[ilds] Po-co/poco

Richard Pine richardpin at eircom.net
Thu Jul 12 01:33:02 PDT 2007

Bill, I'll buy 'Discourses of Movement' - what's your opening price?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pamela Francis" <albigensian at hotmail.com>
To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ilds] Po-co/poco

> >From Bill:
>>Well, maybe the answer is that we are all of us imperialists and/or
>>colonialists. Some would like to distinguish between imperialism and
>>colonialism -- the Philippines for example which the US held as an
>>imperial power, but which it did not colonize to a great extent. Perhaps
>>there is no "post" about it. Imperialism and colonialism don't
>>disappear. They just reappear in new forms, new "manifest
>>destines," and new or old places.
> Both Bill and Richard point out something I've tried to--that 
> "colonialism"
> is not what we're really after, but "imperialism"-- a good portion of the
> history of Imperiums (Imperia?) never involved colonization (France and
> Britain in Egypt, for example).  I really prefer to call my field Empire
> Studies, but just like my move to rename travel/diaspora/migration studies
> Discourses of Movement, no one is buying it.
>>Let's look at this from the
>>po-co viewpoint, which I'm not really able to argue being a native
>>Imperialist, indeed I was once an Imperialist soldier wrecking havoc on a
>>"Third-World" country, but I sense what they're trying to say,
>>namely, that we in the "First World" are not in the
>>"Second" or "Third World" and cannot be by virtue of
>>our policies over the last couple of hundred years.  It a matter of
>>"us" vs. "them," and we are "them." It's far more complicated than this
>>since someone can undoubtedly cite
>>examples of Third World colonialists (Vietnam in Cambodia, China in
>>Tibet), but I'll accept the division for the sake of argument.  If
>>so, don't the true and bonafide po-cos reject the ersatz and
>>Johnny-come-lately po-cos?  Shouldn't one have to prove and show
>>one's po-co bonafides before making a po-co argument?
>>W. L.
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>>University of
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