[ilds] ugly women

Bruce Redwine bredwine1968 at earthlink.net
Fri Jul 6 07:09:00 PDT 2007

Well, "in passing" doesn't count either.  M. M. Drake can't qualify as a numinous woman.  A few guidelines should be laid down for the "numinous woman."  I suggested that she be

1.  beautiful
2.  elusive
3.  ubiquitous
4.  a "real presence" (G. Steiner).

Other qualities welcomed.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>Sent: Jul 6, 2007 7:01 AM
>To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
>She gets mentioned in passing.  So does his 'daughter', but no mother 
>is mentioned -- again, a man on an island with an unexplained little 
>girl.  He is far more forthcoming about the hermaphrodites.
>On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:55  pm, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>> Is M. M. Drake in the story?  Numinous women outside the narrative 
>> don't count.
>> Bruce
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>>> Sent: Jul 6, 2007 6:33 AM
>>> To: Richard Pine <richardpin at eircom.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>> Cc: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
>>> But Marie Millington Drake was not a Cypriot.  All Cypriot women are
>>> ugly, we are told.  And the island is infested with hermaphrodites,
>>> which I do not think Marie was either.
>>> :Michael
>>> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 09:15  am, Richard Pine wrote:
>>>> Marie Millington Drake was, apparently, very beautiful. She was also
>>>> the
>>>> author of at least 2 (unpublished) novels which are now in the LD
>>>> collection
>>>> at Carbondale - and she was the deceased muse who prompted his trip 
>>>> to
>>>> Sicily - with disastrous literary results, as at least one member of
>>>> this
>>>> group will agree. RP
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bruce Redwine" <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: <ilds at lists.uvic.ca>
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 5:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
>>>>> Well, Michael, my comments aren't welcomed, but that won't stop me.
>>>>> But
>>>>> yes, I think you're identified a major trope in Durrellian studies:
>>>>> the
>>>>> feminine role in political activism.  It's now plain that Durrell is
>>>>> an
>>>>> unmitigated sexist:  women who abandon their traditional roles also
>>>>> abandon their feminine allure.  Look what happened to Justine after
>>>>> she
>>>>> went off to that kibbutz in Palestine.  She became what?  Some
>>>>> ill-groomed, grubby chicken plucker.  She cut her hair, butch style.
>>>>> She
>>>>> also probably stopped shaving her legs and painting her nails.  She
>>>>> became
>>>>> so disgusting that LD couldn't bear to describe her in his main
>>>>> narrative.
>>>>> That's what activism does to women.  Because of EOKA, Aphrodite of
>>>>> Amathus
>>>>> has fled Cyprus, her birthplace, and left it to the herms, harpies,
>>>>> and
>>>>> maenads (they're lurking under the flowers).  A prize to anyone who
>>>>> finds
>>>>> the numinous woman on Cyprus, circa 1953.
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Jul 5, 2007 8:00 PM
>>>>>> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>>>>> Subject: [ilds] ugly women
>>>>>> We are told in these opening pages of Bitter Lemons of 'the 
>>>>>> unfolding
>>>>>> of the Cyprus tragedy' (page 11) and, perhaps not unconnectedly, 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the women are 'Very ugly ... Very ugly indeed' (page 17).  Later we
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> told (page 103) about 'Sir Harry meditating on the double-sexed
>>>>>> Aphrodite whose priests wore beards and whose worshippers inverted
>>>>>> their dress -- and wondering whether the extraordinary number of
>>>>>> hermaphrodites on Cyprus did not betoken some forgotten race, bred
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the service of the temple'.  Perhaps this explains much.  No 
>>>>>> numinous
>>>>>> women for a start, only bearded EOKA terrorists.  The ugliness of
>>>>>> Cypriot women, and the prevalence of hermaphroditism on the island,
>>>>>> seem to be key themes in the Cyprus tragedy and deserving our
>>>>>> discussion on this list.  Contributions by hermaphrodites and those
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> forgotten race would be especially welcome.
>>>>>> :Michael
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