtually any book, complete with color covers 
> and glue bindings in minutes.
>
> It is a fitting symbol for Alexandria, a faded metropolis that is 
> rising again from the sea, one replicated landmark at a time.
>
> Situated on the Mediterranean along Egypt?s north coast, Alexandria is 
> a city of legend. This is where Euclid sired geometry, Aristarchus 
> deduced that the Earth revolved around the sun (about 18 centuries 
> before Copernicus) and, of course, the young Alexander the Great 
> founded the city as his capital in 331 B.C.
>
> The city flourished through the 19th century as the hub of Egypt?s 
> commerce, especially the cotton trade, drawing a cosmopolitan mix of 
> Greeks, Italians, French, Jews and Levantine Arabs, who brought their 
> languages, architecture 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/architecture/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier> 
> and food. But things had changed by the time of the Suez Crisis in 
> 1956, when Egypt privatized the Suez Canal, prompting military attacks 
> by Britain 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/europe/britain/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo>, 
> France 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/europe/france/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo> 
> and Israel 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/middle-east/israel/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo>. 
> In its aftermath, many foreigners left or were expelled from 
> Alexandria, and the city?s cultural grandeur began to crumble ? much 
> like the ancient part of the city that lies at the bottom of the sea.
>
> In recent years, however, efforts by preservationists and the 
> government to restore the city?s luster have started to bear fruit. 
> The first sign of Alexandria?s renewal was the Bibliotheca 
> Alexandrina, the glimmering vision in steel and glass that opened on 
> the Corniche in 2002.
>
> Built near the site of the original Library of Alexandria ? perhaps 
> the ancient world?s greatest, with an unrivaled collection that 
> included original manuscripts of Euripides 
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/e/euripides/index.html?inline=nyt-per>, 
> Aeschylus and Sophocles ? the Bibliotheca seeks to resurrect that lost 
> monument with shelf space for eight million books and a massive 
> granite wall inscribed with what officials say are characters from all 
> the world?s written languages.
>
> Another sign of the city?s resurgence is the sumptuous Four Seasons 
> Hotel Alexandria. Opened in July, it has 9 restaurants, a large 
> infinity pool and 118 plush, modern guest rooms, many facing the 
> Mediterranean.
>
> Like many additions in this storied city, the hotel evokes an icon 
> from the past. The Four Seasons was built on the site of the original 
> San Stefano Hotel, once Egypt?s reigning grande dame, which was 
> demolished in the late 1990?s.
>
> The hotel was booked all summer. At dusk one evening in September, 
> American businessmen and Arab tourists sipped wine and smoked 
> peach-flavored tobacco in Bleu, a hotel patio bar, with a view of the 
> Eastern Harbor and construction on the beach below.
>
> Outside the city, one of the two airports, Borg Al-Arab, is being 
> expanded to accommodate more passengers. There are now regular flights 
> from Germany 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/europe/germany/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo> 
> and Britain.
>
> And there are plans, though still not financed, to restore the city?s 
> Eastern Harbor with an underwater archaeology 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/archeology-and-anthropology/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier> 
> museum, a waterfront promenade and hotels, including one inspired by 
> the third-century B.C. Pharos lighthouse, whose ruins lie underwater.
>
> But even now, despite the big plans and new polish, the city still has 
> an unvarnished charm. Alexandria has never stopped being a destination 
> for Egyptians. They summer on its 25 miles of sandy beaches 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/beaches/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier>, 
> and picnic in the manicured Shallalat Gardens 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/gardens/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier>, 
> which contain remnants of the old city walls. And students, weaned on 
> a vibrant cafe culture, sip strong coffee and surf the Internet at 
> Caf? Trianon, an old French p?tisserie in the bustling Saad Zaghloul 
> Square.
>
> At night, Alexandrians take to the Corniche. Couples relax on the sea 
> wall, and families line up for ice cream at one of dozens of local 
> stands. At the eastern end of the Corniche, Fort Qaitbay feels like an 
> Egyptian Coney Island, with pony rides for the kids and shisha tobacco 
> pipes for their parents.
>
> A young generation of Alexandrians, weary of the nostalgia for the 
> city?s European past, is also renewing the city in smaller ways. On a 
> September evening, Mahmoud Khaled, an artist who helps run the 
> Alexandria Contemporary Arts Forum, an exhibition space, talked about 
> the city?s fledgling artists. ?It?s still a small scene,? Mr. Khaled 
> said, adding that the library had become a cultural magnet. ?We get 
> lots of students.?
>
> As he prepared for a new exhibit of Arab artists, he talked about the 
> popular perception of Alexandria among visitors, which, for many, 
> continues to be shaped by a set of postwar British novels called ?The 
> Alexandria Quartet.?
>
> ?You don?t have to see the city the way Lawrence Durrell did,? Mr. 
> Khaled said, referring to the books? author. ?We?re really interested 
> in getting them to look at the city in different ways.?
>
> A Mediterranean Hot Spot, Again
>
> GETTING THERE
>
> Borg Al-Arab Airport, under an hour?s drive from downtown Alexandria, 
> is served by a number of carriers, including British Airways, 
> Lufthansa and Emirates. Flights from America require a connection.
>
> From the airport, a taxi ride to downtown should cost 50 to 75 
> Egyptian pounds, about $9 to $14 at 5.7 pounds to the dollar. 
> Negotiate first.
>
> WHERE TO STAY
>
> The Four Seasons Hotel Alexandria at San Stefano (399 El Geish Road; 
> 20-3-581-8000; www.fourseasons.com <http://www.fourseasons.com>) is 
> the city?s most upscale hotel, with a luxurious spa 
> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/spas/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier>. 
> Rooms start at $320.
>
> Closer to the city?s sites, the Sofitel Cecil Hotel (16 Saad Zaghloul 
> Square; 20-3-487-7173; www.sofitel.com <http://www.sofitel.com>), 
> built in 1929, sits on the Corniche and offers spectacular views of 
> the Eastern Harbor. Rooms start at 120 euros, $180 at $1.50 to the euro.
>
> WHERE TO EAT
>
> Caf? Trianon (52 Saad Zaghloul Street; 20-3-483-5881). On the ground 
> floor of the restored Metropole hotel, order a cappuccino (8 Egyptian 
> pounds), the dessert called om ali (18 pounds) and enjoy great views 
> of city life; the cafe has free Wi-Fi.
>
> White and Blue Restaurant (at the end of the Corniche by Fort Qaitbay, 
> 20-3-480-2690), also known as the Greek Club, is in the Hellenic 
> Nautical Club. A full dinner including grilled sea bass, served the 
> Egyptian way (with tomato and basil) or Greek (with potatoes), is 120 
> pounds.
>
> WHAT TO DO
>
> The Bibliotheca Alexandrina (Shatby; 20-3-483-9999; www.bibalex.org 
> <http://www.bibalex.org>) has daily tours in English, Arabic, French, 
> Italian and Spanish. Admission to the library is 10 pounds, and 20 for 
> the museum galleries.
>
> Alexandria Contemporary Arts Forum (10 Hussein Hassab Street, Flat 6, 
> Azarita; 20-3-480-4145; www.acafspace.org <http://www.acafspace.org> ) 
> is a nonprofit exhibition space that showcases emerging Egyptian and 
> international artists.
>


-- 
**********************
Charles L. Sligh
Department of English
Wake Forest University
slighcl at wfu.edu
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From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:12:28 +0100
Subject: [ilds]
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Yes it certainly is different!!!!
The author forgets to say that sitting on the 
terraced roof of the Cecil is impossible because 
of the horrific smell of the thousands of 40 year 
old cars going up and down the corniche.
Marc

slighcl wrote:

> Some additional reading matter on Alexandria renascent.  Perhaps this 
> will hold us while we wait for our subscribing travelers to share their 
> first-person accounts of Egypt 2007?
> 
> And ponder the following:
> 
>>     ?You don?t have to see the city the way Lawrence Durrell did,? Mr.
>>     Khaled said, referring to the books? author. ?We?re really
>>     interested in getting them to look at the city in different ways.?
> 
> Fair enough.  But was that not the whole point of seeing the city the 
> way Lawrence Durrell did?
> 
> Charles
> 
> ***
> 
> http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/travel/16nextstop.html?ref=travel
> 
>> December 16, 2007
> 
> NYTIMES
> 
>> Next Stop | Alexandria, Egypt
>>
>>
>>   A City of Legend Embarks on a New Journey
>>
>> By KAREEM FAHIM 
>> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/kareem_fahim/index.html?inline=nyt-per>
>>
>> ON a cloudless morning in mid-September, it was not quiet around the 
>> Bibliotheca Alexandrina, the modern disc-shaped library in Cleopatra?s 
>> ancient hometown in Egypt 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/africa/egypt/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo>. 
>> Outside, students flirted and joked on the edge of a reflecting pool. 
>> Behind them, cars whizzed by on the Corniche, the spruced-up sea road 
>> that hugs the Mediterranean.
>>
>> Inside, a tour guide, a fast-talking young woman wearing a bright 
>> hijab, led a group of tourists into the library?s immense reading 
>> room, stopping on a wooden terrace that looked down onto more 
>> terraces. The sun threw spots of blue and green light onto the floors 
>> through colorful glass as she pointed out the library?s art 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/art/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier> 
>> galleries, theaters, rare manuscript collections and planetarium, as 
>> well as its more than half a million books.
>>
>> But the thing that caught everyone?s attention was the Espresso Book 
>> Machine in the main reading room. The giant photocopier-like machine 
>> can print, on demand, virtually any book, complete with color covers 
>> and glue bindings in minutes.
>>
>> It is a fitting symbol for Alexandria, a faded metropolis that is 
>> rising again from the sea, one replicated landmark at a time.
>>
>> Situated on the Mediterranean along Egypt?s north coast, Alexandria is 
>> a city of legend. This is where Euclid sired geometry, Aristarchus 
>> deduced that the Earth revolved around the sun (about 18 centuries 
>> before Copernicus) and, of course, the young Alexander the Great 
>> founded the city as his capital in 331 B.C.
>>
>> The city flourished through the 19th century as the hub of Egypt?s 
>> commerce, especially the cotton trade, drawing a cosmopolitan mix of 
>> Greeks, Italians, French, Jews and Levantine Arabs, who brought their 
>> languages, architecture 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/architecture/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier> 
>> and food. But things had changed by the time of the Suez Crisis in 
>> 1956, when Egypt privatized the Suez Canal, prompting military attacks 
>> by Britain 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/europe/britain/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo>, 
>> France 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/europe/france/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo> 
>> and Israel 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/middle-east/israel/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo>. 
>> In its aftermath, many foreigners left or were expelled from 
>> Alexandria, and the city?s cultural grandeur began to crumble ? much 
>> like the ancient part of the city that lies at the bottom of the sea.
>>
>> In recent years, however, efforts by preservationists and the 
>> government to restore the city?s luster have started to bear fruit. 
>> The first sign of Alexandria?s renewal was the Bibliotheca 
>> Alexandrina, the glimmering vision in steel and glass that opened on 
>> the Corniche in 2002.
>>
>> Built near the site of the original Library of Alexandria ? perhaps 
>> the ancient world?s greatest, with an unrivaled collection that 
>> included original manuscripts of Euripides 
>> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/e/euripides/index.html?inline=nyt-per>, 
>> Aeschylus and Sophocles ? the Bibliotheca seeks to resurrect that lost 
>> monument with shelf space for eight million books and a massive 
>> granite wall inscribed with what officials say are characters from all 
>> the world?s written languages.
>>
>> Another sign of the city?s resurgence is the sumptuous Four Seasons 
>> Hotel Alexandria. Opened in July, it has 9 restaurants, a large 
>> infinity pool and 118 plush, modern guest rooms, many facing the 
>> Mediterranean.
>>
>> Like many additions in this storied city, the hotel evokes an icon 
>> from the past. The Four Seasons was built on the site of the original 
>> San Stefano Hotel, once Egypt?s reigning grande dame, which was 
>> demolished in the late 1990?s.
>>
>> The hotel was booked all summer. At dusk one evening in September, 
>> American businessmen and Arab tourists sipped wine and smoked 
>> peach-flavored tobacco in Bleu, a hotel patio bar, with a view of the 
>> Eastern Harbor and construction on the beach below.
>>
>> Outside the city, one of the two airports, Borg Al-Arab, is being 
>> expanded to accommodate more passengers. There are now regular flights 
>> from Germany 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/europe/germany/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo> 
>> and Britain.
>>
>> And there are plans, though still not financed, to restore the city?s 
>> Eastern Harbor with an underwater archaeology 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/archeology-and-anthropology/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier> 
>> museum, a waterfront promenade and hotels, including one inspired by 
>> the third-century B.C. Pharos lighthouse, whose ruins lie underwater.
>>
>> But even now, despite the big plans and new polish, the city still has 
>> an unvarnished charm. Alexandria has never stopped being a destination 
>> for Egyptians. They summer on its 25 miles of sandy beaches 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/beaches/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier>, 
>> and picnic in the manicured Shallalat Gardens 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/gardens/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier>, 
>> which contain remnants of the old city walls. And students, weaned on 
>> a vibrant cafe culture, sip strong coffee and surf the Internet at 
>> Caf? Trianon, an old French p?tisserie in the bustling Saad Zaghloul 
>> Square.
>>
>> At night, Alexandrians take to the Corniche. Couples relax on the sea 
>> wall, and families line up for ice cream at one of dozens of local 
>> stands. At the eastern end of the Corniche, Fort Qaitbay feels like an 
>> Egyptian Coney Island, with pony rides for the kids and shisha tobacco 
>> pipes for their parents.
>>
>> A young generation of Alexandrians, weary of the nostalgia for the 
>> city?s European past, is also renewing the city in smaller ways. On a 
>> September evening, Mahmoud Khaled, an artist who helps run the 
>> Alexandria Contemporary Arts Forum, an exhibition space, talked about 
>> the city?s fledgling artists. ?It?s still a small scene,? Mr. Khaled 
>> said, adding that the library had become a cultural magnet. ?We get 
>> lots of students.?
>>
>> As he prepared for a new exhibit of Arab artists, he talked about the 
>> popular perception of Alexandria among visitors, which, for many, 
>> continues to be shaped by a set of postwar British novels called ?The 
>> Alexandria Quartet.?
>>
>> ?You don?t have to see the city the way Lawrence Durrell did,? Mr. 
>> Khaled said, referring to the books? author. ?We?re really interested 
>> in getting them to look at the city in different ways.?
>>
>> A Mediterranean Hot Spot, Again
>>
>> GETTING THERE
>>
>> Borg Al-Arab Airport, under an hour?s drive from downtown Alexandria, 
>> is served by a number of carriers, including British Airways, 
>> Lufthansa and Emirates. Flights from America require a connection.
>>
>> From the airport, a taxi ride to downtown should cost 50 to 75 
>> Egyptian pounds, about $9 to $14 at 5.7 pounds to the dollar. 
>> Negotiate first.
>>
>> WHERE TO STAY
>>
>> The Four Seasons Hotel Alexandria at San Stefano (399 El Geish Road; 
>> 20-3-581-8000; www.fourseasons.com <http://www.fourseasons.com>) is 
>> the city?s most upscale hotel, with a luxurious spa 
>> <http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/spas/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier>. 
>> Rooms start at $320.
>>
>> Closer to the city?s sites, the Sofitel Cecil Hotel (16 Saad Zaghloul 
>> Square; 20-3-487-7173; www.sofitel.com <http://www.sofitel.com>), 
>> built in 1929, sits on the Corniche and offers spectacular views of 
>> the Eastern Harbor. Rooms start at 120 euros, $180 at $1.50 to the euro.
>>
>> WHERE TO EAT
>>
>> Caf? Trianon (52 Saad Zaghloul Street; 20-3-483-5881). On the ground 
>> floor of the restored Metropole hotel, order a cappuccino (8 Egyptian 
>> pounds), the dessert called om ali (18 pounds) and enjoy great views 
>> of city life; the cafe has free Wi-Fi.
>>
>> White and Blue Restaurant (at the end of the Corniche by Fort Qaitbay, 
>> 20-3-480-2690), also known as the Greek Club, is in the Hellenic 
>> Nautical Club. A full dinner including grilled sea bass, served the 
>> Egyptian way (with tomato and basil) or Greek (with potatoes), is 120 
>> pounds.
>>
>> WHAT TO DO
>>
>> The Bibliotheca Alexandrina (Shatby; 20-3-483-9999; www.bibalex.org 
>> <http://www.bibalex.org>) has daily tours in English, Arabic, French, 
>> Italian and Spanish. Admission to the library is 10 pounds, and 20 for 
>> the museum galleries.
>>
>> Alexandria Contemporary Arts Forum (10 Hussein Hassab Street, Flat 6, 
>> Azarita; 20-3-480-4145; www.acafspace.org <http://www.acafspace.org> ) 
>> is a nonprofit exhibition space that showcases emerging Egyptian and 
>> international artists.
>>
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 15 20:50:50 2007
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:50:50 +1100
Subject: [ilds] creative madness
Message-ID: <001e01c83f9f$3bf91a30$0201a8c0@MumandDad>

Albeit, the modernists seem to employ madness and eccentricities almost 
as a membership card, but I don't think I could say the same about 
Hardy, Forster, or even Beckett for that matter. - Charles

perhaps the artistic temperament, so called, is an indulgence used to cover appalling behaviour?

Hummm....... we know little of Will Shakespeare, he was too busy writing. 38 plays and and 154 sonnets in twenty years...........not much time for creative madness perhaps.

Durrell's creative madness appears to have bloomed later in life when a) he had money b) Claude had died and c) heavy drinking was taking it's toll.

some writers are in fact deeply boring workaholics who inhabit their own worlds. they just tap away and the keyboard and sell books.

the writer as flambouyant eccentric is, however, much more fun. Here's to Brendan Behan, Dylan Thomas, Ol Hem, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Charles Bukowski, Lord Byron, Henry Lawson, Francois Villons, Rabelaise and Lawrence Durrell

DG


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From slighcl at wfu.edu  Sun Dec 16 05:50:18 2007
From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:50:18 -0500
Subject: [ilds] creative madness
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On 12/15/2007 11:50 PM, Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
> Albeit, the modernists seem to employ madness and eccentricities almost
> as a membership card, but I don't think I could say the same about
> Hardy, Forster, or even Beckett for that matter. - Charles
Actually, David, James Gifford wrote that.

Exit Charles

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