[ilds] ILDS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 53

Sumantra Nag sumantranag at gmail.com
Thu Apr 19 12:12:27 PDT 2007


>From Justine 1.7:

"The solace of such work as I do with brain and heart lies in this - that
only *there,* in the silences of the painter or the writer can reality
be reordered, reworked and made to show its significant side. Our common
actions in reality are simply the sackcloth covering which hides the
cloth-of-gold - the meaning of the pattern."

1. Going through passages such as the one reproduced above, I am reminded of
T.S. Eliot's dedication of _*The Waste Land* _ to Ezra Pound - "il miglior
fabbro "  ("the better craftsman"), a testimony to Pound's editing of The
Waste Land. Would *Justine *and the AQ have benefited from editing by an
artist - I mean a writer who was at least as much of an artist as Durrell
was?  Or is this a pointless conjecture??

2. I have yet to come across a comparison of the AQ with Orhan Pamuk's
*Memories
of a City* on Istanbul. His preoccupation with *huzun *-'...a melancholy
that is communal rather than private...' corresponds in some ways to
Durrell's consciousness about the pervasive spirit of the city in
Alexandria, to which he has variously referred , including 'the
gravitational field which Alexandria threw down...' (Justine 1.9)

Sumantra Nag


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>   1. Re: Justine (Michael Haag)
>   2. Re: RG Justine 1.8 -- Bleistein and Cohen (william godshalk)
>   3. Re: RG Justine 1.8 -- Bleistein and Cohen (Bruce Redwine)
>   4. Re: RG Justine 1.8 -- Bleistein and Cohen (slighcl)
>   5. Re: RG Justine 1.8 -- Bleistein and Cohen (william godshalk)
>   6. Re: RG Justine 1.8 -- sequence? (william godshalk)
>   7. Re: RG Justine -- Jews in Justine (william godshalk)
>   8. Re: Justine (Ken Seigneurie)
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> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:49:52 +0100
> From: Michael Haag <michaelhaag at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Justine
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> And yes, Alexandria, capital of the lives of the characters in the
> book, and capital of memory (the phrase appears right after the
> prostitution booth scene in Justine, but was added late to the
> typescript).
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> :Michael
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> On Wednesday, April 18, 2007, at 08:26  pm, Bruce Redwine wrote:
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> >
> > Durrell's diction does stick out and stick in the mind.? Perhaps
> > "capitally" plays or resonates off "Capital of Memory."? I'm not sure
> > if it appears in the Quartet, but as Michael Haag points out in
> > Alexandria:? City of Memory, the expression appears in a letter
> > Durrell wrote to Miller.? Lot of echoes in Durrell's poetic prose, and
> > a concordance of his oeuvre would be nice.
> >
> > Bruce
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> Subject: Re: [ilds] RG Justine 1.8 -- Bleistein and Cohen
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> On 4/18/2007 6:27 PM, Bruce Redwine wrote:
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> > /We shall have a lot to discuss about that/. -- the Freud epigraph.
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> > Indeed.  And when do we start?  Maybe best it get it out of the way
> > early.
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> Again, I must have learned my techniques as provocateur from Old D, the
> demiurge's advocate himself.   With his control of his readers, he
> perhaps planned the provocation--a bit of bating in the text--in order
> to look down from on high and discern which readers will be left to
> "sink or skim."  God is a Humorist &c. &c.  And how much of this
> business echoes /cher maitre/ Henri M., perhaps more so Tom the Cat.  It
> will all be most revealing, I am certain.
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> Paring my invisible fingernails--
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> CLS
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> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
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> Judaism is recurrent in the AQ. Justine is the Jewish fox, Balthazar
> the Jewish doctor, and so on. If some intrepid soul would make a
> complete catalogue of Jewish references, it would be informative. No
> doubt.
>
> I think it's interesting that it's Melissa who is described as having
> "blue-veined phthisic hands." Durrell's altered quotation is almost a
> throwaway. Indicating what?  That Melissa is already ill? But why
> this abortive quotation? Does it suggest that Melissa is in some ways
> like Princess Volupine? That the narrator is like the naive Burbank?
>
> And that "etc." -- what is its meaning? Is it another voice of
> silence? Or does Durrell suggest that we should take the rest of
> Eliot's poem into account?
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> WLG
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> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] RG Justine 1.8 -- sequence?
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> Charkie,
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> Don't you have some questions on sequence that you'd like to ask?
> Does Darley take instruction from Balthazar before he meets Justine?
> 1.8 It seems so. Later he says that Justine allowed him to join
> Balthazar's little circle.
>
> Memory? Or its lack?
>
> WW
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> From: william godshalk <godshawl at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] RG Justine -- Jews in Justine
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> From: Ken Seigneurie <kseigneurie at lau.edu.lb>
> Subject: Re: [ilds] Justine
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> [ilds] RG Justine 1.1 and 1.2
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> "Capitally, what is this city of ours? " This phrase has been reproduced
> in the discussions.
>
> The use of the word "Capitally" - any comments, please?
>
> Sumantra
>
>      I see no reason not to hear echoes of Durrell's liberal-humanist (i.e.
> not Marxist) criticism of capitalism in this term, i.e. "Capitally, what
> is this city of ours? " = "What is this city of ours in terms of capital?"
> His use of the anti-Semitic topoi around Jewishness fits here as well. These
> echoes will increase and find their full thematization in Clea, revealing,
> in my view, a growing (albeit not full avowed) frustration on Durrell's part
> with the course taken by postwar Britain and the rest of the West.
> Yours,
> Ken Seigneurie
> Assoc. Prof. of English and Comparative Literature
> Lebanese American University - Beirut
> kseigneurie at lau.edu.lb
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