[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8

Richard Pine richardpin at eircom.net
Fri Jul 6 12:18:25 PDT 2007


SUMANTRA NAG, stop sending messages that are 29 pages long!!!!!!!!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: william godshalk 
  To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca 
  Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8


  Here's one reference:

  "Lawrence Durrell, Travel Writer, Heir of Stendhal." In-Between: Essays and Studies in Literary Criticism 11.2 (2002): 263-76




    Stendhal has been mentioned somewhere as a "master" for Lawrence Durrell and 
    references to the influence of Stendhal on Durrell have cropped up in 
    writings whose references I cannot now recall. In particular there is a 
    suggestion that Lawrence Durrell valued the practice of "writing fast" as 
    Stendhal was reputed to have done.

    Any illumination please, on the link between Durrell and Stendhal?

    Sumantra

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    >   1. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (william godshalk)
    >   2. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes (slighcl)
    >   3. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes (Michael Haag)
    >   4. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of Elizabeth Alicia Maria
    >      Lewis (slighcl)
    >   5. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of Elizabeth Alicia Maria
    >      Lewis (Michael Haag)
    >   6. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes (slighcl)
    >   7. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes (william godshalk)
    >   8. sexism (Michael Haag)
    >   9. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- cyprus collector (slighcl)
    >  10. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (Bruce Redwine)
    >  11. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (Michael Haag)
    >  12. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (william godshalk)
    >  13. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Corvo (slighcl)
    >  14. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- no women? (Bruce Redwine)
    >  15. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (william godshalk)
    >  16. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (Bruce Redwine)
    >  17. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- more corvo (slighcl)
    >  18. ugly women (Michael Haag)
    >  19. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE (slighcl)
    >  20. Re: ugly women (william godshalk)
    >  21. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE (Michael Haag)
    >  22. Re: Durrell's Women (william godshalk)
    >  23. Re: Durrell's Women (Michael Haag)
    >  24. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE (slighcl)
    >  25. Re: ugly women (Bruce Redwine)
    >  26. RG Bitter Lemons -- Meet Bob Montgomery (slighcl)
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    > Message: 1
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:11:40 -0400
    > From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:18:32 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > On 7/5/2007 8:59 PM, slighcl wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>     Lewis, Agnes Smith (1843-1926), Arabic and Syriac scholar and
    >>     novelist, was born Agnes Smith on 16 April 1843 in Irvine,
    >>     Ayrshire[. . . .]
    >>
    > Could someone more expert on Anglo-Cypriot relations confirm for me that
    > this is "Mrs. Lewis"?
    >
    > Like Bill, I am looking at a bookdealer's description that tells me
    >
    >        A Lady's Impressions of Cyprus.
    >        Lewis, Mrs. [Agnes, formerly Agnes Smith]
    >        Bookseller: Bay Laurel Books
    >        (Kent, LON, United Kingdom)     Price: US$ 1869.61
    >
    >
    >        Book Description: Remington & Company, Limited., 1894.
    >        Hardcover. Book Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. First
    >        edition. 8vo. pp. ix, 346; extending map frontis., 3 plates from
    >        sketches; embrowning to endpapers, slight spotting to frontis.
    >        and title, occasional pencil annotations, else a very good copy
    >        in the original cloth, gilt, a little rubbed. Bookseller
    >        Inventory # 000653
    >
    >
    > But given that "Smith" and "Lewis" are not the most distinctive names to
    > search out--too many!--I am worried we are at crossed-signals.
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > Charles
    >
    > -- 
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    > Wake Forest University
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    > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:27:16 +0100
    > From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > Not the same woman.  The author of A Lady's First etc was Elizabeth A M
    > Lewis.
    >
    > :Michael
    >
    >
    > On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:18  am, slighcl wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> On 7/5/2007 8:59 PM, slighcl wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Lewis, Agnes Smith (1843?1926), Arabic and Syriac scholar and
    >> novelist, was born Agnes Smith on 16 April 1843 in Irvine, Ayrshire[.
    >> . . .]
    >>
    >> Could someone more expert on Anglo-Cypriot relations confirm for me
    >> that this is "Mrs. Lewis"?
    >>
    >> Like Bill, I am looking at a bookdealer's description that tells me
    >>
    >> A Lady's Impressions of Cyprus.
    >> Lewis, Mrs. [Agnes, formerly Agnes Smith]
    >> Bookseller: Bay Laurel Books
    >> (Kent, LON, United Kingdom) ??? Price: US$ 1869.61
    >>
    >>
    >> Book Description: Remington & Company, Limited., 1894. Hardcover. Book
    >> Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. First edition. 8vo. pp. ix, 346;
    >> extending map frontis., 3 plates from sketches; embrowning to
    >> endpapers, slight spotting to frontis. and title, occasional pencil
    >> annotations, else a very good copy in the original cloth, gilt, a
    >> little rubbed. Bookseller Inventory # 000653
    >>
    >>
    >> But given that "Smith" and "Lewis" are not the most distinctive names
    >> to search out--too many!--I am worried we are at crossed-signals.
    >>
    >> Thanks!
    >>
    >> Charles
    >>
    >> -- 
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    >> Charles L. Sligh
    >> Department of English
    >> Wake Forest University
    >> slighcl at wfu.edu
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    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:24:55 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of Elizabeth Alicia
    > Maria Lewis
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    > No.  Wrong Lewis.  In WorldCat I find the following identification:
    >
    >    Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis
    >
    >
    > And there I went trying to make into Mrs. Lewis an Orientalist scholar
    > and founder of schools!
    >
    > But our Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis really did like Cyprus:
    >
    >    /The Templars in Cyprus :
    >    a dramatic poem/ /
    >
    >    Friedrich Ludwig Zacharias Werner;  Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis
    >    1886
    >    English Book Book 262 p. ; 19 cm.
    >    London : G. Bell and Sons.
    >
    >
    > Self-correcting,
    >
    > Charles
    >
    > -- 
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    > Message: 5
    > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:32:10 +0100
    > From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of Elizabeth Alicia
    > Maria Lewis
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Message-ID: <B755059A-2B60-11DC-A33D-000393B1149C at btinternet.com>
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    > Probably the source of Durrell's misinformation about the Templars on
    > Cyprus.
    >
    > By the way, Elizabeth David's copy of A Lady's etc recently sold for
    > ?460.  A snip.
    >
    > :Michael
    >
    >
    >
    > On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:24  am, slighcl wrote:
    >
    >> No.? Wrong Lewis.? In WorldCat I find the following identification:
    >>
    >> Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis
    >>
    >>
    >> And there I went trying to make into Mrs. Lewis an Orientalist scholar
    >> and founder of schools!
    >>
    >> But our Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis really did like Cyprus:
    >>
    >> The Templars in Cyprus :
    >> a dramatic poem /
    >>
    >> Friedrich Ludwig Zacharias Werner;? Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis
    >> 1886
    >> English Book Book 262 p. ; 19 cm.
    >> London : G. Bell and Sons.
    >>
    >>
    >> Self-correcting,
    >>
    >> Charles
    >>
    >> -- 
    >> **********************
    >> Charles L. Sligh
    >> Department of English
    >> Wake Forest University
    >> slighcl at wfu.edu
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    > Message: 6
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:34:12 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes
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    > On 7/5/2007 9:27 PM, Michael Haag wrote:
    >
    >> Not the same woman. The author of A Lady's First etc was Elizabeth A M
    >> Lewis.
    >
    > Thanks, Michael.
    >
    > An interesting instance of how one wrong record could have set me on to
    > a false trail.  And that bookshop still is asking for US $2000 after
    > misidentifying the author.
    >
    > Carefully, carefully.
    >
    > Charles
    >
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    > Charles L. Sligh
    > Department of English
    > Wake Forest University
    > slighcl at wfu.edu
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    > Message: 7
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:38:50 -0400
    > From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > Message: 8
    > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:48:03 +0100
    > From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    > Subject: [ilds] sexism
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Message-ID: <EF35F296-2B62-11DC-A33D-000393B1149C at btinternet.com>
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    > A.  Why are so many men interested in Durrell studies, i.e. most of the
    > respondents in the discussion group are male?  Is it because they are
    > fascinated by Durrell's fantasy women and the world he creates around
    > them?   - Anna Lillios
    >
    >> B.    As a member of the Durrell Society, the intent behind my
    >> questioning of male readers' attraction to LD's femme fatales is to
    >> figure out, in general, how to expand interest in Durrell studies--by
    >> gender, race, age, etc--so that his works will survive through the
    >> 21st century.  Every time I travel, I go to bookstores and always look
    >> to see if his works are on the shelves.  I was recently in the Midwest
    >> and didn't find his books, even at the U. of Iowa Bookstore.  I like
    >> Bill's term, "diversity in the marketplace of ideas," but the big
    >> question is how to create it.  I think we're beyond feeling "tant
    >> pis."  - Anna Lillios
    >
    > Statement A is a sexist leading question.  Statement B seems to bare no
    > relationship to statement A.  The proper answer, as I said before, is
    > for women to make a greater contribution.
    >
    > :Michael
    >
    >
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    > Message: 9
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:50:06 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- cyprus collector
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Cc: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>, Bill Godshalk
    > <godshawl at EMAIL.UC.EDU>
    > Message-ID: <468D9FCE.7030802 at wfu.edu>
    > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
    >
    > The Cyprus Collector site has many scans of Cyprus-related woodcuts,
    > engravings, and maps that might entertain anyone taking up /Bitter 
    > Lemons/.
    >
    > Try this series for some moments after the arrival of the British:
    >
    >    http://www.cypruscollector.net/ency1.html
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Nice mustaches:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > And here is a bit of that "Gothic" landscape:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > And then visit the site itself:
    >
    >    http://www.cypruscollector.net/
    >
    >
    > Charles
    >
    > -- 
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    > Wake Forest University
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    > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:50:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
    > From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > "Kubla Khan," l. 1:  "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure dome 
    > decree."  The allusion doesn't work for me, unless taken ironically, i.e., 
    > the final outcome being anything but.
    >
    > Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge 
    > fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going on 
    > here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it a place 
    > name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a crow flitting 
    > through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the Lord of the Rings?
    >
    > Bruce
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    >>From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    >>Sent: Jul 5, 2007 5:37 PM
    >>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    >>Subject: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    >>
    >>"Apparently the hotel was to be an echo of Coleridge" (last page of
    >>"Towards an Eastern Landfall.")
    >>
    >>I assume it's the word "Dome" that sets off the echo. But why does
    >>Durrell mention it?
    >>
    >>Bill
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    > Message: 11
    > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:58:03 +0100
    > From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    > To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Message-ID: <54C0D71E-2B64-11DC-A33D-000393B1149C at btinternet.com>
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    > Frederick Rolfe, Baron Corvo, The Quest for Corvo.
    >
    > :Michael
    >
    >
    > On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:50  am, Bruce Redwine wrote:
    >
    >> "Kubla Khan," l. 1:  "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure
    >> dome decree."  The allusion doesn't work for me, unless taken
    >> ironically, i.e., the final outcome being anything but.
    >>
    >> Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge
    >> fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going on
    >> here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it a
    >> place name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a crow
    >> flitting through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the Lord of
    >> the Rings?
    >>
    >> Bruce
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >>> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    >>> Sent: Jul 5, 2007 5:37 PM
    >>> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    >>> Subject: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    >>>
    >>> "Apparently the hotel was to be an echo of Coleridge" (last page of
    >>> "Towards an Eastern Landfall.")
    >>>
    >>> I assume it's the word "Dome" that sets off the echo. But why does
    >>> Durrell mention it?
    >>>
    >>> Bill
    >>> ***************************************
    >>> W. L. Godshalk *
    >>> Department of English         *
    >>> University of Cincinnati            Stellar disorder  *
    >>> Cincinnati OH 45221-0069      *
    >>> 513-281-5927
    >>> ***************************************
    >>>
    >>>
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    > Message: 12
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:56:16 -0400
    > From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    > To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Message-ID:
    > <20070706015708.FLHQ15819.gx6.fuse.net at bill-hdl5a49h32.email.uc.edu>
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    > Bruce, it's a literary allusion which Charlie will explain -- because
    > he knows more than I do about Corvo. The New York Review of Books
    > Editions will provide you with hardcopy.
    >
    > Bill
    >
    >
    > At 09:50 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote:
    >>"Kubla Khan," l. 1:  "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure
    >>dome decree."  The allusion doesn't work for me, unless taken
    >>ironically, i.e., the final outcome being anything but.
    >>
    >>Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge
    >>fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going
    >>on here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it
    >>a place name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a
    >>crow flitting through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the
    >>Lord of the Rings?
    >>
    >>Bruce
    >>
    >>-----Original Message-----
    >> >From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    >> >Sent: Jul 5, 2007 5:37 PM
    >> >To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    >> >Subject: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    >> >
    >> >"Apparently the hotel was to be an echo of Coleridge" (last page of
    >> >"Towards an Eastern Landfall.")
    >> >
    >> >I assume it's the word "Dome" that sets off the echo. But why does
    >> >Durrell mention it?
    >> >
    >> >Bill
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    > Message: 13
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:59:18 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Corvo
    > To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Message-ID: <468DA1F6.5050806 at wfu.edu>
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    > On 7/5/2007 9:50 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge 
    >>fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going on 
    >>here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it a place 
    >>name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a crow flitting 
    >>through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the Lord of the Rings?
    >>
    > Durrell is invoking Baron Corvo/Frederick Rolfe, Bruce.
    >
    > Read as much about and by Corvo as you can.
    >
    >    http://www.nybooks.com/nyrb/authors/7424
    >
    >    http://www.nybooks.com/nyrb/book-search?q=symons
    >
    >    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Rolfe
    >
    >
    > The simile, which recalls Hunter Thompson's /Fear and Loathing/ for me,
    > is in every way appropriate.  Bats for the batty!
    >
    > Enjoy!
    >
    > Charles
    >
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    > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:59:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
    > From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- no women?
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    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:00:14 -0400
    > From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
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    > Message: 16
    > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:02:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
    > From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    > To: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>, Durrell list
    > <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
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    > I prefer flying on the back of a corvo.
    >
    > Bruce
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    >>From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    >>Sent: Jul 5, 2007 6:58 PM
    >>To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    >>Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    >>
    >>Frederick Rolfe, Baron Corvo, The Quest for Corvo.
    >>
    >>:Michael
    >>
    >>
    >>On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:50  am, Bruce Redwine wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Kubla Khan," l. 1:  "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure
    >>> dome decree."  The allusion doesn't work for me, unless taken
    >>> ironically, i.e., the final outcome being anything but.
    >>>
    >>> Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge
    >>> fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going on
    >>> here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it a
    >>> place name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a crow
    >>> flitting through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the Lord of
    >>> the Rings?
    >>>
    >>> Bruce
    >>>
    >>> -----Original Message-----
    >>>> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    >>>> Sent: Jul 5, 2007 5:37 PM
    >>>> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    >>>> Subject: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
    >>>>
    >>>> "Apparently the hotel was to be an echo of Coleridge" (last page of
    >>>> "Towards an Eastern Landfall.")
    >>>>
    >>>> I assume it's the word "Dome" that sets off the echo. But why does
    >>>> Durrell mention it?
    >>>>
    >>>> Bill
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    > Message: 17
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:33:53 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- more corvo
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Message-ID: <468DAA11.60702 at wfu.edu>
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    >
    > On 7/5/2007 9:56 PM, william godshalk wrote:
    >
    >>Bruce, it's a literary allusion which Charlie will explain -- because
    >>he knows more than I do about Corvo.
    >>
    > http://www.bouquinerie.com/catalogue/R/images/corvo.jpg
    >
    > Well, where to begin?  Rolfe/Corvo might be best defined in Durrell's
    > words:  he was one of those "/deeply wounded in his sex/."   If he had
    > lived beyond his Venice years I can imagine him showing up in
    > Alexandria.  He left a broken trail behind him and there was no
    > returning.  Alexandria was the perfect climate for a "bankrupt" like him.
    >
    > I suppose that Durrell is citing Corvo and having the bat-lark because
    > Rolfe lived in Venice for a while by mooching and died there
    > impoverished and bitterly paranoid after writing /The Desire and Pursuit
    > of the Whol/e and his /Venice Letters/.   If you enjoy reading /fin de
    > siecle/, Yellow-Bookish prose limning homosexual themes and
    > crypto-catholic imagery--and who does not?--then these books might be
    > for you.
    >
    >>     In August 1908 Rolfe left for Venice and never returned, living
    >>     out a kind of degenerate and vituperative envoi to his earlier
    >>     years. His squabbles with publishers and his vicious exploitation
    >>     of those who befriended him continued as before. He began to
    >>     compose detailed fantasies about mystic cults signed 'Frederick of
    >>     Venice', and embarked upon a series of sexual relationships with
    >>     adolescent boys. Don Renato appeared in 1909, but was immediately
    >>     suppressed. The Weird of the Wanderer, the last novel published in
    >>     his lifetime, was brought out in 1912 in collaboration with Harry
    >>     Pirie-Gordon. Rolfe then established residence at the Albergo
    >>     Cavaletto, where he died of a stroke on 26 October 1913. He was
    >>     unmarried, and his Venetian will left his estate to his brother,
    >>     Alfred, a schoolteacher in Australia, who was unable to claim it
    >>     for fear of creditors. The estate, consisting mostly of
    >>     'incriminating' letters, photos, and manuscripts, was confiscated
    >>     by the British consul, and most of it was destroyed. Rolfe was
    >>     buried on 30 October 1913 in a pauper's grave in San Michele
    >>     cemetery, Venice, where he was re-interred in 1924. His last
    >>     novel, a homoerotic fantasy, The Desire and the Pursuit of the
    >>     Whole, was published in 1934 to critical acclaim.
    >>
    >>     David Bradshaw [DNB]
    >
    > Rolfe also claimed to have been adopted by the Duchess of
    > Sforza-Cesarini--Durrell would have liked that name.  So would Pynchon.
    >
    > /Hadrian the Seventh/ is a marvelous little fantasy novel--fantasy in
    > the sense that it is Rolfe's own projection of how the priest he never
    > could be finds himself suddenly tapped by the College of Cardinals and
    > rising from obscurity to the Papacy.  Hilarious and moving, perhaps both
    > at times, especially when Rolfe did not intend.
    >
    > Corvo's /Chronicles of the House of Borgias/ is something that I imagine
    > Durrell reading.  That would be fit since Corvo himself was a magpie who
    > liked taking up and making off with other folks' shiny prose and shiny
    > coins.
    >
    > 
    > http://books.google.com/books?id=p7gNAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1&dq=inauthor:frederick+inauthor:rolfe&as_brr=1#PPR3,M1 
    >
    >
    > And Symons's /Quest/, as Michael and Bill have said, is simply
    > unavoidable for anyone interested in twentieth-century biography as a
    > prose art.
    >
    > http://www.studiocleo.com/librarie/rolfe/corvorolfe.html
    > http://www.studiocleo.com/librarie/rolfe/bibliography.html
    > http://www.giovannidallorto.com/saggistoria/rolfe/rolfe.html
    >
    > -- 
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    > Department of English
    > Wake Forest University
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    > Message: 18
    > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:00:12 +0100
    > From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    > Subject: [ilds] ugly women
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > We are told in these opening pages of Bitter Lemons of 'the unfolding
    > of the Cyprus tragedy' (page 11) and, perhaps not unconnectedly, that
    > the women are 'Very ugly ... Very ugly indeed' (page 17).  Later we are
    > told (page 103) about 'Sir Harry meditating on the double-sexed
    > Aphrodite whose priests wore beards and whose worshippers inverted
    > their dress -- and wondering whether the extraordinary number of
    > hermaphrodites on Cyprus did not betoken some forgotten race, bred for
    > the service of the temple'.  Perhaps this explains much.  No numinous
    > women for a start, only bearded EOKA terrorists.  The ugliness of
    > Cypriot women, and the prevalence of hermaphroditism on the island,
    > seem to be key themes in the Cyprus tragedy and deserving our
    > discussion on this list.  Contributions by hermaphrodites and those of
    > forgotten race would be especially welcome.
    >
    > :Michael
    >
    >
    >
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    >
    > Message: 19
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:14:15 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Message-ID: <468DB387.7090305 at wfu.edu>
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    >
    > Has anyone ever put forward a claim that Durrell's poetry from the
    > 1950s--/The Tree of Idleness/ &c.--is his strongest verse?
    >
    > ***
    >
    >            Durrell, Lawrence:  A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE [from Collected
    >            Poems: 1931-1974 (1985), Faber and Faber]
    >
    >            Zarian was saying: Florence is youth,
    >            And after it Ravenna, age,
    >            Then Venice, second-childhood.
    >
    >            The pools of burning stone where time
    >            And water, the old siege-masters,
    >            Have run their saps beneath
    >            A thousand saddle-bridges,
    >            Puffed up by marble griffins drinking,
    >
    >            [Page 214 ]
    >
    >            And all set free to float on loops
    >            Of her canals like great intestines
    >            Now snapped off like a berg to float,
    >            Where now, like others, you have come alone,
    >            To trap your sunset in a yellow glass,
    >            And watch the silversmith at work
    >            Chasing the famous salver of the bay ...
    >
    >            Here sense dissolves, combines to print only
    >            These bitten choirs of stone on water,
    >            To the rumble of old cloth bells,
    >            The cadging of confetti pigeons,
    >            A boatman singing from his long black coffin ...
    >
    >            To all that has been said before
    >            You can add nothing, only that here,
    >            Thick as a brushstroke sleep has laid
    >            Its fleecy unconcern on every visage,
    >
    >            At the bottom of every soul a spoonful of sleep.
    >
    >            1955/1950
    >
    >
    >
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    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:18:45 -0400
    > From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > Message: 21
    > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:29:59 +0100
    > From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > Yes, you.
    >
    > :Michael
    >
    >
    > On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 04:14  am, slighcl wrote:
    >
    >> Has anyone ever put forward a claim that Durrell's poetry from the
    >> 1950s--The Tree of Idleness &c.--is his strongest verse?
    >>
    >> ***
    >>
    >> Durrell, Lawrence:? A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE [from Collected Poems:
    >> 1931-1974 (1985), Faber and Faber]
    >>
    >> Zarian was saying: Florence is youth,
    >> And after it Ravenna, age,
    >> Then Venice, second-childhood.
    >>
    >> The pools of burning stone where time
    >> And water, the old siege-masters,
    >> Have run their saps beneath
    >> A thousand saddle-bridges,
    >> Puffed up by marble griffins drinking,
    >>
    >> [Page 214 ]
    >>
    >> And all set free to float on loops
    >> Of her canals like great intestines
    >> Now snapped off like a berg to float,
    >> Where now, like others, you have come alone,
    >> To trap your sunset in a yellow glass,
    >> And watch the silversmith at work
    >> Chasing the famous salver of the bay ...
    >>
    >> Here sense dissolves, combines to print only
    >> These bitten choirs of stone on water,
    >> To the rumble of old cloth bells,
    >> The cadging of confetti pigeons,
    >> A boatman singing from his long black coffin ...
    >>
    >> To all that has been said before
    >> You can add nothing, only that here,
    >> Thick as a brushstroke sleep has laid
    >> Its fleecy unconcern on every visage,
    >>
    >> At the bottom of every soul a spoonful of sleep.
    >>
    >> 1955/1950
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> -- 
    >> **********************
    >> Charles L. Sligh
    >> Department of English
    >> Wake Forest University
    >> slighcl at wfu.edu
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    > Message: 22
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:36:23 -0400
    > From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell's Women
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > Message: 23
    > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:46:32 +0100
    > From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell's Women
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    >>
    >
    > As though SHE has had Darley and done with him.  Nothing left to do but
    > chase her immortal scent off across the plains of Asia in the next
    > book.  Durrell and Miller adored SHE.  And so did Siggy Freud.
    >
    > :Michael
    >
    >>
    >> Yes, Darley is not a strong narrator, nor is he a strong character
    >> within his own narrative. He tells us that he used to write and
    >> publish. He does give lectures. He likes to read in Nessim and
    >> Justine's library. Melissa comes to him, rather than he to her.
    >> Justine like a hunting dog drags him home to Nessim. Now, he sits on
    >> his island and writes about the past -- like a character in H. Ryder
    >> Haggard.
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    > Message: 24
    > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:44:55 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE
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    >
    > On 7/5/2007 11:29 PM, Michael Haag wrote:
    >
    >> Yes, you.
    >>
    >> :Michael
    >>
    >>
    >> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 04:14 am, slighcl wrote:
    >>
    >>     Has anyone ever put forward a claim that Durrell's poetry from the
    >>     1950s--The Tree of Idleness &c.--is his strongest verse?
    >>
    > Okay.  Well I would be of course interested to hear from others.
    > Perhaps I am assuming quite a bit--assuming, that is, that anyone out
    > there reads the poetry as it was set into its original published
    > presentations?
    >
    >
    >
    > Collected and Selected editions are fine and have a certain purpose.
    > But give me /The Tree of Idleness/ late in the afternoon, and I "hear"
    > Durrell there.  Again, perhaps that volume is stronger for me because it
    > presents Durrell at a key conjunction, a special combination of
    > bio-geographical moments (places and people lived and loved) and
    > literary ambition.   But perhaps also because its poems are little
    > staging grounds for the works that would follow post-1955.
    >
    > Charles
    >
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    > Message: 25
    > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:01:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
    > From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
    > Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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    > Well, Michael, my comments aren't welcomed, but that won't stop me.  But 
    > yes, I think you're identified a major trope in Durrellian studies:  the 
    > feminine role in political activism.  It's now plain that Durrell is an 
    > unmitigated sexist:  women who abandon their traditional roles also 
    > abandon their feminine allure.  Look what happened to Justine after she 
    > went off to that kibbutz in Palestine.  She became what?  Some 
    > ill-groomed, grubby chicken plucker.  She cut her hair, butch style.  She 
    > also probably stopped shaving her legs and painting her nails.  She became 
    > so disgusting that LD couldn't bear to describe her in his main narrative. 
    > That's what activism does to women.  Because of EOKA, Aphrodite of Amathus 
    > has fled Cyprus, her birthplace, and left it to the herms, harpies, and 
    > maenads (they're lurking under the flowers).  A prize to anyone who finds 
    > the numinous woman on Cyprus, circa 1953.
    >
    > Bruce
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    >>From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
    >>Sent: Jul 5, 2007 8:00 PM
    >>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    >>Subject: [ilds] ugly women
    >>
    >>We are told in these opening pages of Bitter Lemons of 'the unfolding
    >>of the Cyprus tragedy' (page 11) and, perhaps not unconnectedly, that
    >>the women are 'Very ugly ... Very ugly indeed' (page 17).  Later we are
    >>told (page 103) about 'Sir Harry meditating on the double-sexed
    >>Aphrodite whose priests wore beards and whose worshippers inverted
    >>their dress -- and wondering whether the extraordinary number of
    >>hermaphrodites on Cyprus did not betoken some forgotten race, bred for
    >>the service of the temple'.  Perhaps this explains much.  No numinous
    >>women for a start, only bearded EOKA terrorists.  The ugliness of
    >>Cypriot women, and the prevalence of hermaphroditism on the island,
    >>seem to be key themes in the Cyprus tragedy and deserving our
    >>discussion on this list.  Contributions by hermaphrodites and those of
    >>forgotten race would be especially welcome.
    >>
    >>:Michael
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    > Message: 26
    > Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:01:33 -0400
    > From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
    > Subject: [ilds] RG Bitter Lemons -- Meet Bob Montgomery
    > To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
    > Message-ID: <468DBE9D.8040101 at wfu.edu>
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    >
    > Meet Bob Montgomery.  He lived on Cyprus in the 1950s.  I rather like
    > his old photos of all of these Durrellian locales in the
    > 1950s--especially since Bob took these shots right before or in the
    > moment that Durrell was writing them up for /Bitter Lemons/ and making
    > them "Durrellian."
    >
    >        http://home.clara.net/bobmonty/index.html
    >
    >
    > Go read Bob's "A different time, a different place" essay and see all of
    > his old photos.
    >
    > Here is something Bob meant as a prose disclaimer but which reads as a
    > little poem.
    >
    >>             This final part contains the remainder of my pictures.
    >>             Thus the answer to the question "Do I have any more ? "
    >>             is  No.
    >>             Some of these seem more interesting than others.
    >>             There are pictures I do not remember taking.
    >>             Some I can only guess what they show.
    >>             And there are others I have absolutely no idea about.
    >>
    >
    > I say thank you, Bob.
    >
    > Charles
    >
    > ***
    >
    >        http://home.clara.net/bobmonty/cyprus55/cyprus55/cyprus55.HTM
    >
    >
    > Kyrenia Harbour
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > The Morris Minor
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Kyrenia Mountains
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Dome Hotel (back)
    >
    >
    >
    > Bellapais
    >
    >
    >
    > -- 
    > **********************
    > Charles L. Sligh
    > Department of English
    > Wake Forest University
    > slighcl at wfu.edu
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