[ilds] [RG 2003 Justine 2]

James Gifford gifford at ualberta.ca
Fri Apr 6 13:30:00 PDT 2007

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From: David Brown <dkbrown at totalise.co.uk>
To: Anna Lillios <lillios at pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: RE: [ILDS] ILDS:  Discussion Group--AQ.  Raper.

As I read Mountolive, their incestuous relationship is quite explicit:

"And then to [Pursewarden's] complete surprise, [Melissa] went on to
describe his sister.  "The blind one - not your wife."... "Yes", said
Pursewarden,"that is her.  That is my sister.".. Pursewarden told her
gravely: "She and I were lovers.  We shall never be able to love other
people." [Melissa] nodded gravely as he spoke of his love and his deliberate
abandoning of it, of his attempt at marriage, of its failure."

David Brown

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From: Julius Raper <jraper at nc.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [ILDS] ILDS:  Discussion Group--AQ.  Redwine.

Yes, about "Purse".  My intuition has often been that it refers to his
relationship with his sister, as an overly protective brother (warden) to
the point of incestuously Checking (that key word!) her sexual development.
But then she, in her lack of sight, probably needed extra protection and
through her neediness no doubt crippled P's anima development and
relationships, making poor broken Melissa his ultimate anima carrier.
By the way, doesn't Darley somewhere also refer to little Justine's
"biscuit"--an effective image that would make for an interesting set of
associations of money/sex/food--likely a natural one for a poor if not
starving artist.
Jack Raper
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Yes, the etymologies help, esp. re "purse."   Thanks, A. J. French.   The
delightful quote from Clea pretty much seals it, Durrell's association of
purse with female sexuality.   As for "Ludwig," the OHG also fits
personality, his combative nature, although I wonder if LD knew this.
Pursewarden say somewhere in AlQ, when filling out a bureaucratic form,
"Protestant, purely in the sense I protest."

Bruce Redwine

In a message dated 7/17/03 6:30:59 PM, lillios at pegasus.cc.ucf.edu writes:

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> From: A.J.French & Christine B. <ajf-cb at t-online.de>
> To: Anna Lillios <lillios at pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ILDS] ILDS: Discussion Group--AQ
> re: purse
> purse comes from the greek "búrsa", which meant 'skin' or 'leather'
> and was used for 'wineskin' and 'bag'. This lead to the Latin "bursa"
> which is actually the origin of the Gaelic word "sporan" (which is
> what the Scots wear in front of their kilts) -- source: Ayto, J.,
> "Dictionary of Word Origins", Bloomsbury
> For it to be used to mean scrotum (which is a pouch or sac) makes
> logical sense.
> LD uses it when he sees the girl Justine diving for tangerines on the
> island (in _CLEA_: "the glimmer of the little white purse between her
> legs") which I think is a delightful, precise and poetic description.
> Not sure if this helps, but Ludwig comes from Old high German "hlut"
> = loud or well-known and "wig" = fight

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