From james.d.gifford at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 08:58:08 2007 From: james.d.gifford at gmail.com (James Gifford) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:58:08 -0700 Subject: [ilds] Locating a Lawrence Durrell Quotation In-Reply-To: <69a6af600710020554k7ee31d52ue1c8bb5e0b26d03d@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a6af600710020554k7ee31d52ue1c8bb5e0b26d03d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47026A90.1040906@gmail.com> Dear Selina Lai, I'm not certain off the top of my head, but I would immediately suspect Durrell's /Balthazar/. I'll take a look and will forward your query to the Durrell Society's listserv -- hopefully we'll have an answer for you! (Does anyone on the listserv have an answer for Selina?? Charles?) Best, James Selina Lai wrote: > Dear Professor Gifford, > > I am course instructor of American Studies at the University of Hong > Kong. I am writing because I am searching for the biblio source of a > quote by Lawrence Durrell: "the sense of truth no matter how > subjective is necessary for the experience of beauty." I came across > your webpage and got to know that you specialize in the author's work > /./ I wonder if there is any chance you could help as I have spent > endless hours on the search. > > Many thanks, I look forward to hearing from you. > > Best regards, > Selina Lai > > > -- > "Live as you were to die tomorrow, Learn as you were to live forever." > Mahatma Gandhi From slighcl at wfu.edu Tue Oct 2 10:02:39 2007 From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:02:39 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Locating a Lawrence Durrell Quotation In-Reply-To: <47026A90.1040906@gmail.com> References: <69a6af600710020554k7ee31d52ue1c8bb5e0b26d03d@mail.gmail.com> <47026A90.1040906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <470279AF.7090002@wfu.edu> On 10/2/2007 11:58 AM, James Gifford wrote: > (Does anyone on the listserv have an answer for Selina?? Charles?) > > Selina Lai wrote: >> I am searching for the biblio source of a >> quote by Lawrence Durrell: "the sense of truth no matter how >> subjective is necessary for the experience of beauty." Sorry, James. This one throws me. Perhaps this is because for me the quote does not register with either the paradoxical ("Art like life is an open secret") or the satoric qualities (as in /satori/) that I have come to appreciate in Durrellian utterances. I will happily watch for the revelation to come! Charles -- ********************** Charles L. Sligh Department of English Wake Forest University slighcl at wfu.edu ********************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20071002/f64cc65c/attachment.html From richardpin at eircom.net Tue Oct 2 11:29:55 2007 From: richardpin at eircom.net (richardpin at eircom.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:29:55 +0100 Subject: [ilds] Locating a Lawrence Durrell Quotation Message-ID: <200710021836.l92IaZXX2908170@cascara.comp.uvic.ca> I suspect that this quotation is not directly from LD ds at lists.uvic.ca wrote: < < This is a multi-part message in MIME format. < --===============1851584074== < Content-Type: multipart/alternative; < boundary="------------090509090100020002070702" < < This is a multi-part message in MIME format. < --------------090509090100020002070702 < Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed < Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < < On 10/2/2007 11:58 AM, James Gifford wrote: < < > (Does anyone on the listserv have an answer for Selina?? Charles?) < > < < > Selina Lai wrote: < >> I am searching for the biblio source of a < >> quote by Lawrence Durrell: "the sense of truth no matter how < >> subjective is necessary for the experience of beauty." < < Sorry, James. This one throws me. Perhaps this is because for me the < quote does not register with either the paradoxical ("Art like life is < an open secret") or the satoric qualities (as in /satori/) that I have < come to appreciate in Durrellian utterances. < < I will happily watch for the revelation to come! < < Charles < < -- < ********************** < Charles L. Sligh < Department of English < Wake Forest University < slighcl at wfu.edu < ********************** < < < --------------090509090100020002070702 < Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 < Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < < < < < < < < On 10/2/2007 11:58 AM, James Gifford wrote:
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It's out of print, and I don't want to take out a new mortgage to buy one. Thanks for any information. Philip Walsh Ottawa, Canada From slighcl at wfu.edu Tue Oct 2 12:53:33 2007 From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:53:33 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Locating a Lawrence Durrell Quotation In-Reply-To: <200710021836.l92IaZXX2908170@cascara.comp.uvic.ca> References: <200710021836.l92IaZXX2908170@cascara.comp.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <4702A1BD.2080701@wfu.edu> > > Selina Lai wrote: > > < >> I am searching for the biblio source of a > < >> quote by Lawrence Durrell: "the sense of truth no matter how > < >> subjective is necessary for the experience of beauty." > On 10/2/2007 2:29 PM, richardpin at eircom.net wrote: > I suspect that this quotation is not directly from LD I agree with your skepticism, Richard. I really wonder about the provenance. Where for example, did Selina Lai originally discover this statement? I note here that the attributed quote makes appearances on a number of blogs, mySpace pages, &c. Does anyone have a notion of possible point of origin from which the quote was likely copied and pasted? Is it authentic Durrell? Or a "ghost"? Again, I will be happy to learn the truth, whatever the case. But I would ask, What really is worth recalling about this statement /as a statement made by Lawrence Durrell/? Or, phrased differently: What makes this utterance sound Durrellian, if it does? Another thought: Perhaps within its original context the sentence carried more resonance. Charles -- ********************** Charles L. Sligh Department of English Wake Forest University slighcl at wfu.edu ********************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20071002/0acdd9eb/attachment.html From slighcl at wfu.edu Tue Oct 2 13:10:35 2007 From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:10:35 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Locating a Lawrence Durrell Quotation In-Reply-To: <4702A1BD.2080701@wfu.edu> References: <200710021836.l92IaZXX2908170@cascara.comp.uvic.ca> <4702A1BD.2080701@wfu.edu> Message-ID: <4702A5BB.1090106@wfu.edu> On 10/2/2007 3:53 PM, slighcl wrote: >> Again, I will be happy to learn the truth, whatever the case. But I >> would ask, What really is worth recalling about this statement /as a >> statement made by Lawrence Durrell/? Or, phrased differently: What >> makes this utterance sound Durrellian, if it does? >> >> >> >> >> Selina Lai wrote: >> >> < >> I am searching for the biblio source of a >> < >> quote by Lawrence Durrell: "the sense of truth no matter how >> < >> subjective is necessary for the experience of beauty." >> >> > On 10/2/2007 2:29 PM, richardpin at eircom.net wrote: >> I suspect that this quotation is not directly from LD > > Failing Truth, I will cite some words coming to us from "the classical head and romantic heart of Ludwig Pursewarden": "I think it better for us to steer clear of the big oblong words like Beauty and Truth and so on. Do you mind? We are all so silly and feeble-witted when it comes to living, but giants when it comes to pronouncing on the universe." --/ Balthazar /(London: Faber, 1958) 239. But perhaps the other quote is Durrell penning a Darley-ism. CLS -- ********************** Charles L. Sligh Department of English Wake Forest University slighcl at wfu.edu ********************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20071002/3438238b/attachment.html From durrells at otenet.gr Tue Oct 2 07:19:27 2007 From: durrells at otenet.gr (Durrell School of Corfu) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:19:27 +0300 Subject: [ilds] Fw: Lawrence Durrell Quote Message-ID: <00c501c804ff$3da34160$0100000a@DSC01> ----- Original Message ----- From: Selina Lai To: durrells at otenet.gr Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: Lawrence Durrell Quote Hello, I am course instructor of American Studies at the University of Hong Kong. I am writing because I am searching for the biblio source of a quote by Lawrence Durrell: "the sense of truth no matter how subjective is necessary for the experience of beauty." I wonder if there is any chance you could help as I have spent endless hours on the search in vain. Many thanks, I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Selina Lai -- "Live as you were to die tomorrow, Learn as you were to live forever." Mahatma Gandhi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20071002/aabeb0d4/attachment.html From dtart at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 3 23:45:13 2007 From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:45:13 +1000 Subject: [ilds] Wowsers, wine and LD Message-ID: <000e01c80652$1e5d1200$9694bc7c@MumandDad> have been looking up some details on the infamous six o'clock swill that became a unique feature of Australian drinking culture during and after World War One. The swill had its origins in the temperance movement's efforts to reduce drinking hours in Australian hotels, pubs and inns. These people were known as Wowsers, an acronym made from the words We Only Want Social Evils Remedied. In fact they were a bunch of middle class protestant kill joy do- gooders who wanted alcohol and many other 'social evils' banned entirely. Unlike in the United States which got prohibition up for a while, the Wowsers failed to get booze banned as the upper classes in Australia, thirsty souls themselves, did not support it. However, they did get legislation passed to close pubs at six o'clock in the false belief that this would reduce drunkeness Before World War One, Australian hotels open until 11.30 p.m. Temperance organisations had campaigned enthusiastically for reduced trading hours. The was enabled them to make a patriotic issue of early closing when in 1915 king George V banned alcoholic drinks from the royal household for the duration of the war and British hotels were closed in the afternoon to prevent drunkenness amongst munitions workers. However, the war ended in 1918 and the early closing remained. For many years after the Great War, the six o'clock swill in Australian hotels was an antipodean phenomenon that disbelieving tourist talked about, wrote about and even filmed to show skeptics back home: "the average Englishman, accustomed to his friendly and civilized inns and pubs, possesses an almost pathological interest in the riotous wildness of Australian drinking" - George Johnston, 1953 "It is a most interesting sight" - J. Lyngham Bingham, US Olympic Games Committee, 1956 "all around the bar a heaving mass of men elbowing, pushing, trampling each other's feet, and shouting orders. Reaching over shoulders, waving pound notes, dropping irretrievable coins. The one time when even the most pugnacious of Australians had no time to pick a quarrel, intent only on attracting the attention of those floating goddesses, the pink bosomed pneumatic barmaids..." a.. Jack Lindsay, circa 1920s the result was the consumption of medically impossible amounts of beer between knock off time at the factories, wharves and warehouses at 3.30 - 4p.m and closing time at 6p.m after which time men staggered out reeling, vomiting, fighting and collapsing in the streets; many of them in no fit state to go home and embrace domestic bliss as envisaged by the Wowsers. Tasmania changed to 10p.m. Closing in 1937. New South Wales in 1955, Victoria in 1966 and South Australia in 1967. The efforts of the Wowsers were a terrible failure and it is a blight on our nations history that such an uncivilized restriction lasted so long. Again, the ruling classes drank in their private homes and clubs and so did not care that much until Australia's international reputation began to be compromised especially after the 1956 Olympic Games. Australian's drink almost as much booze now as they did 1n 1920, but it is pretty much available 24/7 and, guess what, there is far less drunkenness. The French model as triumphed as the Wowsers have retreated to remote areas of the Hills District to drink orange juice and sing contemporary hymns to their/our saviour. I wish them well. I go to mass occasionally and the local ale houses far more frequently. Australian wine is now a huge seller in the UK and the USA and there are so many vineyards and olive groves around the place one often feels a Mediterranean moment coming on. LD would have loved it; that along with the cerulean skies, clean blue surf and foam born bikini clad goddesses clutching copies of Justine.... Denise Tart & David Green 16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204 +61 2 9564 6165 0412 707 625 dtart at bigpond.net.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20071004/4516eae2/attachment.html From slighcl at wfu.edu Fri Oct 5 06:08:25 2007 From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:08:25 -0400 Subject: [ilds] Dibdin and Durrell Message-ID: <47063749.2090003@wfu.edu> I believe that previous reviewers have connected the styles and names of Dibdin and Durrell. Best! Charles *** October 5, 2007 Wall Street Journal Bookmarks October 5, 2007; Page W5 END GAMES By Michael Dibdin (Pantheon, 335 pages, $23.95) "End Games" features the capable and circumspect Italian police commissioner Aurelio Zen, whom we have come to know over a whole series of novels. Michael Dibdin's text, as usual, evokes not so much the terse action scenes of hardboiled masters as the word-drunk prose of such language-besotted authors as Anthony Burgess, Vladimir Nabokov and *Lawrence Durrell*. This installment finds the peripatetic Zen (too expert and honest to stay long in any one city, it seems) posted to remote Calabria, a southern region at the toe of Italy's "boot," where the natives are secretive and the weather explosive. A visiting American has been killed in a grotesque ritual -- but then it seems that he was not American after all, but Calabrian. As Zen moves in ways both straightforward and roundabout to capture a killer, he discovers a variety of distinctive characters entwined in the dead man's fate: a dot-com gaming entrepreneur, his Vietnamese man- Friday fixer, a sybaritic Italian film director, a beautiful chameleon of a female police-operative. "End Games" brims with clever reversals, elegant imagery, elaborate word play, violent shocks, refined and ribald jokes, verbal mimicry, and memorable set pieces. The atmospherics alone make the novel something different from the ordinary detective story and serve, for gullible Americans, as a corrective to the burnished image of Italy that shines out from the pages of travel magazines and silly novels. In one scene, for instance, a character arrives at a fast-food caf? and looks about him: "There were a dozen students there, hanging out rather than actually eating, their voices struggling to be heard above a barrage of rap music sweetened by Italian vowels. The decor was upscale public lavatory, only with bleached-out halogen lighting, mirrors just about everywhere except the floor, and clunky plastic tables and chairs in primary colours like a play-set for giant toddlers. That was okay. Tom had already figured out that there were few things to touch Italian taste at its best and none to equal it at its worst." Alas, "End Games" is aptly titled, for Michael Dibdin died in March, in Seattle, at the age of 60. He was a stellar example of the sort of formidable talent who may always take shelter within the accommodating genre of crime fiction. The next time you hear a snob speak condescendingly of the detective story, tell them to go take a hike -- or to read a Dibdin novel. --Tom Nolan URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119154135472149586.html -- ********************** Charles L. Sligh Department of English Wake Forest University slighcl at wfu.edu ********************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.uvic.ca/pipermail/ilds/attachments/20071005/69e93356/attachment.html