[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 67

Sumantra Nag sumantranag at gmail.com
Mon Apr 23 08:42:50 PDT 2007


Is the discussion not going off NOW into channels which are not dealing
sufficiently with the text of _Justine_? And is there a predominance of
exchanges between three commentators with only a few interjections from
other readers??!! But the issue about the duck shoot is relevant and so are
many other very scholarly attempts to follow the trail of meanings in the
text; but sometimes, the exchanges seem to get stuck on single points!!

May I put the following questions, which are general to_Justine_ but also
arise from the reading of Sections 1.1-1.9 where the style of writing for
the rest of the book and most of the AQ, is introduced:

Who are the major literary influences on Durrell's style? It seems from
information exchanged here that he was writing on the script of Justine for
many years, so of course his "own voice" dominates. But the richness of his
language has been compared (or related) to many writers: Lytton Strachey,
the Sitwells, Sir Thomas Browne, De Quincey. And his descriptions have been
compared with those of Dickens. It would be interesting to get some
insights.

Sumantra Nag

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>    3. Re: RG Justine 1.4 -- active reading & Justine (andy)
>    4. Re: the bullshit art of active reading (andy)
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> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:51:32 -0400
> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] the bullshit art of active reading
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> >Andy writes:
> >
> >"absolue proof.  books DO change. after you rip them to pieces.  but as
in
> >bookburning, doesnt that make them more powerful?"
>
>
> No, no, no! I changed after reading Ruthven's book. The book remains
> the same. Same words -- my underlining.
>
> If you burn all the copies of a book -- generally impossible -- you
> have essentially destroyed the book.
>
> Bill
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> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: [ilds] the duck shoot on Lake Mareotis
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> Jamie,
>
> Someone -- I think your wife or Charlie -- told me that you had found
> the source for the duck shoot. This someone thought that the source
> was Lane, Modern Egyptians. But I just checked Lane rather rapidly
> (Table of Contents, Index, and skim -- not letting the book get
> control of me) and didn't find a duck shoot.
>
> If you tell me, I will keep it to myself. Honest. But I'm curious
> because I searched for the source of that damned duck shoot for years
> -- and obviously didn't find it. Recently I began collecting books
> that Durrell used -- and I'd like to get this one.
>
> Bill
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> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:35:07 -0400
> From: "andy" <nampilot at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] RG Justine 1.4 -- active reading & Justine
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> >
> > To me it seems counter-intuitive to say that books actively do
> > anything. Narratives have a contingent reality. That is, if they are
> > not read -- if they are lost in the sands of Egypt -- it is almost as
> > if they do not exist. They certainly don't exist for the humans who
> > do not know of their existence.
> >
> i would offer, for severe criticism, the concept of one universal text.
>
> all books are simply variations thereof.
>
> just check any barn and ignoble shelf.
>
> you've been there, done that.
>
> read it all.
>
> nothing new, after awhile.
>
> why?
>
> one universal text.
>
> quite limited actually.
>
> vary from its central theme, and you are relegated to the dust bins.
>
> before publication.
>
> what will we be writing in ten thousand years?
>
> so the book buried in the sand sings just as loud as clark clifford's
hoax.
>
> books do not have to be read to exist.
>
> they were written.
>
> that is the song.
>
> best to all
>
> nonfeeling bser
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> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:41:43 -0400
> From: "andy" <nampilot at cox.net>
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> > If you burn all the copies of a book -- generally impossible -- you
> > have essentially destroyed the book.
> >
> > Bill
>
> so all the smuggling of banned texts in russia, then germany, then russia
> again, was not worth the lives of those shot in the head for having them
in
> their pants, as an expression of increased value, and the ultimate
> indestructability of the universal text?
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> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:32:48 +0200
> From: Rita <favorita at tiscali.nl>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] RG Justine 1.4 -- active reading & Justine
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> I think it's time to make myself more clear.
> "Never trust the writer, trust the tale (the book) but also never trust
> the reader trust the tale" And why is that? Because there is more in the
> tale then the writer writes with his mind (and pen or typewriter :) )and
> there is more in the tale then the reader can read. That is what I mean
> with the tale/book/novel exists. And as with us it has identity and it
> changes in and with time
> I would say that the AQ is our (the reader's and also the writer's)
> Alexandria.
> To analyze the novel is a mind thing, to read it from the existence of
> the novel is a different thing.
>
> But thinking about a book as a book , it is a book.....
> I know Bill that it gets its meaning when it is related with something
> else, and the purpose of a book is to be read. I know you will answer
> the purpose of the writer who puts his writing in a book and a reader
> who will read it.
>
> Rita
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> >Andy asks: "can books speak without being read?"
> A good, basic question. I have also heard the question asked like
> this: "do books read themselves?"
>
> Even people who affirm in their writing that books do not read
> themselves, will talk as if they do. I am here thinking of Kendall
> Walton in Mimesis as Make-Believe: On the Foundations of the
> Representational Arts.
>
> To me it seems counter-intuitive to say that books actively do
> anything. Narratives have a contingent reality. That is, if they are
> not read -- if they are lost in the sands of Egypt -- it is almost as
> if they do not exist. They certainly don't exist for the humans who
> do not know of their existence.
>
> And, Rita, this is NOT to say that I don't have great pleasure
> reading among my books. I do.
>
> I'm somewhat amazed that no one has brought up audio cassettes. But
> even there, to listen to them you have to activate your CD player.
>
> Bill -- in his library
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