[ilds] Freud Returns

Marc Piel marcpiel at interdesign.fr
Mon Jul 2 15:07:16 PDT 2007


Ha! Ha! What does that betray???

Bruce Redwine wrote:
> Well, you know, the French can't help it.  Freud must have really been a Frenchman -- that has yet to come in the literature.  All that sex!
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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>>From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
>>Sent: Jul 2, 2007 2:05 PM
>>To: marcpiel at interdesign.fr, ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>Subject: Re: [ilds] Freud Returns
>>
>>Don't be dirty, Marc.
>>
>>:M
>>
>>
>>On Monday, July 2, 2007, at 09:47  pm, Marc Piel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Are you jumping into the bush again????
>>>Marc
>>>
>>>Bruce Redwine wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I haven't read the Scientific American issue on Freud, but, if I may 
>>>>readily jump to conclusions, I suspect the articles have something to 
>>>>do with neurological research proving the "existence" of an 
>>>>unconscious area of the brain.  Which I have no problems with.  But 
>>>>how do scientists brain-scan a myth or find the ghost in the machine? 
>>>> The myth is Freud's invention, not the fact of some unconscious 
>>>>mechanism.  Over the past thirty years, historians of science have 
>>>>criticized and refuted Freud's methodology and explanation for the 
>>>>unconscious.  His whole mythology about repression, as exemplified in 
>>>>"Seduction Theory," has been shown bogus.  Freud offered all kinds of 
>>>>enticing theories, especially so to literary theorists, who are 
>>>>irresistibly attracted to the method -- Freud, after all, was a great 
>>>>storyteller -- but none of these conjectures have ever been proved 
>>>>empirically over the last century.  Of course, Freudian theory also 
>>>>provides a convenient escape mechanism for
>>>
>>>i!
>>>
>>>> ts unprovability, namely, not acknowledging the validity of the 
>>>>theory is evidence of resistance to the theory.  I say no more.
>>>>
>>>>Bruce
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Beatrice Skordili <bskordil at otenet.gr>
>>>>>Sent: Jul 2, 2007 10:20 AM
>>>>>To: ilds at lists.uvic.ca
>>>>>Subject: Re: [ilds] Freud Returns
>>>>>
>>>>>Marc and others,
>>>>>
>>>>>(as promised), the _Scientific American Mind_ in the April/May 2006 
>>>>>issue
>>>>>contains a whole section devoted to Freud. The article I was 
>>>>>thinking about
>>>>>was by Mark Solms and titled "Freud Returns" (28-34).
>>>>>  Also of interest might be Jean Pierre Changeux's _Neuronal Man: The
>>>>>Biology of the Mind_.
>>>>>
>>>>>Happy Readings,
>>>>>
>>>>>Beatrice Skordili
>>>>>
>>>>>
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