[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8

Sumantra Nag sumantranag at gmail.com
Fri Jul 6 00:08:45 PDT 2007


On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:50  am, Bruce Redwine wrote

"...Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both ..."

Stendhal has been mentioned somewhere as a "master" for Lawrence Durrell and 
references to the influence of Stendhal on Durrell have cropped up in 
writings whose references I cannot now recall. In particular there is a 
suggestion that Lawrence Durrell valued the practice of "writing fast" as 
Stendhal was reputed to have done.

Any illumination please, on the link between Durrell and Stendhal?

Sumantra

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>   1. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (william godshalk)
>   2. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes (slighcl)
>   3. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes (Michael Haag)
>   4. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of Elizabeth Alicia Maria
>      Lewis (slighcl)
>   5. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of Elizabeth Alicia Maria
>      Lewis (Michael Haag)
>   6. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes (slighcl)
>   7. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes (william godshalk)
>   8. sexism (Michael Haag)
>   9. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- cyprus collector (slighcl)
>  10. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (Bruce Redwine)
>  11. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (Michael Haag)
>  12. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (william godshalk)
>  13. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Corvo (slighcl)
>  14. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- no women? (Bruce Redwine)
>  15. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (william godshalk)
>  16. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge (Bruce Redwine)
>  17. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- more corvo (slighcl)
>  18. ugly women (Michael Haag)
>  19. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE (slighcl)
>  20. Re: ugly women (william godshalk)
>  21. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE (Michael Haag)
>  22. Re: Durrell's Women (william godshalk)
>  23. Re: Durrell's Women (Michael Haag)
>  24. Re: DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE (slighcl)
>  25. Re: ugly women (Bruce Redwine)
>  26. RG Bitter Lemons -- Meet Bob Montgomery (slighcl)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:11:40 -0400
> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
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> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes
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> On 7/5/2007 8:59 PM, slighcl wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>     Lewis, Agnes Smith (1843-1926), Arabic and Syriac scholar and
>>     novelist, was born Agnes Smith on 16 April 1843 in Irvine,
>>     Ayrshire[. . . .]
>>
> Could someone more expert on Anglo-Cypriot relations confirm for me that
> this is "Mrs. Lewis"?
>
> Like Bill, I am looking at a bookdealer's description that tells me
>
>        A Lady's Impressions of Cyprus.
>        Lewis, Mrs. [Agnes, formerly Agnes Smith]
>        Bookseller: Bay Laurel Books
>        (Kent, LON, United Kingdom)     Price: US$ 1869.61
>
>
>        Book Description: Remington & Company, Limited., 1894.
>        Hardcover. Book Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. First
>        edition. 8vo. pp. ix, 346; extending map frontis., 3 plates from
>        sketches; embrowning to endpapers, slight spotting to frontis.
>        and title, occasional pencil annotations, else a very good copy
>        in the original cloth, gilt, a little rubbed. Bookseller
>        Inventory # 000653
>
>
> But given that "Smith" and "Lewis" are not the most distinctive names to
> search out--too many!--I am worried we are at crossed-signals.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Charles
>
> -- 
> **********************
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> Wake Forest University
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:27:16 +0100
> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes
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> Not the same woman.  The author of A Lady's First etc was Elizabeth A M
> Lewis.
>
> :Michael
>
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:18  am, slighcl wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 7/5/2007 8:59 PM, slighcl wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lewis, Agnes Smith (1843?1926), Arabic and Syriac scholar and
>> novelist, was born Agnes Smith on 16 April 1843 in Irvine, Ayrshire[.
>> . . .]
>>
>> Could someone more expert on Anglo-Cypriot relations confirm for me
>> that this is "Mrs. Lewis"?
>>
>> Like Bill, I am looking at a bookdealer's description that tells me
>>
>> A Lady's Impressions of Cyprus.
>> Lewis, Mrs. [Agnes, formerly Agnes Smith]
>> Bookseller: Bay Laurel Books
>> (Kent, LON, United Kingdom) ??? Price: US$ 1869.61
>>
>>
>> Book Description: Remington & Company, Limited., 1894. Hardcover. Book
>> Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. First edition. 8vo. pp. ix, 346;
>> extending map frontis., 3 plates from sketches; embrowning to
>> endpapers, slight spotting to frontis. and title, occasional pencil
>> annotations, else a very good copy in the original cloth, gilt, a
>> little rubbed. Bookseller Inventory # 000653
>>
>>
>> But given that "Smith" and "Lewis" are not the most distinctive names
>> to search out--too many!--I am worried we are at crossed-signals.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> -- 
>> **********************
>> Charles L. Sligh
>> Department of English
>> Wake Forest University
>> slighcl at wfu.edu
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> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of Elizabeth Alicia
> Maria Lewis
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> No.  Wrong Lewis.  In WorldCat I find the following identification:
>
>    Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis
>
>
> And there I went trying to make into Mrs. Lewis an Orientalist scholar
> and founder of schools!
>
> But our Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis really did like Cyprus:
>
>    /The Templars in Cyprus :
>    a dramatic poem/ /
>
>    Friedrich Ludwig Zacharias Werner;  Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis
>    1886
>    English Book Book 262 p. ; 19 cm.
>    London : G. Bell and Sons.
>
>
> Self-correcting,
>
> Charles
>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:32:10 +0100
> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of Elizabeth Alicia
> Maria Lewis
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Probably the source of Durrell's misinformation about the Templars on
> Cyprus.
>
> By the way, Elizabeth David's copy of A Lady's etc recently sold for
> ?460.  A snip.
>
> :Michael
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:24  am, slighcl wrote:
>
>> No.? Wrong Lewis.? In WorldCat I find the following identification:
>>
>> Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis
>>
>>
>> And there I went trying to make into Mrs. Lewis an Orientalist scholar
>> and founder of schools!
>>
>> But our Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis really did like Cyprus:
>>
>> The Templars in Cyprus :
>> a dramatic poem /
>>
>> Friedrich Ludwig Zacharias Werner;? Elizabeth Alicia Maria Lewis
>> 1886
>> English Book Book 262 p. ; 19 cm.
>> London : G. Bell and Sons.
>>
>>
>> Self-correcting,
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> -- 
>> **********************
>> Charles L. Sligh
>> Department of English
>> Wake Forest University
>> slighcl at wfu.edu
>> **********************
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:34:12 -0400
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes
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> On 7/5/2007 9:27 PM, Michael Haag wrote:
>
>> Not the same woman. The author of A Lady's First etc was Elizabeth A M
>> Lewis.
>
> Thanks, Michael.
>
> An interesting instance of how one wrong record could have set me on to
> a false trail.  And that bookshop still is asking for US $2000 after
> misidentifying the author.
>
> Carefully, carefully.
>
> Charles
>
> -- 
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> Charles L. Sligh
> Department of English
> Wake Forest University
> slighcl at wfu.edu
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:38:50 -0400
> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- in praise of agnes
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:48:03 +0100
> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [ilds] sexism
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> A.  Why are so many men interested in Durrell studies, i.e. most of the
> respondents in the discussion group are male?  Is it because they are
> fascinated by Durrell's fantasy women and the world he creates around
> them?   - Anna Lillios
>
>> B.    As a member of the Durrell Society, the intent behind my
>> questioning of male readers' attraction to LD's femme fatales is to
>> figure out, in general, how to expand interest in Durrell studies--by
>> gender, race, age, etc--so that his works will survive through the
>> 21st century.  Every time I travel, I go to bookstores and always look
>> to see if his works are on the shelves.  I was recently in the Midwest
>> and didn't find his books, even at the U. of Iowa Bookstore.  I like
>> Bill's term, "diversity in the marketplace of ideas," but the big
>> question is how to create it.  I think we're beyond feeling "tant
>> pis."  - Anna Lillios
>
> Statement A is a sexist leading question.  Statement B seems to bare no
> relationship to statement A.  The proper answer, as I said before, is
> for women to make a greater contribution.
>
> :Michael
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:50:06 -0400
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- cyprus collector
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Cc: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>, Bill Godshalk
> <godshawl at EMAIL.UC.EDU>
> Message-ID: <468D9FCE.7030802 at wfu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The Cyprus Collector site has many scans of Cyprus-related woodcuts,
> engravings, and maps that might entertain anyone taking up /Bitter 
> Lemons/.
>
> Try this series for some moments after the arrival of the British:
>
>    http://www.cypruscollector.net/ency1.html
>
>
>
>
> Nice mustaches:
>
>
>
>
> And here is a bit of that "Gothic" landscape:
>
>
>
>
>
> And then visit the site itself:
>
>    http://www.cypruscollector.net/
>
>
> Charles
>
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> **********************
> Charles L. Sligh
> Department of English
> Wake Forest University
> slighcl at wfu.edu
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:50:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> "Kubla Khan," l. 1:  "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure dome 
> decree."  The allusion doesn't work for me, unless taken ironically, i.e., 
> the final outcome being anything but.
>
> Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge 
> fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going on 
> here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it a place 
> name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a crow flitting 
> through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the Lord of the Rings?
>
> Bruce
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
>>Sent: Jul 5, 2007 5:37 PM
>>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>Subject: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
>>
>>"Apparently the hotel was to be an echo of Coleridge" (last page of
>>"Towards an Eastern Landfall.")
>>
>>I assume it's the word "Dome" that sets off the echo. But why does
>>Durrell mention it?
>>
>>Bill
>>***************************************
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>>Department of English         *
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:58:03 +0100
> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
> To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Message-ID: <54C0D71E-2B64-11DC-A33D-000393B1149C at btinternet.com>
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> Frederick Rolfe, Baron Corvo, The Quest for Corvo.
>
> :Michael
>
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:50  am, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>
>> "Kubla Khan," l. 1:  "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure
>> dome decree."  The allusion doesn't work for me, unless taken
>> ironically, i.e., the final outcome being anything but.
>>
>> Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge
>> fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going on
>> here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it a
>> place name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a crow
>> flitting through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the Lord of
>> the Rings?
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
>>> Sent: Jul 5, 2007 5:37 PM
>>> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>> Subject: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
>>>
>>> "Apparently the hotel was to be an echo of Coleridge" (last page of
>>> "Towards an Eastern Landfall.")
>>>
>>> I assume it's the word "Dome" that sets off the echo. But why does
>>> Durrell mention it?
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> ***************************************
>>> W. L. Godshalk *
>>> Department of English         *
>>> University of Cincinnati            Stellar disorder  *
>>> Cincinnati OH 45221-0069      *
>>> 513-281-5927
>>> ***************************************
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:56:16 -0400
> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
> To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Message-ID:
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> Bruce, it's a literary allusion which Charlie will explain -- because
> he knows more than I do about Corvo. The New York Review of Books
> Editions will provide you with hardcopy.
>
> Bill
>
>
> At 09:50 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote:
>>"Kubla Khan," l. 1:  "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure
>>dome decree."  The allusion doesn't work for me, unless taken
>>ironically, i.e., the final outcome being anything but.
>>
>>Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge
>>fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going
>>on here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it
>>a place name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a
>>crow flitting through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the
>>Lord of the Rings?
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>> >From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
>> >Sent: Jul 5, 2007 5:37 PM
>> >To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>> >Subject: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
>> >
>> >"Apparently the hotel was to be an echo of Coleridge" (last page of
>> >"Towards an Eastern Landfall.")
>> >
>> >I assume it's the word "Dome" that sets off the echo. But why does
>> >Durrell mention it?
>> >
>> >Bill
>> >***************************************
>> >W. L. Godshalk         *
>> >Department of English         *
>> >University of Cincinnati            Stellar disorder  *
>> >Cincinnati OH 45221-0069      *
>> >513-281-5927
>> >***************************************
>> >
>> >
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>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:59:18 -0400
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Corvo
> To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
> Message-ID: <468DA1F6.5050806 at wfu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On 7/5/2007 9:50 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>
>>
>>Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge 
>>fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going on 
>>here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it a place 
>>name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a crow flitting 
>>through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the Lord of the Rings?
>>
> Durrell is invoking Baron Corvo/Frederick Rolfe, Bruce.
>
> Read as much about and by Corvo as you can.
>
>    http://www.nybooks.com/nyrb/authors/7424
>
>    http://www.nybooks.com/nyrb/book-search?q=symons
>
>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Rolfe
>
>
> The simile, which recalls Hunter Thompson's /Fear and Loathing/ for me,
> is in every way appropriate.  Bats for the batty!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Charles
>
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> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- no women?
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> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
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> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
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> I prefer flying on the back of a corvo.
>
> Bruce
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>>Sent: Jul 5, 2007 6:58 PM
>>To: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
>>
>>Frederick Rolfe, Baron Corvo, The Quest for Corvo.
>>
>>:Michael
>>
>>
>>On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 02:50  am, Bruce Redwine wrote:
>>
>>> "Kubla Khan," l. 1:  "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure
>>> dome decree."  The allusion doesn't work for me, unless taken
>>> ironically, i.e., the final outcome being anything but.
>>>
>>> Another hard nut:  "or on that of a Corvo, flitting like some huge
>>> fruit-bat down these light-bewitched alleys. . . . "  What's going on
>>> here?  Italian "corvo" = crow, raven.  Why the capital C?  Is it a
>>> place name?  Or is Durrell or Stendhal or both on the back of a crow
>>> flitting through the back alleys of Venice, prefiguring the Lord of
>>> the Rings?
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
>>>> Sent: Jul 5, 2007 5:37 PM
>>>> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>>> Subject: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- Coleridge
>>>>
>>>> "Apparently the hotel was to be an echo of Coleridge" (last page of
>>>> "Towards an Eastern Landfall.")
>>>>
>>>> I assume it's the word "Dome" that sets off the echo. But why does
>>>> Durrell mention it?
>>>>
>>>> Bill
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:33:53 -0400
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- more corvo
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> On 7/5/2007 9:56 PM, william godshalk wrote:
>
>>Bruce, it's a literary allusion which Charlie will explain -- because
>>he knows more than I do about Corvo.
>>
> http://www.bouquinerie.com/catalogue/R/images/corvo.jpg
>
> Well, where to begin?  Rolfe/Corvo might be best defined in Durrell's
> words:  he was one of those "/deeply wounded in his sex/."   If he had
> lived beyond his Venice years I can imagine him showing up in
> Alexandria.  He left a broken trail behind him and there was no
> returning.  Alexandria was the perfect climate for a "bankrupt" like him.
>
> I suppose that Durrell is citing Corvo and having the bat-lark because
> Rolfe lived in Venice for a while by mooching and died there
> impoverished and bitterly paranoid after writing /The Desire and Pursuit
> of the Whol/e and his /Venice Letters/.   If you enjoy reading /fin de
> siecle/, Yellow-Bookish prose limning homosexual themes and
> crypto-catholic imagery--and who does not?--then these books might be
> for you.
>
>>     In August 1908 Rolfe left for Venice and never returned, living
>>     out a kind of degenerate and vituperative envoi to his earlier
>>     years. His squabbles with publishers and his vicious exploitation
>>     of those who befriended him continued as before. He began to
>>     compose detailed fantasies about mystic cults signed 'Frederick of
>>     Venice', and embarked upon a series of sexual relationships with
>>     adolescent boys. Don Renato appeared in 1909, but was immediately
>>     suppressed. The Weird of the Wanderer, the last novel published in
>>     his lifetime, was brought out in 1912 in collaboration with Harry
>>     Pirie-Gordon. Rolfe then established residence at the Albergo
>>     Cavaletto, where he died of a stroke on 26 October 1913. He was
>>     unmarried, and his Venetian will left his estate to his brother,
>>     Alfred, a schoolteacher in Australia, who was unable to claim it
>>     for fear of creditors. The estate, consisting mostly of
>>     'incriminating' letters, photos, and manuscripts, was confiscated
>>     by the British consul, and most of it was destroyed. Rolfe was
>>     buried on 30 October 1913 in a pauper's grave in San Michele
>>     cemetery, Venice, where he was re-interred in 1924. His last
>>     novel, a homoerotic fantasy, The Desire and the Pursuit of the
>>     Whole, was published in 1934 to critical acclaim.
>>
>>     David Bradshaw [DNB]
>
> Rolfe also claimed to have been adopted by the Duchess of
> Sforza-Cesarini--Durrell would have liked that name.  So would Pynchon.
>
> /Hadrian the Seventh/ is a marvelous little fantasy novel--fantasy in
> the sense that it is Rolfe's own projection of how the priest he never
> could be finds himself suddenly tapped by the College of Cardinals and
> rising from obscurity to the Papacy.  Hilarious and moving, perhaps both
> at times, especially when Rolfe did not intend.
>
> Corvo's /Chronicles of the House of Borgias/ is something that I imagine
> Durrell reading.  That would be fit since Corvo himself was a magpie who
> liked taking up and making off with other folks' shiny prose and shiny
> coins.
>
> 
> http://books.google.com/books?id=p7gNAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1&dq=inauthor:frederick+inauthor:rolfe&as_brr=1#PPR3,M1
>
>
> And Symons's /Quest/, as Michael and Bill have said, is simply
> unavoidable for anyone interested in twentieth-century biography as a
> prose art.
>
> http://www.studiocleo.com/librarie/rolfe/corvorolfe.html
> http://www.studiocleo.com/librarie/rolfe/bibliography.html
> http://www.giovannidallorto.com/saggistoria/rolfe/rolfe.html
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:00:12 +0100
> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [ilds] ugly women
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> We are told in these opening pages of Bitter Lemons of 'the unfolding
> of the Cyprus tragedy' (page 11) and, perhaps not unconnectedly, that
> the women are 'Very ugly ... Very ugly indeed' (page 17).  Later we are
> told (page 103) about 'Sir Harry meditating on the double-sexed
> Aphrodite whose priests wore beards and whose worshippers inverted
> their dress -- and wondering whether the extraordinary number of
> hermaphrodites on Cyprus did not betoken some forgotten race, bred for
> the service of the temple'.  Perhaps this explains much.  No numinous
> women for a start, only bearded EOKA terrorists.  The ugliness of
> Cypriot women, and the prevalence of hermaphroditism on the island,
> seem to be key themes in the Cyprus tragedy and deserving our
> discussion on this list.  Contributions by hermaphrodites and those of
> forgotten race would be especially welcome.
>
> :Michael
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:14:15 -0400
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Has anyone ever put forward a claim that Durrell's poetry from the
> 1950s--/The Tree of Idleness/ &c.--is his strongest verse?
>
> ***
>
>            Durrell, Lawrence:  A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE [from Collected
>            Poems: 1931-1974 (1985), Faber and Faber]
>
>            Zarian was saying: Florence is youth,
>            And after it Ravenna, age,
>            Then Venice, second-childhood.
>
>            The pools of burning stone where time
>            And water, the old siege-masters,
>            Have run their saps beneath
>            A thousand saddle-bridges,
>            Puffed up by marble griffins drinking,
>
>            [Page 214 ]
>
>            And all set free to float on loops
>            Of her canals like great intestines
>            Now snapped off like a berg to float,
>            Where now, like others, you have come alone,
>            To trap your sunset in a yellow glass,
>            And watch the silversmith at work
>            Chasing the famous salver of the bay ...
>
>            Here sense dissolves, combines to print only
>            These bitten choirs of stone on water,
>            To the rumble of old cloth bells,
>            The cadging of confetti pigeons,
>            A boatman singing from his long black coffin ...
>
>            To all that has been said before
>            You can add nothing, only that here,
>            Thick as a brushstroke sleep has laid
>            Its fleecy unconcern on every visage,
>
>            At the bottom of every soul a spoonful of sleep.
>
>            1955/1950
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:18:45 -0400
> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:29:59 +0100
> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Yes, you.
>
> :Michael
>
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 04:14  am, slighcl wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever put forward a claim that Durrell's poetry from the
>> 1950s--The Tree of Idleness &c.--is his strongest verse?
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Durrell, Lawrence:? A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE [from Collected Poems:
>> 1931-1974 (1985), Faber and Faber]
>>
>> Zarian was saying: Florence is youth,
>> And after it Ravenna, age,
>> Then Venice, second-childhood.
>>
>> The pools of burning stone where time
>> And water, the old siege-masters,
>> Have run their saps beneath
>> A thousand saddle-bridges,
>> Puffed up by marble griffins drinking,
>>
>> [Page 214 ]
>>
>> And all set free to float on loops
>> Of her canals like great intestines
>> Now snapped off like a berg to float,
>> Where now, like others, you have come alone,
>> To trap your sunset in a yellow glass,
>> And watch the silversmith at work
>> Chasing the famous salver of the bay ...
>>
>> Here sense dissolves, combines to print only
>> These bitten choirs of stone on water,
>> To the rumble of old cloth bells,
>> The cadging of confetti pigeons,
>> A boatman singing from his long black coffin ...
>>
>> To all that has been said before
>> You can add nothing, only that here,
>> Thick as a brushstroke sleep has laid
>> Its fleecy unconcern on every visage,
>>
>> At the bottom of every soul a spoonful of sleep.
>>
>> 1955/1950
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> **********************
>> Charles L. Sligh
>> Department of English
>> Wake Forest University
>> slighcl at wfu.edu
>> **********************
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:36:23 -0400
> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell's Women
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:46:32 +0100
> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Durrell's Women
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>
> As though SHE has had Darley and done with him.  Nothing left to do but
> chase her immortal scent off across the plains of Asia in the next
> book.  Durrell and Miller adored SHE.  And so did Siggy Freud.
>
> :Michael
>
>>
>> Yes, Darley is not a strong narrator, nor is he a strong character
>> within his own narrative. He tells us that he used to write and
>> publish. He does give lectures. He likes to read in Nessim and
>> Justine's library. Melissa comes to him, rather than he to her.
>> Justine like a hunting dog drags him home to Nessim. Now, he sits on
>> his island and writes about the past -- like a character in H. Ryder
>> Haggard.
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> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:44:55 -0400
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] DG Bitter Lemons -- A WATER-COLOUR OF VENICE
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>
> On 7/5/2007 11:29 PM, Michael Haag wrote:
>
>> Yes, you.
>>
>> :Michael
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 6, 2007, at 04:14 am, slighcl wrote:
>>
>>     Has anyone ever put forward a claim that Durrell's poetry from the
>>     1950s--The Tree of Idleness &c.--is his strongest verse?
>>
> Okay.  Well I would be of course interested to hear from others.
> Perhaps I am assuming quite a bit--assuming, that is, that anyone out
> there reads the poetry as it was set into its original published
> presentations?
>
>
>
> Collected and Selected editions are fine and have a certain purpose.
> But give me /The Tree of Idleness/ late in the afternoon, and I "hear"
> Durrell there.  Again, perhaps that volume is stronger for me because it
> presents Durrell at a key conjunction, a special combination of
> bio-geographical moments (places and people lived and loved) and
> literary ambition.   But perhaps also because its poems are little
> staging grounds for the works that would follow post-1955.
>
> Charles
>
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> Wake Forest University
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> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:01:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: Bruce Redwine <bredwine1968 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] ugly women
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> Well, Michael, my comments aren't welcomed, but that won't stop me.  But 
> yes, I think you're identified a major trope in Durrellian studies:  the 
> feminine role in political activism.  It's now plain that Durrell is an 
> unmitigated sexist:  women who abandon their traditional roles also 
> abandon their feminine allure.  Look what happened to Justine after she 
> went off to that kibbutz in Palestine.  She became what?  Some 
> ill-groomed, grubby chicken plucker.  She cut her hair, butch style.  She 
> also probably stopped shaving her legs and painting her nails.  She became 
> so disgusting that LD couldn't bear to describe her in his main narrative. 
> That's what activism does to women.  Because of EOKA, Aphrodite of Amathus 
> has fled Cyprus, her birthplace, and left it to the herms, harpies, and 
> maenads (they're lurking under the flowers).  A prize to anyone who finds 
> the numinous woman on Cyprus, circa 1953.
>
> Bruce
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>>Sent: Jul 5, 2007 8:00 PM
>>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>Subject: [ilds] ugly women
>>
>>We are told in these opening pages of Bitter Lemons of 'the unfolding
>>of the Cyprus tragedy' (page 11) and, perhaps not unconnectedly, that
>>the women are 'Very ugly ... Very ugly indeed' (page 17).  Later we are
>>told (page 103) about 'Sir Harry meditating on the double-sexed
>>Aphrodite whose priests wore beards and whose worshippers inverted
>>their dress -- and wondering whether the extraordinary number of
>>hermaphrodites on Cyprus did not betoken some forgotten race, bred for
>>the service of the temple'.  Perhaps this explains much.  No numinous
>>women for a start, only bearded EOKA terrorists.  The ugliness of
>>Cypriot women, and the prevalence of hermaphroditism on the island,
>>seem to be key themes in the Cyprus tragedy and deserving our
>>discussion on this list.  Contributions by hermaphrodites and those of
>>forgotten race would be especially welcome.
>>
>>:Michael
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:01:33 -0400
> From: slighcl <slighcl at wfu.edu>
> Subject: [ilds] RG Bitter Lemons -- Meet Bob Montgomery
> To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Meet Bob Montgomery.  He lived on Cyprus in the 1950s.  I rather like
> his old photos of all of these Durrellian locales in the
> 1950s--especially since Bob took these shots right before or in the
> moment that Durrell was writing them up for /Bitter Lemons/ and making
> them "Durrellian."
>
>        http://home.clara.net/bobmonty/index.html
>
>
> Go read Bob's "A different time, a different place" essay and see all of
> his old photos.
>
> Here is something Bob meant as a prose disclaimer but which reads as a
> little poem.
>
>>             This final part contains the remainder of my pictures.
>>             Thus the answer to the question "Do I have any more ? "
>>             is  No.
>>             Some of these seem more interesting than others.
>>             There are pictures I do not remember taking.
>>             Some I can only guess what they show.
>>             And there are others I have absolutely no idea about.
>>
>
> I say thank you, Bob.
>
> Charles
>
> ***
>
>        http://home.clara.net/bobmonty/cyprus55/cyprus55/cyprus55.HTM
>
>
> Kyrenia Harbour
>
>
>
>
>
> The Morris Minor
>
>
>
>
> Kyrenia Mountains
>
>
>
>
>
> Dome Hotel (back)
>
>
>
> Bellapais
>
>
>
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> Department of English
> Wake Forest University
> slighcl at wfu.edu
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