[ilds] ugly women

Bruce Redwine bredwine1968 at earthlink.net
Fri Jul 6 10:14:14 PDT 2007


Interesting.  Not to get too technical, but is a hermaphrodite a woman?  The job description require a "numinous woman," not half a woman.

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>Sent: Jul 6, 2007 7:38 AM
>To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
>
>The hermaphrodites of Cyprus meet three out of four of those points.  I 
>am excluding number one, ie beautiful, but then I do not know that; 
>Durrell does not specifically say whether the hermaphrodites of Cyprus 
>are beautiful or not.  I suppose it is a matter of taste, of which the 
>Cypriots themselves are the best judges.
>
>:Michael
>
>
>On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 03:09  pm, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>
>> Well, "in passing" doesn't count either.  M. M. Drake can't qualify as 
>> a numinous woman.  A few guidelines should be laid down for the 
>> "numinous woman."  I suggested that she be
>>
>> 1.  beautiful
>> 2.  elusive
>> 3.  ubiquitous
>> 4.  a "real presence" (G. Steiner).
>>
>> Other qualities welcomed.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>>> Sent: Jul 6, 2007 7:01 AM
>>> To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>> Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
>>>
>>> She gets mentioned in passing.  So does his 'daughter', but no mother
>>> is mentioned -- again, a man on an island with an unexplained little
>>> girl.  He is far more forthcoming about the hermaphrodites.
>>>
>>> :Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:55  pm, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is M. M. Drake in the story?  Numinous women outside the narrative
>>>> don't count.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>>>>> Sent: Jul 6, 2007 6:33 AM
>>>>> To: Richard Pine <richardpin at eircom.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>>>> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
>>>>>
>>>>> But Marie Millington Drake was not a Cypriot.  All Cypriot women are
>>>>> ugly, we are told.  And the island is infested with hermaphrodites,
>>>>> which I do not think Marie was either.
>>>>>
>>>>> :Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 09:15  am, Richard Pine wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marie Millington Drake was, apparently, very beautiful. She was 
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> author of at least 2 (unpublished) novels which are now in the LD
>>>>>> collection
>>>>>> at Carbondale - and she was the deceased muse who prompted his trip
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Sicily - with disastrous literary results, as at least one member 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> group will agree. RP
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 5:01 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, Michael, my comments aren't welcomed, but that won't stop 
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> yes, I think you're identified a major trope in Durrellian 
>>>>>>> studies:
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> feminine role in political activism.  It's now plain that Durrell 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> unmitigated sexist:  women who abandon their traditional roles 
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> abandon their feminine allure.  Look what happened to Justine 
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>> went off to that kibbutz in Palestine.  She became what?  Some
>>>>>>> ill-groomed, grubby chicken plucker.  She cut her hair, butch 
>>>>>>> style.
>>>>>>> She
>>>>>>> also probably stopped shaving her legs and painting her nails.  
>>>>>>> She
>>>>>>> became
>>>>>>> so disgusting that LD couldn't bear to describe her in his main
>>>>>>> narrative.
>>>>>>> That's what activism does to women.  Because of EOKA, Aphrodite of
>>>>>>> Amathus
>>>>>>> has fled Cyprus, her birthplace, and left it to the herms, 
>>>>>>> harpies,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> maenads (they're lurking under the flowers).  A prize to anyone 
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> finds
>>>>>>> the numinous woman on Cyprus, circa 1953.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Jul 5, 2007 8:00 PM
>>>>>>>> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>>>>>>> Subject: [ilds] ugly women
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are told in these opening pages of Bitter Lemons of 'the
>>>>>>>> unfolding
>>>>>>>> of the Cyprus tragedy' (page 11) and, perhaps not unconnectedly,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the women are 'Very ugly ... Very ugly indeed' (page 17).  Later 
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> told (page 103) about 'Sir Harry meditating on the double-sexed
>>>>>>>> Aphrodite whose priests wore beards and whose worshippers 
>>>>>>>> inverted
>>>>>>>> their dress -- and wondering whether the extraordinary number of
>>>>>>>> hermaphrodites on Cyprus did not betoken some forgotten race, 
>>>>>>>> bred
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the service of the temple'.  Perhaps this explains much.  No
>>>>>>>> numinous
>>>>>>>> women for a start, only bearded EOKA terrorists.  The ugliness of
>>>>>>>> Cypriot women, and the prevalence of hermaphroditism on the 
>>>>>>>> island,
>>>>>>>> seem to be key themes in the Cyprus tragedy and deserving our
>>>>>>>> discussion on this list.  Contributions by hermaphrodites and 
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> forgotten race would be especially welcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :Michael
>>>>
>>>>
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