From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Tue Aug 14 13:49:59 2007
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:49:59 +1000
Subject: [ilds] whatever happened to the lawrence durrell list?
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My dears, where are you? has there been a nuclear holocaust in the northern hemisphere or is it summer holidays?

I feel so terribly alone.

DG

Wet and cold in Sydney

Denise Tart & David Green
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From marcpiel at interdesign.fr  Tue Aug 14 14:34:21 2007
From: marcpiel at interdesign.fr (Marc Piel)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:34:21 +0200
Subject: [ilds] whatever happened to the lawrence durrell list?
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Please don't use that monstrous word out of context!
Wet and cold in Paris.
Marc

Denise Tart & David Green wrote:

> My dears, where are you? has there been a nuclear holocaust in the 
> northern hemisphere or is it summer holidays?
>  
> I feel so terribly alone.
>  
> DG
>  
> Wet and cold in Sydney
>  
> Denise Tart & David Green
> 16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204
>  
> +61 2 9564 6165
> 0412 707 625
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From albigensian at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 14 17:53:50 2007
From: albigensian at hotmail.com (Pamela Francis)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:53:50 -0500
Subject: [ilds] whatever happened to the lawrence durrell list?
In-Reply-To: <46C21FDD.5030104@interdesign.fr>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F221F441E43AFB6663F5EE1B0DE0@phx.gbl>


COLD? Where is that??? I'm leaving right now...it was 103 today, REAL temp, 
not heat index! But as it's rained all summer, this is really the first of 
the famous Houston Heat we've seen this summer. Not that I would know, as 
I've been inside either working on the Travelers in the Middle East Archive, 
the ILDS Herald, or yes, my comprehensive exams. My freckles have faded, i'm 
so white and unsunned! Well, I can only assume the hiatus in Durrellian 
commentary is due to the fact that Charles is on a road trip with Bill (god 
help the roads...), surveying Durrell collections. Jamie, with any luck, is 
getting to spend a few days with Lindsay (I live away from my husband too, 
but we've been married 15 years--being apart is not nearly so fun when 
you're newly hitched!). Anyway, I hope all are well.

(And should I make this all about ME, by saying that since I'm not 
antagonizing Michael and Bruce anymore, they have nothing to say? Somehow, 
knowing Michael, I find that unlikely.  But it does give me a much needed 
boost of self-importance...)

>From: Marc Piel <marcpiel at interdesign.fr>
>Reply-To: marcpiel at interdesign.fr, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>Subject: Re: [ilds] whatever happened to the lawrence durrell list?
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:34:21 +0200
>
>Please don't use that monstrous word out of context!
>Wet and cold in Paris.
>Marc
>
>Denise Tart & David Green wrote:
>
> > My dears, where are you? has there been a nuclear holocaust in the
> > northern hemisphere or is it summer holidays?
> >
> > I feel so terribly alone.
> >
> > DG
> >
> > Wet and cold in Sydney
> >
> > Denise Tart & David Green
> > 16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204
> >
> > +61 2 9564 6165
> > 0412 707 625
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From albigensian at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 15 09:39:53 2007
From: albigensian at hotmail.com (Pamela Francis)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:39:53 -0500
Subject: [ilds] CFP for Louisville
Message-ID: <BAY108-F3626205E940333265811E7B0DE0@phx.gbl>

Greetings, Durrellians. Please find attached the CFP for the ILDS panel to 
be held at the 20th century conference in Louisville in February. I invite 
anyone with an interest in LD's poetry and/or its relation to LD's novels to 
submit an abstract. Hope to see you there! Pamela Francis

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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Thu Aug 16 00:18:39 2007
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:18:39 +1000
Subject: [ilds] CFP for Louisville
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Pamela,

There are times when I wished I lived in North America. Would love to be 
there - at the conference that is. Perhaps I will write something. I 
particularly like "This Unimportant Morning". It comes to me as a 
distillation of Durrell's love for Mediterranean Islands and was written, it 
appears, either in Egypt or when on Rhodes just after the war. It is one of 
my favourite Poems in the cosmos.

To me Durrell can be painter, poet and novelist at the same time. Coule we 
say;

he writes as a painter. He thinks as a poet - or have I had one chardonnay 
too many?

quelle maleur!


Denise Tart & David Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
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To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:39 AM
Subject: [ilds] CFP for Louisville


> Greetings, Durrellians. Please find attached the CFP for the ILDS panel to
> be held at the 20th century conference in Louisville in February. I invite
> anyone with an interest in LD's poetry and/or its relation to LD's novels 
> to
> submit an abstract. Hope to see you there! Pamela Francis
>
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From sumantranag at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 00:09:42 2007
From: sumantranag at gmail.com (Sumantra Nag)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:39:42 +0530
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 9
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Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:49:59 +1000
> From: "Denise Tart & David Green" <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [ilds] whatever happened to the lawrence durrell list?

What has happened to the reading of Justine? I do appreciate the widening of 
discussion on Lawrence Durrell, and I'm sure many others also do, but is the 
close reading and discussion of the text of Justine taking place in some 
other sub-forum?! I always have that fear when I find the textual reading 
being supended! It would be nice to resume it, if it has only been lost here 
to other topics of discussion.

Sumantra 


From godshawl at email.uc.edu  Thu Aug 16 09:54:33 2007
From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:54:33 -0400
Subject: [ilds] durrell list et al.
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Thu Aug 16 13:47:41 2007
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:47:41 +1000
Subject: [ilds] terrorism studies
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William,

I posted this a while back but no one except Charles picked up the ball and ran with it. I am very interested in Durrell's commentary on the nature of terrorism and ask the list to consider this

Take us back to Durrell's book, David.  Where would you have us start?

Richard Pine, I think, said that Durrell was very wise. Indeed. The following extract from Bitter Lemons on the nature of terrorism should, perhaps, be compulsory reading for American, British and Australian security organisations - CIA, MI5 or 6, ASIO in our case.

"one needs about a month to catch the particular flavour of terrorism which is made up of quite intangible fears - feet running down a road at midnight, a silent man in a white shirt standing at a street corner holding a bicycle too small for him, a parked car with no lights, a factory door ajar, the flick of a torch in a field. terrorism infects the normal transactions of life. The horror of deliberate murder, or ambush or grenade, is at least purging - the pity and the terror are in them, and the conciseness of actions which can be met. But the evil genius of terrorism is suspicion- the man who stops and asks for a light, a cart with a broken axle signalling for help, a forrester standing alone among trees, three youths walking back to a village after sundown, a sheperd shouting something indistinctly heard by moonlight, the sudden pealing of a doorbell in the night. The slender chain of trust upon which all human relations are based is broken - and this the terrorist knows and sharpens his claws precisely here: for is primary object is not battle. It is to bring upon the community in general a reprisal for his wrongs, in the hope that the fury and resentment roused by punishment meted out to the innocent will gradually swell the ranks of those from whom he will draw further recruits."

To use an Australian expression "How good is this?!"

when we read the measured examples of Durrell's own experience, we can imagine, quite easliy, the American Grunt in Bagdad trying, probably not very well, to deal with this stuff and if it gets too tricky, well there is always huge amounts of firepower.

we have soldiers in East Timor coping with the same stuff and they are, by all accounts very professional, and yet, some months ago several notorious local thugs walked out of gaol because 'everything seemed normal'.

If we consider the precison of Durrell's images - ones I feel he observed or heard - how luck were the British to have the wise Durrell as an advisor to the Cyprus admin. How well could George Bush's administration do with him now? (Mind you I don't think Durrell's penchant for the juice of the vine would go down too well)

David Green



Denise Tart & David Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: william godshalk 
  To: Durrell list 
  Cc: paullorenz at sbcglobal.net 
  Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:54 AM
  Subject: [ilds] durrell list et al.


  What happened to the Durrell list? 

  Charlie and I are now back from Southern Illinois University -- after doing a rapid survey of some of their Durrell collection. And we have stories to tell. We were surprised when, one morning, Corinne Alexandre-Garner greeted us as we arrived a trifle late to work. Unbeknownst to us, she also was in Carbondale working on the Durrell collection. 

  She told us that the Durrell conference will be held in Paris and environs during the first week in July of next year. She seemed surprised that this information had not yet appeared on this list. Perhaps someone out there could give us the details? Why the apparent secrecy?

  Sumantra asks: "What has happened to the reading of Justine?" A good question. Apparently the group lost interest in a close reading of Justine. And so we turned to Bitter Lemons, and the group quickly lost interest in that book. And we are left in limbo. 

  So let's discuss where to go next. Balthazar perhaps? Back to Justine? Elsewhere?

  Bill
    

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From richardpin at eircom.net  Fri Aug 17 02:40:08 2007
From: richardpin at eircom.net (Richard Pine)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:40:08 +0100
Subject: [ilds] terrorism studies
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I think there is a considerable difference between the 'terrorism' which provoked this passsage in LD, and the 'terrorism' with which we are familiar today. The final sentence ('a reprisal for his wrongs') may be common to both forms of action, but the terrorism LD had noted in Palestine (during the transfer of the mandated territory) which he wrote about in 'Judith', and that of EOKA in Cyprus, is more akin to partisanship than to the suicide bombings post-9/11 (or as we say over here, 11/9), which is based on the jihad (am I right? - thinking aloud). WHen I heard the awful (in the sense of utterly stupid) word used by Bush after 9/11 - 'crusade' - my heart sank, for this is exactly what Osama bin Laden wanted to hear - a word that defines both sides as 'infidel' - those who are not of our faith. This is much deeper and more sinister and far-reaching than the campaign for enosis waged by Grivas and his partisans, or for that matter the British in the Balkans during WW2, because it carries the I/not I into our own homes and cities.
Hope this makes a bit of sense.
RP
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Denise Tart & David Green 
  To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
  Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [ilds] terrorism studies


  William,

  I posted this a while back but no one except Charles picked up the ball and ran with it. I am very interested in Durrell's commentary on the nature of terrorism and ask the list to consider this

  Take us back to Durrell's book, David.  Where would you have us start? 

  Richard Pine, I think, said that Durrell was very wise. Indeed. The following extract from Bitter Lemons on the nature of terrorism should, perhaps, be compulsory reading for American, British and Australian security organisations - CIA, MI5 or 6, ASIO in our case.

  "one needs about a month to catch the particular flavour of terrorism which is made up of quite intangible fears - feet running down a road at midnight, a silent man in a white shirt standing at a street corner holding a bicycle too small for him, a parked car with no lights, a factory door ajar, the flick of a torch in a field. terrorism infects the normal transactions of life. The horror of deliberate murder, or ambush or grenade, is at least purging - the pity and the terror are in them, and the conciseness of actions which can be met. But the evil genius of terrorism is suspicion- the man who stops and asks for a light, a cart with a broken axle signalling for help, a forrester standing alone among trees, three youths walking back to a village after sundown, a sheperd shouting something indistinctly heard by moonlight, the sudden pealing of a doorbell in the night. The slender chain of trust upon which all human relations are based is broken - and this the terrorist knows and sharpens his claws precisely here: for is primary object is not battle. It is to bring upon the community in general a reprisal for his wrongs, in the hope that the fury and resentment roused by punishment meted out to the innocent will gradually swell the ranks of those from whom he will draw further recruits."

  To use an Australian expression "How good is this?!"

  when we read the measured examples of Durrell's own experience, we can imagine, quite easliy, the American Grunt in Bagdad trying, probably not very well, to deal with this stuff and if it gets too tricky, well there is always huge amounts of firepower.

  we have soldiers in East Timor coping with the same stuff and they are, by all accounts very professional, and yet, some months ago several notorious local thugs walked out of gaol because 'everything seemed normal'.

  If we consider the precison of Durrell's images - ones I feel he observed or heard - how luck were the British to have the wise Durrell as an advisor to the Cyprus admin. How well could George Bush's administration do with him now? (Mind you I don't think Durrell's penchant for the juice of the vine would go down too well)

  David Green



  Denise Tart & David Green
  16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

  +61 2 9564 6165
  0412 707 625
  dtart at bigpond.net.au
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: william godshalk 
    To: Durrell list 
    Cc: paullorenz at sbcglobal.net 
    Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:54 AM
    Subject: [ilds] durrell list et al.


    What happened to the Durrell list? 

    Charlie and I are now back from Southern Illinois University -- after doing a rapid survey of some of their Durrell collection. And we have stories to tell. We were surprised when, one morning, Corinne Alexandre-Garner greeted us as we arrived a trifle late to work. Unbeknownst to us, she also was in Carbondale working on the Durrell collection. 

    She told us that the Durrell conference will be held in Paris and environs during the first week in July of next year. She seemed surprised that this information had not yet appeared on this list. Perhaps someone out there could give us the details? Why the apparent secrecy?

    Sumantra asks: "What has happened to the reading of Justine?" A good question. Apparently the group lost interest in a close reading of Justine. And so we turned to Bitter Lemons, and the group quickly lost interest in that book. And we are left in limbo. 

    So let's discuss where to go next. Balthazar perhaps? Back to Justine? Elsewhere?

    Bill
      

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From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:59:16 -0400
Subject: [ilds] terror
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From richardpin at eircom.net  Sat Aug 18 07:21:35 2007
From: richardpin at eircom.net (Richard Pine)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:21:35 +0100
Subject: [ilds] terror
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Bill I think you are missing the point. And I don't understand what you mean by saying that Durrell's description is 'adequate' - in fact, it strikes me as very cinematic in its suggestiveness, and definitely of a qualitatively different genre of activity from your 'traveler/terrorist' nexus. You don't agree?
RP
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: william godshalk 
  To: Richard Pine ; ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
  Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:59 PM
  Subject: [ilds] terror


  Very good. Apparently the list is working -- at least a little bit. I think Durrell's description is quite adequate. The slender chain of trust upon which all human relations are based is broken.  You are no longer a traveler, but a suspected terrorist. Off with the shoes, and your belt  (hold your pants up), and then hobble to a place where you can dress. 
   Bill


  At 05:40 AM 8/17/2007, you wrote:

    I think there is a considerable difference between the 'terrorism' which provoked this passsage in LD, and the 'terrorism' with which we are familiar today. The final sentence ('a reprisal for his wrongs') may be common to both forms of action, but the terrorism LD had noted in Palestine (during the transfer of the mandated territory) which he wrote about in 'Judith', and that of EOKA in Cyprus, is more akin to partisanship than to the suicide bombings post-9/11 (or as we say over here, 11/9), which is based on the jihad (am I right? - thinking aloud). WHen I heard the awful (in the sense of utterly stupid) word used by Bush after 9/11 - 'crusade' - my heart sank, for this is exactly what Osama bin Laden wanted to hear - a word that defines both sides as 'infidel' - those who are not of our faith. This is much deeper and more sinister and far-reaching than the campaign for enosis waged by Grivas and his partisans, or for that matter the British in the Balkans during WW2, because it carries the I/not I into our own homes and cities.
    Hope this makes a bit of sense.
    RP

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Denise Tart & David Green 

      To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca 

      Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:47 PM

      Subject: Re: [ilds] terrorism studies


      William,



      I posted this a while back but no one except Charles picked up the ball and ran with it. I am very interested in Durrell's commentary on the nature of terrorism and ask the list to consider this



      Take us back to Durrell's book, David.  Where would you have us start? 



      Richard Pine, I think, said that Durrell was very wise. Indeed. The following extract from Bitter Lemons on the nature of terrorism should, perhaps, be compulsory reading for American, British and Australian security organisations - CIA, MI5 or 6, ASIO in our case.



      "one needs about a month to catch the particular flavour of terrorism which is made up of quite intangible fears - feet running down a road at midnight, a silent man in a white shirt standing at a street corner holding a bicycle too small for him, a parked car with no lights, a factory door ajar, the flick of a torch in a field. terrorism infects the normal transactions of life. The horror of deliberate murder, or ambush or grenade, is at least purging - the pity and the terror are in them, and the conciseness of actions which can be met. But the evil genius of terrorism is suspicion- the man who stops and asks for a light, a cart with a broken axle signalling for help, a forrester standing alone among trees, three youths walking back to a village after sundown, a sheperd shouting something indistinctly heard by moonlight, the sudden pealing of a doorbell in the night. The slender chain of trust upon which all human relations are based is broken - and this the terrorist knows and sharpens his claws precisely here: for is primary object is not battle. It is to bring upon the community in general a reprisal for his wrongs, in the hope that the fury and resentment roused by punishment meted out to the innocent will gradually swell the ranks of those from whom he will draw further recruits."



      To use an Australian expression "How good is this?!"



      when we read the measured examples of Durrell's own experience, we can imagine, quite easliy, the American Grunt in Bagdad trying, probably not very well, to deal with this stuff and if it gets too tricky, well there is always huge amounts of firepower.



      we have soldiers in East Timor coping with the same stuff and they are, by all accounts very professional, and yet, some months ago several notorious local thugs walked out of gaol because 'everything seemed normal'.



      If we consider the precison of Durrell's images - ones I feel he observed or heard - how luck were the British to have the wise Durrell as an advisor to the Cyprus admin. How well could George Bush's administration do with him now? (Mind you I don't think Durrell's penchant for the juice of the vine would go down too well)



      David Green




      Denise Tart & David Green

      16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204



      +61 2 9564 6165

      0412 707 625

      dtart at bigpond.net.au

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: william godshalk 

        To: Durrell list 

        Cc: paullorenz at sbcglobal.net 

        Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:54 AM

        Subject: [ilds] durrell list et al.


        What happened to the Durrell list? 


        Charlie and I are now back from Southern Illinois University -- after doing a rapid survey of some of their Durrell collection. And we have stories to tell. We were surprised when, one morning, Corinne Alexandre-Garner greeted us as we arrived a trifle late to work. Unbeknownst to us, she also was in Carbondale working on the Durrell collection. 


        She told us that the Durrell conference will be held in Paris and environs during the first week in July of next year. She seemed surprised that this information had not yet appeared on this list. Perhaps someone out there could give us the details? Why the apparent secrecy?


        Sumantra asks: "What has happened to the reading of Justine?" A good question. Apparently the group lost interest in a close reading of Justine. And so we turned to Bitter Lemons, and the group quickly lost interest in that book. And we are left in limbo. 


        So let's discuss where to go next. Balthazar perhaps? Back to Justine? Elsewhere?


        Bill

         

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From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:02:56 -0400
Subject: [ilds] terror
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        *On 8/18/2007 10:21 AM, Richard Pine wrote:*
>         Bill I think you are missing the point. And I don't understand
>         what you mean by saying that Durrell's description is
>         'adequate' - in fact, it strikes me as very cinematic in its
>         suggestiveness, and definitely of a qualitatively different
>         genre of activity from your 'traveler/terrorist' nexus. You
>         don't agree?

            *Bill wrote:*
>
>                 Very good. Apparently the list is working -- at least
>                 a little bit. I think Durrell's description is quite
>                 adequate. The slender chain of trust upon which all
>                 human relations are based is broken.  You are no
>                 longer a traveler, but a suspected terrorist. Off with
>                 the shoes, and your belt  (hold your pants up), and
>                 then hobble to a place where you can dress.
>
>>                         *Durrell writes (via David):*
>>                           
>>                         "one needs about a month to catch the
>>                         particular flavour of terrorism which is made
>>                         up of quite intangible fears - feet running
>>                         down a road at midnight, a silent man in a
>>                         white shirt standing at a street corner
>>                         holding a bicycle too small for him, a parked
>>                         car with no lights, a factory door ajar, the
>>                         flick of a torch in a field. terrorism
>>                         infects the normal transactions of life. The
>>                         horror of deliberate murder, or ambush or
>>                         grenade, is at least purging - the pity and
>>                         the terror are in them, and the conciseness
>>                         of actions which can be met. But the evil
>>                         genius of terrorism is suspicion- the man who
>>                         stops and asks for a light, a cart with a
>>                         broken axle signalling for help, a forrester
>>                         standing alone among trees, three youths
>>                         walking back to a village after sundown, a
>>                         sheperd shouting something indistinctly heard
>>                         by moonlight, the sudden pealing of a
>>                         doorbell in the night. The slender chain of
>>                         trust upon which all human relations are
>>                         based is broken - and this the terrorist
>>                         knows and sharpens his claws precisely here:
>>                         for is primary object is not battle. It is to
>>                         bring upon the community in general a
>>                         reprisal for his wrongs, in the hope that the
>>                         fury and resentment roused by punishment
>>                         meted out to the innocent will gradually
>>                         swell the ranks of those from whom he will
>>                         draw further recruits."
>>

I might be able to take both Richard's and Bill's points in order to 
hear more from both.  In my original response to David, I said something 
like Richard does when he invokes the special terms of "cinema."  (I 
believe that I wrote about Durrell leaving us with a clutch of old 
snapshots which imply much activity outside of the frame.)

And Bill (I think) is calling attention to the germ of fear spread by 
terrorism.  Richard's point about how the Masters of Our Different 
Century use terror and new media in an accelerated and exponential way 
might be considered as related to Bill's point:  all innocent travelers 
now must recognize themselves as "suspects" when they pass through 
airport security.

A note in the wake of Carbondale 2007:  the /Bitter Lemons/ materials 
are Carbondale are somewhat unique in that unlike most other major 
Durrellian works, these working notes and drafts and photos are not 
spread far and wide among different archives on different continents.  
Bill and I took some time reading through the FO/Government reports on 
Cyprus that Durrell had held back for himself.  A number of the reports 
(naturally) are concerned with terrorism, but Durrell's underlinings and 
annotations show that this topic was one of the prime concerns while 
writing /Bitter Lemons/.   Anyone following up David's original 
suggestion about /Bitter Lemons/ being a classic and prescient text of 
terrorism would need to look through that material.

Charles

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From godshawl at email.uc.edu  Sat Aug 18 11:13:02 2007
From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:13:02 -0400
Subject: [ilds] information about the 2008 Durrell conference in Paris
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I found this information on the web.


Lawrence Durrell: a Writer at the Crossroads of Arts and Sciences
Universit? Paris X-Nanterre, France  -  1-5 July 2008
Deadline for  proposals: 30 November 2007

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the 
mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that 
stands at the cradle of true arts and science." 
(Albert Einstein, "What I believe," 1930).
The aim of this conference is to explore Lawrence 
Durrell's universe at the crossroads of arts and 
science, but also to explore the world of Paris 
between the wars as the artistic and intellectual 
magnet that  drove so many artists to become expatriates.
The sessions will focus on the relationships 
between Durrell's works and the aesthetic context 
as well as the development of scientific 
research. Contributions dealing with the Parisian 
intellectual and artistic crucible, the arts of 
politics, artistic intertextuality (drama, music, 
painting, philosophy), the scientific fabric 
(Durrell's investigations into quantum theory and 
psychoanalysis) are particularly welcome. But 
other propositions on wider fields are welcome as well.
Submissions for papers including a 250-word 
abstract, a short biography, and possibly a 
bibliography, as well as any request for specific 
material (recorder, videoprojector or other) 
should be sent by 31 November  2007 to Corinne 
Alexandre-Garner 
<corinnealexandre-garner at voila.fr>, or Murielle 
Caplan-Philippe <murielle.philippe at u-paris10.fr>, 
or Isabelle Keller-Privat <isa.kellerprivat at free.fr>.

www.essenglish.org/cfp/conf0803.html
***************************************
W. L. Godshalk		*
Department of English         *
University of Cincinnati            Stellar disorder  *
Cincinnati OH 45221-0069      *
513-281-5927
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From slighcl at wfu.edu  Sat Aug 18 14:34:23 2007
From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:34:23 -0400
Subject: [ilds] information about the 2008 Durrell conference in Paris
In-Reply-To: <0A.8F.21726.EA637C64@gwout2>
References: <0A.8F.21726.EA637C64@gwout2>
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Thanks for doing the necessary homework, Bill. 

Based on the email queries of late on and off list, I think that there 
was a bit of concern.  Now at least some planning can begin.

C&c.

            On 8/18/2007 2:13 PM, william godshalk wrote:I found this
            information on the web.


            Lawrence Durrell: a Writer at the Crossroads of Arts and
            Sciences
            Universit? Paris X-Nanterre, France - 1-5 July 2008
            Deadline for proposals: 30 November 2007

            "The most beautiful experience we can have is the
            mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that
            stands at the cradle of true arts and science."
            (Albert Einstein, "What I believe," 1930).
            The aim of this conference is to explore Lawrence
            Durrell's universe at the crossroads of arts and
            science, but also to explore the world of Paris
            between the wars as the artistic and intellectual
            magnet that drove so many artists to become expatriates.
            The sessions will focus on the relationships
            between Durrell's works and the aesthetic context
            as well as the development of scientific
            research. Contributions dealing with the Parisian
            intellectual and artistic crucible, the arts of
            politics, artistic intertextuality (drama, music,
            painting, philosophy), the scientific fabric
            (Durrell's investigations into quantum theory and
            psychoanalysis) are particularly welcome. But
            other propositions on wider fields are welcome as well.
            Submissions for papers including a 250-word
            abstract, a short biography, and possibly a
            bibliography, as well as any request for specific
            material (recorder, videoprojector or other)
            should be sent by 31 November 2007 to Corinne
            Alexandre-Garner
            <corinnealexandre-garner at voila.fr>, or Murielle
            Caplan-Philippe <murielle.philippe at u-paris10.fr>,
            or Isabelle Keller-Privat <isa.kellerprivat at free.fr>.

            www.essenglish.org/cfp/conf0803.html
            ***************************************
            W. L. Godshalk *
            Department of English *
            University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder *
            Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 *
            513-281-5927
            ***************************************



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From albigensian at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 18 16:25:32 2007
From: albigensian at hotmail.com (Pamela Francis)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:25:32 -0500
Subject: [ilds] information about the 2008 Durrell conference in Paris
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Message-ID: <BAY108-F295C33CE229F28F4D60091B0D90@phx.gbl>


Information is also listed on our website, lawrencedurrell.org

>From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
>Reply-To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>Subject: Re: [ilds] information about the 2008 Durrell conference in Paris
>Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:34:23 -0400
>
>Thanks for doing the necessary homework, Bill.
>
>Based on the email queries of late on and off list, I think that there was 
>a bit of concern.  Now at least some planning can begin.
>
>C&c.
>
>            On 8/18/2007 2:13 PM, william godshalk wrote:I found this
>            information on the web.
>
>
>            Lawrence Durrell: a Writer at the Crossroads of Arts and
>            Sciences
>            Universit? Paris X-Nanterre, France - 1-5 July 2008
>            Deadline for proposals: 30 November 2007
>
>            "The most beautiful experience we can have is the
>            mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that
>            stands at the cradle of true arts and science."
>            (Albert Einstein, "What I believe," 1930).
>            The aim of this conference is to explore Lawrence
>            Durrell's universe at the crossroads of arts and
>            science, but also to explore the world of Paris
>            between the wars as the artistic and intellectual
>            magnet that drove so many artists to become expatriates.
>            The sessions will focus on the relationships
>            between Durrell's works and the aesthetic context
>            as well as the development of scientific
>            research. Contributions dealing with the Parisian
>            intellectual and artistic crucible, the arts of
>            politics, artistic intertextuality (drama, music,
>            painting, philosophy), the scientific fabric
>            (Durrell's investigations into quantum theory and
>            psychoanalysis) are particularly welcome. But
>            other propositions on wider fields are welcome as well.
>            Submissions for papers including a 250-word
>            abstract, a short biography, and possibly a
>            bibliography, as well as any request for specific
>            material (recorder, videoprojector or other)
>            should be sent by 31 November 2007 to Corinne
>            Alexandre-Garner
>            <corinnealexandre-garner at voila.fr>, or Murielle
>            Caplan-Philippe <murielle.philippe at u-paris10.fr>,
>            or Isabelle Keller-Privat <isa.kellerprivat at free.fr>.
>
>            www.essenglish.org/cfp/conf0803.html
>            ***************************************
>            W. L. Godshalk *
>            Department of English *
>            University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder *
>            Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 *
>            513-281-5927
>            ***************************************
>
>
>
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>>
>>
>>
>
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>Department of English
>Wake Forest University
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Sat Aug 18 16:47:46 2007
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:47:46 +1000
Subject: [ilds] Terrorism
Message-ID: <006101c7e1f2$2d8d7910$7891bc7c@MumandDad>

RP,

the political dimensions behind terrorism vary of course, but I think that passage from Bitter Lemons is valid non the less in as much as the commonplace suddenly becomes suspicious. I am thinking about American Soldiers in Bagdag trying to figure out which of these apparently ordinary moments is harmless or not. It can't be easy. Our Aussie SAS guys are said to be very good at this stuff, but they have been hauled over the coals for shooting the wrong people - including an American contractor who failed to stop at a road block.

Osama did his work well. When I visited the USA last december, the airports were chaos. the people in the long cues were pissed off, the airport staff were pissed off, I came as close to belting someone as I have in a long time and I thought America is a great place, but I am sure glad I wont be going there for a while.

DG


Denise Tart & David Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
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From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:22:47 -0400
Subject: [ilds] conference descriptions
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Sat Aug 18 16:36:00 2007
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:36:00 +1000
Subject: [ilds] Fw: ah....drinking..........
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Denise Tart & David Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Leon Lowis 
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Fw: ah....drinking..........








 
      The Value of a  Drink 
        

      "Sometimes  when I reflect back on all the wine I drink 
      I feel  shame.  Then  I look into the glass and think 
      about the workers in the vineyards and  all of their hopes 
      and dreams. If  I didn't drink this wine, they might be out 
      of work and their dreams  would be shattered.  
      Then I say to  myself, "It is better that I drink this wine and let their 
      dreams come  true than be selfish and worry about my liver." 
      ~ Jack  Handy 

      WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may leave you wondering what the hell   
      happened to your bra and panties. 
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   
      "I  feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they 
      wake up in the  morning, that's as good as they're 
      going to feel all day. " 
      ~Frank  Sinatra 

      WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that you are  tougher, smarter, faster  and better looking than most people. 
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
      "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." 
      ~  Henny Youngman 

      WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may lead you to think people are laughing WITH  you. 
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
      "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case.  Coincidence? I think not." 
      ~ Stephen Wright   

      WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may cause you to think you can  sing. 
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
      "When we drink, we get drunk. When we get drunk, 
      we fall asleep.  When we fall asleep, we commit no sin. 
      When we commit no sin, we go to  heaven. So, let's all 
      get drunk and go to heaven!" 
      ~ Brian  O'Rourke 

      WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause  pregnancy. 
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   
      "Beer  is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." 
      ~ Benjamin  Franklin 

      WARNING: The consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing  like a retard. 
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
      "Without  question, the greatest invention in the 
      history of mankind is beer.  Oh, I grant you that the 
      wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel  does 
      not go nearly as well with pizza." 
      ~ Dave Barry   

      WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell your friends over and  over again that you love them. 
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
      To some ! it's a six-pack, to me it's a Support Group. Salvation in a can! 
      ~Dave  Howell 

      WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may make you think you can logically converse  with members of the opposite sex without spitting. 
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
      And saving the best for last, as explained by Cliff  Clavin,of  Cheers. 
      One afternoon at Cheers, Cliff Clavin was explaining the  BuffaloTheory to his buddy Norm. 
      Here's how it  went: 

      "Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of  buffalo can  only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when  the  herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest  ones at  the back that are killed first This natural selection  is good  for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole  group keeps improving by the regular  killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can  only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of  alcohol, as we know,  kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain  cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the  weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.  That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."   

      WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may make you think you are whispering when you  are not


     
             
     


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From sumantranag at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 23:37:39 2007
From: sumantranag at gmail.com (Sumantra Nag)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:07:39 +0530
Subject: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 12
References: <mailman.1.1187463602.1818734.ilds@lists.uvic.ca>
Message-ID: <006e01c7e22b$732823b0$0501a8c0@intel>

Bill wrote:

From: william godshalk
        To: Durrell list
        Cc: paullorenz at sbcglobal.net
        Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:54 AM

Sumantra asks: "What has happened to the reading of Justine?" A good 
question. Apparently the group lost interest in a close reading of Justine. 
And so we turned to Bitter Lemons, and the group quickly lost interest in 
that book. And we are left in limbo.

 So let's discuss where to go next. Balthazar perhaps? Back to Justine? 
Elsewhere?

Bill
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

One way would be to start on Balthazar and allow reflections on the 
remaining parts of the Justine discussion as well. Or, with a focus on 
Balthazar, include references on Justine as well - actually that would be 
quite in keeping with Lawrence Durrell's own approach across sequence, time 
and context! But let the moderators decide - it would be nice to resume the 
discussion on the text of the AQ in some way.

Regards

Sumantra 


From richardpin at eircom.net  Sun Aug 19 02:18:54 2007
From: richardpin at eircom.net (Richard Pine)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:18:54 +0100
Subject: [ilds] information about the 2008 Durrell conference in Paris
References: <0A.8F.21726.EA637C64@gwout2> <46C765DF.3050906@wfu.edu>
Message-ID: <002101c7e241$f9e31930$2c8de9d5@rpinelaptop>

And the Durrell School of Corfu would like to remind everyone that it will hold 2 seminars on Durrellian themes in May-June 2008:
18-23 May: 'An Investigation of Modern Love', with moderators Shere Hite and Joseph Boone
1-6 June: Travel Writing: Spirit of Place and Discovery of the Self, with facilitator Jan Morris.
All welcome
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: slighcl 
  To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
  Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [ilds] information about the 2008 Durrell conference in Paris


  Thanks for doing the necessary homework, Bill.  

  Based on the email queries of late on and off list, I think that there was a bit of concern.  Now at least some planning can begin.

  C&c.

        On 8/18/2007 2:13 PM, william godshalk wrote:I found this information on the web.


        Lawrence Durrell: a Writer at the Crossroads of Arts and Sciences
        Universit? Paris X-Nanterre, France - 1-5 July 2008
        Deadline for proposals: 30 November 2007

        "The most beautiful experience we can have is the 
        mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that 
        stands at the cradle of true arts and science." 
        (Albert Einstein, "What I believe," 1930).
        The aim of this conference is to explore Lawrence 
        Durrell's universe at the crossroads of arts and 
        science, but also to explore the world of Paris 
        between the wars as the artistic and intellectual 
        magnet that drove so many artists to become expatriates.
        The sessions will focus on the relationships 
        between Durrell's works and the aesthetic context 
        as well as the development of scientific 
        research. Contributions dealing with the Parisian 
        intellectual and artistic crucible, the arts of 
        politics, artistic intertextuality (drama, music, 
        painting, philosophy), the scientific fabric 
        (Durrell's investigations into quantum theory and 
        psychoanalysis) are particularly welcome. But 
        other propositions on wider fields are welcome as well.
        Submissions for papers including a 250-word 
        abstract, a short biography, and possibly a 
        bibliography, as well as any request for specific 
        material (recorder, videoprojector or other) 
        should be sent by 31 November 2007 to Corinne 
        Alexandre-Garner 
        <corinnealexandre-garner at voila.fr>, or Murielle 
        Caplan-Philippe <murielle.philippe at u-paris10.fr>, 
        or Isabelle Keller-Privat <isa.kellerprivat at free.fr>.

        www.essenglish.org/cfp/conf0803.html
        ***************************************
        W. L. Godshalk *
        Department of English *
        University of Cincinnati Stellar disorder *
        Cincinnati OH 45221-0069 *
        513-281-5927
        ***************************************



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From lillios at mail.ucf.edu  Sun Aug 19 09:48:18 2007
From: lillios at mail.ucf.edu (Anna Lillios)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:48:18 -0400
Subject: [ilds] Terrorism
Message-ID: <46C83C120200004D00022F95@mail.ucf.edu>

Hi David,

     You must have had bad luck and landed at an airport with bad weather or crowded because of the holidays, etc.  I fly in and out of Orlando, Florida, the tourist destination of the world, and can go from the curb to the gate, from checking in to clearing all of the security checks, in about 15 minutes, with no lines.  I cruised through there 6 times this summer with no troubles.  Thus, from my experience, I beg to differ with you--Osama Bin Laden has not done his work well in the US.

                                                                                                                                --Anna

Dr. Anna Lillios
Associate Professor of English
Department of English
University of Central Florida
P.O. Box 161346
Orlando, Florida 32816-1346

Phone: (407) 823-5161
FAX: (407) 823-6582
>>> "Denise Tart & David Green" <dtart at bigpond.net.au> 08/18/07 7:47 PM >>>
RP,

the political dimensions behind terrorism vary of course, but I think that passage from Bitter Lemons is valid non the less in as much as the commonplace suddenly becomes suspicious. I am thinking about American Soldiers in Bagdag trying to figure out which of these apparently ordinary moments is harmless or not. It can't be easy. Our Aussie SAS guys are said to be very good at this stuff, but they have been hauled over the coals for shooting the wrong people - including an American contractor who failed to stop at a road block.

Osama did his work well. When I visited the USA last december, the airports were chaos. the people in the long cues were pissed off, the airport staff were pissed off, I came as close to belting someone as I have in a long time and I thought America is a great place, but I am sure glad I wont be going there for a while.

DG


Denise Tart & David Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au


From albigensian at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 19 11:01:51 2007
From: albigensian at hotmail.com (Pamela Francis)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:01:51 -0500
Subject: [ilds] February in Louisville, May in Corfu, July in Paris
Message-ID: <BAY108-F39C7FAF6C3EFF9A8EC2C0DB0DA0@phx.gbl>

Yes, Durrellians, PR is a bit uneven these days, but not b/c of lack of 
trying...I, for instance, submitted the CFP for Louisville to the MSA 
(Modernist Studies Assoc) and it STILL hasn't gone out--waiting for 
moderator approval, which means, that unlike our moderators, who are always 
at the ready, theirs is sipping cocktails somewhere enjoying the last few 
hours of bliss before the semester begins. And as for the UPENN CFP list, 
which so many of us depended on ( I know I did), it does not go out any 
longer--you have to actually log on, find your section and then go to the 
bottom of the list--NOT very user friendly, esp. as it's something you have 
to remember to do. So vehicles for disseminating info are few and far 
between. The Herald will be out shortly, but please, spread the CFPs for 
Louisville and Paris any place you can...thanks, pamela



From odos.fanourios at gmail.com  Sun Aug 19 11:17:15 2007
From: odos.fanourios at gmail.com (James Gifford)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:17:15 -0600
Subject: [ilds] February in Louisville, May in Corfu, July in Paris
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F39C7FAF6C3EFF9A8EC2C0DB0DA0@phx.gbl>
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Hello all,

I've just updated the website with the conference information, and I'll 
have podcasts from the ACLALS conference sessions very soon:

    http://www.lawrencedurrell.org

I hope you're all enjoying the dog days of the summer!  Alas, the dog 
star isn't sending us too much heat up North just now, but I'm already 
looking forward to an active and happy series of events next year.  
Between OMG XV, Lousville, and two exciting DSC Seminars, we're going to 
have a busy year, and with any luck, I'll be able to get the proceedings 
from Victoria moving shortly.

Also, as Pamela says, please help us out with distributing the 
information while some kind of substitute for the all-too short-lived 
UPenn CFP list is found!  We should have print materials out shortly.

Best,
James


Pamela Francis wrote:
> Yes, Durrellians, PR is a bit uneven these days, but not b/c of lack of 
> trying...I, for instance, submitted the CFP for Louisville to the MSA 
> (Modernist Studies Assoc) and it STILL hasn't gone out--waiting for 
> moderator approval, which means, that unlike our moderators, who are always 
> at the ready, theirs is sipping cocktails somewhere enjoying the last few 
> hours of bliss before the semester begins. And as for the UPENN CFP list, 
> which so many of us depended on ( I know I did), it does not go out any 
> longer--you have to actually log on, find your section and then go to the 
> bottom of the list--NOT very user friendly, esp. as it's something you have 
> to remember to do. So vehicles for disseminating info are few and far 
> between. The Herald will be out shortly, but please, spread the CFPs for 
> Louisville and Paris any place you can...thanks, pamela
>   

From albigensian at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 19 11:18:38 2007
From: albigensian at hotmail.com (Pamela Francis)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:18:38 -0500
Subject: [ilds] Fw: ah....drinking..........
In-Reply-To: <005501c7e1f0$892c2200$7891bc7c@MumandDad>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F22AC41FE54978930658A72B0DA0@phx.gbl>

I'll drink to that...but do I have to wait till 4 o'clock?

>From: "Denise Tart & David Green" <dtart at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>To: "Durrel" <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>Subject: [ilds] Fw: ah....drinking..........
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:36:00 +1000
>
>
>Denise Tart & David Green
>16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204
>
>+61 2 9564 6165
>0412 707 625
>dtart at bigpond.net.au
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Leon Lowis
>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:08 PM
>Subject: Fw: ah....drinking..........
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       The Value of a  Drink
>
>
>       "Sometimes  when I reflect back on all the wine I drink
>       I feel  shame.  Then  I look into the glass and think
>       about the workers in the vineyards and  all of their hopes
>       and dreams. If  I didn't drink this wine, they might be out
>       of work and their dreams  would be shattered.
>       Then I say to  myself, "It is better that I drink this wine and let 
>their
>       dreams come  true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
>       ~ Jack  Handy
>
>       WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may leave you wondering what 
>the hell
>       happened to your bra and panties.
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       "I  feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they
>       wake up in the  morning, that's as good as they're
>       going to feel all day. "
>       ~Frank  Sinatra
>
>       WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that 
>you are  tougher, smarter, faster  and better looking than most people.
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading."
>       ~  Henny Youngman
>
>       WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may lead you to think people 
>are laughing WITH  you.
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case.  Coincidence? I think not."
>       ~ Stephen Wright
>
>       WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may cause you to think you can  
>sing.
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       "When we drink, we get drunk. When we get drunk,
>       we fall asleep.  When we fall asleep, we commit no sin.
>       When we commit no sin, we go to  heaven. So, let's all
>       get drunk and go to heaven!"
>       ~ Brian  O'Rourke
>
>       WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause  pregnancy.
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       "Beer  is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
>       ~ Benjamin  Franklin
>
>       WARNING: The consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing  
>like a retard.
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       "Without  question, the greatest invention in the
>       history of mankind is beer.  Oh, I grant you that the
>       wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel  does
>       not go nearly as well with pizza."
>       ~ Dave Barry
>
>       WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell your 
>friends over and  over again that you love them.
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       To some ! it's a six-pack, to me it's a Support Group. Salvation in 
>a can!
>       ~Dave  Howell
>
>       WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may make you think you can 
>logically converse  with members of the opposite sex without spitting.
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       And saving the best for last, as explained by Cliff  Clavin,of  
>Cheers.
>       One afternoon at Cheers, Cliff Clavin was explaining the  
>BuffaloTheory to his buddy Norm.
>       Here's how it  went:
>
>       "Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of  buffalo can  only 
>move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when  the  herd is hunted, it is 
>the slowest and weakest  ones at  the back that are killed first This 
>natural selection  is good  for the herd as a whole, because the general 
>speed and health of the whole  group keeps improving by the regular  
>killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can  
>only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of  
>alcohol, as we know,  kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the 
>slowest and weakest brain  cells first. In this way, regular consumption of 
>beer eliminates the  weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more 
>efficient machine.  That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."
>
>       WARNING:  The consumption of alcohol may make you think you are 
>whispering when you  are not
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From godshawl at email.uc.edu  Sun Aug 19 14:00:48 2007
From: godshawl at email.uc.edu (william godshalk)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:00:48 -0400
Subject: [ilds] reviving the reading group
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From dtart at bigpond.net.au  Sun Aug 19 13:34:57 2007
From: dtart at bigpond.net.au (Denise Tart & David Green)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:34:57 +1000
Subject: [ilds] Terrorism
References: <46C83C120200004D00022F95@mail.ucf.edu>
Message-ID: <001101c7e2a0$68afb9a0$1a92bc7c@MumandDad>

Hi David,
>
>     You must have had bad luck and landed at an airport with bad weather 
> or crowded because of the holidays, etc.  I fly in and out of Orlando, 
> Florida, the tourist destination of the world, and can go from the curb to 
> the gate, from checking in to clearing all of the security checks, in 
> about 15 minutes, with no lines.  I cruised through there 6 times this 
> summer with no troubles.  Thus, from my experience, I beg to differ with 
> you--Osama Bin Laden has not done his work well in the US

Anna, I will accept your greater local knowledge. We visited the states at 
Christmas Time and I would say there were a lot of Americans travelling who 
would otherwise not be airborne. LAX was the worst. They lost our bags and 
no one really seemed to know what was happening. Boston was better.
Perhaps next time, I visit at a less busy time.

David

Denise Tart & David Green
16 William Street, Marrickville NSW 2204

+61 2 9564 6165
0412 707 625
dtart at bigpond.net.au
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From: "Anna Lillios" <lillios at mail.ucf.edu>
To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ilds] Terrorism


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From slighcl at wfu.edu  Sun Aug 19 15:00:33 2007
From: slighcl at wfu.edu (slighcl)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:00:33 -0400
Subject: [ilds] reviving the reading group
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On 8/19/2007 5:00 PM, william godshalk wrote:
>
>         Of course, I hope I'm completely wrong, and that a chorus of
>         voices will prove me so. 
>
You ask for chorus, Bill, and I will give you choir.

This late-recovered zinger was oft heard wafting down from old Scurvy's 
little flat in Tatwig Street:

        [/To be chaunted in the accents of Old Ron/ -- ed.]
        *
        The Eton Choir*

        There was the Vicar
        Pulling the wire
        There was the Verger
        Stoking the fire
        There was the Organ
        Playing higher and higher
        While I sang treble in the
        Eton Choir!

        ["/While he sang treble in the
        Eton Choir/" &c. &c. -- ed.]

Scobie lives.

-- 
**********************
Charles L. Sligh
Department of English
Wake Forest University
slighcl at wfu.edu
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